Passenger Plane Crashes at Rostov-on-Don Airport in Russia
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Pashalis said:
Here is the embedded video with the imo interesting angle from the crash:
And it looks like if it follows the normal path and then suddenly falls out of the sky.
Solie123
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Joe said:
That’s what I’m thinking. In the video Anam Cara posted, the plane is seen flying below the clouds, which could mean the pilot was attempting to land, but then the plane changes course and is seen ascending again; so maybe the pilot realized how difficult it would be to land? Either way, the plane disappears in the clouds, and whatever happened, occurred in the course of 20 seconds, as that is when the plane reemerges, falling out of the sky.
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Laura said:
Ok, so it could have been preparing to land at that point. I thought that what I was seeing in those videos was the plane falling from an altitude that is too high to make the runway, and that it was instead in the middle of doing another overpass of the airport or something.
sitting
Dagobah Resident
For better or for worse, here's another possibility. One of many.
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160320/1036622572/flydubai-crash-russia.html
This should be taken with a grain of salt. But it also cannot be simply ruled out ... out of hand.
A possible "criminal" case.
FWIW.
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160320/1036622572/flydubai-crash-russia.html
This should be taken with a grain of salt. But it also cannot be simply ruled out ... out of hand.
A possible "criminal" case.
FWIW.
angelburst29
The Living Force
sitting said:
In a Legal sense, to prioritize the case into a criminal category, adds an additional "tier" of investigative priorities that leave no stone unturned. It's a smart move, in my estimation, considering the circumstances. It's not just an investigation into a plane crash that may have been affected by adverse weather conditions or pilot error/ or both but to also rule out or document any criminal motive, that might have been a contributing factor.
Quote:
During his visit to the crash site, Alexander Bastrykin inspected the work of a team of criminal investigators… and made several orders, including handing the criminal case over to the Investigative Committee’s department dealing with particularly important cases for further investigation," Markin's statement read. http://sledcom.ru/news/item/1023984/
They're settling on pilot error:
Leaked Flydubai recorder data reveals argument, panic in cockpit before ‘fatal nosedive’
Leaked Flydubai recorder data reveals argument, panic in cockpit before ‘fatal nosedive’
Richs
The Cosmic Force
It is looking more and more that the pilots made a fundamental error that is normally only seen in student pilots or very low-time pilots.
As we have seen from the video, the plane was in a steep angle downward and at an amazing speed of descent. This is almost always caused by a stall unless there is some major mechanical malfunction of the plane, which is nearly unheard of today. I had made a 'guestimate' of the descent speed by assuming the bottom of the clouds was about five or six hundred feet above the altitude of the field and noting the plane only took about four seconds to hit the ground. This means the plane was going downwards at somewhere around 200 miles an hour.
An interesting fact about planes which most people are not aware is that the listed "stall speed" of any aircraft is only related to steady-state flight. This can be at straight and level or climbing or descending, as long as it is a steady state condition. This can be misleading.
The actuality is that a wing can stall at ANY airspeed, and the thing that determines if a wing will continue to generate lift or stall is the angle of attack of the wing. Wings work to generate lift by forcing the air above the wing to follow a curved path which is longer than the path the air flows on the underside of the wing. Because the air must move faster above the wing, the pressure becomes lower (Bernouli's Principle) and the difference in pressure is what provides the lifting force.
When the wings stall, the airflow over the wings become turbulent and no longer is there a smooth flow. This brings the effective lift to a small fraction of it's original condition - very suddenly too. And as I had mentioned earlier, when approaching stall the drag becomes very high too, and when stalled the drag increases even more. The plane begins to plummet downward very quickly, almost like a free fall. The only thing to do is to put the nose of the plane downward steeply and apply full power available.
It apparently took them several seconds to realize the situation and they were probably way too low and slow to really do anything about it before they crashed. This is a pilot's worst nightmare!
I feel really bad for all those who were aboard the plane that night. I'm sure it was horrible.
As we have seen from the video, the plane was in a steep angle downward and at an amazing speed of descent. This is almost always caused by a stall unless there is some major mechanical malfunction of the plane, which is nearly unheard of today. I had made a 'guestimate' of the descent speed by assuming the bottom of the clouds was about five or six hundred feet above the altitude of the field and noting the plane only took about four seconds to hit the ground. This means the plane was going downwards at somewhere around 200 miles an hour.
An interesting fact about planes which most people are not aware is that the listed "stall speed" of any aircraft is only related to steady-state flight. This can be at straight and level or climbing or descending, as long as it is a steady state condition. This can be misleading.
The actuality is that a wing can stall at ANY airspeed, and the thing that determines if a wing will continue to generate lift or stall is the angle of attack of the wing. Wings work to generate lift by forcing the air above the wing to follow a curved path which is longer than the path the air flows on the underside of the wing. Because the air must move faster above the wing, the pressure becomes lower (Bernouli's Principle) and the difference in pressure is what provides the lifting force.
When the wings stall, the airflow over the wings become turbulent and no longer is there a smooth flow. This brings the effective lift to a small fraction of it's original condition - very suddenly too. And as I had mentioned earlier, when approaching stall the drag becomes very high too, and when stalled the drag increases even more. The plane begins to plummet downward very quickly, almost like a free fall. The only thing to do is to put the nose of the plane downward steeply and apply full power available.
It apparently took them several seconds to realize the situation and they were probably way too low and slow to really do anything about it before they crashed. This is a pilot's worst nightmare!
I feel really bad for all those who were aboard the plane that night. I'm sure it was horrible.
