Observable Progress

Al Today said:
My body is falling apart. Massive quantities of disks (spine & neck) herniating/degenerating/disintegrating, enough arthritis in my hip to warrant a hip replacement, had a practically "dead" gall bladder removed, and more... And I'm only 52 years young.

Al, I don't think there's any reason to accept this physical deterioration. As a lifetime sufferer of osteo-arthritis, and other issues, it took me 55 years to learn that inflammation CAN be controlled and the damage reversed by diet, supplements, and infrared therapy. I have been in pain almost continuously since I was nine years old, and only in this last year have I really learned how to eliminate it. I had to hit the absolute physical bottom to do so.

I have found that there are a number of foods I am sensitive to - or even allergic to - that induce inflammation and joint damage and it is a simple matter of eliminating them from my diet. Those food are anything containing gluten, dairy, eggs, almonds, corn. I've also learned that omega 3 oils are anti-inflammatory and taking lots of them really help. Nowadays I'm taking almost a quarter of a cup of flaxseed oil in a rice protein shake every morning and then taking 10 fish oil capsules throughout the day. I'm still working on testing different foods for reactions and you can do this too very easily. Read the threads in "diet and health" for some clues and start detoxing. Get yourself an infrared sauna blanket, and start using it. Find the right combination of supplements for you, and do it!
 
Laura said:

Yes, this procrastination is the toughest program to kill for me. Seems that for some reason, I have yet to conquer this allowing my body to fail. So much of "me" has changed but I think I gotta get rid of this idea of being stoic & this apparent desire to master/control this pain within my mind. I have read much of the information on diet and detox, but I "feel" I must do battle with what may be the largest "I" within "me". Just to be lazy, what is the best hard copy book I can get? In being exposed to me, my spouse is slowly awakening but I do not "see" her cliff diving into this mindset I have because of this WORKING on myself and attempting to understand the nature of 3D, 4D, ect... She still holds to some of her mormon values. Hell, if she read about Tonatha (www.cassiopaea.org/cass/grail_6.htm) and stuff like that, today, this afternoon, she would look at me with wild eyes and say: "this freaking crazy". But like I said, she is awaking at her own speed. I can't help but love her and I would like to have some hard copy book to present (introduction to diet/detox) and continue to hopefully provide her a path of understanding, gaining objectivity, and learning how to think critically about all the trash pushed on her all her "life". I do "think" that this may be part of my lesson plan. Thank you...
 
[quote author=al]... I would like to have some hard copy book to present (introduction to diet/detox) ...[/quote]

Al, check out this thread or any of the others about detox/inflammation in the diet and health section. specifically in regards to a hard-copy book, if you click the "print" button at the top of the thread page, the forum will render out a nice black and white version of the thread that is easily printable and readable.

from there, you could just throw it into a three-ring binder. imo, these threads that have been put together here seem to be the best collection of all the various sources of data about diet and detox. a printed and bound copy of the thread itself would at least give you a good start (?)
 
Al Today said:
what is the best hard copy book I can get?

Those have been very helpful to me and you can find them as suggested books in the thread about diet :

1. Pain free in 6 weeks by Dr Sherry Rogers:

http://www.amazon.com/Pain-Free-Weeks-Sherry-Rogers/dp/188720203X/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239289849&sr=8-17

2. The Ultramind solution by Dr Mark hyman

http://www.amazon.com/UltraMind-Solution-Broken-Brain-Healing/dp/1416549714/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239289893&sr=1-1

3. Detoxify or Die by Dr Sherry Rogers

http://www.amazon.com/Detoxify-Die-Sherry-Rogers/dp/1887202048/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239290121&sr=8-14
 
Al Today said:
Yes, this procrastination is the toughest program to kill for me.
I "feel" I must do battle with what may be the largest "I" within "me". Just to be lazy...

Al, in dant's thread on Dental Almagams, Black Swan posted some info on using cilantro as a detox for heavy metals here. It includes ingredients and recipes for a pesto. It might be something you can start now.

Regarding the 'lazy' thing, I understand completely. Some people are fortunate enough to have the choice "weighted" for them by fear from a doctor's advice, or excitement coming from having gathered enough knowledge to "see a possibility...". In a case like that, it's like a dense planetary body suddenly appears in the universe of your mind, and you automatically lean in that direction and start falling towards it, gathering momentum as you go.

Other people may realize that they cannot find anything to come before the choice. It seems to be totally unweighted, in every direction they look. They may have to simply start to try to do it. With little or no motivation, little or no knowledge and little or no thinking, at first. They choose simply because it seems like the right thing to do according to their alignment.

However it works out, good luck!
 
It really is amazing how much diet affects health, mood, etc. ESPECIALLY the older one gets. I've been fairly athletic all my life, and took many things for granted in my 20s. Now, at 37, I observe my body starting to "go the other way." Granted, I abused it pretty badly for a decade or so, having 2 heart attacks, sinus problems & kidney stones, but now understand the saying "garbage in, garbage out!"
 
I would like to point out that a successful eliminating of all/most of the negative stuff that we have been indoctrinated to is an area of self-perfection in itself, and the results are easily observable.
 
FireShadow said:
....Many years ago, I was working hard on myself, but could not see "observable progress" and so "gave up completely" in a fit of rage. I despaired of ever being able to overcome my programs/issues. To be able to renew a path of self-development and to be able to actually see "observable progress" is for me a great thing. It is a cause for hope.

I have been contemplating this and I think I have some insight into what happened to me so many years ago. I am thinking that it was self-importance that prevented me from seeing "observable progress". I was so invested in obtaining specific results in terms of "rewards" of the work I was trying to do that I could not see myself.

And so, the reminder of self-importance is important for me. I am thinking that I need to be aware of this so as to be able to see "observable progress" in terms of personal development versus "rewards".
 
FireShadow said:
I am noticing observable progress in my development since finding this forum. I thought a thread where we can post our progress might be helpful. If not, please ignore this.

I just thought that it can be a good thing to review and look at how far we have come - it helps keep me encouraged when the work gets hard and I want to give up. It shows me that the techniques learned here are working. Perhaps, others will find it useful as well.

Hi FireShadow,
Thanks for starting the thread. I think it can definitely be helpful to review how far we have come – to notice observable progress in our development – and to post on these observations to get feedback from the group. Remember that it is a process, one that will not give instant, permanent results, but is more like an ongoing (“spiral” or zigzag) process of growth and development.

FireShadow said:
I'll start with:

I have begun to have a life again.

I am now gardening and getting exercise and fresh air. I have wanted and needed to do this for quite some time, I just could not muster the motivation. There seemed "no point" to much of anything. Nowadays it is not so monumental a task, I find myself excited to get out in the garden and "play in the dirt".

I am playing video games a LOT less. Where I used to play several times a week for hours at a stretch, I am now playing maybe once a month and only for about an hour or so. I have not even tried to "limit" myself, I just got so excited and involved in learning that video games just don't hold much allure for me anymore.

I do not get "freaked out" as often by perceived threats in my world (i.e. financial setbacks, etc) nor do the "freak-outs" I do have last as long as previously. My hubbie has noticed this as well.

I am gaining a small measure of mastery over my "knee-jerk" reactions to Christians who try to convince me to Believe.

I am more able to "let go" more often.

I am not saying that I have achieved anything close to mastery and success, but I can actually see some progress. It is encouraging.

Have others experienced observable progress that they would like to share?

What you have described is great. I am happy for you and congratulate you on your progress. The first order of business is to get psychologically healthy. The reading list (especially Myth of Sanity, Trapped in the Mirror, Unholy Hungers, and The Narcissistic Family) and interacting with the group, as well as, applying the techniques of self-remembering while engaging in self-observation, recapitulating, etc. helps this process of becoming psychologically healthy and dealing with everyday life more effectively. However, also keep in mind that as this process continues, we will be in a better position to apply the Work to the next level of growing/developing the magnetic center to the point of becoming Man #4.

The important thing that you seem to have figured out is to keep at it and observe the progress and successes as well as the failures; and don’t be discouraged by the failures because they teach us even more than the successes. As a matter of fact I have just begun to reach the stage where I am going to actively be looking for disintegrative situations to continue and accelerate the process of growth and development. Remember that it took a lifetime to build our buffers and programs culminating in our false personalities. And it will take many stages of positive disintegration (aided by self-observation of how many programs/buffers are still in us and how the struggle continues with the predator’s mind – the conflict/friction between aspirations, ideals, aims and goals and our actual, objective state of progress) and reintegration followed by another level of disintegration, etc. for the alchemical process to continue toward its completion.

Smallwood said:
Though for the most part I feel fury at my own slothfulness, I'll report on the positive changes I've noticed.

I rarely engage in feeding the way I used to anymore and I can usually spot it coming a mile away and can take corrective action. I also feel disgusted whenever I find I've "fallen into confluence" (like doing something just because it feels good, even though I should know better), I think that it can work as a fuel to change.

Yes, if you use your conscious efforts, it can definitely be used to fuel change. Again I would say keep at it, keep making conscious efforts, and be patient and committed to see it through, while knowing that it is a long and painful process.

Smallwood said:
I've been meditating a bit and it has produced some positive change, though I should devote way more time to it. I think I dissociate a little bit less frequently because of that.

I also started to keep a journal, as suggested. I've made an observation that what seems to be a matter of high mental anquish one day, tends to look minimal two days later. It is natural I suppose.

I want to increase my meditating more also. I’ve done it only at irregular intervals and not systematically. I want to see how useful it can be in learning / progressing to not dissociate as you mentioned. Also I want to start keeping a journal and will do so very soon, it’s on top of my priorities list.

All in all, having made some progress in getting psychologically healthier and becoming more effective in everyday life (and will continue to do so), I want to continue with patience and dedication to persistent disintegrating of my false personality and re-integrating the positive elements while separating out the impurities over and over until I reach the level of Man #4 with a fully grown and developed Magnetic Center and having totally equilibrated and balanced lower centers with conscious connections after the mechanical connections are disconnected and discarded, replaced by the conscious ones. After that (after the Magnetic Center having absorbed the lower emotional center) it is onto the absorption of the Magnetic Center by the Higher Emotional Center, etc. But we can only go step by step without skipping any steps. So the long, painful, frustrating yet rewarding and exciting process goes on.

Laura said:
Al, I don't think there's any reason to accept this physical deterioration. As a lifetime sufferer of osteo-arthritis, and other issues, it took me 55 years to learn that inflammation CAN be controlled and the damage reversed by diet, supplements, and infrared therapy. I have been in pain almost continuously since I was nine years old, and only in this last year have I really learned how to eliminate it. I had to hit the absolute physical bottom to do so.

I have found that there are a number of foods I am sensitive to - or even allergic to - that induce inflammation and joint damage and it is a simple matter of eliminating them from my diet. Those food are anything containing gluten, dairy, eggs, almonds, corn. I've also learned that omega 3 oils are anti-inflammatory and taking lots of them really help. Nowadays I'm taking almost a quarter of a cup of flaxseed oil in a rice protein shake every morning and then taking 10 fish oil capsules throughout the day. I'm still working on testing different foods for reactions and you can do this too very easily. Read the threads in "diet and health" for some clues and start detoxing. Get yourself an infrared sauna blanket, and start using it. Find the right combination of supplements for you, and do it!

Yeah, Al Today, definitely take Laura’s advise and search the Diet and Health forum for your problems; it is a veritable health library, there is just SO much information. Definitely get yourself a Far Infrared sauna blanket and have your whole family use it as well, you will be amazed at what level of health you can achieve when combined with good anti-inflammation, anti-candida, and detox diets and with supplements mentioned in the threads. As for being nutritionally deficient an important factor is mineral deficiency as our bodies do not synthesize minerals. You might want to look into Himalayan salt which has 84 minerals, especially look into making brine (soaking the salt rocks in water for several hours then putting from one drop to one teaspoon of this water in a glass of water and drinking it on an empty stomach first thing in the morning). You might want to check out www.crystal.co.nz for information on it, although there are many other websites with info on Himalayan salt and that sell it. I ordered from the above site and just received yesterday both fine crystal salt (comes in fine or coarse) and crystal salt rocks for making brine. Mark Givert at Get Fitt (where I ordered the infrared blanket) told me that Himalayan salt is the best source of getting all the minerals we need and he said to put 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon in a liter of water and drink one liter of this mixture every day. Both this and the brine will make a colloid as the minerals plus trace elements occur in tiny particle form; and colloidal minerals are supposed to be the best form – 98% absorption – nothing else even comes close. Best of health!
 
FireShadow said:
FireShadow said:
....Many years ago, I was working hard on myself, but could not see "observable progress" and so "gave up completely" in a fit of rage. I despaired of ever being able to overcome my programs/issues. To be able to renew a path of self-development and to be able to actually see "observable progress" is for me a great thing. It is a cause for hope.

I have been contemplating this and I think I have some insight into what happened to me so many years ago. I am thinking that it was self-importance that prevented me from seeing "observable progress". I was so invested in obtaining specific results in terms of "rewards" of the work I was trying to do that I could not see myself.

And so, the reminder of self-importance is important for me. I am thinking that I need to be aware of this so as to be able to see "observable progress" in terms of personal development versus "rewards".

This is a good observation. Self development of dubious rewards seem to attract the dubious side effects that come with it.

Then there's the trap of being rather pleased with one's progress and "how well one has done" which is usually followed by a rather rude and abrupt awakening and/or a fall. Then one does some real work!

I haven't posted my personal observations to this thread yet. It seems to be a "settling down" for want of a better term, a lot of the rough edges of personality have been chipped away. Still a long way to go nevertheless.
 
Observable progress?

When I saw this thread, I wondered if I could come up with a list of things that are at least different in me that are likely a direct result of studying and applying the Cassiopaean material about a year ago.

Some of these things might be just personal changes and development. Or are these maybe necessary steps for some newbies like me in order to have a chance to start esoteric work on themselves?

Does this spark some thoughts, comments, warnings from others? Maybe someone can identify with some of these experiences I have had?

Breton's top 10 Things Changed since finding Cassiopaean/QFG material to study about 1 year ago:



1. Detachment:

I am identifying less and less with my roles and with my thoughts and ideas. So far, I conclude that any role in this life is better understood as a character that one plays in this matrix "game". Sometimes the engineer, husband, or father does good, and sometimes it screws up. I am neither elated for the former, nor anguishing any more at the latter. None of these roles are my real "I", whatever that is. I just observe them. I try to learn from the outcomes. Life is one big school. When I inevitably slip up, for example, when I get angry at my wife or kids, then I suppose that the identification has happened again. I am only elated nowadays, when I observe myself enough to stop the identification, and there is not any need for the negative emotions to be displayed.


2. I am more "in the present" than before:

I still dissociate when driving and doing mundane tasks, but maybe half the time or more I am remembering to be conscious of even the smallest details.


3. Sacred cows:

During 2008 I added religious and spiritual preconceptions to my list of things to let go of. In the years preceding 2008 I was studying the world and found myself trashing one preconception after another. However these preconceptions were were political, economic, medical, nutritional, educational, and historical (etcetera) preconceptions. None of these were in the spiritual realm of souls, and I think I was king of hoping my search for Truth would not lead me to question my spiritual beliefs that I carried from childhood. (Christian related beliefs). I am on guard about the danger of replacing one belief system with another, because after all, I was conditioned for years to "just believe in something" like a little child. Nevertheless I discovered my desire is to let go of any rock of belief, and instead have the faith to be able to swim down the river! Instead of believing things I am told, I will now let all things be a hypotheses that should be modified when good new data is encountered.

4. Trying to identify my I's:
I have tried practise identifying different false I's of the personality, and observe them when they act. I have even given names to a couple of stronger and recurring I's. It seems more recapitulation here could be useful. Some people call them IT's on this forum.


5. Less need for entertainment, or escape:
I actually WANT to be in the real world more and more! I probably spent a lot of time in escape, but now I indulge very little in fantasizing, or doing something for purely escapism, or entertainment. Dumping escapism was never a goal, it was just a side effect I noticed from the new way in which my thoughts have gone this past year. However, when I look at something or read something for entertainment, I do it with a far different eye. I am looking now for relations in the entertainment to the real world of STS/STO, feeding, psychopathy and such, rather than escapism and dissociation. Sometimes I try if see if I can detect messages that even the artists are not necessarily aware of, that might be influenced from higher density STS or STO beings. Things I detect might turn out to be entirely my imagination, but I like the way it pushes my brain in new ways though.

6. External consideration:
The instinct for everyone is to share new experiences and knowledge but I soon found that most people are not asking for this information, at least not with genuine interest and an open mind, and it is absolutely imperative I be careful in what I say or else there is quite a bit of conflict and waste of energy. It would only be for fuelling my self-importance (internal consideration) to force my ideas on anyone, as many others have commented in this forum.

Furthermore, you can say that upon this "beginning waking up" I discovered that I was in a marriage, a career, and a religion, all of which if I had this knowledge years ago, I doubt I would be in any of them. However, this is where I find myself now, the place where I am "waking up" and commitments and responsibilities demand that I practise external consideration constantly. I am where I am, and this is where I can do the Work. At least for now, unless something changes and so I must then conclude that a big change needs to be consciously made in my life. However, for now, if I left these situations, where would I really go in this world to do the Work? No matter where one goes, one is still in prison! No matter what one does, one is still part of an STS system and one is pretending to be a good participant! Thus one must learn all one can in the current circumstances, because one is there for a reason, and probably there are unlearned lessons awaiting. This is all one big school.

7. Commitment to work on the self:
It seems the veil of illusions and lies has been pushed aside a little by my own studies up to one year ago, and then (exponentially?) greater amount after reading quite a bit of Laura's and the QFG's work. However this goal of mine, to push aside the veil of illusions, has led me to believe that I cannot expect much progress without working on myself. This is probably crucial to understand the lessons of this life, that I must observe and see the lies that I tell myself. I am supposing that this is the esoteric work to create the magnetic center. I just read ISOTM (In Search Of The Miraculous) and I have some clue now just what a HUGE job one has ahead of himself to learn his machine, (Gurdjieff was brutal) and so I feel daunted - I may never learn it the way I would like to in this lifetime! For now I am not letting it bother me, instead I am being satisfied with whatever baby steps I can take at my own pace, and revelling in every little tiny freedom from illusions and lies I can get in the time I have left!

8. More accepting attitude towards people and myself:
When I look at people acting around me, I often think "well that is his/her program running in their reaction machine". I notice when I think that way, I cannot really get annoyed with them or judge them because they are naturally acting from automatic processes set up during their life and they have not developed true will. Further, if I detect that it is an attack kind of program that is running, I take measures to protect myself without wasting anger on the person who is merely the conduit of the attack. I try to remind myself that the same thing applies to me, and I must improve my self-remembering skills to try identify the programs, and hopefully identify what kind of influences were responsible for them (for example esoteric work talks about A and B influences, which I do not yet quite grasp.)

9. Attempting to see STS & STO:
I am trying to identify signs of STS interactions (feeding, manipulating) and STO interactions. This is quite hard. However I thought that at least with interactions with close ones I think I might like to try to encourage interactions that seem more like STO (asking without expectation), and try to minimize those interactions that seem to be STS (that involves manipulation somehow). However, maybe I should not to be too ambitious: one probably has to be satisfied with mere observations for a long time before making any attempts to change anything.

10. I feel like living again:
Ok it is not quite as dramatic as it sounds, I mean, reading this material did not bring me back from the brink! However, before 2007 I pretty much longed for death. I did not ever imagine suicide, I just wished God would take me away. I believe the main reason was that I was trapped with a mental abuser as a partner and did not yet know a way out. Maybe it is important to mention the subconscious life attitude I had because of the religious belief system from my childhood because it taught that I was saved from eternal damnation as long as I held the faith in Jesus' redemption work. Therefore, in essence, life was really not much more than just a "danger of falling" out of a blessed condition! (what a mind bender that is!)

When I realized I had the power to stop the mental abuse, I found a reason to like life again, it was really something. However, in 2008, when I started to read this material, and I really considered that in all likelihood the "purpose of life is lessons", lessons for the soul you could say, and likely not about "being saved", then suddenly it meant that every breath I take in this physical realm is a gift of a potential lesson! I am humbled and privileged to have gained even this little bit of understanding of my existence in the past year. Every task, every challenge, every relationship, is an opportunity for growth now!


Additional comment on the wave:
Let me add one comment about anticipation of the Wave. I am quite thankful the C's revealed something about its coming. I look forward to the possibility of a new adventure in 4th Density, if not when the Wave crests, then hopefully sometime after the lessons of 3D are finished after some future incarnation. However, I hope that I have enough awareness by the time the Wave comes to be able to recognize SOMETHING about this truly momentous event! Although the C's would not reveal all the mysteries surrounding the wave, it seems that the people that are very firmly rooted in their illusions, might miss out on it completely. Or so it seems!

Disclaimer to new readers of this forum: as I said I am quite new, so I what I wrote is my personal experiences so far, and will not likely reflect the depth of understanding the more experienced members would have about these areas.

_Breton_
 
Hi all,
I don't how to judge self. Yes, personally when I look forward, into those things I thought to be fundamentally true, to my reactions, I think "who was that guy?". But it is likely that someday I'll look to what I think I am today to figure out that I was not. Sometimes I feel it like a oscillation between advancing forward and back. As if there are to opposite forces in play. Every time I learn something it's a wawwwww feeling! But this waawww state also feeds ego and then at the same time it's a step back. However, I feel that knowledge helps to come out more rapidly from this self-congratulation state. Maybe in the case of slow-learning students like me, the issue is to try doing two paths forward for every path back, rather then a total free fall?
 
FireShadow,

I hope this helps:
QFG helped raise my awareness, to try be critical, i have learnt more from them since ~2004 than both from my parents since 1972. Used QFG info to improve my life and i could help them back. As a narcissist i had & have problems with sexuality, self-trust, self-worth. The recommended psychology books gave me invaluable help.
Dietary advices and hi-tech devices discussed on sott.nett made me healthy again. I still have a lot of incertitude in my actions and inability to accept criticism and my obscene spirit-attachments to overcome, these i have to fight myself, because they are my real enemy. I have lost approx. 85% of my sex appetite - years ago i couldn't concentrate, because i had all hundred percent. Now i'm frantically searching for true love. Honestly i don't know what will i say to my future girlfriend that i'm doing the Work.

You gave me an opportunity for feedback, i thank you sincerely.

Robert
 
chachachick said:
PepperFritz said:
...... when "IT" raises its ugly head....

Speaking of "IT"...I've taken to referring to myself as "IT" during times of stress and negative emotions (when I can remember of course). For example, I've said things to myself such as "IT is feeling insecure and stupid right now so IT's trying to avoid attending this meeting" or "IT is feeling sorry for itself because IT has nothing to do on a Friday night." I then think back on times when I've felt that way before and why I felt that way. Referring to myself as IT has helped with non-identification and recognizing when programs are kicking into gear. This practice has usually been sucessful in stopping a program before it gets away from me. As time goes by, I'm getting better at seeing my programs.

Thanks, that is a good one, IMHO. I'll try to remember IT .... ;)

Lately, I've been trying to smile when I see unconsciousness
 
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