Paris shootout, explosions, casualties

[Corvus]

Again, just like with the Toulouse "terror" attack a couple of years ago, why don't they use a grenade that puts them to sleep. If they know which flat, no shots are needed, just putting gas into the flat to subdue them/put them to sleep and the police would have been able to go in without risking any lives or injury. Why 5000 shots? Only to create fear and angst, I think

What if they have gas masks? And if under constant fire not so easy to do. These were trained men showing resistance.

 

[Laura]

Again, just like with the Toulouse "terror" attack a couple of years ago, why don't they use a grenade that puts them to sleep. If they know which flat, no shots are needed, just putting gas into the flat to subdue them/put them to sleep and the police would have been able to go in without risking any lives or injury. Why 5000 shots? Only to create fear and angst, I think

What if they have gas masks? And if under constant fire not so easy to do. These were trained men showing resistance.

Still, the first thing to do would be to lob a few tear gas grenades in there.

 

[Chad]

Continuing with the scares and actual incidents - i missed this yesterday:

Bomb explodes in bathroom at controversial Tokyo war shrine

A small device damaged the public toilet at the war memorial as thousands prepared to visit on a public holiday but there were no causalties, police said
A bomb squad officer wearing heavy equipment leaves the explosion site at the Yasukuni shrine in Tokyo on Monday.
Photograph: Franck Robichon/EPA

Agence France-Presse

Monday 23 November 2015 06.53 GMT
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A suspected explosive device has damaged a bathroom at Tokyo’s Yasukuni shrine but no one at the controversial war memorial was hurt, officials and news reports said.

Police received reports of a loud bang and smoke rising near the public bathroom inside the shrine on Monday morning, a spokesman said.

Public broadcaster NHK said the small blast occurred as a larger-than-usual number of people were visiting the shrine for an annual harvest festival.

Police found the ceiling and wall of the bathroom damaged and burned, NHK said, adding that they also found a battery and wire there.

A bomb unit attended the scene and police have now launched an investigation into whether the incident was a targeted attack.

“Fortunately, no one was injured,” a shrine official said, adding that it had not received any threat in connection with the explosion.

The shrine honours millions of Japan’s war dead, but also controversially includes several senior military and political figures convicted of war crimes.

Visits to the shrine by senior Japanese politicians routinely draw an angry reaction from Beijing and Seoul, which see it as a symbol of Tokyo’s military past.

 

[Gaby]

This is getting hard to keep up.

Hostages Taken, Shots Fired in Northern France
_http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151124/1030691963/roubaix-hostage-situation.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FTF0yHXXdw9&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=agT8&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

A hostage situation has reportedly erupted in the northern French town of Roubaix, close to the Belgian border, with medical services reporting several gunshot wounds.

RTL reports that the situation began after the suspects were stopped at a security checkpoint.

According to Reuters, children are among the hostages.

The town is located approximately one hour west of Brussels.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151124/1030691963/roubaix-hostage-situation.html#ixzz3sRGpVG66

 

[sToRmR1dR]

A woman "suicide bomber" in Paris, is alive and lives in Morocco?

_http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hasna-ait-boulahcen-nabila-bakkatha-france-suicide-bomber-misidentified_5653644be4b0d4093a58a0e9

In the days after the deadly attacks in Paris, a photo of Nabila Bakkatha spread online misidentifying her as Hasna Ait Boulahcen, a woman who died in an explosion last Wednesday when French police stormed her house in a counterterrorism raid.

Bakkatha wasn't even anywhere near France when that raid happened. Media outlet AJ+ tracked her down in Morocco, and she wants to rid her reputation of any connection to terrorism.

_http://mashable.com/2015/11/23/woman-bath-photo-not-a-terrorist/#LVThv6W5bZqF

My family was shocked, and some of my relatives are not talking to me anymore," she said. She added that she's currently suing the former friend as well as the journalist who purchased and published the photos. "My life changed drastically, I stopped going to work, and I cannot go out anymore as I live in continuous fear," she said. "I am sure I will face a lot of problems if I travel to France.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

A woman "suicide bomber" in Paris, is alive and lives in Morocco?

_http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hasna-ait-boulahcen-nabila-bakkatha-france-suicide-bomber-misidentified_5653644be4b0d4093a58a0e9

In the days after the deadly attacks in Paris, a photo of Nabila Bakkatha spread online misidentifying her as Hasna Ait Boulahcen, a woman who died in an explosion last Wednesday when French police stormed her house in a counterterrorism raid.

Bakkatha wasn't even anywhere near France when that raid happened. Media outlet AJ+ tracked her down in Morocco, and she wants to rid her reputation of any connection to terrorism.

_http://mashable.com/2015/11/23/woman-bath-photo-not-a-terrorist/#LVThv6W5bZqF

My family was shocked, and some of my relatives are not talking to me anymore," she said. She added that she's currently suing the former friend as well as the journalist who purchased and published the photos. "My life changed drastically, I stopped going to work, and I cannot go out anymore as I live in continuous fear," she said. "I am sure I will face a lot of problems if I travel to France.

Not quite. They just used this woman's photograph and said it was Ait Boulahcen, who wasn't even a suicide bomber, and who I'm guessing was actually killed in the St-Denis raid.

 

[Ellipse]

There's this theory on the web that the same crying woman appear in several terrorist attacks:
[list type=decimal]
[*]Paris, November 2015 (top)
[*]Aurora, Jully 2012
[*]Sandy Hook at Newton in December 2012
[*]Boston, April 2013
[/list]
This seem to be the same face but I'm not an expert. The woman in pic 1 & 3 seems to have the same bracelet but it's not a proof.
A Canadian guy, speaking French did a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EquGk79M9-k

The debug seem all-right: http://wafflesatnoon.com/same-woman-at-aurora-sandy-hook-and-boston/ but, even if it's the truth, which it seem to be, the resemblance is a bit disturbing, like a message of the universe.

Any thought?

 

[mkrnhr]

They don't look the same to me, and I'm very bad at distinguishing the faces of strangers (I knew once two brothers for weeks thinking they were the same person). When people cry, they often have the same face expression. Maybe the confusion comes from there.

 

[Ca.]

Eagles of Death Metal - Don't speak (Barby, Tel Aviv) 12.07.15
Published on Jul 12, 2015
_https://youtu.be/rLneQP-SWSg
Eagles of Death Metal show in Barby Club, Tel Aviv, Israel
If interested in photos of the concert you can see them right here on my photography page:
_http://on.fb.me/1LaTYGm

Eagles Of Death Metal at Tel Aviv - Speaking in Tongues
Published on Jul 13, 2015
איגלס אוב דת' מטאל במועדון בארבי, תל אביב. ראשון, 12.07.2015. צילום וידאו - יובל אראל. _http://yuvalerel.wordpress.com/ | _http://insatgram.com/yuvalerel
_https://youtu.be/EoFSy2mBF_E


Wikipedia CAUGHT taking down ISRAELI INFO on Eagles of Death Metal Band
Published on Nov 16, 2015
Sometime i get lucky at seeing these things.. Wikipedia took down info about the Eagles of Death Metal band.. Their Pro Israel stance and anti BDS statements to Roger Waters... They dont want you seeing the proof of the Synagogue of Satan
_https://youtu.be/6BmIknVQ8MA

From the City Of Angels (The Fallen Ones) Covering the narrative

http://laist.com/
Video: Eagles Of Death Metal Describe Escaping The Terrorist Attack In Paris
by Juliet Bennett Rylah in Arts & Entertainmenton Nov 25, 2015 2:05 pm
http://laist.com/2015/11/25/eodm_interview.php

From Vice (of course) video with the related article

Vice
Eagles of Death Metal Discuss Paris Terror Attacks
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n74HBrrFnIc
Published on Nov 25, 2015
During Eagles of Death Metal's November 13 show at the Bataclan concert hall in Paris, gunmen entered the venue and opened fire on the crowd, leaving at least 90 dead. The band spoke to VICE about the tragic events that took place that night.

Related

Die Welt
Israelis wollen nicht mehr istrumnetalisiert werden
11-15-15
http://www.welt.de/kultur/article148877622/Israelis-wollen-nicht-mehr-instrumentalisiert-werden.html

להקת "Eagles of Death Metal" הופיעה בישראל בקיץ - למרות הלחצים
_http://www.mako.co.il/news-israel/entertainment-q4_2015/Article-aef4eacd3ca0151004.htm
להקת המטאל האמריקנית שלאחר הופעתה אירע אחד הפיגועים האכזריים בפריז בו נרצח גם אחד מאנשי הצוות שלה ונפצע אחר, "Eagles of Death Metal", הופיעה בישראל ביולי האחרון למרות מסכת לחצים לבטל את ההופעה. "פאק יו רוג'ר ווטרס", הצהיר אז על הבמה סולן הלהקה ג'סי יוז. צפו
חדש | פורסם 11-15/

 

[RedFox]

They don't look the same to me, and I'm very bad at distinguishing the faces of strangers (I knew once two brothers for weeks thinking they were the same person). When people cry, they often have the same face expression. Maybe the confusion comes from there.

I don't usually reference snopes (because of it's massive bias) but they do a good job of pointing out who these women are in the photos.
_http://www.snopes.com/same-girl-crying-now-oregon/

More so, they point out what I think is behind this meme:

While all four young women seen in the photographs had long, brown hair, that factor alone didn't make a strong case for a massive government conspiracy encompassing law enforcement agencies at several levels in multiple states. Moreover, the similarities ended with hairstyles and grief-stricken expressions. All four women depicted were identified by name at the time they were photographed, none was transient to the tragedies with which they were associated or disappeared afterwards, and Medek and Soto (relatives of victims in tragedies that were not exceptionally recent) went on to appear in multiple photographs and interviews about the respective incidents. Shortly after the tragedy, Soto remarked that the continued use of the photograph seen above in the media exacerbated her pain tremendously, and all four of the women depicted were likely deeply distressed by the appropriation of their personal mourning for the purposes of advancing a ridiculous conspiracy narrative.

The whole thing is a double edged sword:

1) It creates outrage, disgust and rejection (strong emotional responces) in anyone who can see the distress in the woman's faces, and hears 'they must be actors/the same person'. This gets associated with 'conspiracy'. An effective tool for (emotionally) discrediting Any conspiracy.
This is tapping into human empathy.
It's an automatic subconscious gut reaction, and as such all association of 'conspiracy' then triggers the same gut reaction. To dismiss all 'conspiracy' in this subconscious way will damage critical thinking.

2) Anyone who buys it has shut down critical thinking and empathy! To call these women actors is to dehumanize them. It then by extension dehumanizes all victims - shutting down empathy more. The kids at Sandy Hook - actors. The French shooting - actors. You can logically take this further - could people shot by cops be actors? Could all Palestinian victims be actors?
This is the spread of pathological thinking.
In some cases probably based on fear - "They Have to be actors, that level of evil cannot exist!". More programming based on a gut reaction to the terror of facing such monsters (that psychopaths have no trouble killing people).

Both gut reactions (rejection of 'conspiracy' or proof of 'conspiracy') then runs confirmation bias. This programming will make people 'see nothing' or see everything as a 'conspiracy', based on purely emotional 'thinking'.

 

[Mal7]

Wikipedia CAUGHT taking down ISRAELI INFO on Eagles of Death Metal Band
Published on Nov 16, 2015
Sometime i get lucky at seeing these things.. Wikipedia took down info about the Eagles of Death Metal band.. Their Pro Israel stance and anti BDS statements to Roger Waters... They dont want you seeing the proof of the Synagogue of Satan
_https://youtu.be/6BmIknVQ8MA

This info related to "Eagles of Death Metal" refusing to heed calls to boycott performing in Israel. As Wikipedia is a user-edited page, I think saying that Wikipedia took the info down is misleading. A user (editor) named Moxy made the change on 16 November, with the comment as explanation that the information was "WAY OUT TO LEFT FIELD". The removed content, which I don't think is particularly sensational, can still be seen in the revision history here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eagles_of_Death_Metal&diff=690930022&oldid=690909317

There is also a Wikipedia "Talk" page where editors are discussing differences of opinion about what should appear on the page.This shows a civil discussion between the editors about whether the band's position on the BDS should be included in the article. BDS is the Boycott Divest Sanction organization, which calls for boycotting Israeli products such as Sodastream.

It would appear that there are three editors (Poliocretes, Tigercompanion25, & me) who have voiced support for including the Content on the conflict with band's anti-BDS statements & stance (although we're in agreement that there's no mandate to mention the Balaclan in this context, even though reliable sources have been published which *do* make this link) and two editors (Moxy and DD2K, aka David Dean) who are opposed. Do we all agree the the current vote on this is 3 in favor and 2 opposed? It would be good if the editors could confirm or amplify their positions, and (of course) other editors are invited to voice their opinions so that we may establish broader consensus. Ronreisman (talk) 18:27, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps best you do a Wikipedia:Requests for comment so things are more clear (as in more editors explain the problems or merits). Should post the text that we are talking about. As of now there is no consensus -- Moxy (talk) 18:46, 19 November 2015 (UTC) Good idea. I've never done this before, and am at work right now, so if you're familiar with the process and inclined to post this, it would be great. If not, no worries. Thanks for the suggestion. All the best. Ronreisman (talk) 19:23, 19 November 2015 (UTC) Yes I can do this....but what content do you believe should be added (with sources)....so i can show this in the RfC.. -- Moxy (talk) 23:27, 19 November 2015 (UTC) I just made my first RfC to the Dispute Resolution Board! I'm in notifying the other editors now. Thanks again for the helpful suggestions. All the best. Ronreisman (talk) 18:39, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eagles_of_Death_Metal&oldid=691580988

After the Paris attacks, the Wikipedia page for "Eagles of Death Metal" was the 7th most viewed Wikipedia article.

This article was the 7th most popular on Wikipedia according to the Top 25 Report with 887,314 views for the week November 8 to 14, 2015.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eagles_of_Death_Metal&oldid=691580988

Rolling Stone published an interview with the band on 17 September 2015:

They sound nothing like the Eagles or death metal, as you can hear for yourself on new EODM single "Silverlake," which we're premiering here. Considering the persistent flippancy of their art, it comes as no surprise that their conversation with Rolling Stone immediately digressed into silly repartee [. . .]

- http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/eagles-of-death-metal-on-their-potluck-of-awesome-20150917#ixzz3sb3TPIWT

 

[Kisito]

There's this theory on the web that the same crying woman appear in several terrorist attacks:
[list type=decimal]
[*]Paris, November 2015 (top)
[*]Aurora, Jully 2012
[*]Sandy Hook at Newton in December 2012
[*]Boston, April 2013
[/list]
This seem to be the same face but I'm not an expert. The woman in pic 1 & 3 seems to have the same bracelet but it's not a proof.
A Canadian guy, speaking French did a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EquGk79M9-k

The debug seem all-right: http://wafflesatnoon.com/same-woman-at-aurora-sandy-hook-and-boston/ but, even if it's the truth, which it seem to be, the resemblance is a bit disturbing, like a message of the universe.

Any thought?

This video is for some months on social networks. Coincidentally today I watch on French TV "France 24", a journalist made a documentary on false conspiracy theories, but we do not learn much, except that it must be wary of conspiracy theories.
http://observers.france24.com/fr/20151123-video-theories-complot-attentats-paris-fake

 

[loreta]

I imagine you are aware of the "antrax" story found in a Mosquee. Same scenario, you remember? they say it was flour, not antrax.

_http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/26/brussels-mosque-evacuated-after-envelopes-of-suspicious-white-powder-found-in-building-spark-anthrax-fear-5527684/

Also, there is something very peculiar happening in Spain. It is like we are travelling in time, returning to the past. We have elections very soon, next month. Is Spain will participate in the coalition to fight in Syria? Same as in the time where Spain wanted to participated with the coalition, with Aznar and then boum, we had a "terrorist" attack just few days before the elections. And Aznar loosed the elections, same party as Rajoy. And Rajoy does not know what to do, in fact he is afraid to loose the elections if he say now yes to participate to the coalition. There was a meeting today for fight against the jihadists, with all the parties but not the PP and I think the Socialist party. They were absent at the meeting. So I am afraid of one thing: maybe we will live again like in the past the same scenario. A boum. It is like a Deja vu, with also these people that are against the war, a sort of movement, same situation, NO A La GUERRA. Same message. Same country. Same on everything!

Sorry for my English.

Also I was so mad, but so mad today listening how Hollande will have a meeting with Putin to ask him to participated in the coalition but this coalition is not against ISIS! but to put out Assad and also to destroy completely Syria. How sick is Hollande, my god, that he accepted to sacrifice French people for the coalition, I mean to start the war again, same when Aznar accepted the same sacrifice when the bomb in the train. How sick and devilish they are! To understand their mind is a light in my brain that hurts so much.

 

[Windmill knight]

They don't look the same to me, and I'm very bad at distinguishing the faces of strangers (I knew once two brothers for weeks thinking they were the same person). When people cry, they often have the same face expression. Maybe the confusion comes from there.

I agree. The four girls look like totally different people to me.

 

[loreta]

They don't look the same to me, and I'm very bad at distinguishing the faces of strangers (I knew once two brothers for weeks thinking they were the same person). When people cry, they often have the same face expression. Maybe the confusion comes from there.

I agree. The four girls look like totally different people to me.

Me too I think they are not the same person. The problem with this is that people don't pay "attention". They don't pay attention looking at these pictures, nor listening nor reading not looking around them what is happening. They are not attentive to the detail. When you look with discernment you can see that these women are totally different one from the other. When you don't pay attention you are easily manipulable. Hopefully here in this forum we are learning to pay attention to everything. We are very lucky to learn this because it is the base of freedom.