Paris shootout, explosions, casualties

[Aeneas]

Your question about Michael Lane got me thinking, so I tried looking up the "American Institute for Foreign Policy" and can't find a web presence which is odd. Michael Lane is, however all over the internet being interviewed by Press TV, and others. A number of intros for him all state that he founded the American Institute for Foreign Policy, but there doesn't seem to be any concrete site where you can get actual information about this supposed institute. Am I not looking hard enough, or is there something strange going on here?

Yes, it is a bit strange. I have not succeded to find anything about the "American Instititute for Foreign Policy" or about Michael Lane, other than he is said to be the founder/president of the former. Google images doesn't give any results either. As far as I can see he is used mainly by Press TV.

 

[Laura]

I have spoken out against blaming the victim in comments to past VT articles esp re how much fluoridation Americans have been subjected to - we ARE & HAVE been duped on a level that is all but incomprehensible! But then, on the other hand, hasn't the persistent drum beat here been that going along w/ all this false perpetrated violence - esp in regards to condoning torture - is bringing all but certain cosmic cataclysmic destruction upon our planet? To wit, Laura's last article:

The great global change game: Our civilization is headed for the fate of the Bronze Age - destruction

[...] In fact, historical research has convinced me more today than ever that there is no good outcome for the human race if the present conditions continue along their defined trajectory. If human beings don't kill billions of other human beings rather soon, it seems the planet itself, or the cosmos, will do it for us.

OK - let's let THAT last sentence sink in for a moment ...

I have to admit, the 1st time I read it, it didn't penetrate my consciouness - it just sort of slid by. Now, I read it and I'm like, is Laura saying that to prevent cosmic cataclysm, it's going to be essential to exterminate billions of our fellow human beings?!!! Is that deserved/justified in the same sense that you're pointing to PCR's statement? One might be inclinded to think that Laura's statement is "way too much".

You totally misunderstood what I said, inferring meaning from it that isn't there. It's discouraging to me that rather clear English is so easily mis-read. Let me take the extra effort to make it crystal clear:

First part of statement:

"In fact, historical research has convinced me more today than ever..."

That means I am speaking about historical patterns that I see again and again, and which are manifesting again in the present.

BASED ON those historical patterns that play out a certain way over and over again:

"that there is no good outcome for the human race if the present conditions continue along their defined trajectory."

What IS that trajectory that is seen again and again in history???

" If human beings don't kill billions of other human beings rather soon, it seems the planet itself, or the cosmos, will do it for us."

That is what history shows. When things are like they are now (and the most recent histories of WW I and II can also be consulted), there just doesn't seem to be any other outcome: either people kill each other in vast numbers, or the planet/cosmos does, or both.

In the case of WW I and II, people carried out the slaughter. There have been other times when people were engaged in carrying out slaughter when the planet/cosmos intervened and just added to the misery and suffering.

So, how the heck did you go from me reporting historical facts and probable outcomes to:

is Laura saying that to prevent cosmic cataclysm, it's going to be essential to exterminate billions of our fellow human beings?!!!

How the hell would slaughtering billions of people prevent cosmic cataclysm?
Are you nuts? Why would you think that I am saying that it is essential to do that??? Are you nuts???

Geeze, it is twists like that which discourage the heck out of me that anybody can really grok the situation we are in.

 

[sitting]

To wit, Laura's last article:

The great global change game: Our civilization is headed for the fate of the Bronze Age - destruction

[...] In fact, historical research has convinced me more today than ever that there is no good outcome for the human race if the present conditions continue along their defined trajectory. If human beings don't kill billions of other human beings rather soon, it seems the planet itself, or the cosmos, will do it for us.

is Laura saying that to prevent cosmic cataclysm, it's going to be essential to exterminate billions of our fellow human beings?!!!

No. I don't think she's saying that at all.

I believe you've mistaken an observation for an advocacy. Big difference.

FWIW.

PS
But I do wish to point out in reference to Laura's remark above, the "defined trajectory" may indeed not be as defined as we all feared. I think it's remarkably open in some sense -- depending on what we all do and intend. I continue to interpret the C's transmission as encouraging and optimistic. But I could be wrong.

 

[Kisito]

To wit, Laura's last article:

The great global change game: Our civilization is headed for the fate of the Bronze Age - destruction

[...] In fact, historical research has convinced me more today than ever that there is no good outcome for the human race if the present conditions continue along their defined trajectory. If human beings don't kill billions of other human beings rather soon, it seems the planet itself, or the cosmos, will do it for us.

is Laura saying that to prevent cosmic cataclysm, it's going to be essential to exterminate billions of our fellow human beings?!!!

No. I don't think she's saying that at all.

I believe you've mistaken an observation for an advocacy. Big difference.

FWIW.

PS
But I do wish to point out in reference to Laura's remark above, the "defined trajectory" may indeed not be as defined as we all feared. I think it's remarkably open in some sense -- depending on what we all do and intend. I continue to interpret the C's transmission as encouraging and optimistic. But I could be wrong.

It depends on the definition of optimism! Pessimism is not necessarily death! We can conceive that there are many paths to the future. But if we go to the east, west, north or south, we are still going in circles, and we arrive at the same place! Does the universal laws are the same as the cosmological laws, mathematics, social and political? And also some different paths they are, have a single purpose!

 

[Cosmos]

The empire seems to loose its grip on its allies slave states, to russia, the more in tumbles:

A couple of days ago EU Präsident Jean-Claude Juncker send a letter to Putin and asked for cooperation:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/business/21-Nov-2015/eu-s-juncker-dangles-trade-ties-with-russia-led-bloc-to-putin

And now Brussels, the head city of the EU, is on highest alert with troops in the streets and terror threats all over.

A coincidence? I don't think so!

I think we can expect much more fabricated terror all over the west, as the empire desperately tries to hold its bloody grip of its minions.
It's heating up. It will get much worst in the west I think.

 

[loreta]

The empire seems to loose its grip on its allies slave states, to russia, the more in tumbles:

A couple of days ago EU Präsident Jean-Claude Juncker send a letter to Putin and asked for cooperation:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/business/21-Nov-2015/eu-s-juncker-dangles-trade-ties-with-russia-led-bloc-to-putin

And now Brussels, the head city of the EU, is on highest alert with troops in the streets and terror threats all over.

A coincidence? I don't think so!

I think we can expect much more fabricated terror all over the west, as the empire desperately tries to hold its bloody grip of its minions.
It's heating up. It will get much worst in the west I think.

The situation is very very hot! Now Belgium and next? Maybe Spain? What is important is to remember to people that there is a danger, and close the borders, and expand fear, fear, fear.... I feel sorry for this situation, but this situation maybe is opening the eyes of many, many people. I think so.


Concerning the article of Laura, one of the qualities of her writing is her clarity. I am not a English native but when I read her I understand her. It is also important to read her articles and books more then once. And have a global vision of the situation from her perspective and Sott perspective. So if we read something that seems in contradiction with it, we need to read again. Sometimes we read and we just project our fears and our ideas or anything else on what we read because in fact we are not reading at all, we invent sentences. . So when that happens we should stop to read, breath and read later. This is my opinion, sorry.

 

[Konstantin]

The empire seems to loose its grip on its allies slave states, to russia, the more in tumbles:

A couple of days ago EU Präsident Jean-Claude Juncker send a letter to Putin and asked for cooperation:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/business/21-Nov-2015/eu-s-juncker-dangles-trade-ties-with-russia-led-bloc-to-putin

And now Brussels, the head city of the EU, is on highest alert with troops in the streets and terror threats all over.

A coincidence? I don't think so!

I think we can expect much more fabricated terror all over the west, as the empire desperately tries to hold its bloody grip of its minions.
It's heating up. It will get much worst in the west I think.

The situation is very very hot! Now Belgium and next? Maybe Spain? What is important is to remember to people that there is a danger, and close the borders, and expand fear, fear, fear.... I feel sorry for this situation, but this situation maybe is opening the eyes of many, many people. I think so.


Concerning the article of Laura, one of the qualities of her writing is her clarity. I am not a English native but when I read her I understand her. It is also important to read her articles and books more then once. And have a global vision of the situation from her perspective and Sott perspective. So if we read something that seems in contradiction with it, we need to read again. Sometimes we read and we just project our fears and our ideas or anything else on what we read because in fact we are not reading at all, we invent sentences. . So when that happens we should stop to read, breath and read later. This is my opinion, sorry.

Me too. English is also not my native language and sometimes when i read something in English i have to read it few times , but i have never problems with Laura`s writings. Her writing style is so nice and clean and very understandable. I can read and understand her writings as fast as any other text in my native language.

 

[beherenow]

Hi all, Don't know if i should put this here or in the Disinfo section, but i think it forwards this thought..

Posted by: Pashalis

I think we can expect much more fabricated terror all over the west, as the empire desperately tries to hold its bloody grip of its minions.
It's heating up. It will get much worst in the west I think.

...only seven days after the attack we get some full throttle propaganda and fear mongering from our friends at Langley...er, the History Channel.

The ISIS Storm: America on Alert

Though the title doesn't indicate it, it started with Paris footage...i did not provide a link cause its pure BS....i only watched a couple minutes...fear, FEAR, FEAR....same old song, ya know?...just another little tune by the "reality creators" for the sheep.

PS, Excellent job Joe!

 

[JEEP]

If human beings don't kill billions of other human beings rather soon, it seems the planet itself, or the cosmos, will do it for us.

Thanks to all for your replies concerning the above. I see now that I took the words too literally & not the way they were intended and so my confusion. Nothing of this sort had ever been stated before & so I was quite shocked by the wrong literal meaning.

Alas, it does appear our current trajectory is beyond bleak. Mouthpieces/spinmeisters such as Michael Lane continue to spout the official line of twisted facts & justification for all the evil western hegemony. It's rather questionable why Press TV and others are featuring him esp if an American Institute for Foreign Policy isn't even a real thing? Nevertheless, that his ridiculous assertions were refuted so effectively by Joe was refreshing & gratifying.

Yes, the fear porn is being ramped up exponentially - the most effective weapon in the psychopath's tool kit.

 

[Laura]

If human beings don't kill billions of other human beings rather soon, it seems the planet itself, or the cosmos, will do it for us.

Thanks to all for your replies concerning the above. I see now that I took the words too literally & not the way they were intended and so my confusion. Nothing of this sort had ever been stated before & so I was quite shocked by the wrong literal meaning. most effective weapon in the psychopath's tool kit.

No, you didn't take it literally, you took it out of the context of the preceding sentences and that is extremely distressing to me: 1) that I could be so completely misunderstood and 2) that you could infer so pejorative a meaning by removing a statement from its context.

 

[JEEP]

If human beings don't kill billions of other human beings rather soon, it seems the planet itself, or the cosmos, will do it for us.

Thanks to all for your replies concerning the above. I see now that I took the words too literally & not the way they were intended and so my confusion. Nothing of this sort had ever been stated before & so I was quite shocked by the wrong literal meaning. most effective weapon in the psychopath's tool kit.

No, you didn't take it literally, you took it out of the context of the preceding sentences and that is extremely distressing to me: 1) that I could be so completely misunderstood and 2) that you could infer so pejorative a meaning by removing a statement from its context.

Yes, it was an obvious mistake to look at that sentence as a stand alone construction of words - and I think the first time I read it, that didn't happen. It was only when I looked at it by ITSELF that the wrong inference was made and I agree that IS distressing. That inference did not go along w/ anything that had ever been presented heretofore & so I don't know why my mind went there. A lot has been written that the past weeks have been 'strange' for many forum members w/ negative thoughts/feelings including you:

A: Hello my children! Loftosiea of Cassiopaea here to help heal deep wounds.

Q: (L) What is the source of those wounds of which you speak?

A: Deep psychic attack.

Q: (L) And what is the source of the attack?

A: As we have warned you in past, the attack rotates looking for weaknesses to exploit.

Q: (L) And what is the goal of this kind of attack?

A: To destroy your ability to fulfill your mission.

[...]

Q: (L) Well, for days now, I've felt like a really big chunk of me was just torn out. Psychically. I mean, it's like I've been psychically bleeding. And I feel like I made terrible mistakes, and that everything that happened is basically my fault - from the past, to the present.

A: Hope you don't actually believe that! The forces seeking to prevent your mission have been busy for many years!

As human beings, it's inevitable to continually make mistakes. That YOU could ever seriously believe that "everything that happened is basically my fault - from the past, to the present" just goes to show how incredibly intense these psychic attacks are! Everyone here owes all to YOU - we'd be completely bereft of any real actual knowledge of our reality had you not done all that you have - and you've borne the consequences more than anyone else. That you're still standing/fighting & continue to do all that you do is more than astounding!

I never in my wildest dreams imagined I & the entire planet could be living in such an incredible nightmare existence. The extreme reality of it all takes it's toll even when one attempts to keep on the straight & narrow path of truth. Being forced to function in a world awash w/ outlandish, evil lies while friends/family/general population continue to believe & go along w/ these lies can't help but have a traumatizing effect. Sott & the forum are really all I have to help me cling to sanity - even if I am perceived to be a black sheep!

Just to revisit the problem sentence for the sake of absolute clarity, what if it had been written:

If human beings don't [succeed in killing/manage to] kill billions of other human beings rather soon, it seems the planet itself, or the cosmos, will do it for us.

Well, I don't think I could have possibly gotten the wrong inference from that wording, but your original construct was certainly fine - the fault was mine and it DIDN'T make any sense to come to the conclusion that I did. I think I'm just getting worn down by all the over-the-top ongoing crazy - my chink being exposed.

Again, very powerful forces at work here and tho I may fail, I'm confident that all of you won't.

 

[Skyalmian]

Uhh...
_http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-state-of-emergency-declared-for-three-months-allowing-authorities-to-shut-down-websites-and-a6740886.html
:/

 

[Joe]

One more detail of the official story that doesn't make sense:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34818994

At about 21:40, on the boulevard Voltaire in the 11th arrondissement, near place de la Nation, a man sat down in the Comptoir Voltaire café and placed an order before detonating his suicide vest, killing himself and injuring fifteen people, one of them seriously

Yet this is one of the images that are being presented as part of that story. For the record, based on other images of the facade, this does seem to be an image of windows of the Comptoir Voltaire cafe.

 

[Eboard10]

Uhh...
_http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-state-of-emergency-declared-for-three-months-allowing-authorities-to-shut-down-websites-and-a6740886.html
:/

Doesn't bode well for the country.

Hopefully the Chateau crew has everything safely backed up in case something were to happen.

 

[loreta]

JEEP, my humble point of view is that yes, we can make mistakes interpreting sentences and texts and that's human. But having caused distress to Laura when she is devoting her life to put some explanation at what is happening around us with an unconditional love, I think you should write apologies to Laura. And written apologies does prove that you are aware of the consequences of your misinterpretation of her article. It is not a question of just admitting your mistake but being sorry for it.

By the way this is just my simple opinion. Keep on reading!