NASA Moon Impactor completes Lunar Maneuver

[spyraal]

A couple of weeks ago, in June 24, SOTT hosted an article from ScienceDaily, titled NASA Moon Impactor completes Lunar Maneuver .

That article did not raise my attention at the time, until yesterday when I was talking to a friend, he told me something about "the moon being bombed". I went on to read ScienceDaily article again, but it does not give a lot of information regarding the impact that is going to happen on October 9. After a fast search in the web, i found some disturbing numbers regarding this "experiment".
According to this source :

To Anthony Colaprete, a planetary physicist and chief scientist for the LCROSS mission, the brilliant burst of matter his crashing Centaur will eject is the ultimate goal of the current mission.

"In only a few seconds, we'll see the brilliant flash from the crash," he said Wednesday from Cape Canaveral. "The ejecta should show first as a single bright, shimmering star; we're calling it sunrise. Seconds later, even modest telescopes on Earth should see two blurry stars as the ejecta spreads wider and higher."

Those blurry lights would show as stars of the fourth or fifth magnitude, Colaprete said - possibly as bright as the Andromeda nebula. That spectacle may last only 60 seconds or so, Colaprete said, but it will signal that the Centaur's crash has created a fresh crater up to 5 miles wide at a carefully selected spot inside the larger target crater.

Within 10 minutes, dense material ejected from that crater should rise some 6 miles high, with the water ice - perhaps billions of years old, if it exists at all - turning instantly to vapor. And within an hour, detectable hydrogen and oxygen should rise as high as 60 miles, according to calculations by Colaprete's team at Ames.

After the Centaur rocket crash, LCROSS, its fuel spent, will slam into the lunar surface as well, its job done.

So, the two-ton Centaur rocket is going to be used as a space-based kinetic weapon that will create a 5 mile wide crater! Maybe it is just me, but that sounds like very weird sience. Also, isn't this a HUGE sized crater for a mere two-ton object, even if runs at the alleged speed of 5,600 mph? I truly wonder if this is just a two ton "kinetic projectile". And all this for the purpose of detecting "water sources"? What a mild and scientific approach! :/ I was under the impression that they can trace water in very distant planets, but in this case they need to make a 5 mile crater to produce enough vapour so as to tell? Sounds a little fishy...

Also i found this source where a guy called Ted Twietmeyer makes some interesting and seemingly reasonable arguements -on the first look at least.

What's NASA up to now? The closer we look at this mad science experiment, the more we can see a bigger, hidden ugly picture.

Our Moon is extremely important to our Earth and our survival. It acts as a flywheel/stabilizer for Earth's non-spherical shape. Simulations show that without the Moon oceans would become dead zones. Tides would no longer ebb and flow, which are vital to numerous forms of life world wide. Many sea turtles, crabs and other animals rely on tides for their survival. This ties directly into our food chain, too.

Apollo missions forty years ago left retro-reflective mirrors on the Moon, to measure its distance relative to Earth. Lasers send out a precisely timed pulse, and can measure the distance to within a fraction of an inch.

Now the National Science Foundation is going to cut funding for the McDonald laser ranging station at Ft. Davis, Texas. [1] We hear of millions to billions of dollars being pissed away by pork barrel projects. And "National Science Foundation" kills this project that consumes a paltry $125,000/year?

Something is very wrong here.

If NASA wanted to continue the project, which they should be doing, they could tell the NSF not to cancel this project. But apparently NASA is remaining silent. Just as they have remained silent about numerous Mars discoveries being made by the ESA Mars mission.

Like many people, I've been quietly watching the Not Always Science Agency. And this latest uncle-axe-job comes about at a very unusual time.

In just a few months, NASA will EXPLODE a TWO TON bomb on the Moon. They claim this is in the interest of paving the way for colonization, and "to find water." Now this is where the NASA nonsense piles up into an ugly heap, like bed sheet wrinkles on a bed made by a 4 year old.

So what's the problem? Here are just a few of the facts that come to light:

1. Exploding a bomb on the moon will displace several miles of Lunar material according to what NASA claims will happen.

2. The displacement of lunar material will follow Newton's law about equal and opposite reaction. This means that an equal force will be exerted on the Moon to match the force it takes to eject miles of material. No one can actually predict what will happen, just as NASA failed miserably predicting the results of another experiment. In a previous mission, a NASA spacecraft fired a high velocity copper warhead penetrator into a comet's core. The results were not what they expected. This is because popular science theory really believes comets are dirty snowballs. Instead, the actual results were already predicted by the electric universe theory. Comets are not dirty snowballs which is something many of us already knew. Yet again, NASA refused to use common sense and look at theories based on real evidence and science, such as the electric universe theory.

3. If the McDonald Moon ranging project is cancelled, no one will be able to measure the displacement of the Moon caused by the explosion. Perhaps this is the idea by cancelling the project.

4. Exploding a bomb on the Moon is against all international laws and treaties. NASA doesn't own the Moon and they never will, and as such have no right to instigate such madness. This madness is on a par with the utterly insane space elevator.

5. Last but not least is the water issue. This is one follows yet another big lie. Almost every book about our solar system claims it is nearly a perfect vacuum. So how does water behave when exposed to a reduced atmosphere? The speed it evaporates (sublimates) is in proportion to the amount of atmosphere present. If a window blows out of a plane at 50,000 ft. water and blood will boil. And that's not even in a very good vacuum.

And here's what it all comes down to ­ water disappears completely in a vacuum. Therefore, the idea of NASA finding water on the Moon by exploding a bomb in a vacuum on the Moon is utterly ridiculous. Heat from the bomb combined with the vacuum will flash-evaporate any trace water so fast it cannot not be measured. No two ton bomb has ever exploded without generating tremendous heat, and this heat will blind infrared sensors. Long before the sub-lunar surface cools off to take a reading, any water will be long gone. So the idea of using a bomb to find water is wrong on many levels.

There also remains an even bigger and more important question ­ what happens if they disturb the Moon's orbit? Few people alive today remember what NASA said when the spent Lunar Landers were ejected and crashed into the Moon. NASA stated that the seismograph instruments the Apollo crew left behind showed that after a Lunar Lander crashed into the Moon, that it "made the Moon ring like a bell for more than 30 minutes." Would this same thing happen if the Moon were made of solid rock?

The Lunar Lander ascent stage weighed just 10,334kg. which is about the equivalent weight of an 11 ton truck.

The mass of the Moon has been calculated to be 7.36 1022 kilograms. That's a 7.36 followed by 22 zeroes.

So how could an 11 ton spacecraft, which weighs even less on the Moon because gravity is 1/6 that of Earth - make 7,360,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilograms of rock ring for half an hour? Who could believe this?

This appears to strongly prove the Moon MUST be hollow. And if the Moon is actually hollow, it will take far less to disturb its orbit than anyone currently realizes. How many millions of kilograms of force will bombing the Moon generate? We are not being told that figure.

Disturbing the Moon's orbit may cause tidal waves and quite possibly Earthquakes in many zones around the Earth where edges of tectonic plates are already at or near the breaking point of sliding. The stress caused by a sudden shift in the Moon's gravitational pull could be a serious catastrophe. Who knows what it might do to the Yellowstonesuper-volcano which is already heating up and has made larger areas of Yellowstone park unusable.

And if the NASA experiment goes badly wrong (like most NASA projects do the first time NASA tries them) what do they think countries of the world will do? Send a bill to theUSA for damages? Perhaps NASA will do what they usually do. Lie their way out of the problem.

This whole project sounds very suspect indeed! I am going do some more research on this to see what more there is to it. Just in case, here is a link to the University of Texas' McDonald Laser Ranging Station (MLRS) site for more specific information on this instrument.

Strange and interesting times we live in... Maybe there is good question for the Cs here. Thank you.


-NEW EDIT: I found an article concerning the MRLS shutdown in the Guardian's site.

:)

 

[ark]

-NEW EDIT: I found an article concerning the MRLS shutdown in the Guardian's site.

:)

The fact that NASA will not be measuring the distance to the Moon does not mean that no one will be doing it. When the time and the place of the impact is known - by precise measurements one can say a lot IF the Moon is hollow indeed, and how much and where it is hollow or VERY solid. Of course we (the public) will never learn about these things. But SOMEONE will.

So, why to be so pessimistic?

 

[spyraal]

The fact that NASA will not be measuring the distance to the Moon does not mean that no one will be doing it. When the time and the place of the impact is known - by precise measurements one can say a lot IF the Moon is hollow indeed, and how much and where it is hollow or VERY solid. Of course we (the public) will never learn about these things. But SOMEONE will.

So, why to be so pessimistic?

Indeed. It makes perfect sense that someone WILL have all the appropriate instruments when they are needed in order to get the desired data out of this experiment or mission. Maybe the shut down of the Texas University based MLRS system is only to limit the public exposure of this project 's findings. Still, it is really hard to tell with these guys unless one is that "someone" Ark mentioned!

But in my mind, this is a double riddle. The first part is what are they really trying to do and measure by this collision, and the second is the actual data of that measurement and the conclusions drawn by it.

Somehow the "search for water" seems IMO to... hold little water as a probable prime objective. My common sense struggles to digest that in the year 2009 we have to blow holes 5 miles wide in the closest to Earth celestial body, our planet's satellite, one that can be observed even by naked eyes, for any such reason. At first it seems so disproportionate, but then again, such things have happened before... Who knows?

Thank you.
:)

 

[ark]

Somehow the "search for water" seems IMO to... hold little water as a probable prime objective.

What else comes to mind is this: there exist ground penetrating bombs - the can dig pretty deep I think, even in a hard rock. Of course admitting using any such an explosive in space would cause lot of protests and troubles. They can't do it. On the other hand not to try to test such a charge to just dig a liitle bit in some suspected place on the Moon - that would be an unpardonable missed opportunity for "some". They can't afford not trying it.

Just a thought.

 

[mamadrama]

This appears to strongly prove the Moon MUST be hollow.

FWIW, this article seems to suggest a contradiction of that idea to some extent: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/173269-Moon-Rock-Reveals-Hot-Molten-Core

Thanks to this super specimen, scientists were able to detect magnetic traces in it that suggest the moon used to have a magnetic field in ancient times. The field was likely caused by an active hot liquid core, like the one inside Earth today.

"We believe the moon's core is still molten now, but the difference is that it doesn't have this dynamo, this convecting current that supports and generates a magnetic field," Garrick-Bethell told Wired.com. "It's possible that it stopped because the moon is much cooler now."

Using an instrument called a rock magnetometer, the researchers took many highly detailed measurements of the rock's magnetism, which allowed them to rule out the possibility that the magnetic traces were left over from temporary fields caused by major asteroid impacts on the moon. Instead, the evidence showed that the magnetic field must have been in place for millions of years, which means it must have been caused by a molten dynamo core.

The idea of a magnetic moon isn't new, but has been "one of the most controversial issues in lunar science," said MIT planetary scientist and co-author Ben Weiss. "People have been vociferously debating this for 30 years."

But contradictions abound (no surprise there) when it comes to NASA and what they're actually up to.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/188214-New-focus-on-the-moon

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/187348-The-Moon-We-re-going-nowhere-says-NASA-official

It does seem, though, there is some sort of deliberate effort to keep the moon in the public eye. Distractions? There's even a recently released sci-fi thriller, "Moon," _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0j_ONmVcXA to peak the public's imagination.

Don't know what if anything this means but it's interesting.

 

[daveOS]

Exactly! Something is deeply askew between statistics cited about LCROSS! This article also cites the 5 miles wide crater with a blast cloud of "at least 6 miles high".
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/17/MNJ41887O2.DTL

So, how can the actual NASA LCROSS site state "The impact will excavate a crater about 1/3 of a football field wide..."
http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/impact.htm
Or on the LCROSS Faq http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/faq.htm#q4 it states, "The LCROSS impact will excavate a crater approximately 20 meters in diameter...", AND! "The LCROSS impact is actually a slow impact and, thus, most of the material is not thrown very high upward, rather outward, adjacent to the impact site."

There are some serious inconsistencies between the actual LCROSS site and what's revealed in interviews with Anthony Colaprete (principal investigator for LCROSS) and covered by reporters. Any bets on an atmosphere boost for the moon?

 

[Stowaway]

A search of Google News Archives for "NASA Moon Impactor" returned just seven results. Here is one - notice the date is July, 1999.

_www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-60353200.html