Obama special statement - Osama bin Laden 'dead'...

Ellipse said:
Perceval said:
Not at all, and the only reason people at your work are talking about terrorists is because the US gov. has programmed them over the last week to believe that "the terrorists" will want revenge. I tell ya, it's absolutely horrible to see the extent of the madness. It's almost literally unbelievable to me.

I think the fundamental problem is the fact that people are accustomed to trust the gov. I mean, it's very hard to accept the idea your gov do not want the best for you and so for the country. It seem so logical. And if you open the eyes your world collapse.

Here's a reason why. It's a take on the Right Wing Authoritarian personality

The Gullible Mind Explained

In light of the string of the blatant falsehoods being announced by the U.S. government these days (FDA, DHS, White House, etc.) it's interesting that so many people still believe whatever they are told by "official" sources. It brings up the question of the functioning of their brains: How could a person swallow official information so gullibly and so completely without even asking commonsense questions about the reliability or factual basis of that information?

These people, it turns out, are operating from what I called The Gullible Mind. It is a psychological processing malfunction that filters out information based on its source rather than its integrity. People who operate from The Gullible Mind tend to have misplaced trust in governments, institutions, mainstream news networks, doctors, scientists or anyone who wears the garb of apparent authority.

Whereas a normal, intelligent person would raise commonsense questions about information they receive from all sources, the Gullible Mind wholly accepts virtually any information from sources that occupy the role of apparent authority in society.

Governments never lie
But how does this work inside their heads? It's an interesting process. Gullible Mind people do believe it is possible for a government (or institution) to lie; but they believe that governments, institutions and doctors choose NOT to lie even when it would serve their own self interests to do so.

Follow this carefully, because this is the fascinating part. These Gullible Mind people effectively believe that even though a government official could lie about something, they would never actually do so. And why wouldn't they? Because, ultimately, the Gullible Mind crowd believes that governments, institutions and mainstream media outlets operate from a sort of honor code. So even if it were in the interests of our own government to lie to us, it would never happen because that would violate this imaginary honor code.

Where does this honor code exist? Where is it written down? Nowhere, of course. It is imaginary. But to The Gullible Mind, it seems real. Interestingly, even though this "honor code" only exists in the imagination of The Gullible Mind person, they project this honor code onto sources of authority, imagining that they abide by it.

Extreme gullibility
This is how The Gullible Mind person believes that network news always reports the truth. The news networks have a sense of "honor," they believe, and this sense of honor requires them to always report the truth and never manipulate the news for any nefarious purposes. So news networks never "shape" the news and they only report what is factually true without any consideration whatsoever of politics or advertiser profits.

This view of the world is, of course, laughably naive. And yet it is the core belief system of at least half the population -- the Gullible Mind half that believes everything it is told by its own government, media or authority figures.

Interestingly, the Gullible Mind is also inwardly gullible because it does not recognize its own gullibility. Instead, it believes it is operating as a Rational Mind. This false Rational Mind believes it functions as a critical filter of incoming information, but even this is self deception. In truth, this false Rational Mind is on "auto filter" so that it filters out any information that conflicts with the information it is receiving from official sources.

This is the key to understanding the Gullible Mind -- it isn't the quality of the information itself that matters; it is the confirmation of the story from official sources that "makes it real" in the Gullible Mind.

The Easter Bunny killed Bin Laden!
For example, let's say a Gullible Mind person comes across an announcement that says the Easter Bunny has killed Osama Bin Laden. The report claims that colored eggs were found near Bin Laden's body, and there was evidence of feathers being left at the scene, which proves the Easter Bunny was there.

Now, an intelligent, rational mind would have a lot of questions about this. For starters, rabbits don't have feathers. And the Easter Bunny is a piece of fiction, too. On top of that, how could the Easter Bunny kill Osama Bin Laden? An intelligent person would, upon reviewing the holes in the story, be forced to conclude the story is fiction. The only logical conclusion from that is that the government is lying to them.

A Gullible Mind person, however, would not ask whether rabbits have feathers, or whether the Easter Bunny is capable of conducting a military raid. Instead, the Gullible Mind person would first look to other confirming news sources in order to determine the reliability of the story. They would turn on the TV or surf the internet, looking for the news to be repeated through "official" sources.

Once they found CNN, or Fox News, or some other "official" source reporting that the Easter Bunny killed Osama Bin Laden, then that news report would instantly become "real" in their minds. Suddenly it has shifted from their mental processing queue to the "absolutely truth" part of their brain, and from that point forward, no one can question that reality in their heads.

Don't bother arguing with a Gullible Mind - they are immune to facts
At this point, their rational mind is completely shut off on the topic. No accumulation of facts can, at that point, rattle their "reality." For example, a person who believes the government's story of 9/11 has already embraced the Easter Bunny version of terrorists flying airplanes into the World Trade Center towers. So how did this act cause the WTC 7 building to collapse in a demolition-style free-fall a few hours later, when WTC 7 was never struck by airplanes? How can a steel and concrete building suddenly and magically collapse in perfect structural synchronicity merely from being on fire?

The answers don't matter to The Gullible Mind, you see. There is no room for facts inside their heads, because all the space has been taken up with what is essentially a cult-like belief in institutions of authority.

We saw this in the Heaven's Gate cult in California a few years back. The leader of that cult, a man named Applegate, positioned himself as the one and only source of authoritative information among the cult followers. So HE became the authoritative source whose information was wholly accepted without questioning or skepticism of any kind. At that point, he was able to quite easily convince his followers that an alien race was going to land a UFO on the far side of a comet, and that if they killed themselves, they would be transported onto the alien ship (or something like that).

The belief in such a story may seem silly... until you realize that the governments of the world use the exact same cult-like tactics to get their own "followers" to believe everything they say, without question. So if President Obama announced that an alien race was going to land a mother ship on the White House lawn, and that people who voted for him would have their consciousness transferred to an immortal alien body, the remarkable truth is that millions of people would believe that. Perhaps tens of millions. They would even worship him as an interstellar saint.

Remember Orson Welles' radio program that announced aliens had invaded the Earth and were destroying our cities? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wa...) Huge numbers of people believed it was really happening... and not because it made any sense, but because the information came from the source they trusted. To those people, the alien invasion was just as real back then as Bin Laden's official death is to government followers today.[...]
 
Perceval said:
Here's a reason why. It's a take on the Right Wing Authoritarian personality

The Gullible Mind Explained
[...]

Yes, "a sort of honor code". The problem is vicious because some of doctors or cops, for example, certainly follow this unsaid "honor code" and so give the appearance of true to the whole system.

Unfortunately, as you say, this A reason. Would be interesting to find as much as possible. I'm thinking at the moment:
- Natural process to trust when you're a child/young and so build of a false world hard to question later
- Fluorine
- Haarp
- Too much distractions so Lack of time to search
- Brain naturally wired to react to emotions and shortcut logic ?

I will re-read http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/cult-of-plausible-lie.html, perhaps more in.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42949742/ns/us_news-security/ - just a sample of the articles lately narrowing in on train travel. I'd say they're focusing attention in that direction for a reason and it's not due to 'intel from Bin Laden's compound'...
 
Ellipse said:
Guardian said:
Ellipse said:
I mean, it's very hard to accept the idea your gov do not want the best for you and so for the country. It seem so logical. .

??
For me, it's hard to accept that a government, any government, would want the best for the average citizen. If I ever saw that...it would be a first.

Are you really serious? It's a genuine question because it's interesting, I mean, from your childhood you was teach to not give your confidence or there was an event that make you reconsider your position or you have gradually rise your awareness?

I think that trusting the government may be the default reaction for people in places like the US or UK, but it is not like that all over. In my country of origin, I grew up hearing so many cases of government corruption that it became very easy to doubt the authorities. It was the same for most people I knew. People also largely mistrusted the American government across the board, since the US interferes with my country for sport.

When later I moved to the UK it was so easy for me to read behind the lines of what came from the government, and I couldn't believe that educated locals tended to be so naive and gullible. I remember telling a local friend right before the Iraq invasion that Blair was so obviously lying about Saddam's WMD, and how I almost fell off my chair when she looked so puzzled as she replied "do you really think so??" As if I had said something outrageous!
 
Ellipse said:
Are you really serious?

Yes.

I mean, from your childhood you was teach to not give your confidence

I learned what government was about at a very early age...and I was also a student of Ancient History. The people and cultures may come and go, but the methods and reasons for ruling them never change.
 
Guardian said:
I learned what government was about at a very early age...
Perhaps members of groups in America that feel disenfranchised in general can be more able to accept that their government doesn't necessarily have their best interests at heart? While they may still be programmed and exhibit wishful thinking (many times with the idea of the American dream) with ideas they "like", they may still have a bit more awareness than some.
 
truth seeker said:
Perhaps members of groups in America that feel disenfranchised in general can be more able to accept that their government doesn't necessarily have their best interests at heart? While they may still be programmed and exhibit wishful thinking (many times with the idea of the American dream) with ideas they "like", they may still have a bit more awareness than some.

It was originally intended that I be a part of the ruling class, so I had an entirely different perspective. I was taught that government is owned by, and serves, the wealthy ....since day one.
 
I'm starting to get this feeling that the compound was built and owned entirely by the CIA, everyone inside were actors, and that nobody was shot at all. That would certainly explain all the 'intelligence' they found inside, and would give TPTB total freedom to take this in any direction they want, as they have already done. That would explain almost everything except for the pesky helicopter crash IMO.

Will be interesting to see what the after-story is on all those other people inside the compound. Or even what their "before-story" is.
 
A lot of people in the UK DID know after the invasion of Iraq, that the WMDs was a myth, but they were told that they should continue to support the troops
anyway. A while after that some acknowledged that the government had duped them.
I still keep track of what is being said on a website for expats in Germany. Most there have great jobs, are "well educated", know that you can't believe most politicians and that we live in a gigantic corporation. However, whenever anyone questions what's really going on, they are bombarded with the old tinfoil hat insults and hate. They do a great job of keeping the other sheep in line.
However, I am still surprised that when I air some of my views, very carefully worded, to my friends and family, a lot do nod their heads thoughtfully...
 
Windmill knight said:
I think that trusting the government may be the default reaction for people in places like the US or UK, but it is not like that all over. In my country of origin, I grew up hearing so many cases of government corruption that it became very easy to doubt the authorities. It was the same for most people I knew. People also largely mistrusted the American government across the board, since the US interferes with my country for sport.

I agree with windmill knight. It is same I observed in my birth country . No body believed in GOV, so no body trusted them until GOV became
efficient overnight in basic services and people started believing in them. Power of CIRCUS comes into the effect only after stomach is filled, I think.

Last saturday, I had a EE class, as usual I went to my train station to take NJ transit train to NYC. when the train arrived, it is smelling very bad. Intense short circuit smell from one of the car. I tried to ask the ticket collector(TC) and he was busy and didn't reply and some other lady also asking the same, I dont know what they said, she got into train. I need to take this train else I will be very late. There are around 60 or 70 people people got into train, I wondered why so many people are not bothered about this ?.

I went in to the train and chose a train car far away from the smelling one. Another woman behind me asked TC , he said this is normal. But the train
stopped at next 2 stations for more than usual time and finally at the 4th or 5th station, they asked us unboard the train. I asked the conductor what
happened after getting down ?. He said there is some problem in some break location, they fixed twice and it continued to give problem. I looked at
it as electrical problem and I know lot of trains accidents happen due to short circuit. They thought it is dangerous to go with so many people on board and unboarded them. Well, They are wondering when will be next train hour or more etc.

After 5 minutes another TC came with some sort of shock saying " I am not kidding, they want us to drive like this with passengers". At this point all the 4 TC's are agitated, but not people. They apologized repeatedly, blamed it on the ORDERS. Every body got into train including me. Again I decided to choose the farthest car, later realised every body sat near the car that is smelling and I am the only guy went that far, thus forcing me to go nearest car where people are there little away from smelling car.

Well, My thoughts went to Movie scenes of Nazi's loading the jews into train cars and to Denver airport Murals and Horse etc.

Nothing happened, train went without a hickup. But the question is what if this train goes to concentration camp or got into accident or some thing worse?. of course,I am dramatising it in asking this ( atleast for now), but where is the difference ?. If you stay in New york penn station for 10 minutes, you will here 3 times "SEE SOME THING, SAY SOME THING", "Any body can be searched, please cooperate for your safety", "If you are suspcisous of some thing, Notify police" etc. This safety propaganda goes on NON STOP over and over. It's all transmarginal inhibition. So, People doesn't even bother. Probably They need stimulation ?.


Mod's note: Edited to fix the quotation marks
 
I wonder, is the fourth density sts frequency fence disappearing with the approaching of the wave and being replaced by third density technology for mind programming. My feeling is following OBL circus lately is that it all look like improvisation, like a TV series but the script writer is different. I don't know, it is just a feeling but last night I dreamed that the PTB was going to make a big miscalculation and the men behind the curtain will be reveal. Wait and see and don't anticipate, do I repeat this often to myself lately.
 
Laurentien said:
I wonder, is the fourth density sts frequency fence disappearing with the approaching of the wave and being replaced by third density technology for mind programming.

I don't think that the two concepts negate each other, i.e. false dichotomy, etc.

The same could be said in reverse, "Is the third density sts frequency fence disappearing with the approaching of the wave and being replaced by fourth density technology for mind programming." fwiw.

imo, if anything, both the frequency fence and mind programming technology are increasing, in conjunction with the approaching of the wave.
 
Today received spam from some Jewish religious site that talks about the upcoming apocalypse and great war in Israel, and displays this picture to show that there is a clear mystical connection between Osama's death and Israel. And then found a link to Ynet article about it.

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But maybe not that mystical, it was a CIA compound after all. ;)
 
I think it's interesting that those who don't believe Obama was born in the US are rejecting OBL's death as well.

This is looking like a master plan to create a group of people that are ridiculed by anyone with half a brain and then have them take on the legitimate issue of OBL questionable recent demise, thereby associating the question of OBL's assassination with fringe lunacy.

It would have taken serious planning across a multi-year timeline with foreknowledge of the plan to kill of OBL.

Pretty clever.

Gonzo
 
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