More animal cruelty

[Lilou]

Some days I just want to say "Dear Mother, please bring a virus that only kills humans" ....oh, wait

"Dear Mother, please bring a virus that kills only...psychopaths!"

 

[Nawd]

I'm so glad I didn't click on that link after reading the comments.

How someone could find that to be ...

akkk!

 

[Aaron r]

Really just lost for words.

 

[LQB]

The earth benefits from a periodic cleansing.

And an Amen to that, sister! Where are those comets?

I agree ... and here's one:


103P/Hartley 2 Closest approach .12 AU on Oct 20. Not very close but we are in its tail from Nov through Jan. Strangely enough this time frame corresponds to Clif's tipping point and months-long emotional release. Check out the trajectory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqa6aQGLjvo&feature=player_embedded

I can't tell from the JPL site what's in it, but the video makes you wonder what might be in it's tail. Watch how long we (earth) fly through it's tail.

 

[Laurentien2]

The earth benefits from a periodic cleansing.

And an Amen to that, sister! Where are those comets?

I agree ... and here's one:


103P/Hartley 2 Closest approach .12 AU on Oct 20. Not very close but we are in its tail from Nov through Jan. Strangely enough this time frame corresponds to Clif's tipping point and months-long emotional release. Check out the trajectory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqa6aQGLjvo&feature=player_embedded

I can't tell from the JPL site what's in it, but the video makes you wonder what might be in it's tail. Watch how long we (earth) fly through it's tail.

Nah! not close enough. Maybe the next one.

 

[Earth Angel]

I did not watch the videoand I will not. I do not want to support them in any way. However, I am wondering when these comets going to come and hit these psychopaths who treats our 2D and 3D friends badly?

 

[anart]

I did not watch the videoand I will not. I do not want to support them in any way. However, I am wondering when these comets going to come and hit these psychopaths who treats our 2D and 3D friends badly?

Well, just for the record, no video was posted! I wouldn't even look at still excerpts - the link posted was to an article that describes the legislation and the videos themselves, which is horrific enough.

 

[D69]

Some days you just want to say "Bring on the comets!"

That would be to easy for them. Let them go through IceAge first and then ..... replay of the cycle.... like , 100 times.
I still have in mind that video of a farm where this sick idiot beated cow with a crowbar or something similar ....

 

[knowledge_of_self]

SO sick!

It makes me so sad and angry that our society is so messed up that we have to pass such laws to prevent these horrific acts.

Bring on the comets indeed!

 

[RedFox]

Some days you just want to say "Bring on the comets!"

So true.

ditto

Yup, I know what you mean.
I couldn't even dream up this stuff in my worst nightmares. :O The human race doesn't have a particularly good record when it comes to 2D creatures, but it seems that the last few years (maybe the last 20-40 years?) that things have got particularly sick and twisted towards them.....and everyone else.
Heck I remember my horror and disgust at discovering just the concept of snuff films years ago.....

No living creature deserves this!

However it happens this planet really does need cleansing. Its soul crushing to behold.....

 

[Guardian]

Well, just for the record, no video was posted! I wouldn't even look at still excerpts - the link posted was to an article that describes the legislation and the videos themselves, which is horrific enough.

AGREED and APPRECIATED Anart!! I've watched way too many CV's frame by frame trying to figure out where they were made and by whom. The images never leave your mind, even when you focus on the backgrounds and try to skip the act.

Most are produced in countries that don't have adequate, if any, animal cruelty laws. Cutting out their US market is just a drop in the bucket...but it's better than nothing since the US is one of the largest markets for CV's

I NEVER thought I'd be seeing myself write these words...but if you get a spare minute, please pat and praise the nasty Republican for pushing this legislation.

Richard Burr
151 Patton Avenue, Suite 204
Asheville, NC 28801
Phone: (828) 350-2437

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

First thought I had is that if someone did a crush video of those people, maybe they'd see what is wrong with this, but then it occurred to me that no they won't. There is no way to truly make them understand the pain they are inflicting, they really are robots. If people think the Terminator is a future scenario, they only need to look around.

Also, I'm confused - why aren't existing animal cruelty laws applicable to these things? Isn't this blatant animal cruelty? I don't understand the need of any additional laws specifically for "crush videos". Also, how would they even enforce this? If you can't identify who is responsible by the video, how can they catch and stop them? On the other hand, there are things they can do if they really wanted to stop it. Mafias, drug cartels, child porn rings, human slavery, illegal organ trades, etc wouldn't exist if there was any real "crackdown" on such things. But as we well know, the politicians and the military industrial complex are creating and using such things, they are fully involved and integrated into this. All this stuff hasn't gone anywhere for only that reason - nobody in power truly wants it gone, they are the ones who create it, use it, and benefit from such depravity.

But if they really want to target these videos, I'd say they need to target the distribution channels - make it illegal to distribute or host such content, that might curb the incentive of making them? Also, you can trace just about anything that's posted online - someone had to upload it, and that IP is always logged and the ISP can tell you who it was, if you're the police. Also, if they really wanted to catch these people, the best way is to infiltrate. Set up a dummy distribution network/chain while keeping tabs on all the people who are producing and submitting this stuff. Then once you have a bunch, bust them all. And then rinse and repeat.

 

[Guardian]

Also, I'm confused - why aren't existing animal cruelty laws applicable to these things?

It's currently illegal to do these horrible things to animals in the US BUT it is NOT currently illegal to distribute and possess crush porn in the US. Thus far, the only video's, mags, etc. which are illegal in the US are child porn.

Isn't this blatant animal cruelty?

Yes

I don't understand the need of any additional laws specifically for "crush videos".

While it is illegal to commit these acts of cruelty in the US, it's not yet illegal to buy the videos, pics, etc. of these acts being committed (presumable in another country) This new legislation is aimed at the market, not the perpetrators...who are for the most part, out of our reach.

Also, how would they even enforce this?

US Customs (and the USPS) would seize the CV "products" as they enter the states when possible. Regional and local law enforcement agencies would be empowered to seize CV "products" that get past Customs and arrest sellers anywhere in the United States.

If you can't identify who is responsible by the video, how can they catch and stop them?

Most often, you can't ...which is why this law is aimed at sales and distribution.

I'd say they need to target the distribution channels - make it illegal to distribute or host such content, that might curb the incentive of making them?

Yup ...that's exactly what the proposed legislation is for.

Also, you can trace just about anything that's posted online - someone had to upload it, and that IP is always logged and the ISP can tell you who it was, if you're the police.

This is a common myth. The truth is that content can easily be uploaded to the Internet completely anonymously if a person knows what s/he is doing. Worthy proxy servers simply do not keep logs...nothing to give the cops if they come knocking.

What you can follow is the MONEY...but to do that (legally) the product has to be illegal. It's not... YET.

Also, if they really wanted to catch these people,

The officials in countries where CV's are created don't want to "catch them," they want to be bribed...and they are.

Obviously, these people have no hearts...they will only stop making CV's when making CV's is no longer profitable.

the best way is to infiltrate.

Not a bad idea...are you volunteering, and do you speak Chinese? ;)

 

[Guardian]

The videos mostly depict women -- with their faces unseen -- stomping helpless animals such as rabbits to death with spiked-heel shoes or with their bare feet. The videos apparently satisfy a sexual fetish for those who produce and watch them, said animal rights activists who supported the new bill.

The perversion and depravity involved in such a video is mind-boggling to anyone with an ounce of empathy for living creatures. It makes me sick to my stomach to know that there are people who produce and enjoy such cruelty. Positively sickening...to say the least.

I was unaware that this sort of thing was made as well. I'm speechless.

Who in the world could even think up such a thing!

Well I'm feeling like an idiot right about now... I should have posted this link months ago. I'm sorry ...sometimes it's hard to keep track of who's involved in what.

http://www.stopcrush.org/

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

It's currently illegal to do these horrible things to animals in the US BUT it is NOT currently illegal to distribute and possess crush porn in the US. Thus far, the only video's, mags, etc. which are illegal in the US are child porn.

Ah, now I get it, thanks.

Also, you can trace just about anything that's posted online - someone had to upload it, and that IP is always logged and the ISP can tell you who it was, if you're the police.

This is a common myth. The truth is that content can easily be uploaded to the Internet completely anonymously if a person knows what s/he is doing. Worthy proxy servers simply do not keep logs...nothing to give the cops if they come knocking.

What you can follow is the MONEY...but to do that (legally) the product has to be illegal. It's not... YET.

Good point, although it's not a myth if the person doesn't know how to use proxies, or doesn't bother, or maybe simply forgets. I'm betting that the psychopaths in question will sometimes slip up for one of those 3 reasons - after all, psychopaths aren't known for being terribly intelligent or having too much foresight or long-term thinking. Their absolute certainty in getting away with it and arrogance makes them not take all the precautions they otherwise would. That whole wishful thinking thing, you know..

The officials in countries where CV's are created don't want to "catch them," they want to be bribed...and they are.

US officials like bribes too! But yeah I mean you can't stop someone from filming something in the privacy of their own home, you only find out about this stuff once they try spreading it around. Killing the money part of it will definitely stop some of them, but not the ones who do it for pure sadistic pleasure - those would require another approach, which is where the infiltration thing may work.

Not a bad idea...are you volunteering, and do you speak Chinese? ;)

I was thinking every country would use its own local law enforcement to do their own infiltration, they just need to agree on a couple things first - like what should or shouldn't be "obviously illegal". But the fact that any country even exists where creating and distributing such things is legal is.. well it's not even shocking, I guess it's just par for the course on this planet.

So when you combine the fact that the PTB benefit from such things and have little incentive to change them, and the totally different laws about it, there is very little that can be done - stop it in one country and the business will pick up in another that still doesn't have the same law on the books, etc. There's no conventional way out, the system is rigged. So I guess that really does leave only one option. Bring on the comets! :)