My son - bruises under foot, under knee, on the hand

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henoch%E2%80%93Sch%C3%B6nlein_purpura

wikipedia said:
Schönlein–Henoch purpura)[1] is a disease of the skin and other organs that most commonly affects children. In the skin, the disease causes palpable purpura (small hemorrhages); often with joint and abdominal pain. With kidney involvement, there may be a loss of small amounts of blood and protein in the urine, but this usually goes unnoticed; in a small proportion of cases, the kidney involvement proceeds to chronic kidney disease. HSP is often preceded by an infection, such as pharyngitis.

I'm sorry to hear this...
This not only sounds pretty bad, it looks pretty bad too :( (pictures are available on the wiki page)
but the page even offers some relieving positives like:
from wikipedia said:
Most patients do not receive therapy because of the high spontaneous recovery rate. Steroids are generally avoided

Mikel, do the pictures match the symptoms you've seen on your son?

Were the doctor's conclusions final? As in, it can be nothing else but this Henoch-Schonlein purpura?
 
I have not seen him. I am away from home. Will ask my wife to send me pictures.
 
Mikel said:
Henoch–Schönlein purpura, this is the diagnosis.

Is your kid on the diet? Staying away from all gluten and casein sources is very important! Gluten is not only toxic, but now it has several new proteins that are completely bizarre and a product of industrial engineering.

When you review the disease, keep in mind the IgA thing. In fact, read the following VERY carefully.

Henoch–Schönlein purpura is a small-vessel vasculitis in which complexes of immunoglobulin A (IgA) and complement component 3 (C3) are deposited on arterioles, capillaries, and venules. As with IgA nephropathy, serum levels of IgA are high in HSP and there are identical findings on renal biopsy; however, IgA nephropathy has a predilection for young adults while HSP is more predominant among children. Further, IgA nephropathy typically only affects the kidneys while HSP is a systemic disease. HSP involves the skin and connective tissues, scrotum, joints, gastrointestinal tract and kidneys

Then, check out this from Sayer's gluten article:

The Dark Side of Wheat: New Perspectives on Celiac Disease and Wheat Intolerance

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/dark-side-wheat-new-perspectives-celiac-disease-wheat-intolerance-sayer-ji

[...]It is possible that celiac disease represents both an extreme reaction to a global, species-specific intolerance to wheat that we all share in varying degrees. CD symptoms may reflect the body’s innate intelligence when faced with the consumption of a substance that is inherently toxic. Let me illustrate this point using Wheat Germ Agglutinin (WGA), as an example.

WGA is classified as a lectin and is known to play a key role in kidney pathologies, such as IgA nephropathy. In the article: "Do dietary lectins cause disease?" the Allergist David L J Freed points out that WGA binds to "glomerular capillary walls, mesangial cells and tubules of human kidney and (in rodents) binds IgA and induces IgA mesangial deposits," indicating that wheat consumption may lead to kidney damage in susceptible individuals. Indeed, a study from the Mario Negri Institute for Pharmacological Research in Milan Italy published in 2007 in the International Journal of Cancer looked at bread consumption and the risk of kidney cancer. They found that those who consumed the most bread had a 94% higher risk of developing kidney cancer compared to those who consumed the least bread. Given the inherently toxic effect that WGA may have on kidney function, it is possible that in certain genetically predisposed individuals (e.g. HLA-DQ2/DQ8) the body – in its innate intelligence – makes an executive decision: either continue to allow damage to the kidneys (or possibly other organs) until kidney failure and rapid death result, or launch an autoimmune attack on the villi to prevent the absorption of the offending substance which results in a prolonged though relatively malnourished life. This is the explanation typically given for the body’s reflexive formation of mucous following exposure to certain highly allergenic or potentially toxic foods, e.g. dairy products, sugar, etc? The mucous coats the offending substance, preventing its absorption and facilitating safe elimination via the gastrointestinal tract. From this perspective the HLA-DQ locus of disease susceptibility in the celiac is not simply activated but utilized as a defensive adaptation to continual exposure to a harmful substance. In those who do not have the HLA-DQ locus, an autoimmune destruction of the villi will not occur as rapidly, and exposure to the universally toxic effects of WGA will likely go unabated until silent damage to distant organs leads to the diagnosis of a disease that is apparently unrelated to wheat consumption.

Loss of kidney function may only be the "tip of the iceberg," when it comes to the possible adverse effects that wheat proteins and wheat lectin can generate in the body. If kidney cancer is a likely possibility, then other cancers may eventually be linked to wheat consumption as well. This correlation would fly in the face of globally sanctioned and reified assumptions about the inherent benefits of wheat consumption. It would require that we suspend cultural, socio-economic, political and even religious assumptions about its inherent benefits. In many ways, the reassessment of the value of wheat as a food requires a William Boroughs-like moment of shocking clarity when we perceive "in a frozen moment….what is on the end of every fork." Let’s take a closer look at what is on the end of our forks.

I hope your kid will make a speedy recovery :hug:
 
Mikel, sorry to hear about your son, and my thoughts are with you and your family.

Definitely follow the diet improvements, starting with elimination of all gluten, as it's very beneficial to do so in any case. But I wanted to also second Nuke's question:

Nuke said:
Mikel, do the pictures match the symptoms you've seen on your son?

Were the doctor's conclusions final? As in, it can be nothing else but this Henoch-Schonlein purpura?

It's important to be sure of the correct diagnosis, so that the best specific approach can be taken to resolve as much as possible your son's condition.

Hang in there, and all the best to your son, your wife, and you.
 
That is a mouthful (Henoch–Schönlein purpura). And with you being away from home, Mikel, even more difficult to process. :hug:

The food chain is so corrupt,and there are so many strange diseases our children face that we never had to. It is tragic. I'm so sorry it is touching some of our forum members. Nobody is immune.

If the diagnosis has been confirmed, the saving grace in this is, it usually runs its course and seems episodic (coming and going). So with diet changes, perhaps your family can avoid serious consequences that this vascular inflammation can cause. You may want to look into DMSO creme for topical applications to the bruises, as well as elimination of gluten as a first step.

Sending you strength and I hope your son can recovery his health.
 
He is not on the diet.
My approach was first to do it myself. My wife was not with me when it comes for the diet. At least until now. I wanted to prove that it is beneficial for her to see that I am doing well or better then average. Unfortunately my diet started with weight loss which did not look really healthy. I lost 15 kg and for a moment was looking like my wife said like an "Auschwitz kid". Well at least it was a difference from being 90kg man to 75kg as I am now. Than it came hypoglycemia which now I can see was unfortunately triggered by my hasty attempt to be better than average while I went zero carbs in less than a month. After studies suggested by this noble Forum I have adjusted my carbs to a level that were acceptable for my organism. I also link hypoglycemia that time to possible candida which I read is possible reaction to carbohydrates restriction. Candida is still there and need to eat something so she constantly depletes normal sugar levels and this may result in hypoglycemia. Anyway this was my concern for few months as I know that there is something not right with what I was doing. Other thing was my eczema which lasted already for 16 years and I had not noticed that it is getting better with the diet. Recently just to mention I went to a doctor and was prescribed Atarax (Hydroxyzini hydrocholridum)
Atarax reduces activity in the central nervous system. It also acts as an antihistamine that reduces the natural chemical histamine in the body. Histamine can produce symptoms of sneezing and runny nose, or hives on the skin.
Eczema went away. Just guess that if I would have been more diligent in EE maybe same effect could had been achieved?
I noticed that my general anxiety level went down markably but anyway still I was catching myself with tensed abdomen which I know is linked to fear/anxiety of something... Well that is another story and I still do not have solution for that. I do not know what is causing my anxiety. I just know that it is some deep program or something which I am not able to see simply ... for the moment I hope.
Other thing was that I went sick few times while on ketodiet and I had no proof that I am fighting my sicknesses faster than average. Other thing was that up to one month or so ago I had constant loose stool which for me was also a sign that it is not normal.

This experience with my son now struck me so much that I know that it is enough to keep quiet with my knowledge and desperately trying to prove that I am right. Well one thing which now I am going to do to have strong evidence for my wife is to send my son's stool to a genetic laboratory Enterolab or similar (hopefully there is one in Poland) to confirm my suspicions. Other thing is that liposomal thread of vit. C. which I am going implement also.

I still hope that my little boy will get away from that sickness well. Now we are waiting for his urine test but he is willing to do it since yesterday evening. My another worry.
Thank You guys for Your voices. Thanks Psyche for refreshing about Gluten.
As it comes for another medical opinion - my son is still in hospital and until he stays there we need to wait. They have not told us how long he is going to stay in hospital. I just asked my wife to document his bruises on pictures that we have them for future.
 
My son finally made pee and it was tested and no signs of things that should not be there. What a relief. I was afraid of his kidneys.

I feel like something stroke very near but this time we were lucky. Although he still got something I feel that we will manage. The worst thing was when I did not know what was that. I was so much afraid of him. I did not want him to hurt. I was afraid that he will not manage that.

Is such an experience what one can call Gurdjieff's clock?
 
Mikel said:
My son finally made pee and it was tested and no signs of things that should not be there. What a relief. I was afraid of his kidneys.

this is great news. hopefully the condition will now resolve itself in time!
 
Hi,
My son is finaly home! Stool analysis revealed however some traces of hiden blood in it. From time to time he was complayning about stomach pain which lasted very shortly but still. Henoch Schoenlein purpura attack was mild I may say now.
I feel that there was more than one involved in my son's cure. Thank You to those who saved him.
 
Please keep us updated on your son's health, Mikel.
As others have suggested, introducing him to the diet seems to be in order.
:hug2:
 
Hi,
We went to one holistic clinic together with my wife and checked food intolerances of my son.

What I gained (.... in a fact my son :)) is that now my wife started to see the problem with gluten and milk because basic test indicated that milk, eggs and gluten are the biggest problem.

We started revolution in our cuisine.
I noticed that first change in my son behaviour is that he is no longer complaining on his stomach ache after meals. After some time I must admit we got used to his complaining about some pain around his navel or above after meals. I just could not accept that this is normal. I started to doubt in my assessment of him that sometimes he tries to get more attention from us by using some small lies.
Anyway I think and hope that when we are two in this tango that we will go in good direction. When the partner is opposite it is simply very difficult to achieve good thing.

So this is the beginning. Convincing her to paleo diet or even going further to ketogenic diet will be a big challenge.
 
Mikel said:
Hi,
We went to one holistic clinic together with my wife and checked food intolerances of my son.

What I gained (.... in a fact my son :)) is that now my wife started to see the problem with gluten and milk because basic test indicated that milk, eggs and gluten are the biggest problem.

We started revolution in our cuisine.
I noticed that first change in my son behaviour is that he is no longer complaining on his stomach ache after meals. After some time I must admit we got used to his complaining about some pain around his navel or above after meals. I just could not accept that this is normal. I started to doubt in my assessment of him that sometimes he tries to get more attention from us by using some small lies.
Anyway I think and hope that when we are two in this tango that we will go in good direction. When the partner is opposite it is simply very difficult to achieve good thing.

So this is the beginning. Convincing her to paleo diet or even going further to ketogenic diet will be a big challenge.

Mikel, I'm glad to hear that your son is doing better and that he has decided to embrace the paleo diet. I think it's important to take one step at a time and not try to rush things too much with moving to a fully ketogenic diet if your wife is still contrary to it. It may be a good idea to get some of the recommended books and share them with the family. That may convince your wife that the diet isn't really restrictive but will actually be beneficial not only to your son but to the whole family. Just my 2 cents.
 
Mikel said:
I started to doubt in my assessment of him that sometimes he tries to get more attention from us by using some small lies.

I used to do this, but the lies were always inspired by real problems I had, even ones I believed were in my head or my fault. I've thought about many such lies I made when young and realized how close they were to the truth despite what I thought. At that time I really could not make up a lie that wasn't in some part inspired by my suffering, for the very reason that suffering was the main thing driving me to lie. After realizing this I have started thinking more seriously about children even when they acting out.

This doesn't explain everything, but it may be useful to think about. FWIW
 
Thanks monotonic and Eboard10,
Yeap - one step at a time. I need to keep that in mind. Maybe I will try to inspire my wife to read some Nora's Gedgaudas excerpts from PBPM. Some small step as soon as she will be willing to read.
Lying as a cover for suffering - thanks for a hint.
I always feel ashamed after I realize that my interpretation of the world may be causing pain of my closest. I was concentrating more on myself - to go in direction of "trust always". There is anyway also "always" some tendency in me to not to trust. I was thinking that I may start to doubt in my son in what he is telling after I find proof of his lie and until than I shall not give him a doubt that I am with him.

So maybe he is a mirror of myself You say? Will try to observe that more.
 
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