Several reasons. The Chinese Government requires complete and absolute obedience both in behaviour and what is said by it's citizens or they will be 'dissapeared'. They do not tollerate dissent or criticism in any form, pretty much like lockdowns were for citizens of many Western countries - in fact, I believe it was probably modelled on China. They have a social credit system which works very well to control their society and you don't have a choice about whether you belong to it or not.
I replied here, as it's not relevant to the other thread.
I've read that the social credit system exists mostly in pilot form here and there (Meritowns). There are also blacklists for legal violations, but also it's not the widespread dystopian machine many Westerners make it out to be. Is it much different from Western blacklists, in the UK, for instance, with people being arrested for tweeting hurty words? When I think about women and children trafficked in America by Satanists, or in Canada, where people are regularly being killed by the government via MAID, I wonder if China is really the Yellow Peril it is made out to be.
You cannot own anything because it all belongs to the Government (including how you behave) and.... China is not very well known for telling the truth. This causes a problem when they actually DO tell the truth because no-one believe them. This is a bit like the story of 'the boy who cried wolf'.
The home ownership rate in China is something like 90%, stemming from the privatization of the housing market in the 1990's. The government owns the land, but the people own their houses. They also own their cars, their clothes, etc. So your 'no private property' narrative is pretty weird to me.
All levels of their political hierachy have issues with corruption. This costs lives as appearances matter more than safety especially when it comes to construction and building.
Indeed. The tofu buildings and greed by developers seems to show corruption to be a major problem. Plus Xi just removed those corrupt military officials. I read Russia recently did the same, too. Again, is the corruption worse than in Western countries? Hard to say.
The way the Chinese are responding to this oppression is unrest, which in it's most extreme form will become revolution (imo), not that China would ever let you know this, because they are unable to tell the truth about themselves, especially if it's negative.
It's interesting for me to try to understand the narrative - on the one hand, I've heard the Chinese can't protest due to oppression and censorship. On the other hand, I've also heard the Chinese are being oppressed and censored, and that's why they're protesting. I figure it's probably just the usual thing that happens between a government and it's people - a bad situation arises, as it inevitably will, people complain, as they inevitably do, and the government sometimes listens, and sometimes uses force to shut them down.
Anyways, there are objective criteria necessary for a revolution to happen - according to Turchin and his team, these criteria are elite overproduction, popular immiseration, and state fiscal fragility. Turchin considers China to be in a stable integrative phase (due to low immiseration and elite discipline) with stability lasting beyond 2040, barring sudden shocks. I don't see the possibility of a revolution in American anytime soon, let alone China.
The dicotomy between sinophiles and sinophobes is an example of black and white thinking that is exploited by both sides. It is a question of how much is true and how much is a lie and I'm afraid China does not have a very good history of being truthful, most especially about anything negative.
Indeed, that's the thing. The sinophiles downplay the negatives, and the sinophobes downplay the positives. And yeah, there's definitely censorship there - though I'm honestly less put off by authoritarianism these days. Looking at what Bukele did in El Salvador, one can see that sometimes it's super necessary - though strong-man tactics always have the chance to turn very bad. IMO, as Lobaczewski showed, it seems Liberal assumptions about the primacy of democracy and individual human rights are becoming less and less tenable in an increasingly chaotic world. Especially so, what with all the globalists trying to do their usual thing of cracking countries open and feeding on their innards. They recruit and warp the sentiments of the liberty-inclined, and use it as a means of national destruction. China has its authoritariansim, past and present, and it's arguable that this was a crucial factor in what has led to prosperity for its people.
Have you thought about what "pure Chinese propaganda" is yet, or are all the above issues that The China Show exposes, not real and made up? I'm sure the Chinese Government would rather any footage they show proving what they say, is taken down immediately.
It probably would want to delete those vids, because as you say, it has an allergy to criticism and is still wary of Western influence after the Century of Humiliation and more recent information warfare provocations. I don't think what The China Show presents is all fake, no, but good disinformation presents enough truth to be able to slip in lies, and get intelligent and concerned people to believe them. Including ideas you've shared like the social credit system, 'no one owns anything', 'China is headed for revolution', which to my eye don't match reality.
AFAIK, geopolitical and national ideas are the broad factors that scale down to organize daily life for most humans on the planet. So right now I lean more towards the sinophile side of things, given what information I've come across - China's domestic policies and BRI initiative seem to me to be a more viable worldview than Uncle Sam's Forever Wars and financial parasitism/outright Satanism at home. I say this knowing that the PTB are probably playing all sides, either stimulating or allowing China to become a rival great power in order to generate a major conflict. But the BRICS model still is much more attractive to me in the broad scheme of things, even knowing it is not an STO ideal by any meams.
Now, if that sounds like a great place to live, then by all means go live there.
No need to get catty.
However, you won't neccessarily be welcome (there are many Chinese who are 'authoritarian followers' and absolutely believe and parrot anti-Western propaganda - just like there are in any other country).
Many Westerners report being very welcome there, and also feel much safer there than, for instance, the USA. Aside from anecdotal reporting, China is statistically much safer than the USA. And as you say, I'm sure there are also Chinese people who hate the West, too. With 1 billion people or whatever, they ought to have a good number of home-grown xenophobes.
For me, the Covid lockdowns were enough of an experience about how this system works to completely avoid the place.
It was a horrible time, to be sure, but using the timeframe of a global PTB-manufactured crisis as the measuring stick for current or long-term livability of any given country is a bit much IMO.
In general, though, we may just have to agree to disagree.
