Nov. 15th 2015: BtH - 'Paris Terror Attacks: Strategy of Tension'

[Niall]

The coordinated terror attacks at multiple sites in downtown Paris on a busy Friday night have stunned France and generated a global outpouring of sympathy for the victims. Islamic State aka ISIS aka Daesh has claimed responsibility, saying the attacks were revenge for French airstrikes against IS targets in Syria.

In response to the attacks, the French government has activated emergency powers, instituted tighter border controls, and begun making arrests of suspected accomplices. It remains very unclear what happened where, how many terrorists were involved, and whether any of them survived.

This week on Behind the Headlines, we’ll be putting the attacks in Paris in context: why they happened now, who or what stands to gain, and what agenda the resulting mass confusion serves. Join us from 2-4pm EST / 8-10pm CET for some clarity on the madness.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sottradionetwork/2015/11/15/behind-the-headlines-paris-terror-attacks-strategy-of-tension

 

[Rich]

Great show. Thank you for giving us some much needed clarity on events.

I had a question about the so-called suicide bombers. Just trying to logistically understand how that would come about. The assumption being when the term is used that that is what happened but I don't believe it.

Assuming these are paid mercenary's, how would that 'job' be sold to them if it ended with certain death? I'm trying to get a handle on how these horrific acts were carried out. Not having that psychopathic mentally it is difficult for me to understand why anyone would commit such acts:

Would they be threatened with the deaths of their loved ones unless they carried out the acts?
Would they be offered rewards for their families for carrying out their assassinations?
Were the 'suicide belts' detonated by controllers?
Were those who were suicided not actually those who carried out the events?
Are they coerced, drug-induced, indoctrinated and mind-controlled?

 

[Joe]

Great show. Thank you for giving us some much needed clarity on events.

I had a question about the so-called suicide bombers. Just trying to logistically understand how that would come about. The assumption being when the term is used that that is what happened but I don't believe it.

Assuming these are paid mercenary's, how would that 'job' be sold to them if it ended with certain death? I'm trying to get a handle on how these horrific acts were carried out. Not having that psychopathic mentally it is difficult for me to understand why anyone would commit such acts:

Would they be threatened with the deaths of their loved ones unless they carried out the acts?
Would they be offered rewards for their families for carrying out their assassinations?
Were the 'suicide belts' detonated by controllers?
Were those who were suicided not actually those who carried out the events?
Are they coerced, drug-induced, indoctrinated and mind-controlled?

Possibly mind controlled, but it's likely that there were more people involved that no one is talking about because they left the scene rather quickly at the end.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Great show. Thank you for giving us some much needed clarity on events.

I had a question about the so-called suicide bombers. Just trying to logistically understand how that would come about. The assumption being when the term is used that that is what happened but I don't believe it.

Assuming these are paid mercenary's, how would that 'job' be sold to them if it ended with certain death? I'm trying to get a handle on how these horrific acts were carried out. Not having that psychopathic mentally it is difficult for me to understand why anyone would commit such acts:

Would they be threatened with the deaths of their loved ones unless they carried out the acts?
Would they be offered rewards for their families for carrying out their assassinations?
Were the 'suicide belts' detonated by controllers?
Were those who were suicided not actually those who carried out the events?
Are they coerced, drug-induced, indoctrinated and mind-controlled?

I don't think there's much of a shortage of guys willing to blow themselves up - if events and reports coming out of Syria and elsewhere are correct. Which pretty much amounts to mind control and indoctrination. But I'd say all of the above are possibilities. It's also curious (thankfully!) that out of the 4 suicide bombings outside of the concert hall, they only managed to kill 1 person and injure 1 other. What's up with that? You'd think they'd want to cause as much death and destruction as possible...

 

[luke wilson]

Great show. Thank you for giving us some much needed clarity on events.

I had a question about the so-called suicide bombers. Just trying to logistically understand how that would come about. The assumption being when the term is used that that is what happened but I don't believe it.

Assuming these are paid mercenary's, how would that 'job' be sold to them if it ended with certain death? I'm trying to get a handle on how these horrific acts were carried out. Not having that psychopathic mentally it is difficult for me to understand why anyone would commit such acts:

Would they be threatened with the deaths of their loved ones unless they carried out the acts?
Would they be offered rewards for their families for carrying out their assassinations?
Were the 'suicide belts' detonated by controllers?
Were those who were suicided not actually those who carried out the events?
Are they coerced, drug-induced, indoctrinated and mind-controlled?

Well, IMO, it depends on how you see the view of these people from their eyes... in the above comment, in my view, their is a fundamental assumption that these 'suicide' bombers would see things in the same way we would. That this act to them would be extraordinary, that they would worry about their loved ones, that they would need medication to carry such atrocities out etc... They don't even have to be psychopathic to do what they did. They just need a worldview that enables them to see this as well... par for the course. No different than any other mundane task, not like an extraordinary thing, just a normal thing, as normal as normal is. OSIT.

Reading the book, "What is madness?" through the various case studies an image appears of what can essentially be a mind controlled patsy if a govt agency latches onto an individual with certain mental disturbances, nurtures them to accentuate said 'disturbances', then unleashes them whenever is convenient to said govt agency. Such a person for all intents and purposes would be normal and would only deviate from this 'normal-ness' in the eyes of well, normal people, when they act out their disturbance. The important thing, is that their disturbance, to them personally, is normal, it's the same as normal is to you. It doesn't create in them the notion that they are doing some crazy out of this world psychopathic thing and all accompanying flood of emotions that might otherwise hinder performance.

Just another possibility of why in these sorts of things, you always hear witnesses say how the perpetrators acted so calmly and normally as if they were just going about their normal everyday business. It could be that they are highly trained normies/psychopaths mercenaries for hire who crafted their skill massacring villagers in Afghan, a drugged up person or it could be well, a mad person at the hands of a govt organisation that knows how to make good use of mad people.

 

[syldan]

Thanks all involved for a great show as always! I will listen to it again probably...

Personally, i do not find it far-fetched at all that there are a great many people ready to commit this type of atrocity and blow themselves up afterwards! i think that with the right opiates for example, a junky would easily, with a little psychological push, do such a thing in return of let's say a certain amount of money for their loved ones? Then there is the huge possibility of hypnosis, mind altering drugs, and pharmaceuticals following a period of preparation. If that were to be the case, in my mind it would be fairly simple to recruit this type of individual.

Yet, once again, this is my personal take on it, they seem to be led into it by people who do not blow themselves up. And walk away from it. And that part, in a city like Paris, which has got to be one of the MOST policed places in the world, needs outside support which can ONLY come from highly connected individuals or organizations. The belated ACTION DIRECTE/ RED BRIGADES/ BADER etc. come to mind. There also seems to be included in the full package some events made to send police force running around for nothing such as in the Stade de France incidents where few casualties were reported. Where they just a diversion? We see this in big criminal activity all the time, fake bomb threats, fake calls to police to send as many as possible in the opposite direction?

So for us, here, readers of SOTT and of the crew's books, and Laura's incredible mountain of research, it dosen't seem so 'out there' that a small group of individuals bent on this could/ would gather the proper prospects, prime them up, rile them up for a few days, and with the use of drugs or hypnosis send them to do the job!

i don't think it's a one size fits all situation, but rather a case by case scenario. And that may also explain the various targets and many approaches as well as different outcomes to these simultaneous attacks. Because for having lived in Paris half a decade thirty years ago, i imagine how complex setting something like this so it runs amok without a hitch could be! Now, this is a personal opinion based on life skills and knowledge pertaining to personal experience, not modeling or analysis. More like instinct and gut feeling, and a capacity to put myself in their shoes (culprits/ handlers)...

One thing is certain, this was not planned by a ragtag bunch of dope heads, but more like a military style planning, with many resources, and several plans (A, B, C or D) using the ragtag meme to their own advantage!

One thing i find strange is the absolute lack SO FAR, of every day people's phone footage on the web? Usually there is a flood of it, this time? Is it being filtered, blocked???

 

[un chien anadolu]

Great show. Thank you for giving us some much needed clarity on events.

I had a question about the so-called suicide bombers. Just trying to logistically understand how that would come about. The assumption being when the term is used that that is what happened but I don't believe it.

Assuming these are paid mercenary's, how would that 'job' be sold to them if it ended with certain death? I'm trying to get a handle on how these horrific acts were carried out. Not having that psychopathic mentally it is difficult for me to understand why anyone would commit such acts:

Would they be threatened with the deaths of their loved ones unless they carried out the acts?
Would they be offered rewards for their families for carrying out their assassinations?
Were the 'suicide belts' detonated by controllers?
Were those who were suicided not actually those who carried out the events?
Are they coerced, drug-induced, indoctrinated and mind-controlled?

This consists of 2 parts:

1- Killing themselves for an ideal (which you actually asked)
2-Killing many others

The motivation for the 1st one is relatively not so hard among Muslims. What i mean is being a martyr (e.g. in war) is more motivating for Muslims than Western people. And not only the promise for heaven in religious beliefs but also the allegedly honour of this idea plays an important role. I am an ex-muslim living in a secular country (well we're rapidly loosing this) among mostly modern Muslims. But nevertheless i know this 1st part very well.

The motivation for the 2nd is (killing other people) is harder to generate but still there are thousands (if not ten or hundred thousands) of usefull radically religious people to convince using a mixture of modern mind control techniques and Jihadis ideologies from Quran .

 

[Oxajil]

I regularly check the news on what happens in Afghanistan, and the things that the Taliban do to the people there is just absolutely sickening. And it continues on to this day. I would not be surprised that these types of people would be willing to blow themselves up, I don't think that they do it because their family members are being threatened, if that was the case, how will they know that after their death they will keep their promise? I think that as Perceval said, it's probably mind control or mind programming. I think these are also usually people who are already psychologically vulnerable or already have psychopathic tendencies. I don't know how they find these people, but there are a lot of these crazies. Just remember what the Moriartys said about terrorists in Libya:

No, there was no army. Then they started bringing in shiploads of these mercenaries in these little pickup trucks with anti-aircraft guns on the back. They were four-door pickups if you would. All of them had some kind of big armament on the back and they were a stream non-stop coming out of the port, right on the road in front of our hotel non-stop for over a day.

Off-topic a bit, but regarding those (usually clueless) youngsters being lured to join ISIS, perhaps the following plays a role, from Political Ponerology:

If various circumstances combine, including a given society’s deficient psychological world view, individual’s are forced to exercise functions which do not make full use of his or her talents. When this happens, said person’s productivity is no better, and often even worse, than that of a worker with satisfactory talents. Such an individual then feels cheated and inundated by duties which prevent him from achieving selfrealization. His thoughts wander from his duties into a world of fantasy, or into matters which are of greater interest to him; in his daydream world, he is what he should and deserves to be. Such a person always knows if his social and professional adjustment has taken a downward direction; at the same time, however, if he fails to develop a healthy critical faculty concerning the upper limits of his own talents, his daydreams may “fix on” an unfair world where “all you need is power”. Revolutionary and radical ideas find fertile soil among such people in downward social adaptations. It is in society’s best interests to correct such conditions not only for better productivity, but to avoid tragedies.

For example, Dutch teens who allegedly want to join ISIS (according to their parents), usually live in a neighborhood with quite a low socioeconomic status, and these teens are often in a position where there are no school/work opportunities for them.

1- Killing themselves for an ideal (which you actually asked)
2-Killing many others

The motivation for the 1st one is relatively not so hard among Muslims. What i mean is being a martyr (e.g. in war) is more motivating for Muslims than Western people. And not only the promise for heaven in religious beliefs but also the allegedly honour of this idea plays an important role. I am an ex-muslim living in a secular country (well we're rapidly loosing this) among mostly modern Muslims. But nevertheless i know this 1st part very well.

I don't think the first one is that much different from non-Muslim soldiers willing to die for their country, for example.

Also there is a big difference between fighting for your people and your country in a just battle against an evil enemy (what the Syrian Armed Forces are doing for example), and commiting suicide and murdering other innocent citizens while doing so (who are either Muslim or not). So yes, the first one may be a motivation common among some Muslims, but not in the way of blowing yourself up à la ISIS/Taliban/Al-Qaeda etc.

Fwiw!

Also wanted to thank you for another informative show!

 

[sToRmR1dR]

Thanks for the great show guys! :)

 

[Kasia]

Great show, thank you :)

 

[Gary]

Great show. Thank you for giving us some much needed clarity on events

Agreed. It was a really informative show. Thanks guys for the excellent work you do!

Joe's latest article is up on SOTT:

http://www.sott.net/article/306511-ISIS-as-Instruments-of-Proxy-War-on-Western-Populations