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[truth seeker]

If I was not straight forward in my apology, how else could have I said this?

Well, I usually use something like "I'm sorry" or "I apologize" if that's what I mean. No beating around the bush, I just spit it out.

This repition of apology is a response to an old issue where one would not accept an apology.

Like I said, I didn't hear an apology before now. Not liking the fact that you're doing something is not the same being sorry...at least not to me. What I heard was you trying to rationalize the why the animals were being treated.

Anyway, your intent to apologize is clear now, and I certainly do accept your apology.

Yeah, that's what I was attempting to make clear to Al. Basically the apology lacked a sense of genuineness. Many thanks, Guardian.

 

[Al Today]

After a good nights sleep, in rereading this thread, I do see that I did not use the words "I'm sorry", nor did I say "I apologize". I am curious as to why after all that noise I wrote, I never did say those words. Why? I don't know. Seems I was caught up spewing out rhetoric like a politician and not getting right to the point. Old emotions from youth popped up and festerd in me as reliving old wounds. I now see that I was pleading for acceptance and approval.

Guardian, thank you for accepting my apology, obscure as it was. I am sorry.

 

[Brewer]

Whatever to however...the point is that these two inbred, moronic, lumps don't have ANY respect or mercy for their prey, so don't compare them to Native Americans.

Where do I compare these two guys to Native Americans? How do you know they're inbred? Maybe they do show respect when fishing but it's not apparent here. You've worked all this out from 3 mins of video. Who knows they could be OPs and don't know any better.

Recreational killing it is but I shall still call it recreational fishing.

To each their own euphemisms ... I prefer reality.

Indeed. I've already explained why call it that so as to differentiate from other types of recreational killing and used keeping a domesticated cat, which many do, as an example of how one can kill (by proxy) literally hundreds of native creatures over the course of the cat's lifetime. That's true if you live in the US, Europe or Australia. You chose not to say anything about it.

If I was to get a cat, I guarantee you that this fellow, http://birdsinbackyards.net/species/Ptilonorhynchus-violaceus who maintains a 'pick up joint' just a few metres from my house would be catfood within months. You can take that to the bank. I bought my house 10 months ago, all my surrounding neighbours were relieved that I didn't have a cat and had no intention of getting one. Satin Bower Birds are a pure delight to observe and hear and this guy has taken a liking to my blue clothes pegs and the bits of blue duct tape that hold my house together!

Skinning catfish alive is VERY common...they spike it to a board and peel down the hide as the poor animal wiggles.

Evidence for this? For best tasting fish it's best to bleed them first. A bled fish is a dead fish.

I didn't see ANY of that in the video, what I saw was a couple of 21st century neanderthals jumping in a creek and shoving their fists down a hungry animals mouth. NO skill required, unless you count remembering put down your can of beer first as a skill?

Of course you don't see that, what do you expect? A montage of their noodling lives leading up to this moment? Re-enactments? They make it look unskilled because they're good at it. I make my ambulance work look pretty easy, I make my vehicle rescue work look easy too. I've some experience and skill at it, I know what to do and it works, simple as that. You see the world through your own lens.

I try not to judge or hate others based on what I see once or twice on youtube or elsewhere. If a particular person or persons leaves a large footprint on the 'net be through video, other peoples (trusted) reports or through that person's own writings on various fora then I shall begin to form a picture of them.

 

[anart]

Catching up with this thread, I was struck with the realization that if this thread were an individual, it'd be a very good example of how very different the world looks from the perspective of the left hemisphere and from the perspective of the right hemisphere.

What I see in this thread is programs running pretty much all around with no one even trying to reign them in. Responses have been emotional, rude, aggressive and hard headed - none of which is something that I'd expect from people sincerely engaged in the Work. It is a good opportunity to observe programs, however.

 

[Laura]

Reminds me of why I don't like to fish.

 

[Guardian]

You chose not to say anything about it.

Correct, I decided just to ignore you.

 

[Guardian]

Guardian, thank you for accepting my apology, obscure as it was. I am sorry.

I realize that now
I also realized that it wasn't you I was angry at, it's the guys who were abusing the animals that made me see red. Folks are right about the programs too, nothing makes me as mad as seeing an animal (or child) hurt and abused...and it is an automatic reaction of a sort.

 

[Guardian]

So, I'm saying that we are all energy beings connected to one another and to all of life everywhere - above and below the waters -

YES!! When I watched those poor fish dying I could feel my own chest tightening like I couldn't get enough air.

They are my kin, in fact, we even look a little alike...big mouths, stray whiskers sticking out in odd places, kinda fat in the middle. ;)

 

[anart]

You chose not to say anything about it.

Correct, I decided just to ignore you.

This isn't really helpful and it would be appreciated if we could keep the snarkiness to a minimum on the forum, please.

 

[anart]

I also realized that it wasn't you I was angry at, it's the guys who were abusing the animals that made me see red. Folks are right about the programs too, nothing makes me as mad as seeing an animal (or child) hurt and abused...and it is an automatic reaction of a sort.

And the point of being here on the forum is to learn how not to be ruled by such automatic reactions. Don't worry, you weren't the only one - as I mentioned earlier, this thread is a like 'programs on parade'.

 

[Guardian]

And the point of being here on the forum is to learn how not to be ruled by such automatic reactions.

The thing is, I'm really not sure that's one I want to change. Don't get me wrong, I have a bucket full of programs I do want to change, but being angered by animal (or child) abuse isn't one of them. It's hard to explain, but it feels natural....more like I came pre-programed this way?

 

[Laura]

And the point of being here on the forum is to learn how not to be ruled by such automatic reactions.

The thing is, I'm really not sure that's one I want to change. Don't get me wrong, I have a bucket full of programs I do want to change, but being angered by animal (or child) abuse isn't one of them. It's hard to explain, but it feels natural....more like I came pre-programed this way?

Notice that the point is "not to be ruled by such automatic reactions". It is NOT to not be angered by anything that justifiably deserves it. The point is to be able to channel the anger appropriately and not say and do things that you regret or that require "cleaning up" afterward. To be "impeccable" by conserving energy for what counts.

I would speculate that, very often, people are cruel to animals or children because they are children themselves inside and it is just mis-directed anger.

 

[anart]

And the point of being here on the forum is to learn how not to be ruled by such automatic reactions.

The thing is, I'm really not sure that's one I want to change. Don't get me wrong, I have a bucket full of programs I do want to change, but being angered by animal (or child) abuse isn't one of them. It's hard to explain, but it feels natural....more like I came pre-programed this way?

Well, that's certainly your choice and no one is saying that being angered by animal or child abuse is the issue here. In fact, that's not the issue at all.

Do you really think that's the issue here? I don't think you do. In fact, I think it's a bit of a 'straw man argument' - meaning one that's easy to knock down and has nothing at all to do with the issue at hand.

The issue at hand is that this is an esoteric forum based on the Work of G.I. Gurdjieff and the Cassiopaean Experiment. Approaching an Objective view of reality is one of the main goals of this forum and in order to do that, the people engaged in that Work must clean their own personal lenses - clean their machines - so that they learn how not to go off, running on emotional energy and missing the entire point of everything. It is about Knowing the self and being in full control, at all times, of oneself.

Emotionally reacting to things and posting snarky or aggressive statements fueled on that emotion is pretty much the opposite of Knowing and Being in control of the self. Only through a clean machine can any individual see Reality AS IT IS - and doing that is key to making any objective beneficial difference at all to anyone (or anything).

So - of course it's your choice and just know that as long as you're here with us, which hopefully will be for a long time, that this is what is going to be pointed out time and again because, basically, it's what we do. :)

 

[Guardian]

Notice that the point is "not to be ruled by such automatic reactions". It is NOT to not be angered by anything that justifiably deserves it. The point is to be able to channel the anger appropriately and not say and do things that you regret or that require "cleaning up" afterward. To be "impeccable" by conserving energy for what counts.

OK, that is a difficult one for me, because I usually don't regret saying what I think (unless I got something wrong) and I probably should because you're right, there a LOT to be angry at these days. I'm not going to actually DO anything about how the bubbaturds treat the fish...so it's a waste of energy. I think I hear you saying I should save it for when I can actually use it to change something?

 

[Guardian]

Well, that's certainly your choice and no one is saying that being angered by animal or child abuse is the issue here. In fact, that's not the issue at all.

Do you really think that's the issue here? I don't think you do.

Well not now, but it certainly was, at least for me. The complete lack of concern for the suffering of the fish, and their slow deaths being viewed as an amusement was absolutely the issue for me. I have a BIG problem with people torturing animals for fun....then defending the practice with a bunch of lame excuses and unrelated commentary.

Emotionally reacting to things and posting snarky or aggressive statements fueled on that emotion is pretty much the opposite of Knowing and Being in control of the self.

I get it, sometimes the way I express my honest feelings is snarky. The next time I decide to ignore someone I'll just do it instead of telling them. :)