Music deaths

[Novelis]

Novelis please tell me more about the 7 year cycle or where you heard it from.

Umm... I'm not the guy to ask about this actually, I heard it from someone I know who does reflexology. At the time, I was suffering from numerous ailments, so I asked her what could be the root of the problem. That's when she said that everyone goes through "mini" cycles of 7 years when your physical anatomy itself undergoes major transformations. I got the impression that she didn't really know the underlying reason, just parroting what she has read OSIT.

the 7-year thing has to do with Saturn: 4 periods of 7 years make the 28-year cycle of Saturn. At 28 you get your "Saturn return" (same place in the sky as when you were born). 28 is looked on as the "end of youth", time to redefine yourself, begin the "adult"phase, lose the kid games and outlook.

I had an inkling it was somewhere along those lines...
Haven't looked into the matter myself, and I don't know about the Saturn thing. Sounds plausible I guess.

don't you kids know anything? sorry.

No apologies needed Bholanath, we're all children here. ;)

moonwalker in hell

Huh? Don't get that one, are you drawing parallels between hell and ignorance or something?

 

[brainwave]

And the skin cancer developed shortly after he was interviewed for Rolling Stone by none other than Neil Bush! No kidding (http://www(dot)trinidadandtobagonews.com/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/2778).

He was killed to pave the way for the Reagan/Bush Caribbean Basin Initiative (http://www(dot)bobmarley.com/life/jamaicanpolitics/cbi/)

Don, could you elaborate on that? I went to the bobmarley.com link and it didn't really expound on what you said, Marley being killed to pave the way for the Basin Initiative. I'll look it up as well but I just curious if you know of anything more about it off the top of your head. :)

My parents and their friends believe the CIA was involved in his cancer so this is or was discussed in Jamaica. He did afterall try to make peace between the rival political parties when the violence got really out of hand. The time leading up the 1980 general elections was a crazy. He was diagnosed with cancer that year too. I was 9 years old and I recall leaving school some days and seeing soldiers on the street with guns at the ready because it was so bad. My parents spoke about the US ship off the coast of Port Antonio awaiting the outcome of the elections to decide whether or not to do what they ended up doing in latin america. Everyone on the street knew the violence was being supported by american arming rival political gangs. There were also plots against the government throughout the seventies. Some people (one I know personally) had to be quickly flown to the US by US agents because their role in the plots were discovered.

Some background info on basin initives can be found here and here.

 

[Mr. Premise]

Sure, Beau, off the top of my head the CBI was a Bush-faction CIA inspired "free trade" type plan to make over the Caribbean into a neoliberal, cheap labor area complete with compliant local leaders. The invasion of Granada was a part of this and the problem in Jamaica in the late seventies and around 1980-81 was that the socialist Prime Minister Michael Manley was too close to Castro for the U.S. (Marley was aligned with Manley, I believe).

The CIA then threw their support behind the right of center, Edward Seaga and helped pump a lot of weapons (and cocaine) into Jamaica which had a history of gun battles before elections. That was when Bob Marley was shot by Seaga supporters but miraculously survived ("Rasta don't work for no CIA Rat Race").

Hope that helps.

And the skin cancer developed shortly after he was interviewed for Rolling Stone by none other than Neil Bush! No kidding (http://www(dot)trinidadandtobagonews.com/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/2778).

He was killed to pave the way for the Reagan/Bush Caribbean Basin Initiative (http://www(dot)bobmarley.com/life/jamaicanpolitics/cbi/)

Don, could you elaborate on that? I went to the bobmarley.com link and it didn't really expound on what you said, Marley being killed to pave the way for the Basin Initiative. I'll look it up as well but I just curious if you know of anything more about it off the top of your head. :)

 

[Bholanath]

are you drawing parallels between hell and ignorance or something?

No, I'd seen that Moonwalker had posted from "hell", and thought that was funny! (Also, I'm a kid too, though in my 6th decade.)
Another thing: there was written somewhere that the son of CIA head William Colby had been in Jamaica, possibly even visited the Marley home around the time he developed cancer. You know they've been giving people cancer for a long time. There were some articles in past issues of "Beat" magazine about Marley's death, though I think the jury's still out. I'm currently reading a new (2005) book on Bob by Vivien Goldman titled "Book of Exodus, the Making and Meaning of Bob Marley and the Wailers' Album of the Century" (Time Magazine's designation!), but don't have it with me today, but will see what it says on the cancer subject. Bob was definitely an enormously important political personage, but he wanted to remain a neutral musician during the election and beyond (endorsement-free) however Manley double-crossed Bob and sabotaged his neutrality publicly, but....read the book.

Them crazy, them crazy We gonna chase those crazy
Baldheads out of town Chase those crazy baldheads Out of town

I and I build a cabin I and I plant the corn
Didn't my people before me Slave for this country
Now you look me with a scorn Then you eat up all my corn
We gonna chase those crazy baldheads Chase them crazy
Chase those crazy baldheads out of town

Build your penitentiary, we build your schools Brainwash education to make us the fools
Hate is your reward for our love Telling us of your God above
We gonna chase those crazy Chase those crazy bunkheads
Chase those crazy baldheads out of town

Here comes the conman Coming with his con plan
We won't take no bribe, we got to stay alive
We gonna chase those crazy Chase those crazy baldheads
Chase those crazy baldheads out of town

 

[Guest]

As a follow on from the Bob Marley daeth, I would also mention the death of Peter Tosh, fellow founding member of The Wailers, on...yes...September 11th 1987.

Numbers, eh?

Tosh was a real firebrand, who brought real teeth to reggae music, as well as being a fantastic guitarist. He had many run-ins with "Babylon, Mr Policeman" and there is just something more than a little fishy about this man's demise.

http://en(dot)wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tosh
http://www(dot)nndb.com/people/868/000062682/
http://www(dot)rootzreggae.com/Rootz-Reggae/PeterToshEqualRights.htm
http://www(dot)libtv.com/7MAC/academy/CIA_reggae1.htm

The last link is a five page excerpt from a larger book, which seems quite interesting indeed.

 

[Novelis]

are you drawing parallels between hell and ignorance or something?

No, I'd seen that Moonwalker had posted from "hell", and thought that was funny!

Oh, Oops.
Man, I feel like a silly finger pointer now.
I didn't get it at the time because moonwalker was offline so I didn't see the location, sounded like a weird, obscure dig, that's why I asked.
Yeah, I get it now! Ha ha, H-
*sigh :P
nevermind... Sorry Bholanath.

 

[Beau]

Thanks guys for all the info. That was the first I had heard of Marley being killed off by some alphabet soup agency (gimme a break, i'm still pretty young :) )

 

[ArdVan]

didn't get it at the time because moonwalker was offline so I didn't see the location, sounded like a weird, obscure dig, that's why I asked.

Are you sure you are objective in your explanation? You are offline for me and I can see your location :P

 

[Novelis]

Are you sure you are objective in your explanation? You are offline for me and I can see your location

Doh!
You're right, when I saw Bholanath's post, the reason why he said moonwalker was in hell became clear as day, so I thought there must be an explanation for this. I scanned up the page with a preconceived notion that 'when people go offline the locations must disappear or something', and since I saw several posts with no locations at all and they happened to be offline, I saw what I wanted to see and went along with an assumption that this must be the reason.
Now that you pointed that out, I had another look at the information by the side of the posts, and was flabbergasted that I could've missed the most obvious information just because I wanted to fit my thoughtless assumptions to reality!
It's funny; this is exactly what Laura has been talking about manifested on perhaps the most basic level. I don't know what's wrong with me; but this is relatively "normal" to me.
I was watching Lord of the rings the other day, and I've watched it many times before, but only this time did it click for me why the film was good dramatically! Let me give an example: Gandalf is talking to Frodo about how Sauron could rise again in Bilbo Baggins' house, when Frodo says "Sauron was destroyed!" and in response Gandalf explains "No, Sauron is bound to the ring, as long as the ring exists Sauron's spirit remains" or something like that. Anyway, it occurred to me that these words have heavy implications since middle Earth has been in relative peace until that moment, now the peace and the lives of everyone is threatened! The thing is, that only occurred to me about the 7th time I watched that film! I always maintained a silly assumption that middle Earth has been dealing with threats from Mordor on a continuous basis, and what was happening was nothing dramatic. So Gandalf's words and their implications didn't have the correct dramatic impact on me that it might have had on most people. While watching films with complex multiple meanings I can grasp it easily, but with simple films I often completely miss the point. This is the same with everyday interactions as well; I misrepresent myself so often because of silly assumptions or missing the boat entirely on other people's words and their meanings. Getting myself into sticky situations that I can't possibly explain myself out of.
This isn't relevant to "Music deaths" at all, but Ardvan, you've really hit something in me, thanks, I wonder if I "understand" what's going on in the world AT ALL.
A friend of mine actually calls me "disconnected boy", that means a whole lot more now... :/
On the frontline of a battle field I'd probably face the wrong way! lol

 

[Novelis]

I mentioned Jeff Buckley in one of my last posts, but I recently bought one of his Father's CDs.
Turns out that Jeff's Dad, Tim Buckley, died when he was 28.
I like his lyrics to this song, called Goodbye and Hello:

The antique people are down in the dungeons
Run by machines and afraid of the tax
Their heads in the grave and their hands on their eyes
Hauling their hearts around circular tracks
Pretending forever their masquerade towers
Are not really riddled with widening cracks
And I wave goodbye to iron
And smile hello to the air

O the new children dance ------ I am young
All around the balloons ------ I will live
Swaying by chance ------ I am strong
To the breeze from the moon ------ I can give
Painting the sky ------ you the strange
With the colors of sun ------ seed of day
Freely they fly ------ feel the change
As all become one ------ know the way

The velocity addicts explode on the highways
Ignoring the journey and moving so fast
Their nerves fall apart and they gasp but cant breathe
They run from the cops of the skeleton past
Petrified by tradition in a nightmare they stagger

Into nowhere at all and they look up aghast
And I wave goodbye to speed
And smile hello to a rose

O the new children play ------ I am young
Under the juniper trees ------ I will live
Sky blue or gray ------ I am strong
They continue at ease ------ I can give
Moving so slow ------ you the strange
That serenely they can ------ seed of day
Gracefully grow ------ feel the change
And yes still understand ------ know the way

The king and the queen in their castle of billboards
Sleepwalk down the hallways dragging behind
All their possessions and transient treasures
As they go to worship the electronic shrine
On which is playing the late late commercial
In that hollowest house of the opulent blind
And I wave goodbye to mammon
And smile hello to a stream

O the new children buy ------ I am young
All the world for a song ------ I will live
Without a dime ------ I am strong
To which they belong ------ I can give
Nobody owns ------ you the strange
Anything anywhere ------ seed of day
Everyones grown ------ feel the change
Up so big they can share ------ know the way

The vaudeville generals cavort on the stage
And shatter their audience with submachine guns
And freedom and violence the acrobat clowns
Do a balancing act on the graves of our sons
While the tapdancing emperor sings war is peace
And love the magician disappears in the fun
And I wave goodbye to murder
And smile hello to the rain

O the new children cant ------ I am young
Tell a foe from a friend ------ I will live
Quick to enchant ------ I am strong
And so glad to extend ------ I can give
Handfuls of dawn ------ you the strange
To kaleidoscope men ------ seed of day
Come from beyond ------ feel the change
The great wall of skin ------ know the way

The bloodless husbands are jesters who listen
Like sheep to the shrieks and commands of their wives
And the men who arent men leave the women alone
See them all faking love on a bed made of knives
Afraid to discover or trust in their bodies
And in secret divorce they will never survive
And I wave goodbye to ashes
And smile hello to a girl

O the new children kiss ------ I am young
They are so proud to learn ------ I will live
Womanwood bliss ------ I am strong
And the manfire that burns ------ I can give
Knowing no fear ------ you the strange
They take off their clothes ------ seed of day
Honest and clear ------ feel the change
As a river that flows ------ know the way

The antique people are fading out slowly
Like newspapers flaming in mind suicide
Godless and sexless directionless loons
Their sham sandcastles dissolve in the tide
They put on their deathmasks and compromise daily
The new children will live for the elders have died
And I wave goodbye to america
And smile hello to the world

 

[PopHistorian]

Keeping the thread alive (no pun intended), though this was big news. I saw him perform last year and he was excellent. Very strange that in his suicide note he apparently said he was "a lonely soul," despite having a fiancee, a wedding planned, and children from a prior marriage.

Delp's Death Was Suicide
Updated 14:41 PDT Wed, Mar 14 2007

(Associated Press, Concord, N.H.) The family of Brad Delp, the lead singer for the band Boston, said his death was a suicide.

"He was a man who gave all he had to give to everyone around him, whether family, friends, fans or strangers," the family said in a statement relayed by police Wednesday. "He gave as long as he could, as best he could, and he was very tired. We take comfort in knowing that he is now, at last, at peace."

Delp, 55, died Friday at his Atkinson home. Fiancee Pamela Sullivan found him.

Toxicology tests by the state medical examiner's office showed that Delp committed suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning, said Lt. William Baldwin. Delp also left two notes taped to a door and letters to his family and Sullivan.
Baldwin said police do not know the contents of the letters.

The family's statement said Sullivan, Delp's children and their mother, Delp's ex-wife Micki Delp, were grateful for the sympathy they had received.

Brad Delp joined Boston in the mid-1970s and sang two of its biggest hits, "More than a Feeling" and "Long Time."
Delp had planned to marry Sullivan this summer during a break in a tour with Boston. A lifelong Beatles fan, Delp also played with a tribute band, Beatle Juice.

Beatle Juice performed a benefit last year to help build a new public library in Atkinson, a small town of about 6,000 residents on the Massachusetts border.

The family said last week it planned a private funeral followed by a public memorial to be scheduled later.

 

[Johnno]

Yesterday was the 25th anniversary of the death of Randy Rhoads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Rhoads

 

[PopHistorian]

Can you believe that James Brown went unburied for over two months while legal factions fought over his remains? SNL joke: "James Brown was buried under a tombstone that read simply, "I felt good."

 

[Beau]

Thx Ad

 

[Johnno]

I just learnt that Tony Wilson who started Factory Records died about a week ago.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,,2147392,00.html

I remember the first Factory 12", Blue Monday I bought in my teens, it was different, like much of what Factory did including allowing the songs to belong to the musicians instead of the label.

Anyway, my collection of albums with Mr Wilson's stamp of "good" found their way to my collection. Joy Division's Closer and New Order's Power Corruption and Lies saw me through some hard times. Orchestral Manoeuvers in the Dark albums (who started with Factory but moved to Virgin) were great. Later albums from that cauldron of creativity in the English North at the time.......Chameleons, Stone Roses and the like joined my collection later.

I really didn't know much about Factory or Wilson until I saw 24 hour party people, great movie which took away a lot of the mystique.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274309/