Oslo Bombing and Utoya Island Massacre

[Voyageur]

Re: Oslo Bombing

I thought that it was somewhat synchronous that I was reading articles on Sott about Norway's attitude toward doing business with Israeli companies and in the background heard the news channel on announcing the bombing and shooting in Oslo. Tell ya' my jaw dropped and certainly had me suspecting that it was a message of no coincidence (based on track records of those psychos).

Could be wrong, but the Sott flashbacks were intended to highlight the connecting dots.

Whatever is going on, people, particularly Norwegians and especially the families have suffered a shock of a despicable and disproportional nature and answers will be few and far between to help with their burdens - my condolences.

 

[Niall]

Re: Oslo Bombing

A SOTT Editor has found a video the killer supposedly created and uploaded to the Net just two days before the incidents:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=093_1311453213&jwp_version=4

He claims to have been a member of 'Knights Templar Europe' and rants against 'Islamic colonization' and 'Marxist multiculturalism'.

 

[Gawan]

Re: Oslo Bombing

A SOTT Editor has found a video the killer supposedly created and uploaded to the Net just two days before the incidents:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=093_1311453213&jwp_version=4

He claims to have been a member of 'Knights Templar Europe' and rants against 'Islamic colonization' and 'Marxist multiculturalism'.

In the news is also reported at the moment that the killer wrote also a manifest that's over 1500 pages big: "2083. A European Declaration of Independence".

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/europe/2011/07/24/manifesto-muslim-free-europe-infidel-free-middle-east

 

[Bo]

Re: Oslo Bombing

A SOTT Editor has found a video the killer supposedly created and uploaded to the Net just two days before the incidents:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=093_1311453213&jwp_version=4

He claims to have been a member of 'Knights Templar Europe' and rants against 'Islamic colonization' and 'Marxist multiculturalism'.

In the news is also reported at the moment that the killer wrote also a manifest that's over 1500 pages big: "2083. A European Declaration of Independence".

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/europe/2011/07/24/manifesto-muslim-free-europe-infidel-free-middle-east

I have found the manifesto online and skimmed through it.

He explains everything in detail, from how to create the bombs and why he did what he did in a questions and answer way(can be read at page 1315), there is also A LOT of informations about his political analyses regarding ''Marxist multiculturalism''.

Some examples;

Q: What tipped the scales for you? What single event made you decide you wanted to continue planning and moving on with the assault?


A: For me, personally, it was my government’s involvement in the attacks on Serbia (NATO bombings in 1999) several years back. It was completely unacceptable how the US and Western European regimes bombed our Serbian brothers. All they wanted was to drive Islam out by deporting the Albanian Muslims back to Albania. When the Albanians refused, they really didn’t have any choice but to use military force. By disallowing the Serbians the right for self-determination over their sovereign territory they indirectly dug a grave for Europe. A future where several Mini-Pakistan’s would eventually will be created in every Western European capital. This is unacceptable, completely unacceptable.



There have been several issues that have reaffirmed my beliefs since then. Among them; my governments cowardly handling of the Muhammad Cartoon issue and their decision to award the Nobel peace prize to an Islamic terrorist (Arafat) and appeasers of Islam. There have been tens of other issues. My government and our media capitulated to Islam several years ago, after the Rushdie event. Since then, it has gone downhill. Thousands of Muslims pouring in annually through our Asylum institution, or by family reunification. The situation is just chaotic. These suicidal traitors must be stopped.


Q: I guess you wanted to tell your friends about this. Has it been hard to live a “double life”, hiding your true political conservative revolutionary convictions?



A: At first it was extremely hard to avoid the temptation to tell your closest friends. I decided however to withhold all relevant information from them and everyone, not because I didn’t trust them, but rather because I wanted to avoid incriminating them. Revealing sensitive information to any of them would put them in a difficult spot, because they would be required by law to report this info to the authorities. It would also pose a serious threat to me if they decided to tell anyone. Adding any cell commanders on MSN or other online networks would be completely idiotic and reckless and would violate my oath. As such, I therefore only corresponded with moderate people who had no clue whatsoever about my clandestine activities. After all, a Justiciar Knight is not an ideologically insecure individual. A Justiciar Knight does not rely on constant babysitting or “patting on the back”. He is self driven and ideologically confident with proven daily rituals/meditation which keeps him going.



A couple of my friends have their suspicions though. However, I have managed to channel these suspicions far away from relating to my political convictions. Instead they suspect that I am playing WoW (and trying to hide it) and a couple of them believe that I have chosen semi-isolation because of some alleged homosexual relationship which they suspect I am trying to hide, LOL. Quite hilarious, as I am 100% hetero, but they may continue to believe what they want as it prevents them from asking more questions;)) My goal is obviously to prevent my closest network from asking specific questions, and it has worked perfectly so far.
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Q: You know that a large majority of people will end up viewing you as a complete nut right, despite your own and others efforts to justify violence?



A: I am fully aware that the media will attempt to label me as a nut. This is the most common strategy of combating political dissidents. I know that the cultural Marxists and the full force of the European multiculturalist mainstream media will do everything within their power to portray people like me as nothing more than delusional nut jobs. After all it’s their job to protect their interests. And they will succeed to a certain degree (we are currently too disorganised to counter their powerful propaganda machinery). I am fully aware that our current views are considered extreme. However, more spectacular operations will burden them and force public discussion. It will be increasingly harder for them to manipulate and distort the truth, or to prevent people from knowing what is going on. We are using brutal means because we have tried absolutely everything else. Within the boundaries of the EUSSR totalitarian system, we are left no choice.



With time (in phase 2 when the Muslims have reached 20-50%) more and more people will dig deeper into our material and understand that we are right.





Q: But doesn’t it worry you that 95% of all Europeans will openly detest you and call you a murderer and a terrorist?



A: It’s human nature to be selfish, to seek admiration, love and affection. This is why very few people will have the self insight, the ideological and moral confidence and strength to act selflessly on behalf of their own countrymen on their own initiative without a solid hierarchical organisation or country supporting and encouraging them. We have taken these thankless tasks upon ourselves because we possess these traits; the self insight, the ideological and moral confidence and strenght and we are willing to sacrifice our lives for our brothers and sisters, even though they will openly detest us. It can be illustrated like a parent spanking their ignorant child. The child will hate their parents there and then but in time they will understand that their only intention is to protect them. In phase 2 and 3, many of these brothers and sisters will hold our banner and chant our hymns because they finally understand.

and this qoute-

''First coming costume party this autumn, dress up as a police officer. Arrive with insignias Will be awesome as people will be very astonished Side note; imagine if law enforcement would visit me the next days. They would probably get the wrong idea and think I was a terrorist, lol : o) Conquer your fear like your brothers and sisters have done in the past and we will re-conquer Europe from the grasp of our disloyal, corrupt and suicidal cultural Marxist/multiculturalist elites.”''

On Friday he wrote his last words in the manifesto.

"I believe this will be my last entry. It is now Fri July 22nd, 12.51. Sincere regards, Andrew Berwick / Knights Templar Norway"


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Another creepy thing that i found out is that he is constantly reffering to a group called PCCT, the site links you to something called ''USA_Plan_Chaos'', when you go the site you get to a map of U.S if you click on each state a popup appears, showing some weird text like for example when i clicked on Illionois, a pop-up showed up saying:

Illinois attack zone 2, Nuclair WAR ZONE(2nd phase N.A of plan 49 OPLAN 5027) .


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Another interesting thing that i noticed is that he did not write his manifesto alone, look at this list - (page 827)

Founding (re-founding) members:

Anonymous 1 - Nationality: English Protestant (Host)
Anonymous 2 - Nationality: English Christian atheist
Anonymous 3 - Nationality: French Catholic
Anonymous 4 - Nationality: German Christian atheist
Anonymous 5 - Nationality: Dutch Christian agnostic
Anonymous 6 - Nationality: Greek Orthodox
Anonymous 7 - Nationality: Russian Christian atheist
Anonymous 8 - Nationality: Norwegian Protestant (member and proxy for 9)
Anonymous 9 - Nationality: Serbian Orthodox (by proxy, location: Monrovia, Liberia)


Unable to attend:

Anonymous 10 - Nationality: Swedish
Anonymous 11 - Nationality: Belgian
Anonymous 12 - Nationality: European-American

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Another note that i made is that i found it strange that there was a second shooter while in his manifesto he keeps saying that you can't share any information with anyone as it would blow his cover up. So since he claims to be part of a group, it could be that only the highest ranks of his group were aware of the attacks.

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Can i put the download link for the manifesto in this thread?

 

[Niall]

Re: Oslo Bombing

Can i put the download link for the manifesto in this thread?

I've got it here:

_http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD/2083-AEuropeanDeclarationofInd.html

Seeing as he has dedicated 9 years and 300,000 Euros to writing this document, supposedly about the 'truth' which the masses aren't allowed to know, I skimmed it for references to Zionism. I came across this:

Were the majority of the German and European Jews disloyal? Yes, at least the so called liberal Jews, similar to the liberal Jews today that opposes nationalism/Zionism and supports multiculturalism. Jews that support multiculturalism today are as much of a threat to Israel and Zionism (Israeli nationalism) as they are to us. So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists. Conservative Jews were loyal to Europe and should have been rewarded. Instead, he just targeted them all… So, are the current Jews in Europe and US disloyal? The multiculturalist (nation-wrecking) Jews ARE while the conservative Jews ARE NOT. Aprox. 75% of European/US Jews support multiculturalism while aprox. 50% of Israeli Jews does the same. This shows very clearly that we must embrace the remaining loyal Jews as brothers rather than repeating the mistake of the NSDAP. Whenever I discuss the Middle East issue with a national socialist he presents the anti-Israeli and pro-Palestine argument. He always seem unaware of the fact that his propaganda is hurting Israeli nationalists (who want to deport the Muslims from Israel) and that he is in fact helping the Israeli cultural Marxists/multiculturalists with his argumentation. In all five discussions they have moderated or fully changed their views after the discussion as they realize what they have done. But I was unable to discuss this issue further after I was banned and kicked out by Stormfront and another national socialist forum.

In any case; educate yourself and learn the difference. Today’s conservatives and want-to-be Nazis are ignorant when they obsess so much over the Jews. There is no Jewish problem in Western Europe (with the exception of the UK and France) as we only have 1 million in Western Europe, whereas 800 000 out of these 1 million live in France and the UK. The US on the other hand, with more than 6 million Jews (600% more than Europe) actually has a considerable Jewish problem. But please learn the difference between a nation-wrecking multiculturalist Jew and a conservative Jew. Don’t make the same mistake that NSDAP did. Never target a Jew because he is a Jew, but rather because he is a category A or B traitor. And don’t forget that the bulk of the category A and B traitors are Christian Europeans. 90% of the category A and B traitors in my own country, Norway, are Nordic, Christian category A and B traitors.

Right, so his views were considered too extreme for the right-wing anti-Semites. Looks like a class A lunatic network has come to the fore. And that's saying something in a world dominated by class A lunatics!

 

[Gawan]

Re: Oslo Bombing

According to that article: Euro-Christian Fundamentalist Breivik confesses to Mass Murder the police took it 1.5 hrs before they arrested him. And to other information, the police arrived half an hour later, after the shooting began. The island is according to wikipedia: 530m times 330m, so it is not too huge as I expected in the beginning and maybe about 40kms from Oslo away, where actually enough special forces should be stationed, but that they waited until he freely gave up, sounds off to me.

 

[dant]

Re: Oslo Bombing

A question is, where was the police/intel/... when
the terror was set loose? It was said it took police
1-1/2 hours to get onto the island... seems very odd
to me... that the police were "out to lunch"?

 

[know_yourself_1234]

Re: Oslo Bombing

I cannot believe that a man alone killed 80 people, whatever weapon he could have :(

 

[Mr. Premise]

Re: Oslo Bombing

I cannot believe that a man alone killed 80 people, whatever weapon he could have :(

He could in the time he had to do it. That's what infuriates me about this incident and also the Columbine Massacre. In Columbine, the shooters were walking around the school shooting for an hour an a half (if I remember right). All the time there was a SWAT team outside waiting until it was "safe" to go in!!! This was a suburban town in the U.S. and like lots of them, they spent a lot of money equipping a super-cool SWAT militarized police unit for JUST THESE KINDS OF INCIDENTS, but when lives of children were on the line, they waited until the shooters were done and killed themselves. Unbelievable.

 

[Joe]

Re: Oslo Bombing

I cannot believe that a man alone killed 80 people, whatever weapon he could have :(

That's an aspect that is common to many such shootings - the uncanny accuracy of the lone shooter. The suggestion most often put forward is that the shooter had to be mind-programed in some way to be able to achieve such consistent and deadly accuracy.

 

[Guardian]

Re: Oslo Bombing


http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/07/24
Published on Sunday, July 24, 2011 by The Sunday Mirror/UK
Norway PM: 'We Must – and Will – Meet Terror with More Democracy, Not Less'
Resilient and peaceful Norwegians won't allow attack to change their way of life
by y Adam Lee-Potter

Norway is in shock, but its 4.9 million people are a rugged, ­resilient race who will recover from this terrible attack on their shores, its leaders have vowed.

Norway's Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, center, pays tribute to victims of the twin attacks before a memorial service at Oslo Cathedral, Sunday, July 24, 2011. Stoltenberg said, "We must – and will – meet terror with more democracy, not less. We must not lock up Norwegian society." (AP Photo/Emilio Morenatti) Crime rates – especially murder rates – are incredibly low by UK standards, and with few safety concerns even key members of state such as Prime ­Minister Jens Stoltenberg walk the streets without security.

Norwegian social commentator Tobjorn Holt said last night: “The nation is in shock. We are quiet, low-key people who don’t like fuss. That way of life’s been rocked to its core but I hope it will ­survive. We are resilient.

“We will endure and emerge stronger. The worst of it is that this attack struck at our best and brightest. The teenagers killed symbolised our future. But we will pull together.”

Tobjorn, 47, head of London’s Norwegian Church and Seamen’s Mission, added: “This is the worst deliberate ­atrocity we have seen since World War Two. There is some small comfort this looks to be the act of a sole agent.

“That the man responsible is ­Norwegian – to be attacked from within – is hard to absorb and cope with. But the Prime Minister and youth group leader have both echoed the sentiments of most Norwegians. We must – and will – meet terror with more democracy, not less. We must not lock up Norwegian society. That would be piling tragedy upon tragedy.”

Norway’s oil makes it one of the world’s wealthiest countries, with unemployment at just 3.6 per cent, half that of Britain. In 2007 the ­country was voted the best place to live in the world. The UK was 17th.

 

[Hildegarda]

Re: Oslo Bombing

I cannot believe that a man alone killed 80 people, whatever weapon he could have

He could in the time he had to do it. That's what infuriates me about this incident and also the Columbine Massacre. In Columbine, the shooters were walking around the school shooting for an hour an a half (if I remember right). All the time there was a SWAT team outside waiting until it was "safe" to go in!!!

What has been exercising my mind very much since Virginia Tech shooting is, why in such cases the shooter goes on shooting and killing so many people, and nobody fights back.

Even untrained people, when acting in an organized fashion in a group of 5 or 10, could have ran him over and taken him down. Somebody of the group may have been hurt, but so many lives would have been spared.

I think after 911 people in airplanes have become much more decisive in taking down the hijackers. Before that, airplanes were hijacked for hostages and transportation to wherever. So, people thought, stay put and be quiet and you'll get out of it. Now, whether we are to believe the official story or not, the hijacking situation in the airplane is associated with certain and senseless death. Therefore, people unite more readily and are willing to take on more immediate risk on themselves in a slim hope of preventing the catastrophe.

Workplace, buildings or open areas are trickier, because it is harder to understand what is going on, how many shooters there are, etc. But I do wonder, may be people may benefit from being specifically encouraged in some organized active self-preservation, instead of being told that the best way to survive a gunman attack is to run away or play dead. Police and other authorities have positioned themselves as the only forces capable of, and allowed by law, to resist attacks and protect the people. But they aren't doing a good job.

fwiw ... :(

 

[Joe]

Seems like there was something "in the air" these past few days....

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/232406-29-Shot-In-Three-US-Shootings

KOMO news reports "At least 11 injured in mass shooting at Kent car show... One witness told KOMO News... 'I saw a lot of people running everywhere, running across the street, then the cops showed up.' ...She said the shootings shattered what had been a 'very peaceful celebration' at a La Raza low-rider car show and concert. Another witness, who was inside a nearby Subway restaurant, said about 200 to 300 people were at the car show when the shooting started. He said he saw people running and heard 10 to 12 gunshots. He hustled people inside the restaurant and locked the doors as shots echoed through the parking lot."

An article from CBS Fort Worth reports "A shooter opened fire at a skating rink during a private family event Saturday night, killing five and wounding four before turning the gun on himself, Grand Prairie Police spokesman John Brimmer said. Brimmer said a family member attending the private event at the Forum Roller World at 1900 S. Great Southwest Parkway pulled a pistol and started shooting after getting into an argument with his wife. The first emergency call came at 7:15 p.m., Brimmer said. The suspect shot himself in the head and was taken to Parkland Memorial Hospital where he was pronounced dead, said Grand Prairie Police Chief Steve Dye. Including the gunman, six people were killed..."

An Orlando Sentinel article reports "Nine people were wounded in a shooting late Saturday at a house party near Apopka, authorities said, after an altercation between partygoers escalated to violence. The shooting took place at a home on the 800 block of Piedmont Wekiwa Road. Orange County deputies were called to the scene about 10:50 p.m. Saturday. One drew a handgun, deputies said, and opened fire inside the home. Rescuers hospitalized six partygoers, and three more later checked themselves in for treatment.... Six witnesses later identified one of the teens inside the SUV as the shooter, investigators said. Sheriff's officials said early Sunday they had recovered the handgun used. The names and conditions of those involved were not available. Sheriff's Capt. Denise Demps-Rollins said that of the nine injured, two were in surgery early Sunday. One of those in surgery suffered possible life-threatening injuries..."

 

[RedFox]

Even untrained people, when acting in an organized fashion in a group of 5 or 10, could have ran him over and taken him down. Somebody of the group may have been hurt, but so many lives would have been spared.

Agreed, but its one of those situations where the group of people would have to be of the same mindset/awareness I think. You'd also have to not be paralysed by fear or taken over by a flight response/terror. Which by all accounts he was Very good at extorting out of the victims - interestingly he appeared to spare someone who had lost his terror (knew he was going to die, reminds me of rape victims actually).
Automatic weapons (or even a well aimed hand gun) can take down twenty people in a matter of seconds. In most cases bullets tends to pass through people, so the number of dead could be double/triple that if its a densely packed crowd.
All before he has to reload.
As he had an automatic weapon and a handgun, no reload time needed.

Unless several people could get the drop on him and only have a very short distance to cover, being out in the open (or even a corridor) I doubt you'd stand much chance of rushing someone who is calmly taking very accurate aim - even as a large group. But perhaps I'm mistaken?

Having pondered these situations more than once I tend to think I'd be looking for an opportunity to fight back (my main aim being keeping others safe). Not sure I'd find one without getting killed though.

My heart goes out for all those who suffer through such things (daily in some cases, such as the case of child soldiers).

 

[Giray Khan the Brave]

Something about this whole thing doesn't make sense.

Let me put it like this: you are a citizen of country A and you deeply hate and resent the citizens of countries B, C and D for 'destroying' your country. Your whole political discourse is based around defending Country A from B, C and D so you 'lose it' and go around shooting the citizens of country A???

This is like a white supremacist going off his rocker and then shooting white people. Or a Jew who hates Palestinians going postal in a Jewish only area...

You may say 'the guy was mad, he didn't know what he was doing, don't look for sense in this' but such politically motivated fanatical madmen have at least one basic and obvious method to their madness, which is to attack the object of their hate and not everything else apart from the object of hate...

It sounds to me like Breivik was most probably a 'patient' of Dr. Greenbaum but one that 'went off' at the wrong time or in the wrong way to such an extent that the 'excuses' the PTB are coming up with don't even make basic sense... Or maybe now that we are all getting closer to the end they are no longer bothering to come up with more plausible cover stories?