No, of course. No necessity for “unnecessary” suffering.
To me, you’re inadvertently saying this: “Health” may get in the way of learning and overwhelm some individuals.
Non duality
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I tend to associate "the veil" with something much more sinister than missing a few inspiring synchronicities and signs. Like a deadly illusion, false self, imprisonment, enslavement, as the C's say.
Wandering Star
The Living Force
No.
It is impossible to explain better than the paragraph of Ra (Law of One) that I have contributed a few previous posts ago.
Debra
The Living Force
I’ve followed this delightful discussion, and even though I haven’t joined in earlier, would like to make a comment.
The subject of “duality” or non duality is 2nd Densitys reality, in my opinion.
Our Biological bodies are part of the planetary biological matrix, and the “Bodymind” runs on the planetary grid of duality, and shared with all of 2nd density critters, BUT... add in the higher human consciousness units, and that soul aspect, then, the goal is to fully integrate 3rd Density awareness.
That would then be attaining the “third state of being”, from my observations at this time.
The in between of duality, is an ability to over view, and choose the experience of “neutrality”.
Our Emotional responses and actions then become a conscious choice.
Hope that makes sense.
Perhaps reading this transcript may provide a few more hints and clues;
Here is a snip of the session linked above, mentioning this fascinating “third state”:
“Q: (L) Today is 28 May 2013. And we apparently have a bunch of questions written down here, and a lot of things on our minds. So I guess we might as well get started here. Hello.
A: New world coming.
...
A: Laura, my dear, if you really want to reveal "many beautiful and amazing things," all you need to do is remember the triad, the trilogy, the trinity, and look always for the triplicative connecting clue profile. Connect the threes... do not rest until you have found three beautifully balancing meanings!!
Q: So, in everything there are three aspects?
A: And why? Because it is the realm of the three that you occupy. In order to possess the keys to the next level, just master the Third Man Theme, then move on with grace and anticipation.
...
Q: (L) In the studies of the Triple Goddess, I came across some interesting things. You suggested that I should research the Third Man Theme. I have discovered that the origin of the word 'man' meant a female - the goddess. The oldest word for the male of the species was 'wer' as in 'werewolf.' So, the Third Man Theme could mean actually, the Triple Goddess. Am I correct?
A: Close, if viewed through "sheets of rain."
...
Q: (L) Okay, so going back to my triple goddess viewed through sheets of rain, since I now have a different understanding of what these "gods" and "goddesses" represented, that they probably were cometary bodies... What you're saying, or what I'm assuming you're saying, is the triple goddess viewed through sheets of rain is essentially a comet or comets? Is it electrical discharges? (Belibaste) The cause of the sheets of rain might be the triple goddess, i.e. triple comet. (L) Oh... Is Belibaste right on that? That the cause of the sheets of rain could be a triple cometary body?
A: Close. Also consider plasma shapes including those that may appear "chalice like".
...
A: Triple cycle veil of consciousness bodies.
Q: (Perceval) You asked! (L) I ain't openin' that can of worms! I’ve got other questions to ask. (Belibaste) There are three bodies? What are they? (Perceval) Triple cycle... (L) Triple cycle of what? (Belibaste) What are the three bodies?
A: Psychic/consciousness, genetic, high soul family.
...
(L) Okay, this is kind of shooting in the dark, but... Could it be that somebody who has some kind of genetic, or even an inner consciousness connection to like a negative or entropic entity could attract that sort of thing?
A: Yes.
Q: (Perceval) It's like an exorcism by lightning. (Belibaste) And actually we asked during the last session to what extent having this problem... how they attract these cosmic or electrical events. I think it was said it was partly electric, and partly other. I guess this consciousness connection is... (L) And while you could look at somebody on earth that didn't ask to be born this way, but the very fact that they were born and connected in some higher consciousness way to an overlord of entropy so to speak, is just kind of the way things are. Some animals are born lions, some crocodiles, some are dogs, some are cats. We are what we are. (Ark) Let me take opportunity to ask about ball lightning. Are they purely electric phenomena, or are they also related to consciousness or...?
A: Transdimensional portals made manifest.
Q: (Ark) Does it mean that the current theory of electromagnetism is really bad because it has nothing to do with transdimensionality?
A: Yes.”
The subject of “duality” or non duality is 2nd Densitys reality, in my opinion.
Our Biological bodies are part of the planetary biological matrix, and the “Bodymind” runs on the planetary grid of duality, and shared with all of 2nd density critters, BUT... add in the higher human consciousness units, and that soul aspect, then, the goal is to fully integrate 3rd Density awareness.
That would then be attaining the “third state of being”, from my observations at this time.
The in between of duality, is an ability to over view, and choose the experience of “neutrality”.
Our Emotional responses and actions then become a conscious choice.
Hope that makes sense.
Perhaps reading this transcript may provide a few more hints and clues;
Here is a snip of the session linked above, mentioning this fascinating “third state”:
“Q: (L) Today is 28 May 2013. And we apparently have a bunch of questions written down here, and a lot of things on our minds. So I guess we might as well get started here. Hello.
A: New world coming.
...
A: Laura, my dear, if you really want to reveal "many beautiful and amazing things," all you need to do is remember the triad, the trilogy, the trinity, and look always for the triplicative connecting clue profile. Connect the threes... do not rest until you have found three beautifully balancing meanings!!
Q: So, in everything there are three aspects?
A: And why? Because it is the realm of the three that you occupy. In order to possess the keys to the next level, just master the Third Man Theme, then move on with grace and anticipation.
...
Q: (L) In the studies of the Triple Goddess, I came across some interesting things. You suggested that I should research the Third Man Theme. I have discovered that the origin of the word 'man' meant a female - the goddess. The oldest word for the male of the species was 'wer' as in 'werewolf.' So, the Third Man Theme could mean actually, the Triple Goddess. Am I correct?
A: Close, if viewed through "sheets of rain."
...
Q: (L) Okay, so going back to my triple goddess viewed through sheets of rain, since I now have a different understanding of what these "gods" and "goddesses" represented, that they probably were cometary bodies... What you're saying, or what I'm assuming you're saying, is the triple goddess viewed through sheets of rain is essentially a comet or comets? Is it electrical discharges? (Belibaste) The cause of the sheets of rain might be the triple goddess, i.e. triple comet. (L) Oh... Is Belibaste right on that? That the cause of the sheets of rain could be a triple cometary body?
A: Close. Also consider plasma shapes including those that may appear "chalice like".
...
A: Triple cycle veil of consciousness bodies.
Q: (Perceval) You asked! (L) I ain't openin' that can of worms! I’ve got other questions to ask. (Belibaste) There are three bodies? What are they? (Perceval) Triple cycle... (L) Triple cycle of what? (Belibaste) What are the three bodies?
A: Psychic/consciousness, genetic, high soul family.
...
(L) Okay, this is kind of shooting in the dark, but... Could it be that somebody who has some kind of genetic, or even an inner consciousness connection to like a negative or entropic entity could attract that sort of thing?
A: Yes.
Q: (Perceval) It's like an exorcism by lightning. (Belibaste) And actually we asked during the last session to what extent having this problem... how they attract these cosmic or electrical events. I think it was said it was partly electric, and partly other. I guess this consciousness connection is... (L) And while you could look at somebody on earth that didn't ask to be born this way, but the very fact that they were born and connected in some higher consciousness way to an overlord of entropy so to speak, is just kind of the way things are. Some animals are born lions, some crocodiles, some are dogs, some are cats. We are what we are. (Ark) Let me take opportunity to ask about ball lightning. Are they purely electric phenomena, or are they also related to consciousness or...?
A: Transdimensional portals made manifest.
Q: (Ark) Does it mean that the current theory of electromagnetism is really bad because it has nothing to do with transdimensionality?
A: Yes.”
Interesting idea, Debra, but at the same time excessively simplistic and linear, to my current understanding. 7D is all about "one" (1), but this doesn't make it a 1D reality, although, from a certain point of view, what we call 7D is actually "the first and only" reality.
Have you read any literature on "nondualism"?
Debra
The Living Force
Oh I most certainly have.
During the early metaphysics “enlightenment program” downloads into our “information field” I read hundreds of “We are God” themed manifestos.
The start of my own “awakening” to the bandwagon of newly planted navel gazing Gurus was back in the 1970’s, but I moved on over the years into other areas of discovery.
My understanding at this point of my life is that until we have learned, mastered and perhaps even gained the ability to dodge projectiles, the sum of ALL the lessons here, in these spirit coated bodies, human form, in 3rd Density, it matter not one bit for all the wondering, imagining or postulating about what goes on in 7th Density.
To sum up my view, As long as we are blinking and breathing, our relationship to 7 Density is all good.
Best of luck on your mission to peek into or ascend or whatever, into the control room of the Divine Cosmic Mind( 7D ), I’ve “heard” it is very bright and possibly loud!
The Ra-Cassiopaean cosmology is also "nondualist" in its essence. In fact, it's probably one of the best sources (if not the best) available on the subject as I see it.
7D is not just a far away density, it's "here and now", it's "us". We are not 3D first, we are 7D first, as all is. And I believe that "positivity" (mirth, for instance, also peace) is the best connection we have with 7D (with our deepest self).
You know, the question comes to mind, “What does it matter if I’m 7D, if I’m God, if all is one and one is all?! What good is it to me here and now?”
I think the following questions are also important:
Am I positive here and now? Am I at peace? Am I at peace with myself? With my being? Can I consciously have, even if shortly, some deep and healing peace or happiness although so many things about life on earth are depressing or unsettling?
We know that our negative thoughts and feelings potentially create resonance with higher STS beings, who, based on this resonance, always try to increase such thoughts and feelings to be able to feed on them more and more.
But the main motivation for consciously having positivity doesn’t always need to be to prevent “STS resonance”. I think the primary motivation is that positivity is “good”. It’s healing. It produces a deep satisfaction and hopefulness. It flows, as opposed to stuckness. It’s fun. When we’re not positive, we are like not ourselves. Yeah, in fact, as I said, I believe that positivity is being itself. As the C’s said or implied, if I remember right, STO/positivity is based on the thought center of being, while STS/negativity is the thought center of non-being.
But it seems we’re mostly programmed to base our positivity/optimism on the conditions of our “life” (3D-thinking, body-centricity either directly or indirectly). And this tends to constrict the experience of positivity.
It seems to me that we need to be as independent as possible in terms of refreshing and deepening our existential positivity. But this also shouldn’t lead to an unhealthy dissociation from ordinary life and people.
I believe that we can somehow benefit from contemplating on and discussing the subject of positivity. What does it mean to be positive? How does it manifest? What does it do? Can one produce/create/increase positivity independently by oneself by focusing on it? What’s its relation to knowledge/awareness?
I think the following questions are also important:
Am I positive here and now? Am I at peace? Am I at peace with myself? With my being? Can I consciously have, even if shortly, some deep and healing peace or happiness although so many things about life on earth are depressing or unsettling?
We know that our negative thoughts and feelings potentially create resonance with higher STS beings, who, based on this resonance, always try to increase such thoughts and feelings to be able to feed on them more and more.
But the main motivation for consciously having positivity doesn’t always need to be to prevent “STS resonance”. I think the primary motivation is that positivity is “good”. It’s healing. It produces a deep satisfaction and hopefulness. It flows, as opposed to stuckness. It’s fun. When we’re not positive, we are like not ourselves. Yeah, in fact, as I said, I believe that positivity is being itself. As the C’s said or implied, if I remember right, STO/positivity is based on the thought center of being, while STS/negativity is the thought center of non-being.
But it seems we’re mostly programmed to base our positivity/optimism on the conditions of our “life” (3D-thinking, body-centricity either directly or indirectly). And this tends to constrict the experience of positivity.
It seems to me that we need to be as independent as possible in terms of refreshing and deepening our existential positivity. But this also shouldn’t lead to an unhealthy dissociation from ordinary life and people.
I believe that we can somehow benefit from contemplating on and discussing the subject of positivity. What does it mean to be positive? How does it manifest? What does it do? Can one produce/create/increase positivity independently by oneself by focusing on it? What’s its relation to knowledge/awareness?
axj
The Living Force
Our awareness of 7D may be even better once we stop blinking and breathing and the veil of forgetting falls away. Though it is certainly possible to pierce that veil more and more during an incarnation as well.
Well that was Ra’s explanation. I wanted to hear yours
Wandering Star
The Living Force
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the veil for me is what Ra says and I don't think it can be explained better.
Its function is to achieve the genuine choice as Ra explains in the paragraph I contributed and once the choice is made it is no longer necessary.
I am not a scholar like other members, my knowledge is limited to Ra (Law of One), the C's, Laura and the rest of you, who are also the C's of course.
What I can do is explain that paragraph of Ra, if you have not studied that material enough.
With the clear and precise possibility that I am wrong of course.
I like Ra’s explanation, I just thought you might be able to put your twist on it too. I’m very uneducated, so come here to learn from everyone the best I can and expand my awareness.I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the veil for me is what Ra says and I don't think it can be explained better.
Its function is to achieve the genuine choice as Ra explains in the paragraph I contributed and once the choice is made it is no longer necessary.
I am not a scholar like other members, my knowledge is limited to Ra (Law of One), the C's, Laura and the rest of you, who are also the C's of course.
What I can do is explain that paragraph of Ra, if you have not studied that material enough.
With the clear and precise possibility that I am wrong of course.
Thanks for the Ra quotes, I resonate with them very much, the Ra material was my big awakening 13 years ago, I have only read over their stuff once since then!
Wandering Star
The Living Force
However, I will offer you a couple more clues from Ra's material on the veil:
Session 65
August 8, 1981
QUESTIONER: I may return today to matters we have covered before, but it is because I am trying to get a clearer picture of some things I do not understand, and to possibly develop a plan of future activity on my own.
I have the impression that in the near future there is going to be an intensified search by many of those who are physically embodied on the planet. Their search will increase because they will become more aware of creation as it is, as opposed to the creation of man. Their orientation and their thinking, through a catalyst of a unique nature, will be reoriented to thinking about more basic concepts, shall we say. Is that correct?
RA: I am Ra. Generalizations can never be entirely correct.
However, we can point out that at a tear in the veil, the eyes of an entity may peer through the window for the first time, to see beyond. That tendency is possible, given the vortices of possibility/probability that are active in your space/time continuum and time/space at this confluence.
Session 73
October 21, 198
QUESTIONER: What was the direction, regarding this type of communication, of the one known as Jesus of Nazareth?
RA: I am Ra. You may have read some of the works of this entity. He offered himself as a teacher to the mind/body/spirit complexes who gathered to listen, and this entity has even spoken as though through a veil, to accommodate also those who did not wish to listen. When this entity was asked to perform a healing, he often did so, always ending his work with two caveats: first, that the healed entity had been healed by his faith; that is, by his own ability to allow and accept changes through the violet ray at the gateway of intelligent energy; Secondly, always saying the words “Tell no one.” These are the works that are directed to the highest quality of free will while maintaining fidelity to the positive purity of the work.
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And you, friends of this forum, are tearing the veil more and more.
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I meant the lack of awareness, that is.. we can't learn not to necessarily suffer if we're never exposed to unnecessary suffering.
No, what I said was.. being suddenly and immediately aware of oneness and past lives and so on.. could be overwhelming for certain individuals who may not be capable of handling that information. Limitations have a positive purpose, there are of course those whose purpose is only to limit, but not all limitations are created equal. IMO.
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