Paris shootout, explosions, casualties
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Seaniebawn said:
Whatever about how this attack will be used to change the situation on the ground in Syria, if we consider the broader battle for control of public perception, then Putin's intervention in Syria opened a lot of minds to the Big Lie that is the 'war on terror', and this attack in Paris is the empire striking back with fear and terror to close those minds again.
Still further, the Galeries Lafayette also evacuated under bomb threat
French news: http://www.linternaute.com/actualite/societe/1258091-bataclan-et-fusillades-l-etat-islamique-revendique-les-attaques-a-paris-galeries-lafayette-et-aeroport-de-londres-evacues/
"Bataclan and gunfights, Islamic State claims the attacks in Paris, London airport and Galeries Lafayette evacuated"
French news: http://www.linternaute.com/actualite/societe/1258091-bataclan-et-fusillades-l-etat-islamique-revendique-les-attaques-a-paris-galeries-lafayette-et-aeroport-de-londres-evacues/
"Bataclan and gunfights, Islamic State claims the attacks in Paris, London airport and Galeries Lafayette evacuated"
Seaniebawn
Jedi Master
Laura said:
Indeed, and seems plausible I wondered about this, 50 special forces/CIA Wet work teams there to kill off anyone who could spill the beans, but I'm sure Russia already know who the pay masters are, so if any of these ISIS commanders were taken capture by Russian/Syrian forces would and they confessed would the testimony even see the light of day, stuff like that isn't for public consumption, although I could see why Russia/Syria would see these as high profile targets at least for the Intel they could provide, CIA tying up loose ends.
Jihadi John 'dead': MI5 on alert amid fears of Isil revenge attack - as it happened
American officials say we may never know whether the drone strike did indeed kill Jihadi John
By Harriet Alexander, Leon Watson, Barney Henderson and David Millward
6:24AM GMT 14 Nov 2015
Summary: what we know so far
MI5 is on high alert amid fears that Isil fanatics are already plotting revenge attacks for the reported killing of Jihadi John in a drone strike in Raqqa, Syria.
The communications of known sympathisers are being monitored closely as surveillance is stepped up to prevent a terrorist outrage in revenge for the operation which is now widely acknowledged to have resulted in the death of Mohammed Emwazi– who as Jihadi John – earned global notoriety. [...]
Although one or two officials in Washington are counselling caution, there is now an overwhelming consensus that Jihadi John was killed in the drone strike along with a sympathiser – possibly his driver – as their car hurtled through the Syrian town of Raqqa.
Gradually details of how the British Jihadist was tracked down and then attacked by drone has started to emerge.
A British drone, operating from Lincolnshire, helped track Emwazi, although what are believed to have been the fatal shots were fired by the Americans. According to one report he was tracked for six weeks before the decisive strike was made.
At various times reports have said that Jihadi John was “evaporated” or “incinerated” and “eviscerated” during the strike.
In a separate development, there were reports that the Turkish authorities had captured his closest associate, Aine Lesley Davis, who is also a Briton.
Reaction to the death of Emwazi has varied. Col. Steve Warren, the Pentagon spokesman, was jubilant.
“He was a primary recruitment tool for that organization. We’re all familiar with the ghastly videos- the absolute barbarism that he displayed against American citizens. I mean this guy was a human animal, and killing him is probably making the world a better place.”
But the families of his victims were rather less triumphant. Dragana Prodanovic Haines, the Croatian wife of David Haines, a British aid worker, said the Jihadist’s death would mean one monster less, but she still wished he had been captured alive.
“"I have heard the news but it doesn't bring me any comfort because nothing will bring back my husband.”
Diane Foley, the mother of murdered American journalist James Foley, found no solace in Jihadi John’s death..
“It saddens me that here in America we are celebrating the killing of a deranged, pathetic young man,” she told ABC News.
The death of Emwazi has also had political implications in Britain, with Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, wishing Jihadi John had been captured alive and put on trial – a view which was not shared by some of his MPs including Ian Austin.
Mr Austin ridiculed the suggestion that Emwazi would have come quietly.
David Cameron, made clear that he viewed the operation as a justified act of self defence.
“Emwazi is a barbaric murderer. He was shown in those sickening videos of the beheading of British aid workers.
"He posed an ongoing and serious threat to innocent civilians not only in Syria, but around the world and in the United Kingdom too.
"He was Isil's lead executioner, and let us never forget that he killed many, many Muslims too.
"And he was intent on murdering many more people.”
Morning Star condemns Jihadi John killing
The Morning Star is joining those who have criticized the killing of Jihadi John. Like Jeremy Corbyn, it believes he should have been captured and brought before a court. The paper’s front page speaks for itself.
With Jeremy Corbyn likely to widen the gap between the Labour leadership and much of the parliamentary party, John McTernan, who was Tony Blair’s Director of Operations, has made clear where he stands
Writing in the Telegraph, he pulls no punches in his analysis of Jeremy Corbyn’s remarks about Jihadi John
Quote There are moments when a politician says something so stupid that you cannot believe they were spoken out loud. Often, nor can they. I am pretty sure that Tracey Couch regrets speaking her brain. But then there are the politicians who never surprise you with their stupidity.
Take apart his statement on Jihadi John. First of all, he really means it. His delivery may be deadly dull, but it is deadly serious. Now, you and I might well think that it would be better for all of us if death cult jihadism didn't exist in the first place. Such Route One thoughts are not for Corbyn.
Speaking on our behalf – and, as he says, for all of us – Corbyn's conclusion is that a court of law would have been a better destination for the murdering terrorist rather than the grave. At the very least one might question whether Jihadi John was ever likely to return to Queen's Park to help the Met with their enquiries
Jihadi John "tracked for six weeks"
It was reported last night that Jihadi John was tracked for the last six weeks by British and American spies.
The Sun, quoting intelligence sources, says the original lead was picked up in September. Since then he was tracked by drones, RAF and USAF spy planes. His calls were monitored and there were even spotters on the ground.
Convinced that they had found their man, there was a delay while they waited for a “clean hit”. He was killed – along with another Isil member as his car hurtled through Raqqa at high speed,
An intelligence source told the paper “Emwazi died not because he screwed up, he was always very careful.
“It was more the result of a sustained and very broad effort that went on for many weeks.
[...]
Conservative US commentator links Paris attacks to Jihadi John's death
Inevitably some commentators are linking the atrocities in Paris to the operation to kill Jihadi John. They include Katie Pavlich, a conservative commentator who has voiced her views on Twitter
More here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11994992/jihadi-john-mohammed-emwazi-dead-syria-latest-news.html
American officials say we may never know whether the drone strike did indeed kill Jihadi John
By Harriet Alexander, Leon Watson, Barney Henderson and David Millward
6:24AM GMT 14 Nov 2015
Summary: what we know so far
MI5 is on high alert amid fears that Isil fanatics are already plotting revenge attacks for the reported killing of Jihadi John in a drone strike in Raqqa, Syria.
The communications of known sympathisers are being monitored closely as surveillance is stepped up to prevent a terrorist outrage in revenge for the operation which is now widely acknowledged to have resulted in the death of Mohammed Emwazi– who as Jihadi John – earned global notoriety. [...]
Although one or two officials in Washington are counselling caution, there is now an overwhelming consensus that Jihadi John was killed in the drone strike along with a sympathiser – possibly his driver – as their car hurtled through the Syrian town of Raqqa.
Gradually details of how the British Jihadist was tracked down and then attacked by drone has started to emerge.
A British drone, operating from Lincolnshire, helped track Emwazi, although what are believed to have been the fatal shots were fired by the Americans. According to one report he was tracked for six weeks before the decisive strike was made.
At various times reports have said that Jihadi John was “evaporated” or “incinerated” and “eviscerated” during the strike.
In a separate development, there were reports that the Turkish authorities had captured his closest associate, Aine Lesley Davis, who is also a Briton.
Reaction to the death of Emwazi has varied. Col. Steve Warren, the Pentagon spokesman, was jubilant.
“He was a primary recruitment tool for that organization. We’re all familiar with the ghastly videos- the absolute barbarism that he displayed against American citizens. I mean this guy was a human animal, and killing him is probably making the world a better place.”
But the families of his victims were rather less triumphant. Dragana Prodanovic Haines, the Croatian wife of David Haines, a British aid worker, said the Jihadist’s death would mean one monster less, but she still wished he had been captured alive.
“"I have heard the news but it doesn't bring me any comfort because nothing will bring back my husband.”
Diane Foley, the mother of murdered American journalist James Foley, found no solace in Jihadi John’s death..
“It saddens me that here in America we are celebrating the killing of a deranged, pathetic young man,” she told ABC News.
The death of Emwazi has also had political implications in Britain, with Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, wishing Jihadi John had been captured alive and put on trial – a view which was not shared by some of his MPs including Ian Austin.
Mr Austin ridiculed the suggestion that Emwazi would have come quietly.
David Cameron, made clear that he viewed the operation as a justified act of self defence.
“Emwazi is a barbaric murderer. He was shown in those sickening videos of the beheading of British aid workers.
"He posed an ongoing and serious threat to innocent civilians not only in Syria, but around the world and in the United Kingdom too.
"He was Isil's lead executioner, and let us never forget that he killed many, many Muslims too.
"And he was intent on murdering many more people.”
Morning Star condemns Jihadi John killing
The Morning Star is joining those who have criticized the killing of Jihadi John. Like Jeremy Corbyn, it believes he should have been captured and brought before a court. The paper’s front page speaks for itself.
With Jeremy Corbyn likely to widen the gap between the Labour leadership and much of the parliamentary party, John McTernan, who was Tony Blair’s Director of Operations, has made clear where he stands
Writing in the Telegraph, he pulls no punches in his analysis of Jeremy Corbyn’s remarks about Jihadi John
Quote There are moments when a politician says something so stupid that you cannot believe they were spoken out loud. Often, nor can they. I am pretty sure that Tracey Couch regrets speaking her brain. But then there are the politicians who never surprise you with their stupidity.
Take apart his statement on Jihadi John. First of all, he really means it. His delivery may be deadly dull, but it is deadly serious. Now, you and I might well think that it would be better for all of us if death cult jihadism didn't exist in the first place. Such Route One thoughts are not for Corbyn.
Speaking on our behalf – and, as he says, for all of us – Corbyn's conclusion is that a court of law would have been a better destination for the murdering terrorist rather than the grave. At the very least one might question whether Jihadi John was ever likely to return to Queen's Park to help the Met with their enquiries
Jihadi John "tracked for six weeks"
It was reported last night that Jihadi John was tracked for the last six weeks by British and American spies.
The Sun, quoting intelligence sources, says the original lead was picked up in September. Since then he was tracked by drones, RAF and USAF spy planes. His calls were monitored and there were even spotters on the ground.
Convinced that they had found their man, there was a delay while they waited for a “clean hit”. He was killed – along with another Isil member as his car hurtled through Raqqa at high speed,
An intelligence source told the paper “Emwazi died not because he screwed up, he was always very careful.
“It was more the result of a sustained and very broad effort that went on for many weeks.
[...]
Conservative US commentator links Paris attacks to Jihadi John's death
Inevitably some commentators are linking the atrocities in Paris to the operation to kill Jihadi John. They include Katie Pavlich, a conservative commentator who has voiced her views on Twitter
More here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11994992/jihadi-john-mohammed-emwazi-dead-syria-latest-news.html
Sputnik
Syrian Passport Found Near Body of One of Paris Suicide Bombers
14:55 14.11.2015
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151114/1030097601/paris-bomber-syria-passport.html
A Syrian passsport was found near the body of one of the Paris suicide bombers, French TV reported Sarturday.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151114/1030097601/paris-bomber-syria-passport.html#ixzz3rSyQN6Jd
The Shia Post
ISIS terrorists burn passports, call for attacks in France: Video (Video is Gone)
_http://en.shiapost.com/2014/11/21/isis-terrorists-burn-passports-call-for-attacks-in-france/
_https://www.google.fr/search?q=terrorist+attack+and+passports&biw=1102&bih=882&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIyNDnr--PyQIVirQaCh0MuwLk#tbm=isch&q=flase+flags+attack+and+passports
November 21, 2014
So-called takfiri terrorist group of Islamic State Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has released a film showing the terrorist group’s French-speaking fighters burning French passports and urging others to join in the fight – in the streets of France.
The footage, filmed in a forest, was released by Al Hayat, the main media source used by so-called Islamic State (also known as ISIS, or ISIL), and shows four men who are allegedly French citizens. Three of the men speak in French into the camera.
link to full article
Syrian Passport Found Near Body of One of Paris Suicide Bombers
14:55 14.11.2015
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151114/1030097601/paris-bomber-syria-passport.html
A Syrian passsport was found near the body of one of the Paris suicide bombers, French TV reported Sarturday.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151114/1030097601/paris-bomber-syria-passport.html#ixzz3rSyQN6Jd
The Shia Post
ISIS terrorists burn passports, call for attacks in France: Video (Video is Gone)
_http://en.shiapost.com/2014/11/21/isis-terrorists-burn-passports-call-for-attacks-in-france/
_https://www.google.fr/search?q=terrorist+attack+and+passports&biw=1102&bih=882&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIyNDnr--PyQIVirQaCh0MuwLk#tbm=isch&q=flase+flags+attack+and+passports
November 21, 2014
So-called takfiri terrorist group of Islamic State Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has released a film showing the terrorist group’s French-speaking fighters burning French passports and urging others to join in the fight – in the streets of France.
The footage, filmed in a forest, was released by Al Hayat, the main media source used by so-called Islamic State (also known as ISIS, or ISIL), and shows four men who are allegedly French citizens. Three of the men speak in French into the camera.
link to full article
This attack reminds me of the Mumbai attack in late November 2008. 164 people were killed when a group of terrorists carried out a series of 12 coordinated shooting and bombing attacks lasting four days across Mumbai. They shot up cafés, a hotel, a hospital, a train station and a 'Chabad Lubavitch Jewish center'. There were also car-bomb explosions in taxis.
10 Pakistani members of Lashkar-e-Taiba, an Islamic militant organisation 'affiliated with Pakistani Taliban', were blamed. All but one were apparently killed by Indian security forces during the attacks. The surviving terrorist was later tried and sentenced to death.
The fall-out from the attack saw India accuse the Pakistani ISI of involvement and set back relations between the two countries. It also heralded the beginning of the US drone strikes campaign in Pakistan.
Some of the details from the attack are curious. Here's the Guardian:
And from the BBC:
While the official account now says that all but one of the 10 terrorists were killed on location, at the time the Indian authorities reported that 37 suspects were at large, and that 8 of the gunmen were arrested, 2 of whom were 'of British descent'.
From the Wiki page on the attack, we read:
But the most curious thing of all was discovered a year after the attack...
10 Pakistani members of Lashkar-e-Taiba, an Islamic militant organisation 'affiliated with Pakistani Taliban', were blamed. All but one were apparently killed by Indian security forces during the attacks. The surviving terrorist was later tried and sentenced to death.
The fall-out from the attack saw India accuse the Pakistani ISI of involvement and set back relations between the two countries. It also heralded the beginning of the US drone strikes campaign in Pakistan.
Some of the details from the attack are curious. Here's the Guardian:
And from the BBC:
While the official account now says that all but one of the 10 terrorists were killed on location, at the time the Indian authorities reported that 37 suspects were at large, and that 8 of the gunmen were arrested, 2 of whom were 'of British descent'.
From the Wiki page on the attack, we read:
But the most curious thing of all was discovered a year after the attack...
alkhemst said:
It doesn't make sense if it's retribution for past French airstrikes in Syria (there are none)... but it might make sense if it's to ensure future French airstrikes in Syria (in the Western coalition).
Correction: there has been one (claimed) French airstrike in Syria, on September 27th, 3 days before Russian forces effectively took control of Syrian airspace. There is no video or other evidence of such a strike.
Correction 2: I've actually found 3 claims of French airstrikes in Syria, two after the Russians moved in there. An airstrike on Nov 10th at an 'ISIS-controlled oil depot' near Raqqa, and another one a month earlier on Oct 8th at an 'ISIS camp', also near Raqqa.
Seaniebawn
Jedi Master
luc said:alkhemst said:
That bothers me as well - they spin it in such a way that the West is "punished" for bombing ISIS, when in fact, well...
Yeah it's insane, imagine the mental gymnastics you'd have to do for that to make sense, although with all the propaganda being spouted about i'm sure there are many people coming to this "conclusion" disintegration turned to 11
