New years eve sexual assaults in Cologne - a psyop?

[Dirgni]

For me the New Years attacks are looking like they could be the German equivalent of "Charlie Hebdo" / "Paris attacks". Last year France, this year Germany. Only Russia is missing from "old Europe"? Things here in Germany are lot worse than last year IMO.

Those refugee Muslims are not the first ones in larger numbers in Germany. In about the 60's the guest workers came. Among them a lot of Muslim Turks. Some had difficulties integrating and kept a bit for themselves. Attacks to women from them were not heard back then.

The Octoberfest is a fair with many local and international guests. Rapers and other criminals there could be Germans or from other countries. Here in Southern Bavaria we hear about these rapes at Octoberfest occurring. 20 years ago you could go to the toilette normally and the worst thing that happened to you was a provisional public toilette you had to pay for. It seems to me that much more beer is consumed at the Octoberfest nowadays compared with back them. And the whole business starts already before noon and not in the afternoon like back then.

Rape / looting was always something the victors / psychopaths (+followers) did to the rest of the world - all over Europe as far as I know. It has a really long bad history / tradition over the generations since the very beginning of history. And I think we maybe should be very careful with finger-pointing to "groups". You have bad apples and decent people in each people IMO.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Oxajil]

Add to that possible agents provocateurs, already brewing right-wing movements (often with shady connections to powerful people) and you have a classic divide-and-conquer tactic.

Yes, and what is worrisome in the Netherlands at least is that the right-wing anti-Muslim political party has gained more popularity since the Cologne incident:

PVV reaches all time high in De Hond opinion poll

Geert Wilders’ anti-Islam PVV would win a record 41 seats in parliament if there were a general election tomorrow, according to a new online poll by Maurice de Hond. The poll, in the wake of the New Year attacks in Cologne, gives Wilders almost 29% of the vote and a long lead over the Christian Democrats on 19 seats and right-wing Liberal VVD on 18. The poll also shows that almost 25% of voters consider the refugee crisis will be crucial in the next general election, which is likely to take place in March 2017.

_http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/01/pvv-reaches-all-time-high-in-de-hond-opinion-poll/

Also, while of course it's legitimate to be outraged about this women-molesting incident in Cologne and other such incidents (no matter whether they are committed by Muslims or white people!), we should see this issue in a broader context. For example, one of the ugliest topics that nobody seems to really care for are the pedophile rings in 'high circles'. Then there's women trafficking, and the horrible, horrible porn and prostitution industry (did you know that the founder of PEGIDA had shady connections to the red light scene?). And there's the horrible porno-alization and sexualization of society which probably has a lot to do with how ugly women are treated, and these things are definitely NOT organized by Muslims!

I just would be careful with all those anti-Muslim stories out there ('You know what happened to XYZ? Listen to this story...' 'Did you know that they receive XYZ Euros cash, which they use to buy beer?' etc.), and it's really important these days not to fall for black-and-white thinking and imagining dividing lines that are just a distraction. It's not the immigrants. It's the psychopaths, whether Muslim or not.

Well said! If something is being hyped up in the mainstream media, always question it, and don't allow it to form an opinion for you.

 

[Ursus Minor]

To me, all these looks like stereotyping/generalisations. It clearly also sets the stage of us vs them. I think that there is some truth that a huge influx of refugees/migrants into any area leads to discord/friction with the local population. The issue is confounded when you add into the mix cultural/religious differences.

The whole narrative about moslem men running rampant in European cities robbing, assaulting and generally acting like barbarians/savages is dubious to me... Why were they not doing this in their home countries if it's so inherent in their nature?

Very good question. This is from an article in The Guardian from 2013:

80 sexual assaults in one day – the other story of Tahrir Square
Egypt's women increasingly at risk of rape and sexual assault as rights groups warn of a step up in attacks. [..] "Egypt is full of sexual harassment and people have become desensitised to it – but this is a step up," said Soraya Bahgat, a women's rights advocate and co-founder of Tahrir Bodyguard, a group that rescues women from assault. "We're talking about mob sexual assaults, from stripping women naked and dragging them on the floor – to rape."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/05/egypt-women-rape-sexual-assault-tahrir-square

The theory that people outside of Europe are all innately good and innocent (while all Europeans are innately racist, xenophobic and self-serving) doesn't seem to hold much water - or so it seems.

 

[Ursus Minor]

Taharrush gamea

A hashtag just like “taharrush gamea” has already begun popping up in social media – getting used for indignant posts decrying both the huge inflow of refugees or profane attitudes in the direction of ladies, with some saying the Cologne assaults “weren’t carried out by annoyed or drunken individuals, however by those that deliberate and elaborated it.”

“Taharrush gamea” is acknowledged in Egypt, the place it stands for “lighter” sexual abuse or gang rape. A current research suggests Egyptian crowds practiced “taharrush” in the course of the 2011 revolution that toppled then-President Hosni Mubarak, and it took extra violent types like rape throughout mass unrest in Tahrir Sq..

http://www.walzar.com/taharrush-gamea-comes-to-germany-police-fear-cologne-sex-abuse-may-be-imported-practice/

So it is merely a "game" people play in the Middle East. If you want cultural enrichment, be careful what you wish for.

 

[Solie123]

The theory that people outside of Europe are all innately good and innocent (while all Europeans are innately racist, xenophobic and self-serving) doesn't seem to hold much water - or so it seems.

I don't think anyone here is saying that Ursus Minor. No one is calming that all Arabs are good and all Europeans are bad... that's clearly not true. We have good and bad people everywhere, and I don't think any race is guiltier than any another.

To isolate these incidents and blast them on MSM in order to demonize a race just isn't right. It's a psyop.

http://www.wonderslist.com/10-countries-highest-rape-crime/

Top 10 Countries With Highest Rape Crime

10. Ethiopia
9. Sri Lanka
8. Canada
7. France
6. Germany
5. United Kingdom
4. India
3. Sweden
2. South Africa
1. United States

Rape, disrespect and misunderstanding of women is a global problem, it is not isolated to any particular region or it's people.

 

[Brewer]

Where do I start? I'm not going quote others text or argue individually with people, nor can I provide links at the moment. I doubt that links would matter anyway. After perusing responses to my post I have this to say.

According to one reply I've fallen to the anti islam propaganda. I've almost 30 years experience living, working and knowing followers of the islamic program. I've been invited to convert, offered wives if I do, have had lapsed moslems as friends who wished they weren't born moslem. I've broken bread, been drunk, partied and had the most amazing time with human beings that happen to be born into this most devastating program. I learnt so much from them and as The Cs say and I say that with all due respect. Knowledge protects..

Geert Wilders. Search for him on the entire forum, he barely appears and he's got psycho tendencies if he does. Has Geert ever threatened to kill anyone? Has he called for the extermination of moslems? Ayaan Hirsi Ali barely appears on this forum too, she was born into and suffered what the program has to offer, she is now an apostate, and can legally be be killed according to sharia law. They both see islam for what it is, a fascist program.

Thats all for now, Knowledge Protects

 

[Alana]

Where do I start? I'm not going quote others text or argue individually with people, nor can I provide links at the moment. I doubt that links would matter anyway. After perusing responses to my post I have this to say.

According to one reply I've fallen to the anti islam propaganda. I've almost 30 years experience living, working and knowing followers of the islamic program. I've been invited to convert, offered wives if I do, have had lapsed moslems as friends who wished they weren't born moslem. I've broken bread, been drunk, partied and had the most amazing time with human beings that happen to be born into this most devastating program. I learnt so much from them and as The Cs say and I say that with all due respect. Knowledge protects..

Geert Wilders. Search for him on the entire forum, he barely appears and he's got psycho tendencies if he does. Has Geert ever threatened to kill anyone? Has he called for the extermination of moslems? Ayaan Hirsi Ali barely appears on this forum too, she was born into and suffered what the program has to offer, she is now an apostate, and can legally be be killed according to sharia law. They both see islam for what it is, a fascist program.

Thats all for now, Knowledge Protects

Brewer, no one around here is for defending Islam (or Christianity or any other mainstream religion for that matter), nor is anyone going to argue with you about the goodness or badness of any ethnic group. I think that the misunderstanding here arose because it seems that you might have arrived late to the conversation. We have been talking about all these for a while, and we saw events like this coming. Just by watching what was going on with the NATO wars in the Middle East and North Africa, anyone could foresee the wave of war refugees forming (wait until you see the upcoming wave of climate refugees... but that's another story).

Ok, given, I come from a family who experienced what being a refugee is like, and my heart is always with people who have to leave their houses, belongings and loved ones because bombs are following them or starvation is killing them or there are no prospects for making ends meet (as is the case where economic wars are being waged, like in Greece). And I don't feel that I have to curb my humanity or compassion for the majority of these people even if the facts on the ground show that external forces (USA, Turkey, etc) are using the refugee crisis in Europe to destroy it from within - especially Germany. So when I see all this hype of anti-refugee emotion being unleashed around Europe because of the events in Cologne - which I think are probably fabricated, exaggerated or orchestrated with some agent provocateurs in the mix - I can see where this is going. I think most of us here do, and that's what everyone here is trying to tell you. We see the signature of the creators of chaos in these events, instilling hatred and division among the people and this time around using Muslim people as the scapegoat (before it was the Jews, or the witches, or the communists, etc etc).

If there are men who did rape women during the events, they should be deported (if foreign) or put in jail (if local). The "all muslims are rapists and we are not safe when they live among us" perspective is not only not true, but it is not going to help any. This anti-muslim hysteria is only going to fuel the division and the collapse of Europe faster. At least that's what I am seeing.

 

[Andrian]

Justice Minister Heiko Maas said in an interview that according to him this was an organized event, and the date was picked intentionally, don't think that when he said that the event was organized he meant organized by western intelligence agencies(CIA, BND, Mossad, Nato's gladiators), more like, that there were involved ISIS rapists, though he didn't mentioned any terrorist group which i found very interesting because, in this case what he said may be a subtle revelation that "someone" is behind these atrocities. I may be way off here, so excuse me for that.

(...) Germany's Justice Minister Heiko Maas told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper:

"No one can tell me that it wasn't coordinated and prepared. My suspicion is that this specific date was picked, and a certain number of people expected. This would again add another dimension [to the crimes]."

 

[luc]

Well said Alana.

Brewer, I apologize for coming across a bit rude, this topic is somewhat emotional for me. Sorry. And I can even understand some of the criticism towards "liberals" - just welcoming the refugees and pretending there are no problems and everything's great won't do it either.

I sometimes ask myself what Putin would do in such a situation? I think he would deal with it effectively: welcome the refugees, do the best he can to help them and offer them perspectives, while sending criminals back or to jail (as Alana said), adapting the laws accordingly if need be. And I have the feeling that at least to some extend, that is what the Merkel government is trying to do, but we need to understand that Germany is effectively US-occupied territory, with air bases, army bases and what have you and an almost complete control over the media since WWII. So there are different players involved probably. Interestingly, there is a huge campaign underway to oust Merkel right now...

You said that you have been in contact with Muslims - so have I, I met and worked with many Muslims, as well as Christians and Jews from many different backgrounds. And I can tell you that I met amazing and great people as well as complete scumbags from all groups, both religious with traditional backgrounds and 'modern' people having nothing to do with tradition and religion. In my experience, ethnicity, religion, background etc. just are no factors in determining the level of scumbagness :) Indeed, the many problems humanity faces that are discussed at length here on the forum - like narcissism, childhood programming, ponerization, wrong education, psychopathy, physical misery, emotional mayhem etc. - seem to transcend races and cultures. And I think it's these problems we have to think about and deal with, and not blame an extreme religious ideology (like Saudi-style Islam, which I think has spread thanks to Western interference) for our problems or even identifying one third of the world's population (Muslims) with such a crazy ideology. At least, that is how I see it right now.

 

[luke wilson]

The thinking process is as follows in my eyes

- You know some people who are muslim who essentially think its a fascist program
- Arrival of Muslim refugees in a town you lived in coincided with increased crime
- Muslims assaulted a woman you knew
- Muslims were responsible for the Cologne assaults

Therefore, in general, muslims are bad!

Ok,

- Christians are responsible for NATO war aggression that has lead to millions of deaths.
- Christians are responsible for fascist economic system (liberal capitalism) that robs from the poor to give to the rich.
- Christians are responsible for a whole load of gun crime in the US.
- Historically, christians were essentially responsible for genocide on a planetary level, from the Indians in the Americas to the indigenous in the pacific island. Not to mention slavery on a scale beyond imagining.

Maybe you've suffered some injustice yourself at the hands of a Christian e.g. Mugged, made redundant, assaulted etc or you know someone who has?

So I don't know about you, I bloody hate, Muslims, christians plus don't even get me started on atheists/materialists... Fascists everywhere...

Under what bracket do you fall Brewer?

 

[Windmill knight]

Justice Minister Heiko Maas said in an interview that according to him this was an organized event, and the date was picked intentionally, don't think that when he said that the event was organized he meant organized by western intelligence agencies(CIA, BND, Mossad, Nato's gladiators), more like, that there were involved ISIS rapists, though he didn't mentioned any terrorist group which i found very interesting because, in this case what he said may be a subtle revelation that "someone" is behind these atrocities. I may be way off here, so excuse me for that.

(...) Germany's Justice Minister Heiko Maas told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper:

"No one can tell me that it wasn't coordinated and prepared. My suspicion is that this specific date was picked, and a certain number of people expected. This would again add another dimension [to the crimes]."

Interesting. Another thing to consider is that people holding the status of refugees would naturally want to not attract the attention of the authorities until their situation is resolved and they are fully recognized as residents. This does not exclude that some of them will commit crimes or go crazy, as there will always be criminals among all groups of people. But to have a whole bunch of them intentionally conspiring against the population they want to fit in when the possibility is in question, seems a lot like shooting themselves in their collective foot, which I find rather hard to believe. It comes as a very convenient argument to be used against refugees in general, and as usual we have to wonder who benefits.

In the end what should be done is quite simple: those who are guilty should be punished and those who are innocent should be protected, regardless of their legal status, ethnicity or religion.

 

[Windmill knight]

The theory that people outside of Europe are all innately good and innocent (while all Europeans are innately racist, xenophobic and self-serving) doesn't seem to hold much water - or so it seems.

I don't think anyone here is saying that Ursus Minor. No one is calming that all Arabs are good and all Europeans are bad... that's clearly not true. We have good and bad people everywhere, and I don't think any race is guiltier than any another.

To isolate these incidents and blast them on MSM in order to demonize a race just isn't right. It's a psyop.

http://www.wonderslist.com/10-countries-highest-rape-crime/

Top 10 Countries With Highest Rape Crime

10. Ethiopia
9. Sri Lanka
8. Canada
7. France
6. Germany
5. United Kingdom
4. India
3. Sweden
2. South Africa
1. United States

Rape, disrespect and misunderstanding of women is a global problem, it is not isolated to any particular region or it's people.

Good point Solie. I am reminded of the cases of gang rapes in colleges in the US that are not prosecuted because the perpetrators have some social status. Seen from the outside, some people might think it's "merely a 'game' people play in the US". But we know better than to hold on to such opinion.

 

[Oxajil]

Geert Wilders. Search for him on the entire forum, he barely appears and he's got psycho tendencies if he does. Has Geert ever threatened to kill anyone? Has he called for the extermination of moslems?

He surely has psycho tendencies and no he hasn't threatened to kill anyone, but that's not really the point. He is a useful puppet to divide and conquer the people. He riles people up in a negative way. Have you ever heard or seen what some PVV (his political party) supporters say regarding refugees/Muslims? That the government should get rid of them, and they don't always mean it by way of deporting them... Like Alana said it's not really about defending Islam or not, it's partly about the hatred and fear that is being fueled and used to control the minds of the people. I would be more worried about a fascist government!

 

[Windmill knight]

The consequences:
http://www.dw.com/en/police-cologne-gangs-attack-foreigners/a-18970561

http://news.sky.com/story/1620507/mob-attacks-migrants-in-cologne-amid-tensions

The first article says:

According to police in the western German state of North Rhine-Westphalia, a group of about 20 people attacked six Pakistanis on Sunday evening, near Cologne's central train station. Two of the victims were reportedly taken to hospital.

Shortly after the first attack, a similar incident unfolded when a 39-year-old Syrian national was assaulted by a group of five people. Police said they were investigating grievous bodily harm, but could not confirm whether either of the attacks was racially motivated. It was also not initially clear whether the two were linked.

'Human hunt'

Cologne tabloid "Express" reported on Monday that a group of "bikers, hooligans and bouncers" had used Facebook to plan a "human hunt" to "clean up" Cologne's city center. Early on Monday, a police spokesperson was unable to confirm the reports.

On Sunday afternoon, police had received tipoffs about "groups," which were "specifically looking for provocation," police said. Officers were deployed in the city center and Cologne's "Altstadt" quarter in large numbers. As the result of several identity checks, four people were briefly detained, reported a police spokesman. Whether they were among the attackers is yet to be determined. Two people also faced criminal charges.

"Human hunt"?? :(

 

[Scottie]

If there are men who did rape women during the events, they should be deported (if foreign) or put in jail (if local). The "all muslims are rapists and we are not safe when they live among us" perspective is not only not true, but it is not going to help any. This anti-muslim hysteria is only going to fuel the division and the collapse of Europe faster. At least that's what I am seeing.

The above is what people should be saying and thinking, but it's not.

I think it's handy to remember that when you dig into events like refugees, revolutions, and war in general over the past century or so, it quickly becomes clear that there is always more to it than meets the eye.

Mubarak and Egypt are a good example. Was Mubarak a nasty guy? It sure looks like it! Then there was a revolution. Right there, you have to stop. If a psychopathic regime was in power, and was about to lose that power, what would they do? Well, they might try to "remind the people why they need us!" Also, many Western nations (particularly the USA) have had no qualms about funding and arming and fully supporting psycho dictators in many countries around the world. So: Were there other powers who wanted Mubarak to stay in power, so THEY tried to "remind the people why they need Mubarak"?

Agents provocateurs, false flags, and that kind of thing are the way these things are done. The whole point is to make everyone think that it's the Guys Over There who are the problem. This naturally leads to divisions.

As for Syria, well, who went in and tried to overthrow Assad and bombed the crap out of the country? If I lived there, I'd run like hell, too. That doesn't automatically mean all refugees from Syria are good people, but it also doesn't mean they're all bad. Naturally, there are psychos among them, as with every other population group.

And then, if I'm a Western power who wants to see Syria collapse and simultaneously screw up Europe, well heck! What an opportunity! I'll just slip some of my guys (and other guys that my guys have "trained") into the mix, and boom! Total chaos, and everybody remembers why they need evil bastards in power! All that is required is for the people to stop thinking, be terrified, and hate the Other People. Case closed.

The problem, obviously, is that when one goes against the mainstream interpretation of events, it appears that one is "supporting the bad guys". That's overly simplistic and terribly naive. The "bad guys" are the ones who are trying to stir everybody up against each other in order to create chaos - to which they of course have the solution: More fear! More security! Yay, fascism!

Even then, it's not so simple...

Given that countries like the US love to invade other nations, overthrow governments, and kill innocent people, it's not too hard to imagine that there ARE many people who are seriously pissed off. IOW, there are "real terrorists". But again, it's not so simple... If you're an Iraqi or whatever who wants revenge on America, how will you be funded? Where do you get your guns and bombs and pickup trucks? There are probably several sources, but I would bet my bottom dollar that the same alphabet soup agencies and "military advisers" that were involved in destroying your country would be more than happy to fund and arm you now... Just as long as you play ball by committing terror attacks and therefore "justifying" more of the same lockdown and division tactics.

So, there are refugees. At least 6% are psychopaths, just like the general population. Throw in real terrorists. Add a dash of agents provocateurs... And you have a recipe for current events. All it takes is for some of the people to do evil, and ALL of them will become guilty in the fearful eyes of everyone else.

That's an understandable response, but it doesn't take into account the complexities of the situation. It is also the path towards the people sacrificing all liberties in exchange for security.

IOW, first they tell us the terrorists are fascists who want to kill us all and institute an Islamic Dictatorship across the whole world. But in the end, what ends up happening? We "vote" for OUR fascist leaders to institute the same kind of harsh dictatorship because we took the bait, and we're afraid.

Who benefits? Certainly not the terrorists... And definitely not us.