My progress or making haste slowly.

manitoban said:
tom32071 said:
Well, still plugging along. I'm about half way through "Secret History" now, still reading and processing. Lots of info there.

There sure is a lot of info there - to me this book is kind of magical in that every time I read it I see something new that I never paid attention to before. There is always more in Secret History to understand, contemplate and process. Thanks for the update and keep up the good work!

I completely agree, I've just started reading it the second time and wow - it's like a whole new book! I don't know where the idea came from that I should re-read this particular book (DCM knows, I have a whole stack of unread books waiting for me), but this feeling that I should read it right now was so strong that I couldn't 'refuse'. Such an amazing book, thank you Laura once again!
 
Aragorn said:
I don't know where the idea came from that I should re-read this particular book (DCM knows, I have a whole stack of unread books waiting for me), but this feeling that I should read it right now was so strong that I couldn't 'refuse'.

Funny, exactly the same thing happened to me last week, when I had a really strong feeling that I needed to re-read In Search of the Miraculous. I too, have a stack of new books to read, but somehow I felt that could wait, I just had to start ISOTM again. And so far, as has happened with Secret History, I'm seeing a lot of info in this book that I didn't even notice before!
 
Well it's been about 1 1/2 months since my last update. I'm still plugging away although I have slowed down somewhat. I've had some distractions lately but I'm still reading and processing. I have always had a problem with history of any kind, but I'm trying. :halo:
 
tom32071 said:
I have always had a problem with history of any kind, but I'm trying.
That's because we all had those boring classes at school they call history. Maybe if we consider it as "stories of things happenend in the past" rather than "history" maybe it would work :)
 
mkrnhr said:
tom32071 said:
I have always had a problem with history of any kind, but I'm trying.
That's because we all had those boring classes at school they call history. Maybe if we consider it as "stories of things happenend in the past" rather than "history" maybe it would work :)

That's a good idea. Think of it as a long story - with villains working behind the scenes and heroes battling to the end and leaving clues for people who will continue the battle long after they are gone. It's a mystery, an action adventure, a love story and mystifying sci-fi all in one!
 
Yeah, maybe it would help. The problem, I think, is that I don't mind knowing things that happened, I just don't really care when it happened or who did it (for the most part anyhow). What happened is good info, who cares who did it ? He's dead now. Who cares when ? It was back then. Maybe simplistic, but to me the who and the when just doesn't really matter. :evil:
 
tom32071 said:
Yeah, maybe it would help. The problem, I think, is that I don't mind knowing things that happened, I just don't really care when it happened or who did it (for the most part anyhow). What happened is good info, who cares who did it ? He's dead now. Who cares when ? It was back then. Maybe simplistic, but to me the who and the when just doesn't really matter. :evil:

Then think in terms of the Universe's activities. It was, and is, the Universe doing stuff - with some people just falling into 'grooves' and acting through the path of least resistance, while others 'create' life and opportunities, engaging in activities beneficial to others and, from the widest perspective (which includes the STO and STS concept), the Universe.

'People' come and go, but Universe remains. So with that in mind...there's another possibility! :)
 
mkrnhr said:
tom32071 said:
I have always had a problem with history of any kind, but I'm trying.
That's because we all had those boring classes at school they call history. Maybe if we consider it as "stories of things happenend in the past" rather than "history" maybe it would work :)
I believe the teaching of history has been intentionally reduced to the mind-numbing exercise of memorizing dates (and not even the dates of creative works, technological break-throughs, or humanitarian accomplishments). Instead we're taught dates related to legislative bills and wars, placed in a broad perspective that side-steps individual relevance--a formula designed to kill any further interest in the subject.

I've always loved to learn, but all I ever learned in history class was that studying history was b-o-r-i-n-g! But, then I discovered the Cassiopaea site, and the rest is...history :)
 
Hi everyone,

tom32071, I wish you good luck with your reading and your studies.

I have as many people here a very long to-do list, or to be precise, a to-read list. I'm really wondering whether and when I will finish all the items. My schedule includes even reading up to a few books simultaneously (simply cannot wait to finish one :lol:). I noticed, however, that this approach doesn't work very well and isn't very efficient. I should concentrate at one at a time. How do you handle this in general?
For example, 9/11 The Ultimate Truth is still open. I cannot even remember the page last read (it was in summer). I think, I have to re-read the entire book (it amounts only 300 to 400 pages, that's feasible). Four books are unfinished in total presently. :shock: On the other hand, it is definitely fun working through all the material.

Funny, exactly the same thing happened to me last week, when I had a really strong feeling that I needed to re-read In Search of the Miraculous. I too, have a stack of new books to read, but somehow I felt that could wait, I just had to start ISOTM again. And so far, as has happened with Secret History, I'm seeing a lot of info in this book that I didn't even notice before!
The same with me. I'm re-reading currently ISOTM, too. And, what I noticed was that how dense its information is, how many truths it contains. When I read it the first time I could absorb quite many things, but now I recognised its actual depth of information. The first time I took it too literally, I searched for direct representations in the external world. It worked partially, and partially not. What I realised is that G. obviously refers sometimes, albeit not every time, to the symbolic reality of our world. He even pointed out this fact briefly. The very theoretical illustrations seem to be a necessity in order to understand the fundamental principles and dynamics of man and the world we live in.
So what I am trying to say is that I recognised its significance, especially in relation to the present time, by re-reading it. It helped a lot.

EDIT: Replaced 'definitively' with 'definitely'.
 
Sirius said:
I have as many people here a very long to-do list, or to be precise, a to-read list. I'm really wondering whether and when I will finish all the items. My schedule includes even reading up to a few books simultaneously (simply cannot wait to finish one :lol:). I noticed, however, that this approach doesn't work very well and isn't very efficient. I should concentrate at one at a time. How do you handle this in general?

Hi Sirius. If you're a multi-tasker like me, then you just trust yourself, even when you think it's not working. While you're paying attention to your life and studies, your "interest" and a sense of "relevance" can guide you. I think maybe you're already picking up on that.

Otherwise, maybe all you can do is just grab one and make yourself read it until you're finished, OSIT.

The reason multi-tasking works for me is because it generally turns out that all these seemingly "different" subjects are simply 'special ways' of presenting the same general truths.

When you trust in yourself, or in Universe, you may automatically be guided to what you need, when you need it, so that your knowledge can develop in a more exciting way! Maybe that's what's going on with folks on this thread?

If you know anything about computers, imagine a quad-core processor operating on bits of code from various different threads, yet putting out useful fragments of an overall picture that click together when they get close enough to match each other!
 
Laura said:
tom32071 said:
I wrote this recently and thought I'd post it to see if I'm getting the right ideas or not. Sometimes it's difficult to do this when you don't have anyone of a like mind to talk to and bounce ideas off of.

My thoughts/beliefs/ideas; :halo:

There are such things as good and bad/evil and right and wrong. Mostly they are relative. You can do good things for bad reasons and bad things for good reasons. How good or bad or right or wrong something is depends on the motivating idea behind it. Granted there are some things that are totally bad/evil or wrong and some that are totally good or right but the reason or motivation behind it is still important. Everything is not black or white, there are shades of grey.

That comes close, I think. When thinking of someone or something intending evil and it turns out good, I think of the lessons that can be learned by those who interact with such an individual. Like Mephistopheles in Faust who is "he who always intends evil but does good" because people learn from his actions.

That's kind of like what happened with the Vinnie Bridges gang. Their intent was purely to destroy, but we took what they were doing as something we needed to study, to understand, and the result was a whole lot of information about pathology that has helped many people to be able to identify and avoid the actions of such people in their own lives.

So, Vinnie intended evil, but did good.
Mmm but :huh: well, I think it is more like chemical reaction, because you are obviously a Service to Others candidate, and you have said more or less I remember that the service to others beings use what they have in the better way they can, so, I think Vinnie didn't good, but you did because it was like using the fire from some dragon or beast to cook your food or ignite a torch to have some light, so you used your time and intelligence and other things to use his intentions for a better. So yes the bad intention end in a good way but I think it was your nature to learn from that.

Maybe the good intentions end in a bad way because of anticipating the results, so we cancel that option, or maybe because of the wishful thinking of ourselves. Because what could happen if the target of Vinnie was there but no one could learn from that and just get destroyed as Vinnie wanted?

So that’s what I think, I don’t know if I am right either but as Tom that’s what I think.

Laura said:
No kidding! It is REALLY difficult to know what is good and what is evil, or rather, what is STS and what is STO. Sometimes, doing something that is purely STO may look like STS to a viewer on the outside who doesn't have all the data. And, sometimes something may look STO and is really STS. And sometimes, something is STS and is transformed into good by virtue of the individual involved. Like taking lemons and making lemonade.

Yes, it remembers me the article from cassiopedia, the "Three Forces" or something, I think that's the natural flow of things, and really, we can't control every reaction, and that is normal, we can help others to understand some concepts, but as it is good for the people, it is not so good for the lizzies that want to eat and want ignorant people.

Didn't the cass said we can not control others reaction?, for me, that told me a lot because you see that, what you can do is learn, so knowing you could choose in the best way (but want to choose that option it is another story becuz I think depends on the person's nature) and let the things be.

Other thing I have saw is what the cass said about the third density traps. You will never know what is going to happen, because this is a none linear reality lol!!!
 
Bud said:
Hi Sirius. If you're a multi-tasker like me, then you just trust yourself, even when you think it's not working. While you're paying attention to your life and studies, your "interest" and a sense of "relevance" can guide you. I think maybe you're already picking up on that.

Otherwise, maybe all you can do is just grab one and make yourself read it until you're finished, OSIT.

The reason multi-tasking works for me is because it generally turns out that all these seemingly "different" subjects are simply 'special ways' of presenting the same general truths.

When you trust in yourself, or in Universe, you may automatically be guided to what you need, when you need it, so that your knowledge can develop in a more exciting way! Maybe that's what's going on with folks on this thread?

If you know anything about computers, imagine a quad-core processor operating on bits of code from various different threads, yet putting out useful fragments of an overall picture that click together when they get close enough to match each other!

Personally, I've noticed that I often fool my self - or try to justify my actions, in thinking that I need to read a bit from this or that book and move along to read another. Certainly, sometimes a bit of information, e.g. health related, can come at a crucial moment and be very helpful, but most of the time I think I'm 'giving up', seeking more 'entertainment' from another book.

I remember Gurdjieff talking about this resistance when one is reading something that is 'deep'. I might remember this wrong, but I think he meant that one should keep pushing through those tough and very dense text passages (that always make you sleepy!). These lines of text are probably just those that one can benefit the most of, if one can keep pushing. The resistance will dissolve, once you get through.

I've noticed this phenomena more than once in my reading. Nowadays I try to finish what I'm reading, no matter what. There are just too many unfinished books on the shelves, and I regret that I didn't follow this principle earlier!

But we are all different, I'm definitely not a multitasker. Thus the predator seems suggest to me to keep starting to read new books. It knows it will have be 'trapped' in this way. :)
 
I think the most important thing about history is that it can teach you pattern recognition. That is, it can be a tool for living a more effective and abundant life and I'm pretty sure that most people will agree that this is what they want to do. The saying is "those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" or "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it" etc is very true and doubly so if the person does not LEARN history.

This is true from learning the history of individuals, what they did that worked, what they did that failed, what they did that brought disaster on themselves, to expanding the concept to the larger social and even global fields. You can figure out your place in history (current events are just history in the making) and, with sufficient knowledge and a network, might even be able to "shape" the future by knowing the past.

This last is true on the individual scale also. If you are aware of the histories of many individuals, you can extract principles and apply them to yourself and your own life and relationships. You can make predictions and, if you don't like what is obviously coming based on those dynamics, you can possibly change things.

As the Cs once said: "those who have the will of a lion do not suffer the fate of a mouse" and "those who live by the sword don't sleep on the couch"!!!

History ROCKS!
 
Laura said:
This last is true on the individual scale also. If you are aware of the histories of many individuals, you can extract principles and apply them to yourself and your own life and relationships. You can make predictions and, if you don't like what is obviously coming based on those dynamics, you can possibly change things.

As the Cs once said: "those who have the will of a lion do not suffer the fate of a mouse" and "those who live by the sword don't sleep on the couch"!!!

History ROCKS!

Funny how it works, that civilizations and societies rise and fall, everything changes, and yet life on planet Earth, in its miriad forms, has an underlying similarity and follows a subtle line of the same simple concepts of interaction, experiences, emotional attachment, etc. Perhaps, these are the simple karmic understandings C's were talking about. Maybe that's why Gurdgieff emphasized the importance of learning first how to be a good obyvatel'. Esoteric depth may broaden and illuminate the mind, but only the essence of simple life and its human interactions and hardships can penetrate and open the heart.

Wonder if 4D libraries carry a book called All I really need to know I learned in Cosmic kindergarten. :D
 

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