Paris shootout, explosions, casualties

Perceval said:
Kisito said:
Perceval said:
One more detail of the official story that doesn't make sense:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34818994

At about 21:40, on the boulevard Voltaire in the 11th arrondissement, near place de la Nation, a man sat down in the Comptoir Voltaire café and placed an order before detonating his suicide vest, killing himself and injuring fifteen people, one of them seriously

Yet this is one of the images that are being presented as part of that story. For the record, based on other images of the facade, this does seem to be an image of windows of the Comptoir Voltaire cafe.
Today I went to the place of "comptoire coffee." Impacted are on the left side of the terrace (the smaller side). The people who are there to collect, are all amazed that a bomb could make bullets impacted, but did not break windows. A man who seemed to work with the weapons, said it is not armored glass, he was surprised that the explosion had not broken the glass. But he also said that a Kalashnikov made bigger impacted. This is the reason that some supputent these are bolts or parts of the explosion that made those impacted. I asked the cameraman who was there, sitting where the kamikaze, he said, I know nothing.

Thanks for the first hand report. I'd still bet my bottom dollar that those are bullet holes.
Good to have a first hand report and yes, I am totally with Joe that these are bullet marks. They are uniformly of the same size, not something you would expect to see if they were bits and pieces from a homemade bomb. At least not to my knowledge and I don't think we need an explosive expert to confirm it either. Here is the photo again, which is no longer in the BBC narrative at the original link:
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I just looked up France's annual toll of deaths from motor vehicles accident, and it is has been over 3,000 per year in 2013 and 2014.

So in terms of the fear-mongering found in the media about Islamophobia, the free world will never be the same etc., it would be more rational for them to promote a fear of motor vehicles. . . tax dollars would be better spent on employing 5,000 extra staff in the area of road safety than combating domestic terrorism.
 
Mal7 said:
I just looked up France's annual toll of deaths from motor vehicles accident, and it is has been over 3,000 per year in 2013 and 2014.

So in terms of the fear-mongering found in the media about Islamophobia, the free world will never be the same etc., it would be more rational for them to promote a fear of motor vehicles. . . tax dollars would be better spent on employing 5,000 extra staff in the area of road safety than combating domestic terrorism.

Yes. But with more road safety they cannot launch more brand new laws and regulations "for even more safety" (our safety or safety for the PTB's to continue their power games?) or for more police state (see Nazi-Germany). In the end we will have much less freedoms (power for the Elites and slavery for the rest of us = freedom in the eyes of PTB's?). It is up to us if we choose to follow this way or decide for a change IMO.
 
Aeneas said:
Good to have a first hand report and yes, I am totally with Joe that these are bullet marks. They are uniformly of the same size, not something you would expect to see if they were bits and pieces from a homemade bomb. At least not to my knowledge and I don't think we need an explosive expert to confirm it either. Here is the photo again, which is no longer in the BBC narrative at the original link:
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Whatever caused them, it looks like the projectiles came from within the building. The holes look bigger on the outside of the glass, suggesting we're looking at the exit hole: http://www.slideshare.net/prashantmehta371/glass-analysis-in-forensic-science
 
Approaching Infinity said:
Whatever caused them, it looks like the projectiles came from within the building. The holes look bigger on the outside of the glass, suggesting we're looking at the exit hole:
Perhaps nails hitting the glass end on (with the point of the nail hitting the glass first) could make holes like that. There is a video here that apparently shows someone throwing a needle through glass, and the hole it makes is quite a bit larger than the diameter of the needle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7JByZs2Kys

Mythbusters tried to replicate this. A fast baseball pitcher tried unsuccessfully to throw a needle through the glass, but in his throws the needle was hitting the glass sideways, not point first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LjhrqiNArg

The team declared the myth busted for human throwers at this point, but Tory modified an air rifle to fire the needles at high speed. Using 0.125 in (3.2 mm) glass, they got no result at 140 mph (225 km/h), chipped the glass at 160 mph (257 km/h), and finally punched a clean hole at 180 mph (290 km/h).
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(2012_season)#Episode_194_.E2.80.93_.22Mini_Myth_Medley.22
 
Approaching Infinity said:
Aeneas said:
Good to have a first hand report and yes, I am totally with Joe that these are bullet marks. They are uniformly of the same size, not something you would expect to see if they were bits and pieces from a homemade bomb. At least not to my knowledge and I don't think we need an explosive expert to confirm it either. Here is the photo again, which is no longer in the BBC narrative at the original link:
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Whatever caused them, it looks like the projectiles came from within the building. The holes look bigger on the outside of the glass, suggesting we're looking at the exit hole: http://www.slideshare.net/prashantmehta371/glass-analysis-in-forensic-science
Thanks AI for the link from where this picture comes about the projectile going through glass and causing a bigger exit hole:
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So something was likely shot from the inside, which does not fit with an explosion happening outside, or am I missing something?
 
More images and explanations that are relevant, also from the above link from AI:
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Of course if the conclusion already has been made that it was an explosion, then the forensic specialists will not make the relevant analysis and the glass will just quickly be taken away and replaced, thus eliminating an important piece of evidence.
Here is another photo:
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and
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Approaching Infinity said:
Aeneas said:
Good to have a first hand report and yes, I am totally with Joe that these are bullet marks. They are uniformly of the same size, not something you would expect to see if they were bits and pieces from a homemade bomb. At least not to my knowledge and I don't think we need an explosive expert to confirm it either. Here is the photo again, which is no longer in the BBC narrative at the original link:
index.php

Whatever caused them, it looks like the projectiles came from within the building. The holes look bigger on the outside of the glass, suggesting we're looking at the exit hole: http://www.slideshare.net/prashantmehta371/glass-analysis-in-forensic-science
I think it's not the same "coffee bar". I looked at my photos, there is also the bullets impacted, but the windows and affected appear inconsistent. I have problems sent my photos, I tried again.
 

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RT
Explosive belt without detonator found outside Paris – reports
Published time: 23 Nov, 2015 18:38

https://www.rt.com/news/323146-paris-suicide-belt-detonator/
France Info
Une ceinture d'explosifs retrouvée dans une poubelle à Montrouge
http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/faits-divers/article/une-ceinture-d-explosifs-retrouvee-dans-une-poubelle-montrouge-pres-de-paris-747209

A suspicious object resembling a suicide belt has been found in Montrouge, a commune in the southern Parisian suburbs. Police sources have confirmed to AP that the device is missing its detonator.

The belt, similar to those used in the terrorist attacks in Paris, was found in the rubbish in Hauts-de-Seine, Montrouge, according to local police forces as cited by radio channel France Info.

"It looks like a belt of explosives," a source close to the investigation told Reuters, adding that checks are underway
The suspicious object was spotted by a street cleaner. The area was immediately cordoned off by police..

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Approaching Infinity said:
Aeneas said:
Good to have a first hand report and yes, I am totally with Joe that these are bullet marks. They are uniformly of the same size, not something you would expect to see if they were bits and pieces from a homemade bomb. At least not to my knowledge and I don't think we need an explosive expert to confirm it either. Here is the photo again, which is no longer in the BBC narrative at the original link:
index.php

Whatever caused them, it looks like the projectiles came from within the building. The holes look bigger on the outside of the glass, suggesting we're looking at the exit hole: http://www.slideshare.net/prashantmehta371/glass-analysis-in-forensic-science

Even though this example is with bullet prof glass, it is an example to show the direction and the point of origin, with the spiderweb effect. These are with rifles, and hand guns.

One can see the effects in slow motion.
FWIW

50, 308, and 30 ought 6 Cal vs Bullet Proof Glass
_https://youtu.be/1fCZvOHd5dg

This is what it's like to be shot at with an AK-47
_https://youtu.be/3ZzoB6xBWOI

Bulletproof Glass Testing - Total Security Solutions
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFu1Fs4djuA
 
More evidence of the narrative falling apart, leaving even police officers with no other option than to scratch their heads. This latest seems to me to be clear evidence of a fifth column with the security forces at the St. Denis siege being part of the "terrorists".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-no-assault-weapons-found-in-saint-denis-raid-after-police-report-heavy-fire-a6745686.html

No traces of Kalashnikov rifles or other automatic weapons were recovered in the Saint-Denis flat where police engaged in a seven-hour gunfight with three terror suspects last Wednesday.

Having sifted the rubble and passed it through metal detectors, police were perplexed to find only one handgun, French radio network RTL reported.

Forensic scientists found a 9mm pistol and a dozen cartridges, along with fragments of an explosive vest filled with bolts.

However, police reported coming under consistent gunfire during the assault, saying they fired 5,000 rounds in retort.

"We came under heavy fire, and were up against true professionals," Jean-Michel Fauvergue, head of the elite anti-terrorist force Raid, which led the assault, told Le Parisien.

"They took turns to fire in bursts or single shots, so there was no break in their shooting."

Now remember, this siege involved hundreds of police officers surrounding this appartment and entire area for SEVEN HOURS, during which time they engaged in this intense firefight with someone. The result was that they arrested two people from the flat and the three that were inside were killed, their bodies found in the "rubble". Yet no automatic weapons! Maybe they were 3D printed kalashnikovs and melted in the explosion?

At least some of the police HAVE to know the official story about these recently converted jihadis is NOT the full story.
 
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At least some of the police HAVE to know the official story about these recently converted jihadis is NOT the full story. [/quote]

Yeah, if they know, they likely only whisper about it. Maybe they are afraid they could go the way of the suicided police investigator on the Charlie Hebdo op.
 
Perceval said:
More evidence of the narrative falling apart, leaving even police officers with no other option than to scratch their heads. This latest seems to me to be clear evidence of a fifth column with the security forces at the St. Denis siege being part of the "terrorists".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-no-assault-weapons-found-in-saint-denis-raid-after-police-report-heavy-fire-a6745686.html

No traces of Kalashnikov rifles or other automatic weapons were recovered in the Saint-Denis flat where police engaged in a seven-hour gunfight with three terror suspects last Wednesday.

Having sifted the rubble and passed it through metal detectors, police were perplexed to find only one handgun, French radio network RTL reported.

Forensic scientists found a 9mm pistol and a dozen cartridges, along with fragments of an explosive vest filled with bolts.

However, police reported coming under consistent gunfire during the assault, saying they fired 5,000 rounds in retort.

"We came under heavy fire, and were up against true professionals," Jean-Michel Fauvergue, head of the elite anti-terrorist force Raid, which led the assault, told Le Parisien.

"They took turns to fire in bursts or single shots, so there was no break in their shooting."

Now remember, this siege involved hundreds of police officers surrounding this appartment and entire area for SEVEN HOURS, during which time they engaged in this intense firefight with someone. The result was that they arrested two people from the flat and the three that were inside were killed, their bodies found in the "rubble". Yet no automatic weapons! Maybe they were 3D printed kalashnikovs and melted in the explosion?

At least some of the police HAVE to know the official story about these recently converted jihadis is NOT the full story.

Again, just like with the Toulouse "terror" attack a couple of years ago, why don't they use a grenade that puts them to sleep. If they know which flat, no shots are needed, just putting gas into the flat to subdue them/put them to sleep and the police would have been able to go in without risking any lives or injury. Why 5000 shots? Only to create fear and angst, I think
 
Looking at c.a.'s photograph it would appear that the shooter was standing between the glassware on the table and the glass window, shooting from hip height, towards the outside. The glass on the table is in a direct line with the bullet hole, yet is intact.
 
21st Century Wire November 23, 2015
http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/11/23/gladio-goes-full-retard-brussels-encourages-residents-to-fight-terror-by-tweeting-pics-of-your-cats/
GLADIO Goes Full Retard: Belgian Hive Mind Sees Residents ‘Fight Terror’ By Tweeting Pics of Cats

This week, Belgium authorities have gone completely over the Orwellian cliff, declaring its capital city Brussels under lock-down, all the while pumping-up their extremely questionable “An Attack is Imminent” public alarm campaign.

Here’s an interesting question: why would Operation GLADIO hit its own base of operations?

Now Belgium citizens are being encouraged to send out pictures of their cats on Twitter (see full report below). It can’t get any ridiculous than this.

How did we get here?


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‘MASTERMIND’: Abdelhamid Abaaoud.

A Tale of Terror

We’re told by ‘security sources’ several of the Paris terrorist attackers had lived in Brussels, including the operation’s alleged “Mastermind”, a 27 year old academically challenged student drop-out and unemployed son of a Moroccan immigrant, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, who authorities insist was the plot’s ‘orchestrator,’ and who they also claim was killed last Wednesday in the town of Saint Denis in France. Although the world’s media have since labelled him as a top “ISIS Commander”, he is still only listed as a suspect by police. That’s right – there is no actual proof of Abaaoud being involved, let alone being a mastermind. For some odd reason, not one member of the mainstream media has even dared to question this official narrative.

Somehow, you get the feeling that this is just a bad joke being played by the media, but sadly, it’s not.

These same ‘security sources’ and mainstream media ‘journalists’ also claimed that Abaaoud’s ‘cousin’ was a female suicide bomber who was also killed in the raid. That piece of disinformation was distributed worldwide – the only problem was this was a complete lie, released by unnamed ‘law enforcement officials’ and the media. How did that happen? They also told the world that this gallant French raid featured “a hail of bullets, automatic weapons” from the alleged terrorists. That was also a lie. It later emerged that only a 9mm pistol was actually found at the scene in Saint Denis. Another giant fish story – which was planted into the minds of the global public. By definition – this is a sate-media psy-op.

If they were wrong about all of these details – in what we are told is ‘the most important terror case’ in European history, then why should the public believe these ‘sources’ at all?

Fog of Terror

Being able to play Terror Table Tennis back and forth between Belgium and France, is a near genius strategy for operational partners who can outsource any potential political fall-out, public blame or angst to their hapless neighbor. Between the endless conveyor belt of minute-by-minute state ‘threat’ announcement, the tanks on the streets of Brussels, threat of ‘imminent’ sarin chemical weapons attacks, and the suspension of all rights, and even a Batman-Joker plot to spike the Brussels water supply with a secret deadly nerve agent – it seems as if the real architects of the Paris Attacks have managed to keep the public suitably confused and disoriented long enough that maybe no one will actually be able to figure out all of the anomalies and misfire statements and rampant misinformation disseminated by the state’s “intelligence” and “security” officials over the last 10 days.

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Bear this in mind when you see the same authorities touting the other “mastermind”…

Currently on the run is the world’s newest most wanted man, and ‘Public Enemy Number 1’, a 26 yr old Frenchman named Salah Abdeslam. The narrative for this character goes something like this: “He fled the bloodbath of the Friday 13 attacks rather than blow himself up.” Just like his fellow mastermind Abaaoud, this one is also only a “suspect”. Today, authorities claim that a French street cleaner suddenly just happened to find his ‘suicide bomb belt’ (10 days after the attacks? Right…) in a public garbage bin in the town Montrouge, near Paris.

Twitter Cats ‘Cloak and Dagger’

Perhaps the stupidest and most condescending Orwellian move came yesterday, as the state security hive told its citizens, “not to reveal details of security operation on social media,” because they believed that this would somehow tip-off fugitive suspects during the weekend’s televised LIVE anti-terror operation coverage (if that were really the case, the MSM would have done that job for them). Clearly, security chief and their media operatives do not have a lot of respect for the intelligence level of the average member of the public. The contrived PR campaign meant to look like a grass roots movement – where a lemming-like public we encouraged to Tweet photos of your cat (see pictures below), in order to somehow “throw off the terrorists from knowing what security services are doing” – is perhaps the most pathetic attempt yet to cultivate a sheep-like mentality, herding the public into the establishment’s over-the-top ‘security theatre’.

The reality is that Belgium authorities have already decreed Martial Law by deploying the military on the streets, shutting down public transport, closing schools, restricting movement, free speech, closing schools, sealing borders and instituting ‘pre-crime’ measures (arresting and detaining anyone for any reason, with no evidence of being involved in any crime) – all because of a supposed suspicion that the Paris Attacks were planned and run out of Brussels, the headquarters of NATO and the European Union. And every is expected to believe everything that ‘official sources’ are telling them about the ‘true nature’ of the terrorist threat.

We’re also told that so far, 21 arrests have been made by Belgium police. We’ll see how many of those are actually convicted for terrorist offenses. We’re guess that number will eventually be: zero.

If there was ever an ultimate national lock-down drill – this is it.

It appears that this psy-op was launched via a mainstream media outlet and then somehow immediately “went viral”, after a cameraman for Dutch TV channel NOS, Hugo Janssen, tweeted out: “Instead of tweets about police activity in Brussels, here’s a picture of our cat Mozart”.


Not surprisingly, with the help of the mainstream media – the campaign gained public traction. It wasn’t hard to tell this was a planted social media campaign because the usual mainstream media suspects have been amplifying this “safe” story which has all the signs of a cheap, and highly camp Euro psy-op.


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senior media operative and war propagandist, Christiane Amanpour (above), proclaimed that Belgians ‘went above and beyond the call of duty’, calling the contrived Twitter campaign “Belgium’s furry fight for freedom.” We expect nothing less from CNN. But hey… the cat photos are really cute though..!

Bravo GLADIO… hate to see what’s next
Never Go Full Retard

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