New show: NewsReal with Joe & Niall
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The first 41 mins are audio with no video.Here's the new link
Starting the show earlier, wasn't sure if there was a helium party going on. Funny stuff. Picked it up again later and it was all good, then it disappeared completely.
Okay, got the 41 min mark going forward.
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Yeah that’s weird. When Scottie first put up the “fixed” version, I was able to watch the entire thing. Now the first half (video part) is gone.
Also, @Joe : Kapow! At 57:15 “Israel knows Iran has nukes”. I’ve been waiting for so long to hear those words in a broadcast! I almost dropped my fork! Eggs everywhere…
Right, and they're irrelevant, mostly, because MAD applies as it does elsewhere. There's a lot of 'game theory' going on here.
Great show guys.
As to the discussion about Israel as an unsinkable aircraft carrier, aka "the US imperial bridgehead", this has been an old-left, indeed Soviet, talking point forever. That's the reason Americans on the right, whether MAGA, "New Right", Groypers etc. won't touch it with a ten-foot pole. It's clear that this is part of the story though.
The argument against it from anti-Israel MAGA types is, as Beau said, that there seems to be little to show for it - the more the Israel/ME thing went on, the more dysfunctional life seems to have become for the American Middle Class. But one could argue that this doesn't apply to the US elites, who got fatter and fatter and more powerful. Besides, psychos as many of them are, they get off normal people suffering while they're sitting in their mansions, so life's good. From the perspective of ordinary Americans, however, it's obviously a good argument: they have enough of it all, and they correctly identify US wars in the Middle East and Israel as part of the cause.
What they don't see is what's at the root of the spiritual conundrum and mismatch that Trump and MAGA represent in general: you can't advocate for the end of globalism and imperialism, and at the same time promise that America will just go back to normal, grow their GDP, "get back a powerful economy" etc. Trump would have to tell people that ending globalism and imperialism will be a rough ride indeed, that they'll have to give up a LOT of what they're used to, go through real struggle and hardship, in the pursuit of a higher goal that maybe will eventually lead to a better situation. In fact, he would have to make the case that spiritually, such hardship WOULD already be a much better situation than the current fat, delusional existence built on lies and cunning and bullying. Obviously, neither Trump nor any other politician, even if they recognized this reality, could ever put it like that, because people would simply reject it.
I noticed a few hints of that concept here and there in Trump's speeches, like that "we have to suffer a bit to make it happen" or things along those lines, but nothing short of Americans awakening to the spiritual necessity of it, uniting them on a new quest that recognizes that literally everything is better than living like that in a sea of lies and lunacy powered by the comfort of junk food and addiction and idiocracy on every level, could make it happen.
As to the discussion about Israel as an unsinkable aircraft carrier, aka "the US imperial bridgehead", this has been an old-left, indeed Soviet, talking point forever. That's the reason Americans on the right, whether MAGA, "New Right", Groypers etc. won't touch it with a ten-foot pole. It's clear that this is part of the story though.
The argument against it from anti-Israel MAGA types is, as Beau said, that there seems to be little to show for it - the more the Israel/ME thing went on, the more dysfunctional life seems to have become for the American Middle Class. But one could argue that this doesn't apply to the US elites, who got fatter and fatter and more powerful. Besides, psychos as many of them are, they get off normal people suffering while they're sitting in their mansions, so life's good. From the perspective of ordinary Americans, however, it's obviously a good argument: they have enough of it all, and they correctly identify US wars in the Middle East and Israel as part of the cause.
What they don't see is what's at the root of the spiritual conundrum and mismatch that Trump and MAGA represent in general: you can't advocate for the end of globalism and imperialism, and at the same time promise that America will just go back to normal, grow their GDP, "get back a powerful economy" etc. Trump would have to tell people that ending globalism and imperialism will be a rough ride indeed, that they'll have to give up a LOT of what they're used to, go through real struggle and hardship, in the pursuit of a higher goal that maybe will eventually lead to a better situation. In fact, he would have to make the case that spiritually, such hardship WOULD already be a much better situation than the current fat, delusional existence built on lies and cunning and bullying. Obviously, neither Trump nor any other politician, even if they recognized this reality, could ever put it like that, because people would simply reject it.
I noticed a few hints of that concept here and there in Trump's speeches, like that "we have to suffer a bit to make it happen" or things along those lines, but nothing short of Americans awakening to the spiritual necessity of it, uniting them on a new quest that recognizes that literally everything is better than living like that in a sea of lies and lunacy powered by the comfort of junk food and addiction and idiocracy on every level, could make it happen.
Technically, it has been very good for the American people also, or most of them, at least financially and living standards-wise.
Being an American, I don't think Trump has any ability to conceive of the idea that it might be a good idea for the US to make those changes. Far too much 'Murica!' 'Freedom' and consumer society as the one true god, in the programming from a young age. They're like fish in water. Those with a littler more awareness of the truth 'instinctively' know that America must maintain the 'global order' as it is, or they will definitely become a 2nd rate country. And that's almost literally unthinkable for them.
I agree, being married to an American, my husband is well educated, intelligent and aware. However, his position is that the structure of the world can not be changed, it has been immutable for thousands of years. With an elite ruling class, it’s satanic cult underpinnings, mysterious UAP/ alien happenings, none of it matters because we are the cattle in the pens, the game has to be played as it is. The ‘blue pill’ is the only logical choice for Americans unless they contemplate a much broader hyperdimensional née spiritual context. If they do have these leanings, without a good deal of extra knowledge the only available narrative is Judeo-Christian verses Zionists. And that garden path takes you into the bizarre world of the Red Hieffer.
I can see why “there is a programme for everyone”, it all constantly throws the people off the scent of the hyperdimensional weird world we really live in. We live in a world in which the Overton Window is morphing into containing entirely the elements of a Satanic Cult.
For a long time, yes. But I think part of the reason why so many people, especially younger people, started questioning the Israel thing (and other things) is that at least for them, things have been shifting for 10 years or so, with unaffordable housing, mass migration, difficulty finding jobs, inflation and so on. Of course it's relative, but if people feel things are declining and don't go well for them, they start having ideas...
I agree, and wish that I had said that explicitly on the show. I am advocating for a radical change in the structure of how the US gov't operates, specifically economically, and its treatment of foreign countries as vassals that support the American peoples' way of life. That would no doubt cause a lot of problems for the average American because the economy, and all that is needed to maintain the American empire, would be destroyed - although we have done plenty ourselves in the last decade to help that along.
In that vein, I am not America First but I have never really been a very patriotic person. The American empire causes too much suffering around the world. It is not morally right to keep it going. The majority of Americans, even MAGA people that I personally know, really have no clue about what their country is doing in their name and that they should be ashamed of their country instead of thinking it's simple to just make it great again.
I agree that Trump really doesn't have the insight to see this problem and make the necessary changes to stop the machine. He has good instincts and knows how to handle people and negotiations, but it takes more than that to completely reshape the country so that it stops being the monster it's been since WWII. That's what I want, but it's not really what MAGA people want nor Trump want so all that is really happening is the descent of the Empire is just taking a little longer that it would have with a Dem president.
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Yes. The American middle class is basically gone. Most people live check to check. Companies hire illegal immigrants because they don't want to pay Americans a living wage. Our cities are riddled with crime and homeless people. Covid destroyed trust in the authorities. The idea that "things are too good" for the average American may have been true 15-20 years ago, but not anymore. Living standards have gone to shit.
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