mugacoffee
Jedi Master
Yeah that's why it's a bit weird. There's an interesting discussion about it here
Nick Fuentes, from troll king to... leader of a true 'America First' movement?
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I think asking about Nick Fuentes is a good idea, given his popularity and how many young men find solace in his rhetoric.
I became aware of Nick Fuentes recently, and after looking into him and the allegations against him, I don't think that not getting arrested on J6 makes him a fed. From what I could gather, he knows the law well enough or receives advice on how to legally proceed on his shows but also in events like Unite the Right Rally or J6, in a way that comes a hair close to being procecuted... but not really. He still operates within what the law allows. Is he a fed? He might be. But he might also be just a charming young lad with a radical message sandwiched in some truths (as in a certain Adolf?!) that appeals to other young western males who feel noone else has their back in today's world. Which is also true.
From the little I saw of him (because I can't stand him in larger doses), I think he has espoused an oversimplistic, almost schizoidal, view of the world which he then promotes to his fanbase. Sure, you scratch a world-evil you find a jew behind it, but it's not "every jew is behind every world evil". That is a nuance in thinking that he is lacking. I was telling some friends recently, half jocking and half serious, that, whether he knows it or not, he is being funded by Zionists
Anyway, back to your question mugacoffee, "if Nick Fuentes did a deal with the FBI", I think we can come up with a cleaner-of-assumptions one. Can somebody help me phrase this better? Something like:
Is Nick Fuentes (whether consciously aware of it or not) working for the powers that be?
Ricardo
The Living Force
fwiw . N. Fuentes interview with Mrs Candace , gave me the impression of him acting out programmed reactions rather than deliberate and chosen actions ,for example , in last part of the interview with him somewhat lashing out , but in short order the conversation moves on and there's no addressing it in a meaningful way other than with some rather vacuous pleasantries being exchanged and not long after the interview ends. Which to be honest seemed like it was so the whole interview he had with her , him expounding shcizoidal viewpoints and a mechanical reaction in defending them (imo)
Personally, I'd like to know if he is a conscious agent or not, since that was Tucker's claim- that he's a fed.
If he's not a consious agent, he could be like any other influencer who has blind spots, wrong beliefs and personality defects/ disorders.
Practically speaking, the outcome of the Nick Fuentes/ America First movement might be the same either way - chaos, division, or even revolution and I still wouldn't take what he says at face value. But rather than being an ignorant, misguided individual he could have negative intentions and it could indicate what the PTB's agenda is.
There is also the slim possibility that he is being blackmailed to work for them.
If he's not a consious agent, he could be like any other influencer who has blind spots, wrong beliefs and personality defects/ disorders.
Practically speaking, the outcome of the Nick Fuentes/ America First movement might be the same either way - chaos, division, or even revolution and I still wouldn't take what he says at face value. But rather than being an ignorant, misguided individual he could have negative intentions and it could indicate what the PTB's agenda is.
There is also the slim possibility that he is being blackmailed to work for them.
I just find it hard to believe that him encouraging people on J6 to disregard the police and storm the capital would go unpunished, especially for someone openly anti-Israel with a huge plaform. Then again, maybe the PTB want to leave him alone, since him and all his followers are essentially anti-women and anti-Trump - helping serve other agendas.I think asking about Nick Fuentes is a good idea, given his popularity and how many young men find solace in his rhetoric.
I became aware of Nick Fuentes recently, and after looking into him and the allegations against him, I don't think that not getting arrested on J6 makes him a fed. From what I could gather, he knows the law well enough or receives advice on how to legally proceed on his shows but also in events like Unite the Right Rally or J6, in a way that comes a hair close to being procecuted... but not really. He still operates within what the law allows. Is he a fed? He might be. But he might also be just a charming young lad with a radical message sandwiched in some truths (as in a certain Adolf?!) that appeals to other young western males who feel noone else has their back in today's world. Which is also true.
From the little I saw of him (because I can't stand him in larger doses), I think he has espoused an oversimplistic, almost schizoidal, view of the world which he then promotes to his fanbase. Sure, you scratch a world-evil you find a jew behind it, but it's not "every jew is behind every world evil". That is a nuance in thinking that he is lacking. I was telling some friends recently, half jocking and half serious, that, whether he knows it or not, he is being funded by Zionists
Anyway, back to your question mugacoffee, "if Nick Fuentes did a deal with the FBI", I think we can come up with a cleaner-of-assumptions one. Can somebody help me phrase this better? Something like:
Is Nick Fuentes (whether consciously aware of it or not) working for the powers that be?
Seato
Jedi Master
Thanks for linking this article fabric.
If anyone hasn’t already looked at it Chris Brunets’ article is a very lengthy 33,000-word breakdown of Brunets investigation into Fuentes.
Extract from Brunet’s introduction.
I finally got around to looking through it and I didn’t even get a quarter of the way through before I began feeling very sickened at what I was reading. It seems very damming and disturbing to me.
Reading how he nurtures and plays into his own cult and history/nature of the sexual scandals I got the impression that Fuentes is a very power obsessed person. I suppose if Fuentes genuinely believes all the ideology he espouses that just makes it easier for him. Though there are reasons to doubt his commitment to some of his ideology, as apparently the Israeli citizen Michael Zimmerman had a heavy role in establishing Fuentes' website back when he was being more heavily censored.
It seems unfortunately that the heavy anti men propaganda common these days is positioning young men to be groomed by figures like Fuentes and the forces behind him. Who seems to promote a demeaning view of women to say the least.
Another problem it makes me consider is the overuse of the term alt-right and extremism by the media may be causing the threat of actually dangerous people and groups to be overlooked by the public.
Fuentes is such a charming character:
SlipNet
The Living Force
And this "Destiny" character has been shilling for Israel these last 2 years. I suppose sexual predilections trump politics in the warped mind of Fuentes. I knew he was a dodgy person right away. Why on earth do so many people get fooled, again and again and again, by the same old shit by the same old pathological types? If the universe is a school, then a whole load of peeps are gonna fail graduation day....
Phill4
The Living Force
Been seing his reporting on the shooter in Mineapolis. His analysis was as per usual underwhelming. And dismissive of Candace for the sake of being a contrarian and salty. My opinion
Turns out there is a surveilance technology ready to go after today (2 days after the shooting)
An israeli - AI powered - surveilance technology that is supposed to analyze posts and find " terroristic patterns in social media" ready to be rolled out!
So the series of events is as follows:
We have a "tans" shooter, with a very well crafted, well polished manifesto and high quality video documenting his supposed intentions.
Then the shooting
Then an israeli company with a software ready to be rolled out 2 days after the shooting
"But the shooter said he hates jews"
Yeah he also wrote he hates pedos yet he shoots children. OBVIOUSLY this is to mud the waters and gain distance
Obviously it's too polished of an attempt to mud the waters by naming a bunch of organizations and ideologies in the guns even contradicting ones.
This post has more to do with the shooter. But being that im seeing more and more of Grift Fuentes everywhere, i saw his take and it was dishonest
He is saying it is mental illness because it doesn't help his narrative of white supremacy and black culture being annoying and the problem.
2 things can be true at once , and no i don't believe it is a white issue. I believe it is a deepstate , MK Ultra issue. But that's the level of conversation and distracting narrative people love to dwell in with out any effective solution, so there
Turns out there is a surveilance technology ready to go after today (2 days after the shooting)
An israeli - AI powered - surveilance technology that is supposed to analyze posts and find " terroristic patterns in social media" ready to be rolled out!
So the series of events is as follows:
We have a "tans" shooter, with a very well crafted, well polished manifesto and high quality video documenting his supposed intentions.
Then the shooting
Then an israeli company with a software ready to be rolled out 2 days after the shooting
"But the shooter said he hates jews"
Yeah he also wrote he hates pedos yet he shoots children. OBVIOUSLY this is to mud the waters and gain distance
Obviously it's too polished of an attempt to mud the waters by naming a bunch of organizations and ideologies in the guns even contradicting ones.
This post has more to do with the shooter. But being that im seeing more and more of Grift Fuentes everywhere, i saw his take and it was dishonest
He is saying it is mental illness because it doesn't help his narrative of white supremacy and black culture being annoying and the problem.
2 things can be true at once , and no i don't believe it is a white issue. I believe it is a deepstate , MK Ultra issue. But that's the level of conversation and distracting narrative people love to dwell in with out any effective solution, so there
It's unavoidable at this point. Nick Fuentes is just 26 years old and has already, for years, been the most banned voice in the USA - even earlier, and even more so, than Alex Jones, who was already a household name by the time the censorship machine kicked into gear against him - but his content is nonetheless among the most-discussed in American political/social commentary online. (That I can see anyway - which may just be a reflection my 'social media feed/bubble'!)
The closest precedent/comparison I can think of - in terms of his fearlessness about publicly broaching The Topic (namely, race, and, more specifically, Jewish power), and thus becoming vilified as "the worst of the worst," is David Duke, but he is mild-mannered and circumspect, which Nick Fuentes most certainly is not.
Fuentes is, of course, long-since banned from YouTube, yet content about "the latest thing Fuentes said on his Rumble show" is pulling in millions of views daily. Recent example: a Black (gay?) 'conservative influencer' type commenting on Fuentes' rant about how "everyone is sick of Black people," and wholeheartedly agreeing:
Whatever about finding success in the post-2016 Culture War polemics by being... highly polemical - an easy winning formula we've seen LOTS of influencers do... the turning point for Fuentes was clearly October 7th, after which his shtick about "the workings and excesses of Jewish influence in the USA and globally," including a pinpoint accurate prediction, made on or about October 7th 2023, for what Israel would do with "its 9/11," strongly resonated with a mass audience.
It's this specific niche that makes Fuentes stand out from the background Culture War, which has apparently satisfied the imperial strategy of 'divide-and-conquer', whereby we see Palestinian and LGBT flags on one side, and nationalist and Israeli flags on the other. If you're anti-immigration, you're pro-Israel, and if you're pro-Palestinian, you're 'woke'. Fuentes breaks through that 'neat' but deadly bifurcation.
The bratty "Groyper* cult leader" and "psychopathic troll rat," as Jordan Peterson called him, has largely given way to a more mature articulation of social and international issues. I say "largely" because he's still young and still prone to being provocative for provocation's sake, but he seems serious about outflanking Trump's MAGA movement with a "true America First movement."
[ *Groyper just means online follower/fan of Nick Fuentes]
The closest precedent/comparison I can think of - in terms of his fearlessness about publicly broaching The Topic (namely, race, and, more specifically, Jewish power), and thus becoming vilified as "the worst of the worst," is David Duke, but he is mild-mannered and circumspect, which Nick Fuentes most certainly is not.
Fuentes is, of course, long-since banned from YouTube, yet content about "the latest thing Fuentes said on his Rumble show" is pulling in millions of views daily. Recent example: a Black (gay?) 'conservative influencer' type commenting on Fuentes' rant about how "everyone is sick of Black people," and wholeheartedly agreeing:
Whatever about finding success in the post-2016 Culture War polemics by being... highly polemical - an easy winning formula we've seen LOTS of influencers do... the turning point for Fuentes was clearly October 7th, after which his shtick about "the workings and excesses of Jewish influence in the USA and globally," including a pinpoint accurate prediction, made on or about October 7th 2023, for what Israel would do with "its 9/11," strongly resonated with a mass audience.
It's this specific niche that makes Fuentes stand out from the background Culture War, which has apparently satisfied the imperial strategy of 'divide-and-conquer', whereby we see Palestinian and LGBT flags on one side, and nationalist and Israeli flags on the other. If you're anti-immigration, you're pro-Israel, and if you're pro-Palestinian, you're 'woke'. Fuentes breaks through that 'neat' but deadly bifurcation.
The bratty "Groyper* cult leader" and "psychopathic troll rat," as Jordan Peterson called him, has largely given way to a more mature articulation of social and international issues. I say "largely" because he's still young and still prone to being provocative for provocation's sake, but he seems serious about outflanking Trump's MAGA movement with a "true America First movement."
[ *Groyper just means online follower/fan of Nick Fuentes]
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The guy and his followers are not what I would care to be associated with. And that's probably the whole point of his existence as a political commentator. We're all guilty by association if we share any views with this guy. But even without all that, some of his views are horribly misguided and ideological and he's just repulsive to me in his delivery and personality. If he's the best America first alternative to the zionist maga movement, then the US is truly done for.
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Here's Ana Kasparian's (12 min) video on the convenient and ready to go software.
I think the dangerous idea here is anyone can be arrested at anytime, without having done anything. And the optics would look like: well they got one before they went nuts and hurt someone...good.
I think the dangerous idea here is anyone can be arrested at anytime, without having done anything. And the optics would look like: well they got one before they went nuts and hurt someone...good.
I don't see him having matured or changed much at all. I'm not sure he ever will. He's an inveterate "shit poster". He seems to have decided that if he has to "censor" himself in any way - which in his mind includes not being an asshole to people he could be 'friends' with and who could increase his audience - he's not interested.
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