Non duality

[bozadi]

Although in the above quote Maharaj might seem to favor "Service to Self" over "Service to Others" as defined in the R&C cosmology, this is a deceptive appearance as might be understood from the rest of the quote.

He clarifies elsewhere:

Replace self-love by love of the Self and the picture changes.

His expression "Love of the Self" seems to be the basis of STO as far as I can say. I mean, STO beings' love for "others" is not really for "others", it is for the Self. To them, there are no "others", only the Self, I suppose (at least beginning with 5D, which is nondual).

I want to attract attention to his statement:

Your love of others is the result of self-knowledge, not its cause.

I believe this is synonymous with the C's statement:

...this has been corrupted when it is said that love leads to illumination.

Although in some dialogues he says he doesn't see any evil person, this is not from the point of our 3D reality, of course. It's rather like the "Law of One":

The Law is One. There are no mistakes.

So, some of his teaching is apparently incompatible with the C's material but I think this doesn't make it valueless. Elsewhere, Maharaj does talk about "evil" as a fact, from our point of view. And, vice versa, the C's themselves sometimes encourage us to question good and evil. So, this is about the "multidimensionality" of reality.

 

[Alejo]

We have an abundant, even infinite, potential of positivity/being, but we have great difficulty in manifesting that in our lives because we are under a great negative (STS) oppression. And this is often facilitated by our own STS identity, or false self, ego. And nonduality is all about recognizing and gradually eliminating the false self. But “3D thinking” or body-centricity feeds the false self, and delays “waking up from the nightmare”, so to speak. This is what I diagnose in myself and what I try to heal. Of course, I can very possibly have significant misunderstandings about these all.

But then there's the fact that there is a purpose to forgetting about our connectedness with all, and I daresay that the purpose of it may be to undergo certain experiences that are only possible by living in a reality that tends towards 3D thinking exclusively.

And also, sometimes spending too much time focusing on this oneness, might be a way in which the very ego convinces itself of its specialness, while ignoring the feet on the ground reality and avoiding the experiences that one's soul came to experience. Like, it can be a form of escapism.

 

[bozadi]

But then there's the fact that there is a purpose to forgetting about our connectedness with all, and I daresay that the purpose of it may be to undergo certain experiences that are only possible by living in a reality that tends towards 3D thinking exclusively.

Yes, but you'll also remember that the C's have always been encouraging us to minimize or stop 3D-thinking. Also, the "veil" is to be "broken", not be "cherished", right?

At least you should by now know that it is the soul that matters, not the body. Others have genetically, spiritually and psychically manipulated/engineered you to be bodycentric. Interesting, as despite all efforts by 4th through 6th density STO, this "veil remains unbroken."

A: Yes. All of that was created and spread by pathological types under the influence of their hyperdimensional masters for the purpose of turning this planet into a "hell on earth" with them as the masters. They have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. What is needed is for many people to begin to make direct connections with their higher centers. This has been done via the "work" up to now, but there are other methods to accelerate the process and obtain the needed assistance.

And also, sometimes spending too much time focusing on this oneness, might be a way in which the very ego convinces itself of its specialness, while ignoring the feet on the ground reality and avoiding the experiences that one's soul came to experience. Like, it can be a form of escapism.

Rather than the elusive concept of oneness, I often prefer to take "positivity" into primary consideration. I find no serious potential for an "egotistical feeling of specialness" in this regard, the problem is more about suffering too much negativity.

Q: (T) I have positive emotions and I have negative emotions; they both make up who I am.

A: If you choose, you may have only positive emotions.

Q: (T) Now, if I have only positive emotions, which is a nice thing to have and I'd like to have that, what does that do to the sensor equipment of the Lizzies?

A: Cancels them.

Q: (T) So they are tuned to negative frequencies?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Having positive feelings cuts off the implants. If I cut off the sensors by having positive feelings, what will the Lizards do?

A: Go elsewhere.

Q: (L) Am I correct in my thought that when you first start turning this off that they may increase their efforts for a period and then finally they realize that you are really in charge here and then they go away?

A: Exactly.

Once emotions have been used positively, progress to 4th density STO is possible.

A: Laura you will feel the effect of the Lizard beings desperate push for total control no matter where you go.

Q: (L) That is inexpressibly depressing. Do you understand?

A: Why? Change will follow.

Q: (L) Will it follow soon?

A: You are slipping a bit. Refer to Literature "Bringers of the Dawn". Challenge will be ecstasy if viewed with proper perspective which is not, we repeat: not of third level reality, understand?
...
Q: (L) What do you mean "Challenge will be ecstasy"? What sort of challenge?

A: Living through the turmoil ahead.
...
Q: (L) Oh, I don't want to suffer!

A: You need not suffer. Stop thinking 3rd level.

Q: (T) Okay, and you said that the Lizzies feed on the negative energy?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Who feeds on the positive energy?

A: You do.

Q: (T) How do we feed on the positive energy?

A: Progression toward union with the one, I.E. level 7.

 

[Alejo]

Yes, but you'll also remember that the C's have always been encouraging us to minimize or stop 3D-thinking. Also, the "veil" is to be "broken", not be "cherished", right?

I'm not sure it is "meant" to be broken, I think it's more of a natural function of awareness, this veil thins, and this awareness can sometimes be painful and be acquired after experiencing negativity, the key in my view is not to remain fixated upon the suffering, but suffering is necessary in a lot of cases to awaken to different levels of awareness. Acknowledging the vehicles we inhabit in 3D and the laws that govern it, isn't the same as embracing the veil, OSIT.

Feeling oneness with existence wouldn't prevent one from stepping out of the rain for instance, or moving out of the way of an stampeding elephant, the following story kind of illustrates my point:

In a forest there lived a holy man who had many disciples. One day he taught them to see God in all beings and, knowing this, to bow low before them all. A disciple went to the forest to gather wood for the sacrificial fire. Suddenly he heard an outcry: 'Get out of the way! A mad elephant is coming!' All but the disciple of the holy man took to their heels. He reasoned that the elephant was also God in another form. Then why should he run away from it? He stood still, bowed before the animal, and began to sing its praises. The mahut of the elephant was shouting: 'Run away! Run away!' But the disciple didn't move. The animal seized him with its trunk, cast him to one side, and went on its way. Hurt and bruised, the disciple lay unconscious on the ground. Hearing what had happened, his teacher and his brother disciples came to him and carried him to the hermitage. With the help of some medicine he soon regained consciousness. Someone asked him, 'You knew the elephant was coming — why didn't you leave the place?' 'But', he said, 'our teacher has told us that God Himself has taken all these forms, of animals as well as men. Therefore, thinking it was only the elephant God that was coming, I didn't run away.' At this the teacher said: 'Yes, my child, it is true that the elephant God was coming; but the mahut God forbade you to stay there. Since all are manifestations of God, why didn't you trust the mahut's words? You should have heeded the words of the mahut God.'

In other words, one can have an awareness of the oneness, but one's feet, because of the choices one made in the context and place one occupies in this very oneness, should still be firmly planted on this very physical existence. That's why I don't think a veil is meant to be broken per se, the veil is there for a purpose and we chose to live behind that veil for that purpose, it's not embracing, it's recognizing reality, IMO. And that reality brings with it limitations, and we can indeed meditate toward higher realities, but we will come back to 3D reality eventually. At some point, a lot of meditation can turn into imagination.

I find no serious potential for an "egotistical feeling of specialness" in this regard, the problem is more about suffering too much negativity.

Not you perhaps, but I beg to differ, I think an overt focus on a thereafter in which one is nothing but positivity in union with the one, can lead one to disengage from reality, and can indeed lead, IMO, to a sense of feeling above others, or further along a path than others. Like I said, maybe not you particularly, but I can see how a person can feel more "special" because they feel "closer" to oneness.

As the C's have said, all there is is lessons, and without embracing this 3D course, we do have to finish it successfully, and part of this course is to experience reality with an apparent inescapable separateness from one another.

 

[bozadi]

I'm not sure it is "meant" to be broken

Considering the quotes I shared from the sessions, I believe it is clearly what is meant. But as it was also mentioned in one of them, “What is needed is for many people to begin to make direct connections with their higher centers.” So, this is mainly individual- and group-based. When a half of the population is OP and a significant part of the so-called “souled” ones are also under the strong influence of “3D (body-centric) thinking”, it’s obviously unrealistic to expect the veil to be broken at once for all.

I think it's more of a natural function of awareness, this veil thins, and this awareness can sometimes be painful and be acquired after experiencing negativity, the key in my view is not to remain fixated upon the suffering, but suffering is necessary in a lot of cases to awaken to different levels of awareness.

I haven’t said anything to the effect of “no suffering is necessary or beneficial”. But I think we’re “critically” supposed to recognize and stop our unnecessary sufferings. I believe the work on self is very intimately connected to this.

Q: (L) Oh, I don't want to suffer!

A: You need not suffer. Stop thinking 3rd level.

Q: (L) I don't want anybody I love to suffer either. I don't want any pain. I've suffered enough!

A: You are stuck at 3rd level tonight.

Q: (L) Well, that is the most comprehensive piece of physical advice they have ever given. (J) No kidding.

A: You are in pain, my dear, and when you hurt, all others do too!

Q: (L) Well, however things work, I don't really care right now. As soon as I can see again, I will get back to transcribing. I have sent some samples out to a couple of places. I have had some VERY positive responses...

A: Have fun!

Q: (L) What is that supposed to mean? I don't like the sound of that! The other day when you said 'celebrate!' all I did was suffer!

A: Stop suffering!

A: No. The fate of the universe can be altered negatively and many will suffer if you are out of the picture. That is what "they" want.

(L) If you look at it from a 4th density perspective, when something like the Black Death comes and there is global suffering - and when you read about it, the Black Death is just horrible - but if there was such suffering on our planet from something like that, 4D STS would be getting a rich feast of suffering which is what they feed on. So, an alien virus would be interactive with 4D reality by providing its food.

A: Close enough!

Q: (L) Are you saying that it's almost necessary for suffering to be even more widespread than it is for the changes to come?

A: Indeed, humanity will finally be united.

Q: (Perceval) Finally united in suffering?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) That's the only kind of unity possible? Great!

A: No, not the only kind possible.

Q: (L) In theory. But people can't get together because of all the problems we know about. So if they can't get together that way, they get together another way...

(Pierre) Yeah, if they can't get together in a positive way, like cooperating and working together, then they can get together the negative way.

(Perceval) They suffer together because of their ignorance.

(Galatea) Well, okay. Why did the psychic attack happen?

A: When you suffer, your mother suffers. All of you here may be targets for that reason as well as the fulfilling of your own missions. It is all related.

(Galatea) Do the Cs suffer?

A: Not as you understand it, but in empathy only.

Q: (L) I think I remember ya'll saying that when we suffer, you suffer. Is that it?

A: Yes

(Chu) And the problem is that we know that in order to grow, you must suffer, right? But in this case, it's not real suffering yet. Especially in the West, it's more like fear. The people who believe lies are just afraid to die. It's not real suffering caused by life experience. So, it's even harder to make a choice or grow from it.

(Joe) Yeah, but I think they're saying that humanity has one last chance to learn the truth and accept reality WITHOUT the mass suffering. If they don't take that one...

(L) Then they get the mass suffering, in spades most likely.

A: Yes

Q: (L) If they buy into this, the suffering is gonna intensify exponentially and failure and collapse will be reached rapidly.

A: Yes

Q: (Tristan) In the previous session it was mentioned that more people needed to be awakened, so that more opportunities could be created for the good guys to help. Are enough people being awakened on the planet?

A: Not nearly enough. More suffering needed unfortunately.

(T.C.) So before the program changed, people were going to have to suffer more in order to gain some necessary knowledge, but the program change will or has revealed things to people, which means they won't need to suffer as much to gain said knowledge?

A: Yes.

Feeling oneness with existence wouldn't prevent one from stepping out of the rain for instance, or moving out of the way of an stampeding elephant, the following story kind of illustrates my point:

In other words, one can have an awareness of the oneness, but one's feet, because of the choices one made in the context and place one occupies in this very oneness, should still be firmly planted on this very physical existence.

As I said before, the term “oneness”, as simple as it sounds, is actually very elusive in this discussion. Positivity is much more concrete. Those entities who act based on the principle of “oneness” are decidedly positive (STO) entities, and I shared many quotes from the C’s in which they indicated the vital importance of positivity, but you seem to have chosen to ignore these.

That's why I don't think a veil is meant to be broken per se, the veil is there for a purpose and we chose to live behind that veil for that purpose,

Again, you’re ignoring very specific and iterative C’s statements to the contrary. As a result, you end up sounding like a defender of “veil” and “3D thinking”. I don’t mean that I’ve overcome the veil and 3D thinking, I just say we’re very clearly encouraged to do so.

Others have genetically, spiritually and psychically manipulated/engineered you to be bodycentric. Interesting, as despite all efforts by 4th through 6th density STO, this "veil remains unbroken."

I want to attract your attention to the fact that we are at the very end of a great cycle, we’re at the threshold of 4D. Sure, this doesn’t mean that we should act like crazy, if that is what you warn against.

 

[Yas]

Again, you’re ignoring very specific and iterative C’s statements to the contrary. As a result, you end up sounding like a defender of “veil” and “3D thinking”. I don’t mean that I’ve overcome the veil and 3D thinking, I just say we’re very clearly encouraged to do so.

I don't think he sounds like that, perhaps it's only your impression because you are very attached to the idea of braking the veil.

If what you want to focus on is 'oneness', that's your call and your choice, but I agree with Alejo in that the veil has a purpose and we are where we are for a reason.

In more philosophical terms, I believe that for the universe and everything, including us, to exist, duality was necessary. It was an act of creation. For you to be able to experience life, there needed to be one and another that could reflect back. We are here in part to experience life, to learn and to reflect creation (the Cs also said we're consciousness units). In order to reflect creation in the best possible way, we need to see it closer to the truth, so I at least don't wish to shut down the part of reality that isn't 'positive'.

I know, you could argue that everything is ultimately positive but, at this level we experience things that are good and seem negative, and things that are bad that seem positive too. So what's your mesure of ultimate positivity and how do you know that what you experience as positive is what is good?

Another thing I wanted to say is that both STS and STO are parts of the creation and I don't think that you can experience oneness without seeing 'everything' (which doesn't seem feasible at our level anyway, but I'm just playing with idea), that is, if you only want to experience positivity, you will be shutting down a huge part of creation and you might feel good but it won't mean you experience the universe as it is.

That doesn't mean that we have to stay attached to suffering, I agree with you in that we have to work on ourselves to let go of a great deal of unnecessary suffering, but we shouldn't pretend that we're here to experience positivity only either.

 

[bozadi]

Alejo, I've found something in N. Maharaj's dialogues which might be rightly related to your objection to some of my suggestions.

Pain is the background of all your pleasures. You want them because you suffer. On the other hand, the very search for pleasure is the cause of pain. It is a vicious circle.

Yes, if the apparent progression towards more "positivity" is covertly based on an egotistical motivation for more "pleasure", then that's a significant problem. This would be a valuble discussion.

 

[bozadi]

If what you want to focus on is 'oneness', that's your call and your choice

No, I should obviously repeat, I want to focus more on "positivity", though not "exclusively", which would be unmeaningful and impossible anyway. I quoted many C's statements about the vital importance of positivity and this is also closely related to stopping unnecessary sufferings within the scope of the work on self.

I agree with Alejo in that the veil has a purpose and we are where we are for a reason.

I'm not sure but maybe there are different types of "veils", some of which are closer to what you defend. For instance, when we reincarnate, we forget our previous incarnations to a great extent, if not competely, and it's said, I think very rightly, that this forgetting is a natural and beneficial function of a "veil". I have no problem with that. So, there might be a conceptual confusion.

The veil I assume should be broken is "3D thinking" and/or "body-centricity" as I indicated in the quote from the C's, who obviously encourage us to break it by accessing our higher centers.

In more philosophical terms, I believe that for the universe and everything, including us, to exist, duality was necessary.

Sure. But do you think we will threaten to annihilate the universal principle of duality when we graduate to STO, in which, I suppose, we will be completely positive (not feeding any negative thought or emotion)? By the way, I'm aware that 51% (or some more) STO doesn't mean 100% pure positivity, which is probably attained in the "big-bang", but I think, nonetheless, 4D STO means leaving behind any and all negative thoughts or emotions. I can be wrong in this supposition, then I'd like to be corrected. Obviously, some 4D STO forces have wars with 4D STS, but I don't think this requires them to have any negative thought or emotion.

Yes, we're in 3D and negativity is a very big part of our experiential spectrum. But, obviously, the C's encourage us to get rid of negativity as much as possible "by learning". Most of our sufferings are caused by "ignorance", and knowledge, and especially self-knowledge, is supposed to counteract this.

So what's your mesure of ultimate positivity and how do you know that what you experience as positive is what is good?

You sound like this is unknowable. Then what's the point of knowledge and learning? This is not to close the issue. On the contrary, I'd like to discuss it very much because it sounds like a potentialy very valuable discussion on self-knowledge.

In order to reflect creation in the best possible way, we need to see it closer to the truth, so I at least don't wish to shut down the part of reality that isn't 'positive'.

Sure. For instance, the C's are perfectly "positive", especially compared to us, but they don't seem to shut down 'negativity'. I think they had said that positivity (being) could not be without the counterbalance of negativity (non-being). I have no problem with that. The will and the effort to be positive (to be more "oneself") doesn't need to have anything to do with a desire to annihilate the universal principle negativity.

I agree with you in that we have to work on ourselves to let go of a great deal of unnecessary suffering, but we shouldn't pretend that we're here to experience positivity only either.

Now it occurred to me that this is somewhat similar to the principle of using "the board". You know, some say "Don't even think about using it because then you'll be attracting evil forces". And there are indeed many situations in which the board is associated with a nasty experience with negative entities. But as the C's explained, in most situations probably, those entities were already there, you only attracted them to "show" themselves. I think the will for consciouss and profound experience of positivity, independent of 3D things, also makes one more able to distinguish whatever it is that blocks positivity. So, when one is sincere about positivity, the universe helps them to become aware of what is blocking it. And this experience itself can be nasty. As I had mentioned previously, probably in another thread, the more I concentrated on positivity, the more I became nervous, had even more frequent bursts of anger. This is a challenge, a fair one. This is just like "suffering", it can help one to face what one's doing wrong.

 

[bozadi]

Oh, I’ve noticed another potential for confusion of terms, although this is also covered above, indirectly maybe. Not to have any negative thought (as in 4D STO and above) doesn’t mean that the “subject/topic” of a thought cannot be negative/STS. Anything can be thought, but not “negatively”. We’ve learned so many things about STS manipulations and exploitations from 6D STO entities after all! I think the more positive one is, the more negativity one can deal with safely.

Apparently, negativity (thinking/doing something negatively) implies hurting/damaging oneself, primarily. This is one of the potential measures.

 

[Honzap]

This is good discussion.

With regards to positivity and negativity, one cannot exist without the other. We are in agreement.
The part that seem to be confusing is that polarity stops at 3D. It doesn`t. 4D has both and if what C`s have said is true it is possible in 4D an entity could change polarity from STS to STO in some cases. It is only logical to say the opposite is also possible. Like what happened to us only in one density lower (story of Eden). And it still doesn`t stop there. According to C`s 6D has STO, but in order to balance the positive aspect, some of the 6D STO have taken the role of STS there. Which means polarity (positivity and negativity) is a principle that goes throughout the universe.

Whether or not we are on the verge of 4D is questionable at best when half of the population of the planet is barely home in 3D (OPs). Yes end of grand cycle, but how many will mature enough to make the 4D? And when they do, not all will be STO, free will, remember? Even 3D STO candidate would be a success.

What @Yas and @Alejo are trying to convey is that there is a reason we have been born here, in this specific time and environment with its own "laws" and idiosyncrasies. Because our soul desired physical experiences which otherwise would be unobtainable. Our job is to figure them out and move on with better understanding and knowledge of reality.

Either way, since we are here, we should make the best out of it, because we may not get a second chance at this.
It is perfectly fine to have a positive outlook and see the good in things even if they may not appear that way. It certainly creates positive neuro pathways in our brains and moves us from a person who sees obstacles into true problem solvers. But we cannot forget that there are many faces of God, the good ones and those really ugly ones. Seeing all of them is the way to see reality in its wholeness. Where I am getting with this is that search for one-ness is a respectable goal, which unfortunaly cannot be quite achieved if we do not see what`s real in the first place.

 

[axj]

Where I am getting with this is that search for one-ness is a respectable goal, which unfortunaly cannot be quite achieved if we do not see what`s real in the first place.

In some ways only the core self is real and everything else is a part of the illusion through which we learn - a kind of feedback system for all the core selves in creation.

STS or evil is in particular has very little to do with what is ultimately real - it is very much a part of the illusion through which we learn. The C's have also mentioned that STS individuals cannot progress to 6D.

 

[bozadi]

The part that seem to be confusing is that polarity stops at 3D. It doesn`t.

Yes. In fact, it can even be said that the game of polarity begins properly with 4D after making the choice in 3D.

if what C`s have said is true it is possible in 4D an entity could change polarity from STS to STO in some cases. It is only logical to say the opposite is also possible.

Yes, from STS to STO. Although the C's say a 4D STO entity will not switch to STS due to the awareness, I don't think this is a "technical impossibility", just a profound choice. But considering that a wanderer (6D STO) can switch to "the dark side" in 3D, that's weird.

Like what happened to us only in one density lower (story of Eden)

What do you mean by "one density lower"? I think our density level hasn't changed; i.e. still 3D.

According to C`s 6D has STO, but in order to balance the positive aspect, some of the 6D STO have taken the role of STS there.

Honzap, this idea made me smile. I mean the role-switching. I don't remember this is said or implied in the R&C (Ra-Cassiopaean) cosmology. I suppose 6D STS beings are graduated from 5D STS. But I take these as some technical details, not of primary importance.

What @Yas and @Alejo are trying to convey is that there is a reason we have been born here, in this specific time and environment with its own "laws" and idiosyncrasies. Because our soul desired physical experiences which otherwise would be unobtainable. Our job is to figure them out and move on with better understanding and knowledge of reality.

Let's remember that this was essentially a "fall", from 3D STO to 3D STS (although proper polarity-based experience begins in 4D). We might have made our 3D curricular lessons much more difficult to complete, although I can't be much sure about this. Apparently we had significant problems about this in Eden too. Maybe the "suffering" inflicted by "the fall" might have made a vital "wake up" effect on some, which would otherwise be impossible? I don't know.

Our job is to figure them out and move on with better understanding and knowledge of reality.

Let me remind the following:

Q: (L) So, what is it that makes somebody weak?

A: Mostly ego.

(Ennio) Getting back to knowledge and communication... Is there any particular area of knowledge that people should be focusing on?

A: Self knowledge and ones own weaknesses.

So, I believe "the completion" of our 3D lessons has much to do with "self-knowledge". This is about facing our "false self", i.e., false ideas about what we are. But I certainly don't claim that the lore of "self-knowledge", in specific, is the only way to sense and get gradually closer to our true self. It can be a catalyst or not. Not indispensible. All the fields of awareness of our lives is about us, about "how we interact with God/all/one".

we cannot forget that there are many faces of God, the good ones and those really ugly ones. Seeing all of them is the way to see reality in its wholeness.

No doubt. And the more "positive" (STO) we are, the more "objective" we become.

 

[axj]

I suppose 6D STS beings are graduated from 5D STS.

It is interesting that in the very early sessions the C's talked about 6D STS beings, but then they said this later:

January 7, 1995

Q: (T) So 5th level is where they go to while waiting to go back to one of the 4 for their next incarnation?

A: Exactly.

Q: (T) That is why it's called the contemplation level. You go and think about what you have done. (T) What about souls on 6th density? (L) Are there 6th density STS beings?

A: No, when you get to 6th you no longer need to recycle.

Q: (L) But still, is there an STS experience at 6th density, like the 6th density Orions?

A: These are only reflections of individuals, not unified entities. These reflections exist for balance. They are not whole entities, just thought forms.

Q: (L) Are these 6th density beings what the Bible describes as a "gathering" of angels as in the story of Job where "Lucifer" came in before the Lord...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, there are STS and STO at 6th density which balance? And they are just there, they exist?

A: Reflection for balance.

Q: (L) Is there any kind of hierarchy to this thing? Do these beings come before some kind of "Grand Council" and make plans and discuss things, and make decisions and implement them?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, how do things happen? Do things just sort of happen as a natural interaction of things and energies?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) If we are on the 3rd density and you are working with us and we are striving to make 4th density, at the same time are you, at 6th density, striving to reach 7th?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is helping us, helping you to reach 7th density? (V) Are there others at higher densities working with you as you are working with us?

A: No, we all reach 7th level together.

Q: (L) So, in other words, you guys are trying to bring us up and everbody else is coming up, and when all the pieces are back together, we then go to 7th, is that it?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So that is your purpose in helping us?

A: It's a natural process.

Q: (T) Will our function be, when we are at 6th density, to help others on 3rd, as you are doing?

A: Yes. We are you in the future.

 

[bozadi]

In some ways only the core self is real and everything else is a part of the illusion through which we learn

Yes, Maharaj says the following in this regard:

M: To know itself, the self must be faced with its opposite — the not-self. Desire leads to experience. Experience leads to discrimination, detachment, self-knowledge — liberation. And what is liberation after all? To know that you are beyond birth and death. By forgetting who you are and imagining yourself a mortal creature, you created so much trouble for yourself that you have to wake up, like from a bad dream. Enquiry also wakes you up. You need not wait for suffering; enquiry into happiness is better, for the mind is in harmony and peace.

I think what Maharaj calls the "not-self" (false self, ego) refers to the identification with the illusion (matter/body).

STS or evil is in particular has very little to do with what is ultimately real - it is very much a part of the illusion through which we learn.

Agreed but obviously some of STS beings (4D and above) switch to STO eventually. So, compared to a morbid over-repetition of 3D, those STS beings who graduate to higher densities of STS to eventually pass to STO are in a better shape obviously. Theirs is less pathetic, I conclude.

The C's have also mentioned that STS individuals cannot progress to 6D.

Have they? Since Ra says some 5D STS entities graduate to 6D STS and even advance up to the mid-level of 6D in the STS mode (upon which they "see" what they failed to see before, and switch to STO, according to Ra), and since I don't remember the C's saying specifically that a 5D STS being cannot graduate to 6D, I naturally suppose 6D STS are graduated from 5D STS. But yes, I think the C's said that it's difficult or impossible to call the "entities" in 6D STS as actual beings. Even 5D STS is said to be very encapsulated. 6D is so close to 7D (pure positivity, pure being). What we know as "evil STS beings" (as in 3D, 4D, and 5D) is not possible in 6D, I suppose.

 

[bozadi]

It is interesting that in the very early sessions the C's talked about 6D STS beings, but then they said this later:

Yes, the C's say the entities/beings of 6D STS are not really "entities/beings" but I think they are still "something", and I think the C's don't specifically say that those "things" haven't graduated from 5D STS, would you agree?