“Operators and Things: The Inner Life of a Schizophrenic” by Barbara O’Brien

Interesting book, I'am reading it now and it's very astonishing to know that you can be so easy manipulated with thoughts, I'am going to watch them closely for sure. I read about attachments but never imagined they are so active. I also think there is some pyramid spirit, monster, demon, ultra-terrestrial hierarchy, and these could be like Approaching Infinity said dead dudes probably and city council is from where they get they orders, don't think they are 4D STS because C's said if i remember correctly there are 2 million greys here, 300000 lizzies and 60 000 and something Orion STS humans, and it seems there are much more operators in game, and thy are not all so malevolent. It looks like they compete to create emotional reaction and get points for that so I see it like they are making food for those masters of theirs and get points for it and if they have more points they get higher in chain of power. And it looks they are on 3D, like ghosts, in some astral level, and 4D STS can't probably be long on that level.

I remembered the conversation of Conroy’s men. “They said my head was open on a hinge.”

“It was, then,” Rink said. The picture of the outline of a head flashed before my eyes. “I’m projecting a picture so you’ll understand this. When a Thing’s mind is open on a hinge, the cells around the outside of the mind are closed tightly except for a little section at the top.” An invisible knife cut into the head as if it were a pie and removed a thin slice.

“When the mind is opened wide, the rest of the cells are opened.” The slice widened until it was the size of three quarters of the head. “When a Thing’s mind is wide open, dozens of Operators can get in easily. If an Operator is using a Thing as bait, the mind is always kept wide open. Nothing attracts an Operator like a wide-open head. He can’t resist it.”

I think that's happen when you get possessed, your head is wide open, you hear words that get you crazy or get you commit suicide. No wonder they can't resist it, much food for upper class and points for them!
 
I finished this book about a week ago. There was distinction made between "Operators" and "Hook Operators". Although Operators could "hook" other Operators, the Hook Operators exclusively "hooked" "Things". My interpretation was that Operators more closely resembled hyperdimensional 4D STS beings, or the cosmic tricksters referred to by Keel. Hook Operators were synonymous with the psychopathic humans among us... the ones we meet in the work place.

That was certainly a strange little book. I have been thinking more about "Something" that the writer attributes to her ability to have made the correct moves at critical junctures - and that she felt was the reason why she hit the road when she knew that she was going around the bend, in addition to going into the casino when she was desperately in need of money - and brilliantly choosing the winning roulette numbers, etc. Decisions that she seemingly made without the input of the Operators. Perhaps 4D STO will be similar to being constantly in that state of "Something", drawing on the inner knowledge that we can only sometimes access now.
 
I am reading this now and it is the most disturbing book I've read in years, maybe ever.

Some days I think, what the hell, why am I here? How did this world become such hell? Has it always been hell and it is only the awareness coming to me now of just how insane this world really is?

If such things as described in this book are true, even remotely, what then of concepts such as karma; I mean, how can one be held accountable and responsible for actions that are not one's own? Is it the ability to withstand the torrential torture of such mind games, the whisperers as some traditions call them, that decides whether one is truly free or not?

Seriously, why must one incarnate into a world where we cannot see the majority of the reality going on?! :mad:

All in all I find it depressing, and I didn't think it could get more depressing! :lol:

If only I was cowardly, I could pretend I'd never learnt what I have learnt and could pretend it would be OK to stop reading such things.

Of course that is my own brand of insanity talking, for what does it matter if one stops reading or not; it doesn't alter the fact that such things are and by pretending to be blind is just about as stupid as actually poking one's eyes out.

Brings a lot of experiences in life into new light however.

Perturbed,

H
 
Herakles said:
I am reading this now and it is the most disturbing book I've read in years, maybe ever.

Some days I think, what the hell, why am I here? How did this world become such hell? Has it always been hell and it is only the awareness coming to me now of just how insane this world really is?

If such things as described in this book are true, even remotely, what then of concepts such as karma; I mean, how can one be held accountable and responsible for actions that are not one's own? Is it the ability to withstand the torrential torture of such mind games, the whisperers as some traditions call them, that decides whether one is truly free or not?

Seriously, why must one incarnate into a world where we cannot see the majority of the reality going on?! :mad:

All in all I find it depressing, and I didn't think it could get more depressing! :lol:

If only I was cowardly, I could pretend I'd never learnt what I have learnt and could pretend it would be OK to stop reading such things.

Of course that is my own brand of insanity talking, for what does it matter if one stops reading or not; it doesn't alter the fact that such things are and by pretending to be blind is just about as stupid as actually poking one's eyes out.

Brings a lot of experiences in life into new light however.

Perturbed,

H

I find it helps to remember that Karma works perfectly and automatically; it doesn't need us to worry over the balance sheet, which is pointless anyway since we have such hopelessly limited perspective. Basically, "God has a plan." All we have to do is keep collecting information, keep trying to do the right thing based on what we know, and learn from our mistakes to better perfect our performance.

Sure, none of us are Free. We're all part of God doing what we do, have done, will do, forever and it won't make total sense until we reach 7th Density. So why sweat it? We're puppets on a stage pretending at Free Will. Give it your all, enjoy the play, but don't think that you can change anything. Gurdjieff made that clear.

Though, there is a fascinating proviso I've learned. . .

It seems from what I observe that while we can't change the direction or the content of the acts in this endlessly revolving play, we CAN change the quality of our performances. And, I've also noticed, that we can sometimes leave the stage and take the same show to a different theater with better seating, lighting, music, actors and everything. I find that aspect really interesting. It seems that even though we do the same things over and over, we can work to do them with more grace, (which equates often to "Less Fear and Pain"), and after a certain point, after enough work, we are promoted to a new league where everybody else is also working at that new level. This seems to be the process of life, and even when we don't notice the machine or the repetitions, the lessons still have their effect.

Also there's the Wave, and who knows what that will change! Maybe it will blow apart the gears of the world entirely and allow a taste of real Freedom after all. . ? (I doubt it, but in any case, I suspect the machine we are part of will probably be more interesting.)

So even though the whole thing can seem depressing and hopeless, there's a lot of really neat stuff to work towards, some of it really unique, like the Wave.

Basically, I encourage you to keep on dancing. Cuz I read that book as well, and it CAN be a kick in the arse, but it's a kick which can make the whole world a lot more interesting; the ugly is a lot more ugly, and the beauty a lot more beautiful. Better lighting.

:)
 
I read this book about five or six years ago and found it so fascinating that I couldn't put it down. I read it in a day and half. I loaned it out and it hasn't made its way back to me. It provides a great deal of insight into the motivations of those who find it necessary to manipulate others. Though it is a little unsettling, I highly recommend it.
 
Operators and Things has just been re-published. Thanks to the "Neglected Books" blog for giving me the heads up! ;)

_http://neglectedbooks.com/?p=1076

Operators and Things: Barbara O’Brien’s classic memoir of schizophrenia–now in print AND online
July 14th, 2011

Cover of first US edition of 'Operators and Things'The always-alert Robert Nedelkoff just tipped me off on the release of one of the most memorable and–until now–rarest neglected books discussed on this site: Barbara O’Brien’s 1958 memoir of schizophrenia, Operators and Things: The Inner Life of a Schizophrenic. First published by an obscure press, Arlington Books, then reissued as an Avon paperback with a cover that probably led more than stores and buyers to consider it a pulp SF novel, O’Brien’s book remains unique in its depiction of schizophrenia as experienced from the inside out.

In the book, O’Brien describes waking up one morning to find herself living in a world populated by “Operators,” who are the ultimate embodiment of the paranoic’s concept of the people in control, the ones working according to a secret plan, the ones pulling the strings of power and influence–and by “Things,” the puppets manipulated and exploited by the Operators. She, of course, is a Thing, and she spends the next six months travelling around the country by Greyhound bus, following (but also trying to resist) the instructions of the Operators.

Operators and Things: The Inner Life of a Schizophrenic was reissued back in the mid-1970s as a mass-market paperback in both the US and the UK, but it’s been out of print since then, commanding prices ranging between $25 and $250 in the last decade. Now, however, it’s available in trade paperback from Silver Birch Press with an introduction by Michael Macoby, who’s better known for his books on leadership in the business world, a preface by scriptwriter Melanie Villines, and an afterwood by Colleen Delegan. Villines and Delegan have written an unproduced screenplay based on the boook.

However, I also found that, over a year ago, someone published Operators and Things: The Inner Life of a Schizophrenic as an eBook on Smashwords.com. You can read it online or download a copy in PDF, EPUB, Kindle, and other formats–with Macoby’s introduction but sans Villines’ and Delegan’s pieces.

Either way, I recommend discovering this remarkable book–which moved 14 different people to post 5-star reviews on Amazon despite its being out of print and virtually unheard-of in the last decade.
Update

After posting this, I received an email from Melanie Villines with some additional information about the new release:

The Silver Birch Press edition of Operators and Things includes a NEW (!) interview with Michael Maccoby (conducted in Sept. 2010) that offers some fascinating insights into the book. Our edition also includes beautiful period photos by iconic photographers Esther Bubley, Russell Lee, and John Vachon. My foreword also offers an overview of how the book has been received by the public and press since its publication and includes info about my personal interactions with some of the original players (agent, publishers, and others connected with the book). Thanks for your kind consideration and thoughtful attention.


Bubley, Lee, and Vachon were all members of Roy Stryker’s remarkable team of Farm Security Administration photographers, by the way, which created one of the greatest photographic records of American life during the 1930s and 1940s.
 
Approaching Infinity said:
Operators and Things has just been re-published. Thanks to the "Neglected Books" blog for giving me the heads up! ;)
...

Thanks for that A. I. . I'll definitely consider getting one. The one I read came from a University library.
 
Raintree said:
Shijing said:
[...]
I am trying to puzzle through exactly what cryptogeographic beings really are -- for those who haven't read the book, these are identified with the creatures called 'Operators' (whereas normal human beings are referred to as 'Things'). Their mode of existence is obviously STS, and they have super-human abilities (including existing beyond human perception for the most part), yet I don't know if they could be considered 4D in the way we usually think of it. They seem to invisibly inhabit our plane of existence, whereas true 4D STS can only interact directly in 3D for limited periods of time, and are sometimes superimposed over what we would usually perceive as normal people.
[...]
FWIW, I've compiled a list of excerpts from the sessions that seems to suggests that these cryptogeographic beings are hybridized bi-density beings:

September 9 said:
[...]
Q: (L) Well, on the subject of abduction: we watched a film on television, Monday the 28th, that was a purported video of an alien autopsy, or, more correctly, an autopsy on an alien body. Was this, in fact, an alien?
A: How do you define "alien?"
Q: (L) Was it a being other than a naturally born human on this planet as we know human beings?
A: That is correct.
Q: (L) It was other than a naturally born human?
A: Correct.
Q: (L) Okay. What kind of a being was this?
A: Hybrid.
Q: (L) What was it a hybrid of - combining what elements?
A: Cybergenetic creatures you refer to as "Grays," and earth human such as yourself, third density. So, in essence, it was a hybridization of a 3rd density and 4th density being.
Q: (L) Okay, was this a 4th density being.
A: No. If you listen to the response - it was a 3rd and 4th density being.
Q: (L) How can a being be both 3rd and 4th density?
A: It is the environmental surroundings that count, not the structure of the individual. The same is true, for you. After all, you have read literature stating that your world or planet is in the process of ascending from 3rd to 4th density, have you not?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: And this literature has also stated that this is an ongoing process, has it not?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Then, one must wonder, if it is an ongoing process, how would it be possible, if it is not possible, for a being to be in both 3rd and 4th density at one time... Also, if you will recall from review material, you are currently living in the same environment as
2nd and 1st density level beings. Is this not true?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: At least that is what you have been told. So, therefore, it is possible for a being to be in 3rd and 4th density. And as we have also told you, when 4th density beings visit 3rd density environment, they are, in effect, 3rd density beings, and vice versa. The
so-called abduction takes place, especially if it is a physical abduction, the subject becomes temporarily 4th density, because it is the environment that counts. And the key factor there is awareness, not physical or material structure.
Q: (L) I have a paper here that talks about the Grays and says that they have two brains: an anterior brain and a posterior brain; and that if you shoot one - this is what it says, I am not suggesting that I want to shoot anybody - that if you shoot one, and
only shoot one part of the brain, that it does not die; that you have to shoot it in a special way and get both brains in order to kill one. Is this a correct concept?
A: Well, it is rather puzzling. Brings up a lot of questions. One question that comes to mind is: why would one seek to shoot anything.
Q: (L) Well, I didn't suggest that I wished to, this is just what this paper says here.
A: The physical description is accurate in terms one variety of what is referred to as the Grays. It does have an anterior brain. However, this is secondary to all other issues. And, also we would suggest that it would not be advisable to seek to cause
physical harm to any particular species. Therefore, it may be advisable to disregard the information contained in the work that you are describing.
Q: (L) It also says that the Grays have to be very close to a person to telepathically link with that person. Is this correct?
A: Close? No, as we have described to you before, there are technological processes involved which do not require close physical proximity as you measure it. But, this is very complicated. It follows dimensional windows and that sort of thing, which you
do not fully understand, therefore it would not be advisable to go into that in great detail. But, the general answer to that question is no.
Q: (L) It also says that they implant some sort of crystal on the optic nerve of humans that is 2 to 4 microns in diameter and that this crystal is tuned to the frequency of the indvidual's implanting it, which allows them to establish a mental frequency for
communication. Is that anywhere along the line of what you are talking about?
A: Physical implantations do occur. The precise locations vary according to the desired effects. And when it comes to the interactions between the human species in 3rd density, and other STS issues in 4th density, there are a variety of mechanisms in use
as well as a variety of directives and objectives. For example, some implants are used merely for tracking. Others are used to alter consciousness, and still others are designed to be mind altering or motor altering mechanisms. Each of these has a different
structure and a different material content according to which is being employed and for what purpose. The particular function you are describing there has been used, or, rather, something similar, though we are not completely familiar with that which you
have described. So, we suggest that this may be fabrication to some extent, or expansion of accurate information. But, in any case, it is true that implants do get implanted for various reasons.
[…]

October 14 said:
[...]
(L) Like photocopies of newspaper clippings and stuff like that, but it's arranged in quite a comprehensive order. (SV) A lot of it is really scary. (L)
I want to ask about one thing from the Matrix material. I want to know who and what are the "Esseseni?"
A: Hybrids, new.
Q: (L) They are new hybrids? And what are they a hybridization of? What are the sources of the material for the hybridization?.
A: Humans and grays.
Q: (L) Are the Esseseni positively oriented beings, as has been suggested by some?
A: Split.
Q: (T): Some STS, some STO?
A: Yes.
[...]

Sept. 14 said:
[...]
(L) Another question we had was, in areas where 3rd and 4th density are merged or merging, is it easier for Men in Black to project themselves into such a reality.
A: Of course.
Q: (J) They once said something about bi-density beings. They were like hybrids between 4th density beings and a 3rd density being. Or could such an individual be a genetically enhanced human?
A: Humans were once "bi-density." And some may be again in the natural way. Those of 4D STS "manufacture" are similar. Just think of them as a type of OP with souped up engines.
[…]


November 23 said:
[...]
Q: (L) You have said twice that remote viewing was not "needed." Where did he get his information?
A: Secret sources. Agents of the nation "of the third eye."
Q: (J) What or who - is the "Nation of the Third Eye?"
A: Terran civilization under the surface.
Q: (L) Now, wait a minute. I remember that when they said the Aryans were brought from Kantek and that they were "sturdier or something like that, and I remarked that it seemed that they would be less sturdy - and the C's answered "on the surface."
Now, that has always bothered me. I don't think they meant "surface appearances." Have the Aryans been glorified as the "master race" because they are more suited to living underground?
A: Close. All types there are "Aryan."
Q: (L) Okay, is this a Terran underground civilization that has been 'managed' by Orions, or did it develop on its own?
A: One at a time.
Q: (L) Did the underground civilization develop on its own?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is it managed or manipulated by Orions as well?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are these "managers" Orions from other densities?
A: Yes and no.
Q: (L) I don't understand. Are there some that are 4th and some that are 3rd?
A: The human types there are "bi-density."
Q: (L) Holy Shiite Moslems!
A: Grays and Lizards are 4th density. They can "visit" 3rd density, but they must keep returning to 4th in order to "regenerate."
Q: (T) Are you saying that the human/Aryan types can exist as long as they want in any density?
A: In 4th and 3rd.
Q: (L) They can move back and forth, existing with equal ease on either density?
A: Well, not with "equal ease," because 4th density is easier, naturally.
Q: (T) So, the information Courtney Brown was given to write this quasi fiction book, is about the Aryans and not about the Martians?
A: "Martians" is easier to understand for the less well- informed, not to mention any discussion of the densities!
Q: (T) Absolutely. Martians are easier to accept. A lot easier to understand than densities! (L) Okay, Third Eye. What is this?
A: That is what they call themselves when pressed for an explanation by surface types, such as yourselves. They were the inspiration for Masonic lore and Illuminati, too.
Q: (L) Does this "Third Eye" designation have a connotation of third eye abilities as we understand them?
A: Psychic.
Q: (T) Does Courtney know he has been had?
A: He has not been "had." He is under the employ of those who pull the levers, so to speak.
Q: (L) You said "pull the levers." Is Courtney Brown a robot, Greenbaumed, mind-controlled,
implanted, or any or all of the above? (T) Or is he just foolish?
A: No. Not so foolish, he does not worry about paying the power bill. As Forest Gump said: "Stupid is as stupid does."
Q: (L) Are you implying that I am foolish or stupid because I DO worry about paying the power bill?
A: No, we are not implying that you are stupid, or foolish, for that matter... But, Courtney Brown is not either. Who is he hurting? And, he has hit the jackpot with this one. Knowledge can be procured by reading literature, then analyzing it.
Q: (T) Is the time table that he has given correct?
A: Close.
Q: (T) So, the powers that be are going to follow this time table and present the Aryans as Martians?
A: No.
Q: (L) Are the Aryans going to present themselves as Martians?
A: Initially. In order for the Terrans to get used to the idea of EBEs.
Q: (T) But, they are not the good guys. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
A: Some of the "good guys" are identical in appearance.
Q: (T) Is this a subterfuge on the part of the Aryans so that they can slide in quietly and take over?
A: No, they do not need that at all. It is a way for the "government" to introduce everyone to the new reality of the existence of intelligent life all over the place, not just here.
Q: (T) So, they have their own agenda, but it is not what Courtney presented in the book.
A: It does not matter. The book is a somewhat altered "New Reality 101."
[...]


I was just reading the karla Turner thread the other day, there is discussion about the whereabouts of an abductee that is central to her work from her book, Masquerade of Angels, named Ted Rice. (Enaid, REPLY #80), has posted an apparent correspondence from Ted, whereby he had turned up on another forum briefly to explain some things. In his correspondence he puts forward to proposition that he is a "hybrid":

Do they continue to do procedures on me? I don't recall a prodedure being done on me in years but again I think they have. I would need regression
work for details. Barbara Bartholic felt that I am a hybred. I will reply about my feelings regarding the aliens at a later time. Remind me please. Oh, thank you for keeping the questions to one or two at a time. My plate is very full at the moment and answering some of the questions can be quite lengthy. I am looking forward to participating.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,1558.75.html

And futher down in his posts he refers again to this. I have read her books, I don't recall if this "hybrid" idea is explored or mentioned though.
 
iloveyellow said:
Shijing said:
[...]
I am trying to puzzle through exactly what cryptogeographic beings really are -- for those who haven't read the book, these are identified with the creatures called 'Operators' (whereas normal human beings are referred to as 'Things'). Their mode of existence is obviously STS, and they have super-human abilities (including existing beyond human perception for the most part), yet I don't know if they could be considered 4D in the way we usually think of it. They seem to invisibly inhabit our plane of existence, whereas true 4D STS can only interact directly in 3D for limited periods of time, and are sometimes superimposed over what we would usually perceive as normal people.
[...]
FWIW, I've compiled a list of excerpts from the sessions that seems to suggests that these cryptogeographic beings are hybridized bi-density beings:

Hi, 'iloveyellow',

You are greatly confusing some concepts here and this has caused you to come to an erroneous conclusion. The term 'cryptogeographic being' describes a barely understandable entity/dynamic that is apparently hyperdimensional in nature and can, for one example, affect different people at the same time, in the same way, in vastly different locations. It is an undercurrent of similar influence or affect that surfaces through manifested actions/impressions or behavior in a number of widely dispersed locations at approximately the same 'time'. To put it simply, from all indications, it is a 'hand behind the curtain' affecting events in 3D reality with a pattern that, while discernible, is usually not understandable.

I realize the above description isn't entirely clear, but the phenomenon itself isn't entirely clear.

3D/4D hybrids are a completely different phenomenon and one that is also not fully understood at this point in time, though it seems to involve singular entities, as described by the C's.

Regarding this:



ily said:
I was just reading the karla Turner thread the other day, there is discussion about the whereabouts of an abductee that is central to her work from her book, Masquerade of Angels, named Ted Rice. (Enaid, REPLY #80), has posted an apparent correspondence from Ted, whereby he had turned up on another forum briefly to explain some things. In his correspondence he puts forward to proposition that he is a "hybrid":

Do they continue to do procedures on me? I don't recall a prodedure being done on me in years but again I think they have. I would need regression
work for details. Barbara Bartholic felt that I am a hybred. I will reply about my feelings regarding the aliens at a later time. Remind me please. Oh, thank you for keeping the questions to one or two at a time. My plate is very full at the moment and answering some of the questions can be quite lengthy. I am looking forward to participating.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,1558.75.html

And futher down in his posts he refers again to this. I have read her books, I don't recall if this "hybrid" idea is explored or mentioned though.

Ted thinking he is a hybrid has nothing to do with cryptogeographic beings, as I understand the term.
 
Hi Anart!

It was actually Shijing that was making the connection that "seems to suggests that these cryptogeographic beings are hybridized bi-density beings". He kindly "compiled a list of excerpts from the sessions that seems to suggests that these cryptogeographic beings are hybridized bi-density beings"


iloveyellow said:
Raintree said:
Shijing said:
[...]
[...]
FWIW, I've compiled a list of excerpts from the sessions that seems to suggests that these cryptogeographic beings are hybridized bi-density beings:

September 9 said:
[...]
Q: (L) Well, on the subject of abduction: we watched a film on television, Monday the 28th, that was a purported video of an alien autopsy, or, more correctly, an autopsy on an alien body. Was this, in fact, an alien?
A: How do you define "alien?"
Q: (L) Was it a being other than a naturally born human on this planet as we know human beings?
A: That is correct.
Q: (L) It was other than a naturally born human?
A: Correct.
Q: (L) Okay. What kind of a being was this?
A: Hybrid.
Q: (L) What was it a hybrid of - combining what elements?
A: Cybergenetic creatures you refer to as "Grays," and earth human such as yourself, third density. So, in essence, it was a hybridization of a 3rd density and 4th density being.
Q: (L) Okay, was this a 4th density being.
A: No. If you listen to the response - it was a 3rd and 4th density being.
Q: (L) How can a being be both 3rd and 4th density?
A: It is the environmental surroundings that count, not the structure of the individual. The same is true, for you. After all, you have read literature stating that your world or planet is in the process of ascending from 3rd to 4th density, have you not?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: And this literature has also stated that this is an ongoing process, has it not?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Then, one must wonder, if it is an ongoing process, how would it be possible, if it is not possible, for a being to be in both 3rd and 4th density at one time... Also, if you will recall from review material, you are currently living in the same environment as
2nd and 1st density level beings. Is this not true?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: At least that is what you have been told. So, therefore, it is possible for a being to be in 3rd and 4th density. And as we have also told you, when 4th density beings visit 3rd density environment, they are, in effect, 3rd density beings, and vice versa. The
so-called abduction takes place, especially if it is a physical abduction, the subject becomes temporarily 4th density, because it is the environment that counts. And the key factor there is awareness, not physical or material structure.
[…]

October 14 said:
[...]
(L) Like photocopies of newspaper clippings and stuff like that, but it's arranged in quite a comprehensive order. (SV) A lot of it is really scary. (L)
I want to ask about one thing from the Matrix material. I want to know who and what are the "Esseseni?"
A: Hybrids, new.
Q: (L) They are new hybrids? And what are they a hybridization of? What are the sources of the material for the hybridization?.
A: Humans and grays.

Q: (L) Are the Esseseni positively oriented beings, as has been suggested by some?
A: Split.
Q: (T): Some STS, some STO?
A: Yes.
[...]

Sept. 14 said:
[...]
(L) Another question we had was, in areas where 3rd and 4th density are merged or merging, is it easier for Men in Black to project themselves into such a reality.
A: Of course.
Q: (J) They once said something about bi-density beings. They were like hybrids between 4th density beings and a 3rd density being. Or could such an individual be a genetically enhanced human?
A: Humans were once "bi-density." And some may be again in the natural way. Those of 4D STS "manufacture" are similar. Just think of them as a type of OP with souped up engines.
[…]


November 23 said:
[...]
Q: (L) You have said twice that remote viewing was not "needed." Where did he get his information?
A: Secret sources. Agents of the nation "of the third eye."
Q: (J) What or who - is the "Nation of the Third Eye?"
A: Terran civilization under the surface.
Q: (L) Now, wait a minute. I remember that when they said the Aryans were brought from Kantek and that they were "sturdier or something like that, and I remarked that it seemed that they would be less sturdy - and the C's answered "on the surface."
Now, that has always bothered me. I don't think they meant "surface appearances." Have the Aryans been glorified as the "master race" because they are more suited to living underground?
A: Close. All types there are "Aryan."
Q: (L) Okay, is this a Terran underground civilization that has been 'managed' by Orions, or did it develop on its own?
A: One at a time.
Q: (L) Did the underground civilization develop on its own?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is it managed or manipulated by Orions as well?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are these "managers" Orions from other densities?
A: Yes and no.
Q: (L) I don't understand. Are there some that are 4th and some that are 3rd?
A: The human types there are "bi-density."
Q: (L) Holy Shiite Moslems!
A: Grays and Lizards are 4th density. They can "visit" 3rd density, but they must keep returning to 4th in order to "regenerate."
Q: (T) Are you saying that the human/Aryan types can exist as long as they want in any density?
A: In 4th and 3rd.

[...]

While I may not agree with Shijing that there "seems to suggests that these cryptogeographic beings are hybridized bi-density beings", I thought it was relevant to include Ted's comments that he wrote on the forum, whereby he stated that it might be that he is a hybrid, as there was such discussion of hybrids in the sessions quoted above - I have bolded the obvious bits for ease.
 
Okay, thanks, I misread your post. I think the confusion on Shijing's part has to do with the definition of a cryptogeographic being. Apologies for attributing that to you.

A cryptogeographic being and an 'alien hybrid' or 3D/4D hybrid are two completely separate things to my understanding. Of course, that understanding could always change, but I see no information in these particular C's quotes to change that understanding. It appears they are discussing 3D/4D hybrids, not cryptogeographic beings. fwiw.
 
Yes, yes, I see your point. Now I think of it, I'm unsure of Shijing's connection. I will have another read, and consider more about the term "cryptogeographic beings", in itself a cryptic term. I would like to give some attention to, and consider more deeply.

The idea of hybrids possibly mingling amongst us, while possibly certainly creepy, makes a lot of sense to me. How do I put this - it has occured to me, while observing the media and culture generally, that we are being primed to "give ourselves over" to something, or at least, being conditioned to accept a collective "mind", that may like to direct us. This is something that has "triggered" something in me unconsciously for many years, and I've only seen it escalating over the years, and with rising intensity and directives.

These things that have alterted my attention are, such as:

- music video clips where the singer is like being, and giving permission to be "taken over", aka possession-like.
- Zombie Day/Walks and events. We had that here in Melb (not sure if it is a global "celebration"), whereby people take to the streets (mainly the young), dressed as zombies (for charity, maybe?)
_http://www.theage.com.au/national/zombie-town-day-of-the-living-dead-descends-on-city-politely-20080614-2qno.html
- Strange advertisements where the actors seem to be "possessed" (is the only way I can describe it) or, seeming to be of one "mind", sometimes even claiming outright to be of "one mind"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZp9fs0XRo
- certain movies where humanity have either caught a virus or infection, or something(a possession), which takes them over and they behave in a collective manner, seemingly being influenced by an unseen force.

Because of this thread of attention in myself and my observations in the world, I thought the comments about hybrids (possibly amongs us), to be, not only interesting for curiostiy sake, but worth keeping an eye open about for knowledge and protection.

This could perhaps be another thread on the forum altogether :)

Hope this clarifies my angle, and that I haven't added to confusion by perhaps diverting the thread. I did think it falls in the same basket though - it is relevant to the book in discussion here.


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iloveyellow said:
It was actually Shijing that was making the connection that "seems to suggests that these cryptogeographic beings are hybridized bi-density beings". He kindly "compiled a list of excerpts from the sessions that seems to suggests that these cryptogeographic beings are hybridized bi-density beings"

Actually, as can be seen in what you quoted, it was Raintree when replying to Shijing.
 
I recently read Operators and Things and like many others on this thread -- it was a great read.

I love mentally toying with this idea of the unconscious aspect of ourselves which Operator and Things brings to center stage. When I first encountered the idea of the unconscious it took years, maybe decades to begin to comprehend it. Although it all appears so obvious to me now, it is such a simple concept, but it was a struggle for me to grasp. “We are conscious beings, what is there that is unconscious about us?”, I use to muse. I resisted the implication that there was an aspect of myself that was even unconscious.

Now, that unconscious aspect of myself appears astonishing. Our unconscious is a mystical aspect of ourselves, it is the bulk of us, all that is beneath the surface. Although unseen, it seems to me to be vast and stupendous. Without my unconscious, my conscious mind would have little meaning. Maybe no meaning.

Barbara O'Brien pointed out the ability to type without thinking about where the letters are, is an aspect of the unconscious. I experience that now as I type. To type with one finger would be torture. I'd have to search for each key.

I'd like to expand on this a little. I believe that our unconscious would include the ability to do all our programmed mechanical motions: eating, breathing, talking, walking, driving, use of our hands, any thing done with the body without the conscious mind guiding it. I also believe that the unconscious includes all our verbal skills, the skill to convert sounds into words and words into coherent thought. It would also include the ability to convert images into letters and to recognize strings of letters as words. It includes our ability to convert our visual input to into knowable objects. Chairs are chairs and tables our tables because of that immediate recognition supported by our unconscious minds.

When I watch myself drive sometimes I can see that the ability to keep my car on the road is totally automatic, totally mechanical. As I watch myself operate the steering wheel, it is almost as though there was someone else there doing the steering. Because of my poor hearing I often notice the gap between the perception of sound and connecting that sound with a meaningful word. Because I am noticing the gap I see the both the mechanical nature of the arising of the word or phrase from the sound. I also see the mystery of it.

I believe that self-observation (a la Gurdjieff or Buddhist mindfulness) makes our unconscious/mechanical aspects more apparent.

Our unconscious also includes the vast store house of memories, our analytic skills, our likes and dislikes, our aversions and our desires. And of course, it is where our dreams and our thoughts stream come from.

Although much of my unconscious seem instantly available (like memory in RAM) such as when typing or casual conversation (where there is no struggle for the words and thoughts to come to the surface.), I'm also aware that much of what is in my unconscious is slow to pull out (like trying to find a lost file). Our memories (with effort) can always be coaxed to always remember more, our minds can always be challenged to produce more associations. Our intuitions can always be expanded. It is as though part of our unconsciousness is very well mapped out and part is undiscovered territory.

And there is the aspect of our unconscious that appears beyond us either logically, spatially or temporally. O'Brien pointed out the example of her winning six times in a row at a casino or the ability to find water with a dowsing rod. This would include mind reading, intuition, channeling. The unconscious seems to be a portal as well.

I'm just trying to lay out a perspective of the unconscious here. I'm kind of making this up as I go along.

As far as “free will” goes, I have to say, the more I notice of my the mechanical aspects of the unconscious, it appears to me that I have less and less free will. (Yeah, I somewhat agree with you Woodsman.) I don't think the idea is to get rid of our mechanicalness, it may not be possible or even desirable, but just to be more and more aware of it.

Schizophrenia, per Barbara O'Brien, is what happens when the unconscious becomes split from the conscious, when the unconscious becomes walled off. I love O”Brien's imagery of “dry beach” as the conscious mind without the waves of the unconscious mind wetting it down. Taken to the extreme, I think is the catatonic schizophrenic, where even our unconscious motor skills are forbidden waves. This is a new understanding for me.

As others on this thread have already posted, the most disturbing notion of Operator and Things is, of course, the cryptogeograhpic beings that can come through the split mind.

Although hearing an alien voice in my mind would be quite disconcerting, what bothers me more are thoughts that I consider my own but have other origins. It's disturbing to know that I wouldn't know the difference between a thought that came from my mind and the mind of another.

When I was young about 15 (about 50 years ago) I attempted to do a mind reading experiment with a friend of my mothers, someone who I never met before. I thought up three numbers, focused on them and went into the kitchen where my mother and her friend were at. I asked the friend to “think of a number between one and ten.” My mother's friend successfully read my mind all three times while I was professing to be reading his mind. So, transferring thoughts from one entity to another is not an absurd reality for me.

Okay, I know what some of you are thinking – you are skeptical. Maybe my anecdote was rigged, accidental or coincidental. The probability of my little feat was only one in a thousand. People win the lottery with far greater odds. Yeah, even I entertain some doubts about this story of mine, but I'm still sticking to it.

My wife has remarked in the past that she has experienced emotions watching a movie in a theater full of people that she wouldn't have if watching it at home. She attributes it to acquiring the emotions of others.

It occurs to me now, as I write, that maybe nearly all my thoughts are not of my origin. They've all been programmed into me from birth, from all those around me, from the environment, my genetics, the culture, the powers that be.

I just read Timothy Trepanier's SOTT article “The Necessity of Disilllusionment.” He says it much better than I,

... our parents' belief systems become our own, whether it be religion, politics, socio-economic status, or favourite sports team. Our national identity is forged by the place we happened to be born. All our likes and dislikes, passions and prejudices, biases and beliefs, are inculcated into us by our family, peers, education, media and society. We are, effectively, a product of a roll of the geographical dice. The entire landscape of our minds is a product of external forces. There are hardly any thoughts inside us that are truly unique and our own.

Sure is a strange world we live in.

Well, then what is free will? I'd like to propose that, if we have it, that free will is only in the realm of the conscious and not the unconscious. Mostly, I'd like to suggest that it is an awareness of self, a developed sense of being, that which is not influenced or dependent on the unconscious or the external world. In my estimation free will is rare in our world and not acquired easily.
 
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