Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing'

[Chang]

Somewhere around Feb 2 of this year, I read an interesting AND informative article by a gentleman that described something Psychopaths do.

I'm pretty sure it was under the heading 'Psychopaths at Home, and in the Garden', but I can't seem to locate it. If anyone remembers reading (or writing) that particular post, that would be great.

And I suppose I should confess up front, No, I'm not smarter than a 5th Grader!

Thanks!!!

Chang

 

[ScarletBegonias]

Hey I'm still in the 3rd grade, so it's cool! ;) Have you tried the search function in the top-right corner of your screen? Can you give more specific information about the post? Also, I have lost threads on here before too, but find that using the "bookmark" function has helped me to save ones I want to return to.

 

[Buddy]

Hi Chang. Is this the one? Wrong date but closest match to what you provided.

Cassiopaea Forum » Science » Psychopaths at Home, at work, and in the Garden » Cyberstalking:

We urge framing our public presentation of the Pentagon issue around unanimously agreed upon issues such as the absent air defense...

If not, perhaps you could specify who or what is being "framed" and use those for search terms? Framing reality, a discussion, a situation, a person?

 

[Chang]

Scarlet & Bud, thanks so much for your effort. I was hoping I would bump into the gentleman that wrote the article. or someone that read it recently, boy that didn't pan out.

I kick myself for not taking better notes, but oh well.

I'll find it, on way or another, I just hope its sooner or later.

Thanks All!!!!!

Chang

 

[Palinurus]

Hi Chang,

There is only one article I could find that possibly could match some of your descriptions: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/159097-Target-Chavez-Framing-and-demonisation

Hope this is what you were looking for.

 

[Chang]

Re: Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing' (Palinurus)

Palinurus,

Thanks for your help, but no, that wasn't it either.

I'm pretty sure it was an article written under the 'Psychopath' Subject Heading, and I believe it was a reference to a trait Psycho's use to 'bad mouth' innocent victims, making the innocent look guilty, and inversely making themselves look normal.

I wanted to re-read the article, as well as make sure I remembered correctly.
According to my lovely wife, I've been spacing things out lately, so this is also a bit of a 'sanity' check as well. The psycho neighbors have really pushed me beyond my comfort zone, so I'm not real sure about anything, anymore.

I visited a Psychologist several months ago, and he suggested that I may be suffering from an 'Adjustment' syndrome, and that the only real solution was to move away. I've finally accepted that option as viable. Now all I have to do is completely uproot myself, sell a home during the absolute worst economical period in my lifetime, and erase five years of my memory.

Thanks To All For Your Help!!!

Chang

 

[Buddy]

Now all I have to do is completely uproot myself, sell a home during the absolute worst economical period in my lifetime, and erase five years of my memory.

Ouch! Sorry to hear you're having such a rough time.

According to my lovely wife, I've been spacing things out lately, so this is also a bit of a 'sanity' check as well. The psycho neighbors have really pushed me beyond my comfort zone, so I'm not real sure about anything, anymore.

Is there anything you need the network's advice or other feedback on until you find the article you're looking for?

 

[Palinurus]

Hi Chang,

I'm aware of your ongoing predicament with your neighbours from reading about it on another thread. Sorry to hear it has gone worse ever since as to the apparent need to finally move. I'm with Bud on this one: would there be anything we as a network could contribute to help you out, don't hesitate to ask for that. In the meantime keep a cool head and don't let this put you down in any way. One never knows how this could benefit you in the long run, but that always is a possibility to keep in mind. Hang on!

 

[Chang]

Re: Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing' (Bud & Palinurus)


Jeepers, thanks so much for your support, I'm not used to that, but I do appreciate it. To answer your question, no, I don't think there's anything anyone can do, short of putting me out of my misery. The whole thing is an unbelievable nightmare, and the fact that the pyscho's are able to fool the cops (did I mention how I hate cops now?) to the point of the police not doing their job.

I was briefly startled, when I read that Laura had almost the same thing happen to her. I saw that article just a week or two ago. I don't think I knew about it back when it happened, which surprised me, cause I was glued to her writings from (99-03). I felt bad for her having to endure that, but I was also uplifted, if only momentarily, to see how wonderfully she recovered from such horrible events.

Once Again, Thanks For Your Support!!!

Best,

Chang

 

[cindyj]

Wow, I know how that feels, trying to recall enough details to find what you're looking for. Maybe more candidates could be found by using the search terms "reframe" or "reframing"?

Using "reframe", I didn't come across anything very close to your description, although if you need a laughing moment (don't we all?), you will enjoy this:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21849.msg230622.html#msg230622

Using "reframing" as a search term, this posting did come pretty close to what you described-- could this be it?:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,20628.msg231043.html#msg231043

Good luck to you! Breathe. :)

Cindy

 

[Chang]

Cindy,

Wow, thanks for the two great links!!! And the second one (does that sound weird to you?) is pretty darn close. Its the same use of the word (frame) just not the same article, but you're in first place so far!

I only read about half of the article, (I gotta run) but will finish it later this morning.

Thanks So Much!!!

Chang

 

[Chang]

Re: Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing' (Cindy)

Cindy,

I hope you don't mind that I've shortened your moniker, its just too long the other way.

This section here is pretty close to what I remember (or think I remember):

'So to use your example, Emily gets called a jerk. Emily's friends say to everyone on the playground "Emily's such a nice person, why would anyone think she's a jerk. I don't get it." People are invited to Emily's house to play all the while Timmy's still on the playground yelling "jerk?". Who would you believe?'


Although, the way I remember the original article, it would be more like this:

Emily's neighbor is a psychopath, and really has it in for her. The psycho tells everyone he comes in contact with, that Emily is a pedophile, is really mean to everyone, she stole money from me, and she just seems to be a very strange person.

When someone does that among a few neighbors, it can have a devastating effect on the victim. Then the police talk to some of these people, and they get the feeling that Emily really is the troublesome one, not the psycho. That gives the psycho more leverage, and the psycho becomes more daring with their ill intent.

This is what I'm having a hard time with. The police are not very smart, and when they stop coming to your aid, its really a cluster-muck.

Yesterday morning (around 8 AM) Todo and I were doing our daily walk. One of our elderly neighbor drives by us, not showing much concern for we pedestrians. Toady and I were near our turn-around point, and the neighbor is returning from the store. When a car passes, we always stop, and look at the driver, and usually wave and smile. The car almost always slows down, and goes out around us (its a back road, not much traffic). Well this bitter old git doesn't slow down, and doesn't move one iota! I flipped out, we almost got run over! When I got home, I asked Jackie if I should call the police (they seem useless to me at this point) she got upset and said YES! So I called the dispatcher, they gave the msg to the cop, and the cop called me 40 minutes later. I told him I wasn't sure if the guy didn't see me, or was just being a jerk, but if he didn't see me, he shouldn't be driving.

Well, per usual, I never heard back from the cop. Around 3:50 PM, I called the dispatcher, and she put me thru to his voicemail, and I repeated my concern. Still nothing. I went to the dictionary to look up the word 'frustrating', there was a picture of me next to the text. Its been like this for the last couple of years.
I tell ya, I don't get no respect!!! I'll end with that line from Rodney Dangerfield.

Thanks!!!

Chang

 

[Chang]

Re: Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing' (Bud & Palinurus)


A few weeks back, you asked if there was anything you could do to help.

I'm not having much luck finding out how one goes about having a sociopath committed, or even tested.

With all the people here that have had trouble with them, I haven't yet seen or read anything about what needs to take place (IMO).

Sure, we can move (which seems to be what I have to do) but when you think about it, we are empowering them by doing this. As long as they are allowed to contaminate society, they are going to be causing trouble somewhere, for some poor soul.

That doesn't seem like the responsible thing to do, sort of like owning a rice patty in Viet Nam, finding out it has land mines all over the place, and allowing others to work there. You have to acknowledge the potential for disaster still exists, and I would think the right thing to do is remove the problem, not the victim.

So does anyone know of a practical way of removing these monsters from society?
There has to be a way.

Thanks!!!

Chang

 

[ScarletBegonias]

Re: Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing' (Bud & Palinurus)

Hi Chang,

It's too bad about the issues with your neighbors, but I'm not so sure if moving would empower them. If anything I would think that the more people who avoid them the less power they would have.

I would like to also say that I think it's important to be careful with our thoughts and feelings regarding the psychopaths among us. It would be immoral, IMO, to go on a witch hunt for them. The only way to deal with this is by educating ourselves and others, I think.

Also, I've never tried to officially diagnose a psychopath before, but I would recommend talking with a psychologist. :)

 

[Chang]

Re: Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing' (Scarlet)

Scarlet,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me. I said it 'empowers them', because it is positive re-enforcement to them. Its not showing them that their actions are wrong, it is saying 'they won' which is positive re-enforcement to them. I'm basing that on 5 or 6 years of experience, although it seems like 100.

Just as when they lie to the police, and get away with it, they learn that it is 'the right thing to do'. I think you can see what I mean.

As far as the 'more people that avoid them'. Everyone is scared to death of them. Everyone tries to avoid them, but when they break into your house and steal $5000 worth of collectibles, they pretty much took the ability to 'avoid' them away from you.
And yes, this happened to another neighbor, who was their friend, right up until the robbery. As a matter of fact, the robber went back that night when his ex-friend was home, and told him, to his face: "If you report this, I'll 'flicking' kill you". To me, by not reporting the robbery, it empowers the sicko's. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I've seen it happen a dozen or so times.

I asked the guy that was robbed why he didn't report them, and he replied, "What are the cops going to do"? At that time, I thought he was wrong, but in hindsight, he was right. He plans to take out his 'frustrations' on the thieves physically, when the opportunity presents itself. All I can say, is "Good luck", as
the psycho is probably one of the strongest people I've met, and he appears to be immune to pain.

As far as the psychologist, thats a great idea. I'm trying to think back, as to whether or not I did ask him that question, but I'm drawing a blank. We've been plagued with tons of expenses, and my wife has been out of work for almost 2 years now, and after her third operation (the first one was botched by the surgeon) she is still having way more pain that one person should have to deal with. That, along with all the legal expenses, has put us in a very bad situation. But I will write to the psychologist, and ask him.

As to the 'witch hunt', again, I agree with you, but when they commit a crime, I seem to be unable to let it go, part of my makeup I guess, but I'll try to educate myself to the point that I can let it go. The state motto of my birth place, is "Don't Tread On Me", so maybe it was engrained at birth.

Thanks!!!

Chang