MK-Ultra For Children

Jtucker

Jedi Master
This book ties into the Charlie Red Star thread as the author of that book wrote the forward for this book. Both of them are from Winnipeg with the author of this one, Desta Barnabe, growing up in the current neighbourhood I live in where her experiences happened. I grew up on the other side of the city and attended junior high (middle school) 6 years earlier than her.

I noticed that hoosiermystic's introduction led her to the forum through a Reddit thread on the GATE program, which is what this book is about and how it may have been connected to a spin off MK Ultra program. Since Barnabe published this book last fall, many posts on YT and other social media platforms have picked up on this info. My guess is that, as she recounts it in this book - there were a lot of weird things going on with GATE (Gifted and Talented Education) program in Canada and other countries.

I wouldn't say that the book is exhaustive in its research like Laura or Whitney Webb would do, but she definitely makes a strong case based upon available records from MK-Ultra, Operation Paperclip and especially Ewen Cameron at Mc Gill University.

Ultimately the author gets to the root of all of this with the Tavistock Institute. Even though AI and "credible" sources debunk the fact that former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau had any connection to Tavistock, I think it's a pretty good guess that he espoused those early globalist ideas and that much like the Rockefeller Foundation, he believed that the key to controlling the populace was through early childhood education and removing as much of the family unit, community and religious influences to replace it with government sanctioned belief systems as much as possible. (Caesar confirmed this concept in a C's session - but obviously for the opposite purpose).

The idea that singling out the gifted an talented children to see who might actually have some sort of psychic abilities, or could possibly be used as a military intelligence asset, makes sense to me (Dave Mc Gowan did a lot of work revealing these type of plans). Barnabe goes through the personality inventory categories and how they may play into just what the powers that be might need. She makes an interesting connection to the rise of the GATE program right after Ingo Swann's remote viewing success with the CIA that he recounted in his book, "Penetration". It wasn't released at that time, but according to Swann, his RV sessions occurred then. The success of what Swann saw may have been a strong impetus to seek out new "Swann's" in the public school system.

Mk Ultra for Children

I'll add my experiences with GATE that may not be important, but when I bought this book, it did bring up some memories.

I went to two different elementary schools in Winnipeg. One was more affluent and the other was more working class. The affluent school did seem to value "smart" kids in terms of identifying a certain type of student over others. When I was in grade five, we had the first split class in the school. To use the terms from those days, us "smart" grade fives were in the same class as the "dumb" grade sixes.

Looking back on it, I don't think it had anything to do with the actual education level. Why would we get the same curriculum? It was a social experiment. The low achieving grade sixes were 100% male "tough" guys who completely resented being classified as Grade Fives again (it was their only option other than repeating the last grade). The "smart" kids were almost all overachieving girls with a few of us boys. I remember the girls (us boys didn't want to get beat up by the bigger and tougher 6ers so we kept our mouths shut) feeling very empowered by this new social status and started acting bossy towards the grade six boys.

I don't think the experiment lasted the whole year, because my grade 5 class photo is just us Grade 5's. Our teacher in that class was a very pretty, young liberal woman, and I would guess that whomever came up with the experiment knew that the "bad" Grade six boys might respond better to her.

The next year, that split class didn't exist. Halfway through the year our family moved to a more working class neighbourhood with a school that was basically the, "Blackboard Jungle". Smart kids were on their own. Whomever was the best at hockey or the toughest on the playground ruled (those tough guys still remain some of my closest friends to this day).

When I entered junior high (grades 7-9) we had a new school that was further out from the more working class neighbourhood. It was only three classes per grade, so about 250 kids in total. That was my first memory of the GATE program, or as we called the kids in the program, "Gifties". Obviously, this a very small sample size in a Canadian suburban neighbourhood on the edge of farmland, so not indicative of a larger school from those days. But after reading, "MK Ultra for Children", I did get some memories of that era.

In my grade, there were only a small handful of kids (5, I think) designated as "gifted" - two of them were sisters from India that kept to themselves. The three I remember clearly were over acheivers, and in our world at that time only one of them had any "Street Smarts". My first girlfriend was one of the "Gifted". She was pretty, quick witted and an amazing athlete. Her ringette team was so accomplished, they actually got to go to Moscow in 1983 for an invitational. Going to the Soviet Union in those days was a big deal. Her dad is still working with the Winnipeg Jets, so that situation makes sense with all the Soviet/Russian connections to Manitoba hockey over the years.

Not to be harsh, but her and the other two GATE kids I knew in Junior High weren't all that smart. They were just very hard studying kids with ambition and parents that pushed self-discipline. What Barnabe highlights in her book is that the GATE program in her day (a few years later) was looking for something else. One point that did seem unusual to me, is that my buddy Dean who was a "Gifty", but pretty much just wanted to get ahead in the world, and never ended up in any position of influence, just saw it as a stepping stone. But his brother, John (I won't post his full name here, but if you want to see his CV, just look up Professor Emeritus of Neurosurgery at Duke), was also in the GATE program in High School two years before us. How a working class guy from Winnipeg ends up heading Neurosurgery at Duke for decades is a Super bowl win. Also, it's "neuro" surgery. MK Ultra loves that. No evidence of anything unusual I can find, but an interesting co-incidence.

That being said, where Barnabe grew up is a completely different cultural and religious area than where I grew up. We were in "classic" 70's and 80's pop culture secular suburban landscape. St. Boniface (where she grew up and I've lived for almost 20 years) is still very French Catholic. The Grey Sisters own the Hospital and originally owned all the land here even before it was Canada.

Many people I know who grew up in St. B had religious education. I wouldn't say the Grey Sisters and the Oblate Fathers are particularly mystical, but you can see that Riel's role in Canadian history has a strong connection to prophecy and, for lack of a better term, prairie Metis apocalypse. Riel and most people in his world were educated by the Sisters and the Oblate Fathers. So if there is a "psi" connection between the GATE program and the MK Ultra world, a better harvest would have been found in a very Catholic neighbourhood run by nuns, than the 70's pop culture suburbia of west Winnipeg.

@Laurentien2 - I think we're from the same generation growing up in Canada. I'm wondering if you guys in Quebec had any GATE programs?

I'll add one more recollection from that time, that I don't think is directly related, but was a weird experience. In Grade 9 we all had to take what I think were exhaustive IQ like tests. Very boring and no one knew why we had to take them. Most of my buddies knew they weren't for "marks" so just blew through them and didn't care. I remember thinking, "What a weird series of puzzles to solve". I got into the test and liked it. I actually tried. Not something I did in those days, lol.

A couple of weeks later, me and a very quiet, wall flower type girl, named Jane got called to the principal's officer in the middle of class. Even though I had long hair and a leather jacket, I was pretty well behaved, and hadn't ever been called to the "office". Jane was as quiet and conservative as anyone could be. I remember walking with her to the office and she was holding back tears. I had known her for a few years and knew there was no way she was in trouble.

When we got there, it wasn't any staff from the school that wanted to talk to us, it was a young, aggrerssive man and woman from what I guess was the provincial school board. They wanted to talk to me and Jane about the tests from a few weeks ago. We were the only people that got talked to out of the whole school. None of the GATE kids got called in because I asked my buddy Dean after the interview and he didn't know anything about it (he suspected I got caught smoking lol).

They took me and Jane separately into this little cubicle office in the library and went over the tests with us. At that point, I did actually think we were in trouble for something. The young guy who interviewed me went through the whole test and asked me why I scored so high on every section except the one on spatial relationships. I had no answer. He stated I was bored with school and had a strong imagination (which was true) and that maybe that section didn't interest me, so I didn't try. I told him, no, I actually tried hard on that section, I just couldn't figure it out. He made me take that section again, and I tried even harder thinking I was in some sort of trouble. I scored even lower!

I talked to Jane a few days after that and asked her what they said to her. She said she failed the spatial relationship part of the test and she thought she was in trouble for that. Were these weird IQ tests filtering "spatial relationships"? Now that I think about it, Remote Viewing might need a strong spatial relationship ability. Who knows? Me and Jane apparently didn't have it.

So weird... It wasn't nefarious or mysterious like Desta Barnabe's GATE memories, but it always stuck with me as the most unusual experiences I had in school.

And - I am very spatially incompetent. Even though I work in logistics in a big chocolate factory, I constantly misjudge space - everything seems much smaller than it really is. I can't look at a pot lid in our kitchen and figure out which one it goes with unless physically put it on the pot. My Dad is the same way.

I guess the MK Ultra crew knew their metrics accurately. If I could actually gauge pot lid sizes, I might have been recruited for the CIA ;-)
 
Hello,

I had a look at the amazon link for the book; the summary says:

From the mysterious "Green Group" in her Winnipeg elementary school to unexplained “nap times” and psychic testing with puzzle games, Desta's memories lay dormant for years—until dreams, synchronicities, and buried trauma began surfacing. As she dug into her past, she found a chilling pattern: others in these programs had also reported psychic phenomena, sleep disruption, entity contact, and emotional collapse in adulthood.

I understand that GATE may be relating to Greenbaum:

Session 31 July 1999
A: No. "Green" is an alias, or more accurately, a pseudonym for multiple persons engaged in mind control efforts.

The Greenbaum Speech
But the interesting thing was that she then asked, “What are these things?” They were word perfect — same answers my source had given me. I’ve since repeated that in many parts of the country. I’ve consulted in eleven states and one foreign country, in some cases over the telephone, in some cases in person, in some cases giving the therapist information ahead of time and saying, “Be very careful how you phrase this. Phrase it in these ways so you don’t contaminate.” In other cases not even giving the therapist information ahead of time so they couldn’t.

When you start to find the same highly esoteric information in different states and different countries, from Florida to California, you start to get an idea that there’s something going on that is very large, very well coordinated, with a great deal of communication and sytematicness to what’s happening.
 
It wasn't across all schools for a long time. I think it was a specific window they used. Me and my wife, aunts and family have a long connected history to our past going back to the 17th century in Canada and back to Europe. What Desta is describing was particularly new to the period she's describing. I can say that I don't have any evidence these type of things existed before the midf-70's in western Canada.

Social media took over much easier. I think the key was finding people that could disassociate. The summary gets to the nuts and bolts of her experience, but it's not the key. Reading the book gets you deeper into it. I don't want to represent Winnipeg as some mass MK Ultra experience in the 80's. It wasn't. We lived very normal Canadian middle class lives. Something came in that was weird, but it only appeared in certain specific areas. Once again, targeted.
 
@Laurentien2 - I think we're from the same generation growing up in Canada. I'm wondering if you guys in Quebec had any GATE programs?

Not that I’m aware of but at the time we had our load of MK Ultra research in Quebec as you probably know. It was done under dr. Donald E. Cameron research on mind programming on children, The Duplessis Orphan.

Duplessis Orphans - Wikipedia

https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/mkultra

What come to mind is, can the GATE program be a continuity or application of Cameron research done in Quebec on a specific group, in this case gifted and psychic children?
 
Not that I’m aware of but at the time we had our load of MK Ultra research in Quebec as you probably know. It was done under dr. Donald E. Cameron research on mind programming on children, The Duplessis Orphan.

Duplessis Orphans - Wikipedia

https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/mkultra

What come to mind is, can the GATE program be a continuity or application of Cameron research done in Quebec on a specific group, in this case gifted and psychic children?

That's what the author of the book thinks. Yes, a direct connection to Cameron's research at Mc Gill.
 
I had a look at David E. Cameron, long time ago. It seems that he had something to do with Tavistock but it was very early. From what I know, he was a Scottish and he quickly left for Canada.
 
I had a look at "GATE", and one question came to mind: "what's that stuff?!". The reddits expands in many sub-reddits, with much and much inputs. One is called "the mall world" and people reflect on their dreams who are all similar. One would say "oh, yesterday night I went again to the mall world ...".

Some come up with conclusions that the things they see is "mass consciousness". But I don't know. It has been very triggering for me.

The common element is GATE, as explained by members here, a project for gifted kids. Many people express how they have been enrolled in this [international] concept, from, let's say the 80's up to today, after a sort of IQ selection process that took place straight at the school. Most don't remember their past, namely the activities that they carried on while "on the project", even if this implied a concept such as "raising the IQ". So, overall, the idea is that there may be a hidden layer - basic mkultra component during their "training".

I hope that this is a clear view on the this GATE phenomenon. So, practically speaking, there exist many sub-reddits, whose posts are mostly a picture illustrating "a place". That would be trying to show others where they have "been" in their dreams, because it seems that those "dreams" have a sort of flavour. "Lucid", "para-state".

People are gathering around the fact that they have common dreams, then, and pondering why they all dream the same things.

I did not get something, it's that there is a mention of this Netflix show - "Stranger things" and it's as if this tv show triggered the understanding that those dreams are taking place (a matrix flavour, but it could be worsening the situation too, like a trigger).

If anybody would like to expand on this matter... I found it very "interesting", in the sense that it gathers people (and it has been triggering for me). People feel for their safety, somehow. It's not any more the "reddit" that we know of, "virtue signaling conversations". I see people worried and fascinated by something.
 
I had a look at "GATE", and one question came to mind: "what's that stuff?!". The reddits expands in many sub-reddits, with much and much inputs. One is called "the mall world" and people reflect on their dreams who are all similar. One would say "oh, yesterday night I went again to the mall world ...".

Some come up with conclusions that the things they see is "mass consciousness". But I don't know. It has been very triggering for me.

The common element is GATE, as explained by members here, a project for gifted kids. Many people express how they have been enrolled in this [international] concept, from, let's say the 80's up to today, after a sort of IQ selection process that took place straight at the school. Most don't remember their past, namely the activities that they carried on while "on the project", even if this implied a concept such as "raising the IQ". So, overall, the idea is that there may be a hidden layer - basic mkultra component during their "training".

I hope that this is a clear view on the this GATE phenomenon. So, practically speaking, there exist many sub-reddits, whose posts are mostly a picture illustrating "a place". That would be trying to show others where they have "been" in their dreams, because it seems that those "dreams" have a sort of flavour. "Lucid", "para-state".

People are gathering around the fact that they have common dreams, then, and pondering why they all dream the same things.

I did not get something, it's that there is a mention of this Netflix show - "Stranger things" and it's as if this tv show triggered the understanding that those dreams are taking place (a matrix flavour, but it could be worsening the situation too, like a trigger).

If anybody would like to expand on this matter... I found it very "interesting", in the sense that it gathers people (and it has been triggering for me). People feel for their safety, somehow. It's not any more the "reddit" that we know of, "virtue signaling conversations". I see people worried and fascinated by something.

What you summarized is essentially the root of what the author of the book highlights. I think there are a number of different angles coming to the surface in an almost "Gestalt" way in social media. Reddit is a complex web of Larping, Creepypasta creative writing and outright social engineering. But, there are also a lot of legitimate experiences being recounted by real people - but how the "real" posts are moderated is completely opaque.

Years ago, I was spiraling into Reddit rabbit holes for some of the 411, true crime and mysteries of the forest etc. Because there's zero accountability or verification of any poster, it's really hard to believe anything outside of someone who uses proper technical language from a specific event (time, place and non-creative writing embellishment) is legitimate. Even then, it could still be an intelligence asset or FBI agent posting for some fishing expedition.

"One would say "oh, yesterday night I went again to the mall world ..." Some come up with conclusions that the things they see is "mass consciousness". But I don't know. It has been very triggering for me."

Sorry to hear it's triggering for you.

"Mall World" dreams are probably pretty common for people from our generation that grew up in the 70's and 80's. Suburban North American kids spent a large amount of time in malls for those decades. It's kind of a hard concept to explain, if you didn't live in it. Many of us kids took public transit to malls even at the age of 8 or 9. That was normal. Me and my best friend had a routine to tour through every record section in all the stores and look for albums we didn't have and compare prices. The malls were our world outside of school, family and our neighborhoods.

Nothing unusual outside of some bully older teenager guys with mean words ever happened to anyone I know. I still have weird mall dreams and I haven't gone to a mall for more than a few minutes in more than a decade. I look back on it as superficial consumerism. But, there was social aspect to it for teens to meet. Almost all my memories are really good from those days.

If I compare my dreams to my experiences in malls, all I can say is that both are opposite perceptions of the, "Mall World". My remembered experiences are of delicious smells, nice displays and tons of people. Shop after shop of things I wanted. The amazing lights and mall music. Most of all, record stores full of vinyl.

The mall dreams I've had over the past few years are the opposite. It's usually winter, the malls are almost empty and the stores have nothing I want. Rows of useless stuff and never what I'm looking for. Even when I find the section I want, the exact thing I want, I can't buy it for some reason. It's all very frustrating. I also seem to lose my shoes all the time and the get distracted trying to find them in some section I can't remember how to get to. I also get lost in parking lots.

These dreams, seem to me, to be very indicative of my personal issues. In a nutshell, the magical world of childhood associated with being in a mall, or a big store is contrasted with losing that feeling with the adult knowledge of the world not being like that. The lost shoes, who knows? I've lost my shoes at a party once in my 20's in the winter and it was a real awakening for me.

That being said, the "Gestalt" sudden eruption of GATE memories is unusual, and there is evidence of MK Ultra-like connections. One thing I didn't highlight that Desta Barnabe revealed from her personal experience, is that beyond the "psi" element, GATE was also a profiling program to get obedient people into the right places in Canadian professional society. She experienced this in academia herself.

I think there's a number of different factors involved here.

Stranger Things coming to the forefront of western pop culture may implant/inspire and or reveal these thematic memories in some people. I think everybody (who's not an OP) gains some sort of "critical" awareness at a certain age. Some kids very early, some kids at puberty or right after. That's just my observation. I was a very disassociated "dream" world kid until 6 or 7. My dad was involved in drag racing, and for me to tag along, I had to be critically aware of the dangers of high-powered cars and speed by that age. So I became more focused because I wanted to be in that world.

A few of my friends, I remember thinking, were complete "space cadets" (disassociated by today's standards) until 12 or 13. All that time spent in malls could be re-influenced by new ideas that come up years later when someone looks back on their gaps in memories as children.

But the other factor the C's have brought up is the idea of "psychic projectors" generated by 4th density or bi-density denizens. I think this concept is original to the C's. But it makes a lot of sense. Replacing "mass consciousness" with psychically projected programs or themes now brings in another angle to MK-Ultra memories.

Two concepts I've noticed that popped up in the past few years, that I can't ever remember being a part of the original "wild west" internet of the late 90's early 00's, is the "Back Rooms" and "Tataria Mud flood" mythos. I've had this conversation with a younger co-worker a few times. The "Back Rooms" seems to have fallen off (a crazy sci-fi concept of abandoned 80's malls with infinite spaces), but the "Tataria" concept seems to be growing.

As neither of these concepts seem to have direct strategic implications for current military/political/ideological agendas, I tend to think they originate from a more sophisticated source.

Who knows by whom? Much of what you described from digging into the sub Reddit's feels more like this. No real advantage for this Mk Ultra GATE info being revealed by the powers that be - so where's it suddenly coming from? Much of it is likely legitimate - but why amplify it? Unless there's a long game, we don't see.

I don't think all the dreams of and re-remembered 80's experiences of disassociated adolescents or kids can 100% be attributed to a spinoff MK-Ultra program, GATE or some other "Stranger Things" plan. But, the connections at specific points and places do show something very unusual and possibly something "psi" was going on.

The Montauk Project may be full of misremembered childhood memories, conflated military experiments and sensationalism, but the Camp Hero investigations long after the fact, combined with personal recollections that I've read left evidence of some sort of MK-Ultra like program that worked in certain areas at certain times targeting kids in a very shadowy way.
 
there were a lot of weird things going on with GATE (Gifted and Talented Education) program in Canada and other countries
When we got there, it wasn't any staff from the school that wanted to talk to us, it was a young, aggrerssive man and woman from what I guess was the provincial school board. They wanted to talk to me and Jane about the tests from a few weeks ago.
Were these weird IQ tests filtering "spatial relationships"? Now that I think about it, Remote Viewing might need a strong spatial relationship ability. Who knows? Me and Jane apparently didn't have it.
Thanks for bringing this topic up & sharing your memories Jtucker. Coincidentally not long after reading this thread, Candace Owens in a recent podcast, speaks about Charlie Kirk being in a GATE program, and that she feels it’s a way of (the CIA?) targeting bright young minds, maybe inserting agents/handlers into their lives later on. It’s her episode on the Project Looking Glass:

In the comments on the X thread is another investigative piece on the GATEs program and recruiting for Remote viewing (I haven’t watched that yet).
 
Thanks for bringing this topic up & sharing your memories Jtucker. Coincidentally not long after reading this thread, Candace Owens in a recent podcast, speaks about Charlie Kirk being in a GATE program, and that she feels it’s a way of (the CIA?) targeting bright young minds, maybe inserting agents/handlers into their lives later on. It’s her episode on the Project Looking Glass:

In the comments on the X thread is another investigative piece on the GATEs program and recruiting for Remote viewing (I haven’t watched that yet).
Thanks for the link to the youtube video-

Ive copied and pasted below one of the comments made by someone in reply to this video- I felt it was useful to post -




<< I was in GATE from kindergarten through 12th grade. It followed me through seven schools and two states. The memories all started coming back in fragments over the last two years. In 12th grade I underwent a very suspicious "Marine Corp" recruitment that I did not seek out, and was pulled out of school by this "Marine" recruiter on at least six occasions. I don't remember a thing that happened any of those times. When I started calling the local Marine base and recruitment offices to check on the guy no one had heard of him. As a kid I had four different myringotomy tube insertion surgeries in my ears but the "tubes" would never stay put. I was always in the ENT's office. My parents took me for "diabetes testing" but the stuff they made me drink and the other parts of the process don't match how they actually tested for diabetes. The "hearing tests" they always gave us in schools were the same "hearing tests" I constantly got at the ENT. I was highly telepathic as a kid and that stopped around the time they started doing the ear surgeries. I was constantly getting in trouble in school, had night terrors for 15 years, OBEs, and huge time gaps and time losses throughout. When I woke up in the mornings I felt like I was waking up in a different year, even a different decade. My family system was traumatic so I had no support when something went wrong. They definitely segmented us based on compliance. My grades were bad and I was very neurodivergent despite being gifted and high IQ so I was left unsupported most of the time and often stigmatized or punished. After that I crashed and burned straight into addiction and looped into chronic resource and material instability as a containment protocol, which is what they do with the GATE kids that are marked as non-compliant and non-programmable. They have followed me through adulthood. I know this because I sought help twice from the Dept. of Education for their Voc Rehab program to get funding for college schooling and they sent me on full neuropsych evaluations two times to gain approval just to pay for my tuition. These appointments extended over months and I was never permitted to see the reports. After doing some checking, this is NOT what they normally do to assess someone for school funding and the manner of the testing done in the neuropsych evaluations is NOT what they do normally just to assess for disability (neurodivergent) diagnosis. They were doing something else. There's more I can say but this is the high-level summary. I'll tell you my conclusions: 1. MK Ultra was definitely shunted into the school systems as GATE. 2. It also has connections to Stargate, the SSP, MILAB and the 20 and Back program. I'm certain I was conscripted into one or more of these and age-regressed multiple times. I know that sounds crazy as fuck but I assure you these programs are real and the technology does exist. 3. They are still doing it and if more of us GATE kids start being vocal about our experiences they will work hard to shut us down. The only time my social media accounts were ever straight up taken offline were when I started asking questions about GATE. For context, I've said everything you're not allowed to say on social media. This was the only topic that got me banned.>>
 
Thanks @Jtucker for the post. You sticked your finger on several precise aspects, something I was trying to do. I could thus only emphasize several comments that you made, but I won't do so because it's already written very clearly by you. Thank you.

I find it true that the reddit consists of an additional "layer" for the discussion of an allegedly serious matter. I understand reddit is initially an agency outlet, so that there may be a phenomenon of funneling those conversations, or the whole phenomenon per se. I hope. I indeed stare at a whole community, waking up, and sharing a lot of critical information. I hope it is so, and that it can "pierce" a bubble if there is a manipulation hovering all of it.

Since then, I understood that there is a tv show called "mall world", so that many comments in fact refer to this precisely. Like "stranger thing", a lot of posts seem to specifically refer to "mall world tv show", while others would simply be people "dreaming about the mall". This phenomenon is very striking and reading those posts is an experience in itself, close to what we don here on the forum. I have never watched the "Strange thing" tv show, and don't want to. From my understanding, this tv shows allegedly provides positive glimpses about "the matrix", but I smell a trap and I wouldn't rely on it. That's easy for me, because I have a C metaphysic. But all those fellas don't. They would benefit from knowing about "STO". Praying STO would be a first requirement in the case of trauma-based dissociation, due to ancient programming.

Yeah, I felt very triggered by the things people narrate. To such a huge extent that I feel compelled to accept that the memories are part of me. I don't go hard on that, it just is. But this is highly bugging. Reading those reddits shows that it's not restricted to Canada.

Thank you for your explanations about being a kid, malls, and a natural way of shaping the mind, added to, sometimes, some obscure layers of programming, thus in turns having potential effects on mass consciousness. Quite difficult to untangle, and on reddit, people may be tempted to go black&white, while there is a share of the Psyche which belongs to different origins for the consequence of dreaming of a mall.

But I have to say that I am in awe of the present efforts being built on reddit, the sincerity and the dedication of the posters. There is a lot of suffering, too, and it's painful. Much sadness, and I feel staring at the basic government efforts dedicated to restrain the best potential in ourselves. People as victims, ruined, 20 years later, understanding they have been experimented upon. Again, STO praying comes to mind because it's just a long way, without being in charge of our best selves.
 
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