Negro ?

[Ekios]

Hey there, as I follow the SOTT news in both french and english through RSS, I felt upon that new : _http://fr.sott.net/article/21760-La-quenelle-retinienne-de-Poutine-envers-Obama

It refers of an eye exchange between Poutin & Obama that, indeed, was hillarious (still watching it now .. eh eh ;) )

The issue ? Well, in the text, the source of the article paints Obama as the "Negro of the house" ... as much as the guy is for me a mass murderer and a true sociopath, the source of that article has clearly some issues with skin pigmentation.

Is this ok for something like SOTT ? And by 'something' I mean such a quality place to have information.

I feel disturbed by that, as if there is some stinky infiltration in a rooth ...

I am wondering what the SOTT team thinks about it ?

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Alors que les larbins étaient venus applaudir en chœur le nègre de maison à l'occasion de la commémoration du débarquement en Normandie, Obama, pris d'un soudain excès de confiance, lance un regard figé en direction de Poutine, qui rétablit la hiérarchie naturelle dans un duel sans suspens remporté haut la main par le président russe.

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[Marcus-Aurelius]

Hi Kios,
In my opinion, the expression was not used as a racial/skin color stereotype but rather to describe Obama as a puppet of the PTB. At least this was my understanding of it!

 

[Ekios]

Hi Kios,
In my opinion, the expression was not used as a racial/skin color stereotype but rather to describe Obama as a puppet of the PTB. At least this was my understanding of it!

That is also one possibility, thank you :)

 

[truth seeker]

From what I can tell, it seems like a translation from the english term "house negro" (asterix mine):

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Negro

"House Negro" (also "House N*gger") is a pejorative term for a black person, used to compare someone to a house slave of a slave owner from the historic period of legal slavery in the United States. The term comes from a speech "Message to the Grass Roots" (1963) by African American activist Malcolm X, wherein he explains that during slavery, there were two kinds of slaves: "house Negroes", who worked in the master's house, and "field Negroes" (also "field Niggers"), who performed the manual labor outside.

He characterizes the house Negro as having a better life than the field Negro, and thus unwilling to leave the plantation and potentially more likely to support existing power structures that favor whites over blacks. Malcolm X identified with the field Negro. The term is used against individuals,[1][2] in critiques of attitudes within the African American community,[3] and as a borrowed term for critiquing parallel situations.

 

[Ekios]

This rest Marcus Aurelius cases :)

Thank you :)

 

[mkrnhr]

In this context, "nègre de maison" or "nègre de service" is an expression usually used to denote the contempt that the PTB have to some of their puppets. A similar expression is used for some French politicians who are of North African origin "l'arabe de service", which means that the person has been put into that office in order to sell better some unpopular political agenda. The person is obedient and faithful to the masters. It is not a racist statement per se but denotes the contempt of the oligarchy towards its servants. An example of this view is given by Dieudonné's sketch here: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yFqHWMFvfg

 

[truth seeker]

I agree that the term was probably not racist. Even if it was written in English and in the context that African American's usually understand it in, I don't take offense to it because imo, it's the truth. In my current understanding something that's racist is usually based on or wrapped in a lie, regardless of who says it.

 

[theos]

I agree that the term was probably not racist. Even if it was written in English and in the context that African American's usually understand it in, I don't take offense to it because imo, it's the truth. In my current understanding something that's racist is usually based on or wrapped in a lie, regardless of who says it.

True, but in this politically correct, lie loving, hystericised world there are loads of people who would see it as racist. IMO, the article is just calling a spade a spade.

 

[Ekios]

I agree that the term was probably not racist. Even if it was written in English and in the context that African American's usually understand it in, I don't take offense to it because imo, it's the truth. In my current understanding something that's racist is usually based on or wrapped in a lie, regardless of who says it.

True, but in this politically correct, lie loving, hystericised world there are loads of people who would see it as racist. IMO, the article is just calling a spade a spade.

Aouch !

 

[truth seeker]

I agree that the term was probably not racist. Even if it was written in English and in the context that African American's usually understand it in, I don't take offense to it because imo, it's the truth. In my current understanding something that's racist is usually based on or wrapped in a lie, regardless of who says it.

True, but in this politically correct, lie loving, hystericised world there are loads of people who would see it as racist. IMO, the article is just calling a spade a spade.

Aouch !

I can understand your upset, Kios, but if you really think about it, racism, sexism and homophobia (whether it manifests via oneself or others) seems to be a yet another form of trauma that results in cognitive dissonance for many. People believe the pathological lies told to them and unfortunately when someone attempts to tell the truth, because it's too painful, they react by holding on tighter to their illusion. In many cases, it seems that the lie is rooted in the idea of victimhood that only serves to further separate people from each other and their true selves. I think most of us experience this regardless of what caused the initial trauma.

 

[Ekios]

Wooohoo !! Hey, Truth Seeker, really : Easy :)

Stop anticipating through emotions that are not mine at the moment and weren't mine either when I posted :)

I used this network to see if I didn't understand correctly, and I realized immediately, after the very first answer that "yes, I didn't read it correctly at all".

Remember :

I feel disturbed by that, as if there is some stinky infiltration in a rooth* ...

Relax :)

*actually I should have speel it roof, ayayaye my english

 

[Vic]

I agree that the term was probably not racist. Even if it was written in English and in the context that African American's usually understand it in, I don't take offense to it because imo, it's the truth. In my current understanding something that's racist is usually based on or wrapped in a lie, regardless of who says it.

True, but in this politically correct, lie loving, hystericised world there are loads of people who would see it as racist. IMO, the article is just calling a spade a spade.

The term 'spade' is one of the most established and widely used derogatory racist terms in the UK - especially London. For a split second I thought you were making an inappropriate 'joke.'


Obviously you weren't but I thought I would flag this up for you as new visitors to the forum may misinterpret your post.


Spade a black person, recorded since 1928 OED), from the playing cards suit.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs#S

 

[truth seeker]

Wooohoo !! Hey, Truth Seeker, really : Easy :)

Stop anticipating through emotions that are not mine at the moment and weren't mine either when I posted :)

I used this network to see if I didn't understand correctly, and I realized immediately, after the very first answer that "yes, I didn't read it correctly at all".

Remember :

I feel disturbed by that, as if there is some stinky infiltration in a rooth* ...

Relax :)

*actually I should have speel it roof, ayayaye my english

No problem, Kios. When I read your second to last post, I wasn't sure if you were just done with the conversation specifically or the forum in general since it seemed abrupt and didn't really give any indication of what your thoughts were about what was said other than 'ouch' which read to me as if you feelings might have been hurt.

I also wrote that post not just for you, but for other members who may be currently reading or will come across this thread in the future so that they might better understand why the phrase wasn't racist in this context should they find themselves triggered. Glad you're okay. :)

Added: "second to last"

 

[Ekios]

It felt like a slap in the face so "Aouch, ok, bybye for this subject - i'm done anyway since I learned through the first answer"

I made it short in order to limit any noise. Now, I have to say, I'm glad I posted because I learn a few extra things over english vocabulary - which I really need to work on because I only speak it now and the writing became a disaster :

Thank you :)

 

[truth seeker]

It felt like a slap in the face so "Aouch, ok, bybye for this subject - i'm done anyway since I learned through the first answer"

I made it short in order to limit any noise. Now, I have to say, I'm glad I posted because I learn a few extra things over english vocabulary - which I really need to work on because I only speak it now and the writing became a disaster :

Thank you :)

Got it.

I'm glad you posted it too! It was pretty brave of you because these conversations can be difficult but are still important. I apologize for any misunderstanding on my part.