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Brewer said:
This type of fishing, 'Catfish Noodling' was a originally practiced by Native Americans and was popular in the depression.

I SERIOUSLY doubt American Indians stood there laughing and taking pictures while their prey slowly suffocated to death in agony? In fact, I bet most Natives were taught how to quickly dispatch a catfish by shoving a river cane reed split up it's nose directly into its brain, causing instantaneous death? I'm just guessing here, but since an Indian taught me how to do that SO THE FISH DOESN'T SUFFER, I suspect it's been their practice for quite some time.

I was also taught that it is appropriate to thank the animal for giving up its life, not revel in its death throes.

recreational fishing.

Please just call it what it is "Recreational Killing"

As for these two guys, I hope they didn't leave those two catties to slowly suffocate in that boat

Oh you know they did, and probably skinned them alive to boot :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

but I can appreciate their skill.

What skill? They convinced the catfish that they were just big chunks of meat. They convinced me they were just big chunks of meat barely a minute into the video.
 
Al Today said:
When the good ole boys asked me to go fishing for dinner, I was more than happy to go. And we ate dinner.

There is a HUGE difference between killing your dinner cleanly and TORTURING it first.

There are those psychos out there,

Yes there are, and you posted a video of two of them to the "Tickle Me" thread.
 
Guardian said:
I SERIOUSLY doubt American Indians stood there laughing and taking pictures while their prey slowly suffocated to death in agony? In fact, I bet most Natives were taught how to quickly dispatch a catfish by shoving a river cane reed split up it's nose directly into its brain, causing instantaneous death? I'm just guessing here, but since an Indian taught me how to do that SO THE FISH DOESN'T SUFFER, I suspect it's been their practice for quite some time.

I was also taught that it is appropriate to thank the animal for giving up its life, not revel in its death throes.

I doubt too that Native Americans would have laughed at their catches suffering too and most probably would killed them quickly. However, I'd imagine the Native Americans would have enjoyed their day fishing, making jokes at each others expense, bragging rights and so forth. Later on, by the cookingfire, the stories, jokes and fun would have continued. There would also have been a message for the younger generation for respecting and conserving natures gifts in the days events too.

I watched this video 3 times I can't see them actively mocking their prey's suffering, indifference yes, their catch should, as I mentioned before be killed quickly. They taste better if you do that too.

Please just call it what it is "Recreational Killing"

Recreational killing it is but I shall still call it recreational fishing. Recreational Killing is a broad term and can be used to describe many types of killing. Pet ownership is often a form of recreational killing by proxy. If you own a dog and feed it meat then some other animal has died for your desire and choice to have a pet dog. I've had dogs and cats, none now but have no problem with people keeping them. If you own a cat in suburban, semi rural or rural Australia you often justify the killing of many native animals by proxy. The last person I lived with owned a cat, every second or third night some native creature would be brought indoors. I'd wake to it's remains strewn across the kitchen floor or sometimes, in lengthy process of killing that cats practice, the animal would escape and would found in some bolt hole (usually by the smell or flies) or, if the animal flew, clinging desperately to the curtains or trying to smash it's way through the window. I used to wake to a bat flying around the house sometimes. The only other way of doing it is to put the cat in a run, which is cruel to the cat.

Oh you know they did, and probably skinned them alive to boot :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Yes, most likely the fish did suffocate, skinning a live fish would be extremely difficult and I don't think they're that stupid.

What skill? They convinced the catfish that they were just big chunks of meat. They convinced me they were just big chunks of meat barely a minute into the video.
The skill of observation, of understanding your prey's behaviour, the best part river to fish. The physical skill of swimming, diving and wrangling a large fish to the surface. Avoiding it's spines, preparing, cooking and eating it.
 
Back to the topic. The reason they put that ugly carpet on the marble floor is that they may be doing renovations in the building and that carpet is there to protect the floors from workers boots, spills and the transport of building materials to and from the lifts or stairs.

The other possible reason is that the carpet is there to stop people falling over when the floor gets wet. A tiny puddle is enough to send someone flying, especially if they're overweight and wearing heels..

Still doesn't account for the sloppy work with the carpet, all they had to do was take the door off cut 5mm off the base and re hang it! :rolleyes:

Cheers
 
Brewer said:
I doubt too that Native Americans would have laughed at their catches suffering too and most probably would killed them quickly. However,

Whatever to however...the point is that these two inbred, moronic, lumps don't have ANY respect or mercy for their prey, so don't compare them to Native Americans.

Recreational killing it is but I shall still call it recreational fishing.

To each their own euphemisms ... I prefer reality.

Yes, most likely the fish did suffocate, skinning a live fish would be extremely difficult and I don't think they're that stupid.

Skinning catfish alive is VERY common...they spike it to a board and peel down the hide as the poor animal wiggles.

The skill of observation, of understanding your prey's behaviour, the best part river to fish. The physical skill of swimming, diving and wrangling a large fish to the surface. Avoiding it's spines, preparing, cooking and eating it.

I didn't see ANY of that in the video, what I saw was a couple of 21st century neanderthals jumping in a creek and shoving their fists down a hungry animals mouth. NO skill required, unless you count remembering put down your can of beer first as a skill?
 
I regret posting the video in that this started such an emotional response. Those "21st century neanderthals " are most likely ignorant. They are probably unaware of respect for giving up life for others to live. They know only what they regionally know. In watching the video they never did laugh at the suffering fish, they are ignorant. They did laugh at what they do know, all internally considerate in regards to enjoying the thrill of the hunt. For us to belabor the point on those who we know enjoy infliction of pain, I do not think this was the case. I regret stirring up emotions and had no intent to do so. Seems there are two sides of this coin and we are ignoring the Law of Three.
 
I've watched that video a couple of times now and can't understand enough of what they're saying to be sure if they're enjoying the suffering of the fish or not (they're speaking quite fast at times and I'm not Southern). To me, it seems that they're more engrossed with the whole 'look what us guys did' thing. They're people acting mechanically and have probably done this so many times that it's normal to them.

I can only guess that they don't use other methods of catching fish because they either can't afford things like nets or rods/lines or maybe they find it easier for themselves and really give no thought to the fish. I hope they actually ate them at least.

None of this is in any way a defense of their behaviors but just my current thoughts on it.

To Al,

I get the feeling that you're trying to apologize for any upset (correct me if I'm off). If you are, the problem with how you're going about it (I think) is that after you say that you regret posting the video or upsetting anyone, you come in with a defense. If you want to apologize, just do so in a straightforward manner and leave it at that. Adding anything more to it with respect to defending makes it sound as if you're not really sorry.

I also think that it was Al's intention to show the ridiculousness of the guys in the video in an attempt to have a rapport with you, Guardian, and lost sight of/ignored that a being was hurt in the process (corrections welcome).

Guardian,

People make mistakes. Al has said a couple of times now that he regrets posting the video and upsetting you. While I appreciate why the video makes you angry, can't you find it in your heart to accept his apology? All of us are trying to learn how to better discern between normal and pathological behavior.
 
truth seeker said:
I get the feeling that you're trying to apologize for any upset (correct me if I'm off). If you are, the problem with how you're going about it (I think) is that after you say that you regret posting the video or upsetting anyone, you come in with a defense. If you want to apologize, just do so in a straightforward manner and leave it at that. Adding anything more to it with respect to defending makes it sound as if you're not really sorry.

If I was not straight forward in my apology, how else could have I said this? This repition of apology is a response to an old issue where one would not accept an apology. 'Tis my experience difficult for me to apologize and being ignored and has been thrown back at me. From now on when I apologize and no response is given, as hard as that may be, I will not continue.
 
Al Today said:
If I was not straight forward in my apology, how else could have I said this? This repition of apology is a response to an old issue where one would not accept an apology. 'Tis my experience difficult for me to apologize and being ignored and has been thrown back at me. From now on when I apologize and no response is given, as hard as that may be, I will not continue.

I understand what you're saying about the repetition of apology and have had the same problem. It can be difficult especially when one either feels they are not or are directly not heard and there is a time to not respond back or further feed into it. All I'm saying though, is a direct 'I apologize for hurting you, Guardian.' is sufficient. While you basically said this, each time there seemed to be a desire to further explain. I understand why you felt the the need to, but it can sound lightly like the yes, but syndrome. Also keep in mind also that is wasn't only you that I addressed in my post so please don't feel singled out (if you do).
 
Al Today said:
I regret posting the video in that this started such an emotional response. Those "21st century neanderthals " are most likely ignorant. They are probably unaware of respect for giving up life for others to live. They know only what they regionally know. In watching the video they never did laugh at the suffering fish, they are ignorant. They did laugh at what they do know, all internally considerate in regards to enjoying the thrill of the hunt. For us to belabor the point on those who we know enjoy infliction of pain, I do not think this was the case. I regret stirring up emotions and had no intent to do so. Seems there are two sides of this coin and we are ignoring the Law of Three.

No regrets Al, please, you didn't do anything wrong. The responses to your post have been very educational.

Thanks
 
truth seeker said:
People make mistakes. Al has said a couple of times now that he regrets posting the video and upsetting you. While I appreciate why the video makes you angry, can't you find it in your heart to accept his apology?

Of course, but I didn't hear an apology before his most recent couple of posts (that I haven't responded to) All I saw were explanations/excuses for the cruel and shameful behavior of a couple of deep fried bubbaturds. :huh:
 
Although I never really thought of it befrore... but guardian has a point... I'm a hunter and fisher and always kill them clean but til he/she pointed out the suffering of the fish I never thought much about it...

Although when I take fish/meat for my own, I didnt really put 2 and 2 together in this video... maybe I just assumed that they killed the fish quickly after the camera quit rolling


So much for assumptions
 
Al Today said:
If I was not straight forward in my apology, how else could have I said this?
Well, I usually use something like "I'm sorry" or "I apologize" if that's what I mean. No beating around the bush, I just spit it out.

This repition of apology is a response to an old issue where one would not accept an apology.

Like I said, I didn't hear an apology before now. Not liking the fact that you're doing something is not the same being sorry...at least not to me. What I heard was you trying to rationalize the why the animals were being treated.

Anyway, your intent to apologize is clear now, and I certainly do accept your apology. :flowers:
 
Catching up with this thread, I was struck with the realization that if this thread were an individual, it'd be a very good example of how very different the world looks from the perspective of the left hemisphere and from the perspective of the right hemisphere. Because they process information differently, each of our hemispheres think about different things, they care about different things, and perhaps even have very different personalities. And they can be brought together as the end of this thread also shows. :)

If no one has had the experience of being able to shut off the internal dialog yet - to stop the left hemispheric chatter, then there is a big surprise in store that relates directly to what is being expressed on this thread, and from what perspective, OSIT.

As a side note FWIW, my position is that the Work is not about discerning pathology or anything else. The Work is about awakening the emotional center. The emotional center is well able to do all that discerning for us once it is awake as I try to show below:

When I'm out of my left mind, so-to-speak, there is total linguistic-related silence that can be somewhat comparatively shocking. I am immediately captivated by the magnificence of the energy around me. I don't easily identify the limits of my 'Self'.

When my calculating intelligence is 'off', I can't even define where I begin and where I end, because it seems the components of my body blend with the atoms and molecules of whoever or whatever is around me - my entire environment. Everything that can be detected is connected directly to the sensation of energy. I feel enormous and expansive. I feel no difference between me and all the energy that seems to exist, and it is beautiful.

From the right hemisphere's perspective, information, in the form of energy, streams in simultaneously through all of our sensory systems and then it explodes into this enormous collage or montage or wholeness involving all the sensory inputs and many other impressions. Cognition is done with impression-based images - learning seems to be kinesthetic through the need to move the body.

I feel enormous and expansive, and my spirit soars free, like something gliding through a huge silent sea that is in motion. Sometimes I feel like there's no way I could ever be able to squeeze the enormousness of myself back inside this comparatively tiny physical container. It's like I'm an energy being connected to the energy all around me through the awareness of my right hemisphere and it's emotional cognition.

Then I look at other people. I somehow feel that we are - all of us - the life force power of the universe, with the ability of manual dexterity and at least two cognitive minds that need to be made as one.

So, I'm saying that we are all energy beings connected to one another and to all of life everywhere - above and below the waters - through the consciousness of our right hemispheres as one living family. And right here, right now, we are all connected and here to make the world a better place.

In this state, it is not even conceivable to do violence to another life form for any reason. If life must be taken, it can only be consciously done from an attitude position of utmost respect and thanksgiving.

You have to feel this to know it, and it's well worth the effort. :)

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"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people...Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself...Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision."

-Chief Tecumseh, Shawnee Nation
 
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