My Particular Health Issues - a few questions to members

Hi Sebastian,

I wouldn't rule out seeing a doctor to find out more.

Apart from what Beau suggested, which are very helpful supplements, I would try some bitter herbs, as this could be related to bile production. I've found Wormwood to be great for digestive issues, especially when you feel nauseated after eating fatty food. It is super bitter, so it isn't easy to drink, but just a small bit with hot water as a tea can do wonders to help digestion.
 
I don't have any localized pain
that would be indicative of gallstones or most other gallbladder related pathologies that im aware of, so im wondering if anyone here has had any experinces that are similar ?

Think it is tricky to always know, especially if this has just started with no real pain issues (to be avoided), thus if it is fats then bile production/flow may fit in there somewhere. So, in line with Beau's mention of enzymes , keyhole discuses the product TUDCA here that you could try (or other enzymes) to test.

keyhole:
That is one of the reasons why detoxification protocols generally focus on three main areas:

1. Increasing toxin clearance from cells and supporting the liver (glutathione, ALA etc)
2. Improving the composition and FLOW of bile (phosphatidylcholine, TUDCA, and cholagogue herbs/bitter herbs to stimulate gallbladder release)
3. "Catching" the waste in the gut to stop it from being reabsorbed - binders.

I wouldn't rule out seeing a doctor to find out more.

Nor would I, and you may need a few professional opinions before resting on a cause.

As for TUDCA, I've this product and cannot report on it as it has not been used yet, however it looks to be a good from studies. I do use enzimes, which help.
 
I'd second the TUDCA - after the first few days of taking it on an empty stomach I noticed distinct relief around my gall bladder (I had no idea until it happened).

You could look at berberine too - it's bitter and helps with digestion, and also helps regulate the tight junctions in the gut. Meaning it reduces leaky gut. Just don't over do it to begin with, as it can make you sleepy if not in fat burning mode.

A few thoughts based on the earlier parts of your thread too:
Near anaphylaxis like reactions – with no warning or apparent trigger, my entire body goes bright red over a period of 2 mins or less (often starting around the hairline and ears and spreading down) and lasts for about 10-15mins before slowly subsiding. My skin during this is unbelievably itchy and hot to the touch. I suspect this is attributable to mast-cell activation syndrome which seems to be quite common with suffers of EDS (again see below). However, this is a new phenomenon and it seems to be getting worse with each attack.
I could be very wrong, but it does sound very similar to a niacin flush. If afterwards you feel cool/colder then it may well be that. Try not taking niacin/nicotinamide and see if it goes away?

I felt generally much better and even my sleep showed minor improvements, but after about a month of this I began to experience a growing sense of constant hunger; it seemed no matter how much I ate I never truly felt full. I was eating 4+ meals a day compared to my usual 1-2; this was soon followed by an intense craving for carbs (this was really quite something else) and an inability to tolerate high fat foods (most of the time eating anything fattier than a stake or burger would cause nausea that would often result in vomiting).
The two issues (hunger and nausea at fat) are likely related. No bile, no fat digestions, no fuel = hunger. Undigested fat = nausea.
Additionally, the levels of iodine you where taking may have nuked your good gut flora - and without good gut flora doing their job, you will be hungry.

As a long shot, this may be helpful for your digestive/brain issues too - I suspect for myself an inflamed brain/vagel nerve and lack of acetylcholine is the primary cause of a 'sluggish liver'/digestive issues (no/faulty signal, no/faulty digestion) and the TUDCA was needed to at least get things moving (it also keeps the small intestine clear of bacterial overgrowth):

I'm up to 60 hours now, so reporting in.

Around 30-40 sessions I started noticing that (for a few hours at least) after sessions that time moved much slower. Tasks at my job went from taking 1 hour down to 10 minutes.
Still having energy/cognitive issues around this number of sessions though, and not being able to do a full session when energy dipped (around 3pm usually), I tried just using the oxygen for a minute. After several days (whenever I felt super tired/brain dead) this started having a positive cumulative result - less energy dips.

So that set me pulling on some threads.
CFS (which I was 'diagnosed' with - or at least matched the diagnostic criteria for at the doctors) seems to have issues with blood flow to the brain, and issues with proper blood flow between the lungs/heart. The later explaining exercise intolerance.
I was still having digestive issues too.

First this video (the little mention of CFS in it was interesting):
Elliot's mention of the vagus nerve needing acetylcholine to function properly, having an inflamed brain reduces this.
Without this working properly you can get many issues, including digestive issues (stomach acid/bile is not released) as well as improper heart co-ordination (anything from tachycardia to not up-regulating the heart when changes blood pressure occur) - which also effects heat/cold tolerance.
So I tried it for a with good results. Incidentally the fat around my waste started disappearing around here.

So an inflamed brain?
Next video:
On a particular bad day (the sort of day that's hard to stay awake) around session 50 I tried the supplements in the video (although I had been taking a bunch anyway). Struggled to the end of the work day, added some d-ribose and got in the HBOT.
Fell instantly asleep, and woke up the end in a completely different state.
My brain and neck had what felt like 0 inflammation - the contrast to 'normal' made me realize just how inflamed my brain has been for a long long time.
Just as an additional note on how much this has been effecting me - my maximum leg press in the gym went from 50kg from the previous weeks, to 90kg from the day after this happened. Nerve signal strength having a large impact on strength.

I haven't been able to fully replicate this massive difference since, but my brains overall inflammation seems to be gradually reducing.

I added back in red/infrared light therapy, specifically to the back of my head/neck as well as korean ginseng for blood flow to the brain - both of which seems to have reduced tired spells (without the need for oxygen), as well as increased exercise tolerance (higher heart rate/faster blood pressure changes) further.
Those where suggested in this video:
 
Hi Sebastian,

What exactly is the issue when you consume fat? Do you get nausea, diarrhea, gut pain, or bloating?

Has it worsened after you have been doing more HBOT? If it has, then it could be that HBOT is enhancing the rate of detoxification of bad stuff from your body, but the liver/excretion pathways are not able to meet the demand.
 
Hey Sebastian,
I am so incredibly sorry for the struggles you are going through, that stuff is so exhausting and profoundly debilitating on every level. I really feel for you.

I am no health expert but am wondering:

Are you aware that lots of people with EDS also have Crohn's Disease?
My daughter has both EDS and Crohn's and suffers the way you have described in terms of meat / fat consumption / has a greater need for carbs because she cannot consume fat. Many of your other symptoms sound almost identical to hers. A lot of symptoms related to autoimmune conditions seem to overlap, but if you haven't already explored Crohn's, it would be worth investigating. Once you get a definitive answer then you know how to deal directly with the issue.


In terms of Keto:

When I read your first post about you fasting - and then commencing carnivore Keto - did you try doing the 'keto adapted' approach to support your body to gradually transition to Keto?... If not, that could have triggered some reactions, even though initially your body seemed to 'improve' from doing Keto.


Anaphylaxis / Meat Allergy linked to TICKS
I was remembering a few years ago hearing about people having serious adverse reactions to red meat and PORK because of tick bites... have you ever been bitten by ticks that you are aware of?


Detailed Gastrointestinal Investigation is SUPER IMPORTANT
My daughter and I went through many years of utter hell before we discovered what was happening to us. I have no words to express my profound distress about how the endless misdiagnoses affected my daughter, who was hospitalised numerous times with chronic severe abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhoea, body/joint pain, etc etc. Then a few years ago she was rushed to hospital / had emergency surgery / part of her digestive system removed / had the rest re-sectioned.

If she had been diagnosed correctly just once, in all the years we struggled to find out what was going on, she would never have had to suffer so terribly physically and mentally... it has done terrible damage to her on so many levels. I can certainly identify with both your parent's profound concern and cannot stress enough how important it is that you push for someone to actively investigate what is going on, on every level possible, including so you can get clarity and the support you deserve.
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Hey Sebastian,
I am so incredibly sorry for the struggles you are going through, that stuff is so exhausting and profoundly debilitating on every level. I really feel for you.

I am no health expert but am wondering:

Are you aware that lots of people with EDS also have Crohn's Disease?
My daughter has both EDS and Crohn's and suffers the way you have described in terms of meat / fat consumption / has a greater need for carbs because she cannot consume fat. Many of your other symptoms sound almost identical to hers. A lot of symptoms related to autoimmune conditions seem to overlap, but if you haven't already explored Crohn's, it would be worth investigating. Once you get a definitive answer then you know how to deal directly with the issue.


In terms of Keto:

When I read your first post about you fasting - and then commencing carnivore Keto - did you try doing the 'keto adapted' approach to support your body to gradually transition to Keto?... If not, that could have triggered some reactions, even though initially your body seemed to 'improve' from doing Keto.


Anaphylaxis / Meat Allergy linked to TICKS
I was remembering a few years ago hearing about people having serious adverse reactions to red meat and PORK because of tick bites... have you ever been bitten by ticks that you are aware of?


Detailed Gastrointestinal Investigation is SUPER IMPORTANT
My daughter and I went through many years of utter hell before we discovered what was happening to us. I have no words to express my profound distress about how the endless misdiagnoses affected my daughter, who was hospitalised numerous times with chronic severe abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhoea, body/joint pain, etc etc. Then a few years ago she was rushed to hospital / had emergency surgery / part of her digestive system removed / had the rest re-sectioned.

If she had been diagnosed correctly just once, in all the years we struggled to find out what was going on, she would never have had to suffer so terribly physically and mentally... it has done terrible damage to her on so many levels. I can certainly identify with both your parent's profound concern and cannot stress enough how important it is that you push for someone to actively investigate what is going on, on every level possible, including so you can get clarity and the support you deserve.
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Hi forest_light,

It really pained me to hear about your daughter, that is truly horrible, i feel truly blessed that I haven’t been in a state that required hospitalisation since I was a very young kid, never mind multiple, i can’t imagine what that would have been like to go through, I wish you and your daughter the very best and I really hope your both doing better now.

I did previously known a little about Crohn's Disease although I was unaware of the association with EDS, so I will definitely have a deeper look.

As for keto, after my fast I just completely transitioned to a carnivore keto approach without any period of adjustment, I think the reason I did this was two fold, one was to avoid the stress that suddenly switching back into glycolysis might have placed on my body and the other was a product of my previous experience with keto, where I had found it quite difficult to slip into a consistent state of ketosis and thought the fast would provide enough momentum so to speak to overcome this. If I was to try going full keto again I would definitely take a more gradual approach.

Although I have no recollection of a tick bite, as a kid we lived for a couple of years in a densely forested part of England renowned for its deer population so ticks where definitely prolific. We were constantly removing them from our cat, often multiple at a time, sometimes multiple times a week, so it is definitely possible I had a bite at some point during those years.
 
Hi Sebastian,

What exactly is the issue when you consume fat? Do you get nausea, diarrhea, gut pain, or bloating?

Has it worsened after you have been doing more HBOT? If it has, then it could be that HBOT is enhancing the rate of detoxification of bad stuff from your body, but the liver/excretion pathways are not able to meet the demand.
Hi Keyhole,

It’s primarily nausea accompanied by a more systemic feeling of being “poisoned” if that makes any sense, unfortunately it’s somewhat hard to articulate.

Although this has been a problem to some degree for a while, I never noticed it getting markedly worse until about 2 weeks ago which is since starting HBOT.
 
Really sorry to hear how much you are suffering Sebastian. My heart goes out to you.

On top of the practical actions suggested, there is also an emotional and spiritual side of this condition that can be explored. For instance, how do you approach and practice meditation, prayer, trauma release, visualisation, breathwork etc.?

I would also invite you to participate more in this forum and network (if you want to), in whatever way you feel like. Just connection itself can be healing.

Best of luck, I pray that you find progress and healing with this situation.
 
Hi forest_light,

It really pained me to hear about your daughter, that is truly horrible, i feel truly blessed that I haven’t been in a state that required hospitalisation since I was a very young kid, never mind multiple, i can’t imagine what that would have been like to go through, I wish you and your daughter the very best and I really hope your both doing better now.

I did previously known a little about Crohn's Disease although I was unaware of the association with EDS, so I will definitely have a deeper look.

As for keto, after my fast I just completely transitioned to a carnivore keto approach without any period of adjustment, I think the reason I did this was two fold, one was to avoid the stress that suddenly switching back into glycolysis might have placed on my body and the other was a product of my previous experience with keto, where I had found it quite difficult to slip into a consistent state of ketosis and thought the fast would provide enough momentum so to speak to overcome this. If I was to try going full keto again I would definitely take a more gradual approach.

Although I have no recollection of a tick bite, as a kid we lived for a couple of years in a densely forested part of England renowned for its deer population so ticks where definitely prolific. We were constantly removing them from our cat, often multiple at a time, sometimes multiple times a week, so it is definitely possible I had a bite at some point during those years.

Thankyou for your compassionate, generous thoughts and wishes Sebastian, I can feel how genuine and heartfelt your words are.

I'm sorry to have shared something so awful about our struggles, I know it can be confronting to hear other people's experiences. I tried very hard to give you the soft version, it was a lot worse than what I have described, but thankfully we have both survived our individual experiences and made progress, though we each chose very different ways of approaching our health issues.

I debated whether to share a broad outline of our experience, rather than just suggest you explore information about Crohn's - however the C's are repeatedly saying we should network and support one another; I felt that while not everyone has the same experience we have been through, I needed to make it very clear that if Crohn's remains undetected/untreated, the consequences have the potential to be utterly devastating in every aspect of your life.

If you seek professional help and discover that you don't have Crohn's, then at least you can knock one more thing off the list. Autoimmune stuff certainly seems to be multifaceted in terms of the way people are afflicted, we each have such unique responses to health issues, and many conditions have overlapping symptoms and factors that affect them, so I can see that this would make things challenging for professionals to diagnose; IMHO this makes it even more important to make sure the people who are supporting you are highly experienced. My daughter is the one who alerted me to the link between Crohn's and EDS (and other things) as she had been online researching and on forums/social media talking with people who were all noticing the link and sharing information about their own experiences/diagnoses. I don't know how much that is actually being acknowledged in the medical profession. I lot of people who have EDS probably don't know they have Crohn's and vice versa, it seems that only now there seems to be a higher prevalence of EDS and more awareness about it.

In terms of Keto, I agree (from personal experience) a more gradual approach could support you better. I didn't do the 'Keto adapted' approach myself, because I was in such unbearable agony, totally beside myself from pain and decided after what I had read on the forum it was definitely worth a shot, so I can appreciate that sometimes we just have do what feels right on an instinctive level. I definitely struggled not doing the adapted approach, but it was nothing in comparison to the ways I had been suffering for decades, my pain levels reduced SO dramatically! Within 3 days of doing Keto, on a pain scale I went from 10/10 to 6/10. The relief was astounding. I have been doing Keto for just over two years now... I have some terrible days / definitely some very mediocre ones partly due to other conditions, but there is a lot more wonderful on every level in my life, and I have this incredible forum to thank for much of that. I pray that you will find a dietary pathway that works for you, one that brings you great relief and healing very very soon.

Something that helped me comprehend issues in connection with extreme pain and nasty symptoms was when I saw something Keyhole posted about Oxalates. I noticed your recent comment about feeling as though you have been poisoned, and like gottathink who mentioned oxalates in an earlier post, I also wondered if you are experiencing the effects of 'oxalate dumping'. There is info in different threads on the forum that you might feel to explore. Keyhole (Elliot) has great presentations on YouTube that are very easy to understand, he explains things really well, so you might want to check those out. Again, the key is to adapt gradually.

I fully back up the wise words of Carl in the post above; the emotional and spiritual aspects of our psyche and spiritual body also need to be honoured, we are multifaceted and very complex beings. Personally, I have also noticed a huge difference in my healing and what is manifesting in my daily life since I moved house, got the internet and was able to become more actively involved in participating in the forum, as well as taking some time daily to speak more consciously and directly with the Universe, through prayer and through holding conscious gratitude. Meditation and the EE breathing program has also made a huge difference.

Sounds like you had an idyllic life in the UK as a child... the forest is my favourite place to be. (Poor kitty, all those ticks!)
Looking forward to hearing how things unfold for you, Sebastian, I feel you definitely have the intelligence and inner wisdom to find a way through this and come out shining. 🌟 🌟 🌟
 
Also have you checked out the information on oxalates and oxalate dumping?

How are your musculoskeletal pain symptoms, I.e shoulders,chest, neck and head?
The reason I ask is that postural problems can contribute to a distortion of the denial sacral system and then you won’t be getting proper sleep or flushing of your brain tissues.
My pain has definetly reduced over the past couple weeks, though unfortunately I've had problems with my neck for as long as i can remember so that is still present.

I've seen many osteopaths over the years and they all implied that although I responded very well at the time, my system was so "loose" that it quickly returned back to its previous state.

I think my diet has always for the most part been relatively moderate in terms of oxalate content, even before i was aware of it.

There is probably a good chance i am dumping now to some degree as since simplifying my diet i have cut out almost all sources other than the small amount contained within white rice.
 
Have you done any supplementing with digestive enzymes to aid digestion? Betaine HCI and milk thistle would seem to be worth trying to see if they can mitigate the nausea. If you've done that, I think it would be prudent to see a doctor. Seems like there is a malfunction somewhere within the digestive process.
I had thought of giving digestive enzymes a try but had let it slip my mind so thank you for reminding me.

I did take betaine a while ago for methylation issues which i now treat with other compounds (methyl b12 and folate), although that was before my current digestive problems surfaced so I might give it another try provided its combination with my current protocol isn't going to swing the pendulum too far the other way so to speak.

i haven't taken milk thistle since i read some of the literature on silymarin's effect on thyroid transporter function, although its not a subject i dug particularly deep into so I'm probably being over cautious.
 
Hi Keyhole,

It’s primarily nausea accompanied by a more systemic feeling of being “poisoned” if that makes any sense, unfortunately it’s somewhat hard to articulate.

Although this has been a problem to some degree for a while, I never noticed it getting markedly worse until about 2 weeks ago which is since starting HBOT.

Ok so i did a little research into this. There are multiple studies demonstrating a protective influence in the liver through enhancing glutathione and the other endogenous antioxidants, as well as reducing cholestasis (back-up of bile acids). It also appears to influence the host microbiome:

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I would guess it has an effect on enzymes in the liver responsible for metabolizing xenobiotic waste, and it certainly appears to increase the phase II enzymes.


With that in mind, if this is happening when you eat fat, then it might be reflective of enhanced output of "toxic bile" (basically bile carrying a large amount of toxins, due to enhanced efficiency of the detoxification system after HBOT).

Saturated fat provides an excellent stimulus for the liver to make and pump out bile. Within bile, conjugated waste products are dumped into to gut. Unfortunately some of them will be reabsorbed if there is nothing to hold/catch them in the gut. After reabsorption, someone has to deal with problem of processing them once again.

In this kind of scenario, the feeling of being poisoned may actually be quite accurate!!

A few things you might want to try immediately:

1. A toxin-binder like activated charcoal. Take about 1/4-1/2 tsp in a large glass of water it away from food by about 2 hours, and experiment to see whether it reduces the "poison" feeling (it usually works wonders). It functions to adsorb the waste products and hold them in the gut, stopping them from being reabsorbed.

2. TUDCA and taurine. Taurine can be taken between 3-5 grams per day along, and TUDCA can be taken anywhere from 1000-2000mg per day (if you can find it). These help the liver to make new bile acids and prevent you from recycling old, "toxic" bile acids.
 
Ok so i did a little research into this. There are multiple studies demonstrating a protective influence in the liver through enhancing glutathione and the other endogenous antioxidants, as well as reducing cholestasis (back-up of bile acids). It also appears to influence the host microbiome:

1-s2.0-S2352345X22000601-fx1_lrg.jpg




I would guess it has an effect on enzymes in the liver responsible for metabolizing xenobiotic waste, and it certainly appears to increase the phase II enzymes.


With that in mind, if this is happening when you eat fat, then it might be reflective of enhanced output of "toxic bile" (basically bile carrying a large amount of toxins, due to enhanced efficiency of the detoxification system after HBOT).

Saturated fat provides an excellent stimulus for the liver to make and pump out bile. Within bile, conjugated waste products are dumped into to gut. Unfortunately some of them will be reabsorbed if there is nothing to hold/catch them in the gut. After reabsorption, someone has to deal with problem of processing them once again.

In this kind of scenario, the feeling of being poisoned may actually be quite accurate!!

A few things you might want to try immediately:

1. A toxin-binder like activated charcoal. Take about 1/4-1/2 tsp in a large glass of water it away from food by about 2 hours, and experiment to see whether it reduces the "poison" feeling (it usually works wonders). It functions to adsorb the waste products and hold them in the gut, stopping them from being reabsorbed.

2. TUDCA and taurine. Taurine can be taken between 3-5 grams per day along, and TUDCA can be taken anywhere from 1000-2000mg per day (if you can find it). These help the liver to make new bile acids and prevent you from recycling old, "toxic" bile acids.
Thank you for looking into this Keyhole,

I will order the activated charcoal and taurine as soon as possible and will try and find a supplier for TUDCA that provides a product of sufficient dose here in Ireland.
 
Hi Sebastian, just thought I'd share about raw honey for gut and overall health, I find it stops the carb cravings too, in a healthier way.

Good quality raw forest honey / honeydew or tree honey is great, although they all have healing properties, natural enzymes and pre- biotics. Plus antibacterial effects, especially Manuka Honey, Heather honey and Sidr honey are very good ... And they all contain some vitamins /minerals too. Depends on the honey and I'm no expert. I know that some folks have an allergy to bee products so it may not suit you.

Also bee pollen, propolis and royal gellee. Propolis is antibacterial as well.
I mix all these things in a drink and it's wonderful, been doing that for years and find it very healing for gut and general health. Not sure if it will help but just thought I'd put it out there. Started with small amounts and built up over time. It's helped my partners health loads too.
 

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