Paul Dienach - Sleeping sickness time traveller?

[Ryan]

Whatever the source of the material, it sounds to me like Klaus Schwab's fantasy... probably a psy-op.

Possibly, although if Dienach (or whatever his real name was) actually existed and his experience was legitimate, he might have only been able to conceptually represent it via sci-fi ideas popular at the time, thus a heavily garbled, distorted and metaphorical account, which would show similarities to Schwabian-style utopias influenced by the same ideas. His "Nibelverch" idea of how humans evolve sounds to me like a natural phenomenon, which is a far cry from Schwab's transhumanism.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Possibly, although if Dienach (or whatever his real name was) actually existed and his experience was legitimate, he might have only been able to conceptually represent it via sci-fi ideas popular at the time, thus a heavily garbled, distorted and metaphorical account, which would show similarities to Schwabian-style utopias influenced by the same ideas. His "Nibelverch" idea of how humans evolve sounds to me like a natural phenomenon, which is a far cry from Schwab's transhumanism.

I haven't developed this idea, but over the past couple years I've wondered if a lot of the socialist utopias are just very distorted versions of a 4D STO social memory complex. But when it gets translated into 3D it turns into a dystopia, both because the socialists themselves were not always entirely mentally healthy, and because every attempt to implement it has been at the behest of psychopaths, resulting in pathocracy instead. Don't know, just throwing it out there!

 

[Ryan]

I haven't developed this idea, but over the past couple years I've wondered if a lot of the socialist utopias are just very distorted versions of a 4D STO social memory complex. But when it gets translated into 3D it turns into a dystopia, both because the socialists themselves were not always entirely mentally healthy, and because every attempt to implement it has been at the behest of psychopaths, resulting in pathocracy instead. Don't know, just throwing it out there!

This makes a lot of sense, and I think might even be probable. We could also consider a 4D STS social memory complex a distorted version of a 4D STO one, because STS seems to just mirror everything creative except in one crucial, qualitative way. This is probably why the higher level STS Nordics choose to look like the STO Nordics - on some level they 'know' the STO archetype is optimal, yet they haven't learned how to be STO:

A: [..] This also explains why [the Drachmonoid] race is dying, because they have not been able to learn for themselves how to remove themselves from this particular form of expression to that of service to others. And, since they have such, as you would measure it, a long period of time, remained at this level and, in fact, become firmly entrenched in it, and, in fact, have increased themselves in it, this is why they are dying [..]

It seems that no matter how high up the STS ladder a being goes, entropy always has the final say, unless they learn to become STO.

 

[axj]

The reincarnation aspect made me wonder if perhaps Andreas Northam was actually Dienach's future self, and with both selves suffering a neurological condition, it created a rare sort of "psychic alignment" that allowed Northam's "past" consciousness to inhabit his future body while his future body recovered? Then once both bodies had sufficiently recovered, psychic regulation was restored, and Dienach "fell asleep" and woke up in his usual body, presumably as Northam regained consciousness in the future?

Is the above the assessment that was confirmed in the July 29, 2023 session? Here is the relevant part:

(Ryan) Is the story about Paul Dienach time travelling in a coma, discussed on the Forum, accurate in a general way?

A: Yes

Q: (Ryan) If so, was my assessment of what happened close to what actually happened?

A: Yes

I skimmed through that book yesterday and it reminded me somewhat of people who do out-of-body experiences and go to the far future in their astral body. For example, there is someone who has been doing astral travel for over 50 years since his childhood (Rick from "Astral Club") and he also had an experience of living years in the far future in 15,000 AD while only maybe an hour or two passed for his physical body in the present time.

He mentions that in his experience, the further out into the future he astral traveled, the more time he could spend there. And the opposite is true for astral travel into the far past where he can spend only increasingly short amounts of time the further back he travels.

Considering that "the future is open" and not set in stone, the big question regarding Dienach's experience as well as those "travel to the future" astral experiences is: Do these potential futures actually exist the same way that our present world exists? If there is only the "eternal now", then both the past and the future could theoretically exist in the eternal now as well.

But if all the possible futures exist the same way as our present does, then there would be an incredibly large (possibly infinite) number of them, akin to the many worlds interpretation that all the things that are possible actually exist. I am not sure if the C's were asked about this topic, but my impression has been that this interpretation is not really accurate.

A possible alternative would be that there is only one ever-changing 'future timeline' which changes according to free will decisions in the present. But this also seems unlikely since people like Dienach and astral travelers stay in just one possible future for long periods of time. So there must be some "substance" to all these possible futures, as in: they must exist somehow.

So what is the nature of all these different probable futures? Do all of them exist just like our present or are we dealing with something else?

 

[Wandering Star]

Is the above the assessment that was confirmed in the July 29, 2023 session? Here is the relevant part:


I skimmed through that book yesterday and it reminded me somewhat of people who do out-of-body experiences and go to the far future in their astral body. For example, there is someone who has been doing astral travel for over 50 years since his childhood (Rick from "Astral Club") and he also had an experience of living years in the far future in 15,000 AD while only maybe an hour or two passed for his physical body in the present time.

He mentions that in his experience, the further out into the future he astral traveled, the more time he could spend there. And the opposite is true for astral travel into the far past where he can spend only increasingly short amounts of time the further back he travels.

Considering that "the future is open" and not set in stone, the big question regarding Dienach's experience as well as those "travel to the future" astral experiences is: Do these potential futures actually exist the same way that our present world exists? If there is only the "eternal now", then both the past and the future could theoretically exist in the eternal now as well.

But if all the possible futures exist the same way as our present does, then there would be an incredibly large (possibly infinite) number of them, akin to the many worlds interpretation that all the things that are possible actually exist. I am not sure if the C's were asked about this topic, but my impression has been that this interpretation is not really accurate.

A possible alternative would be that there is only one ever-changing 'future timeline' which changes according to free will decisions in the present. But this also seems unlikely since people like Dienach and astral travelers stay in just one possible future for long periods of time. So there must be some "substance" to all these possible futures, as in: they must exist somehow.

So what is the nature of all these different probable futures? Do all of them exist just like our present or are we dealing with something else?

I believe that he connected as has been said with a version of himself from the future.

Which is not to say that this is necessarily our timeline, the one that is unfolding moment by moment with us here.

In fact, Dienach will likely have several versions of himself in several different futures.

It's a pretty nice future, but for some reason I don't feel that this future matches either in chronology or in the process that part of the population of this planet may experience in the future.

I am missing something, perhaps that it still seems very third density, although the process of change is a thousand years, so on the other hand it is something like what Dienach described.

In any case, for whatever reason, I feel something is missing from this story.

 

[lilies]

Where are the evil Lizards occupying this space sector from this account? That future history.. it should contain the outcome! Where is the outcome of the impending invasion of Earth? And the inevitable deleterious consequences entirely missing from Dienach's historical "rememberings in the future"?

Exactly!

These missing items were clues!

This sounds very much like a 5th Density Subjective Experience, (dead dudes there) everyone imagining and literally creating their reality over there in 5thD as Owen describes it multiple times. There are entire tribes Owen describes, large groups of people wandering around confused in 5thD slowly shedding their old religions and trying to fend off or deal with the 5thD reality that gets hitting them there on the head.

Plus 'angel'-helpers are telling them regularly that their own mirage-imaginations are a veil they pulled over their very eyes.

Maybe Dienach really went into a coma and played around in an Imaginary Space, he believed ""the future"" - which it definitely wasn't, but was a nice BS Fable - very much resembling the accounts we read in Owens books.

But this also seems unlikely since people like Dienach and astral travelers stay in just one possible future for long periods of time. So there must be some "substance" to all these possible futures, as in: they must exist somehow.

Could have been a projected future of a Subjective Reality-Line (meaning entirely created, made-up) from Dienach's standpoint.

I believe that he connected as has been said with a version of himself from the future.

Which is not to say that this is necessarily our timeline, the one that is unfolding moment by moment with us here.

In fact, Dienach will likely have several versions of himself in several different futures.

Exactly. Just because the C's confirmed it doesn't mean it could even have a chance to become-materialize / turn out as our-real future for this world-community. You need to watch very closely - in LawyerSpeak / Cosmic-LegalSpeak-, what the C's are confirming.
They can see a myriad Future-Projection-Selves and how very real the futures to these Future Selves can become, when artificially generated in the mind of peeps like Dienach. For Dienach it definitely could have felt as a very real projection.

But here we are trying to cross over into the currently unknown science of the hidden Ethero-Mechanics of the Universe.

C's said multiple times: "Too complex for this medium".

Note the C's said you can access with your mind [to fetch from an external source] or you already have in your mind everything / All that exists.

So if a sensitive person like Dienach decides for a coma - on a soul level - and then he decides he wants to live in a fantastic UNREAL NON-OBJECTIVE but Fully SUBJECTIVE projected future.. Then under the 'Cosmic Legal Law' supervised by the Cosmic Court, Dienach is fully entitled to create-imagine UP a totally Fabulous, Subjective Future for himself. Part of it we could read here even from the excerpts. Thank You Courageous Inmate Sort!

So, essentially, I concur with Laura, this is PSYOPS BS.

Also I think the C's are fully, legally correct under the Law of Free Will, fully observed before the Cosmic Court.

Ryan is right as well in his assessment.

Dienach is fully right and correct as well. He decided to imagine up / project a subjective future for himself and sandbox-played inside of it. According to the Law of Free Will: he is fully entitled to go into coma and travel into any made-up future he wishes.

That doesn't mean his account really happened / will happen for us, or has any real chance in Hell to happen in our current geopolitical environment! With the Lizards sitting on every outcome, holding their trigger-Happy Time-Editing Fingers on the buttons of their Time-Bracketing-Machine.

In Dienach's account we all got the clues about missing important parts, which our world does have!

C's said you can create what-ever-the-heck reality you want in 4thD and live in it! And in 5thD similar scenes play out, described by Owen. Wishful thinking rules here in 3rdD.

Especially the large cities, the lot of dead dudes playing cosmopolitans there [Owens books] and the universities and the many courses you can take there in 5thD, described in Owens books. Remember Cayce's mention and the IIRC dead engineer "We have all the lab equipment we need here." ? That was in 5thD!

Remember C's said, Jesus was taken up by a UFO? That is entirely possible! Just study what was said in that session. Use Logic and pick apart what was actually stated.

Multiple meanings reveal themselves perfectly in concert with each other, if you begin to scrutinize the meanings of what was actually asked and what was actually answered, using our knowledge. No contradictions!

 

[sid]

I remember watching this on Youtube not too long ago and although quite interesting, it fails to address/explain the Lizzie problem. How did Earth's humans overcome or escape the 4D STS control? As if the latter are simply going to shut shop and fly over to the next planet/system in their crosshairs. Also, not much mentioned about the real facts around our historical figures and natural disaster events. One would safely assume that such information is easily accessible at 4D via remote viewing or retrievable from the Information field and then easily documented for quick dissemination to the opportunistic future travelers.

Its easy enough to tell if the information is a PsyOp when there is a lack of mention of Earth changes/aliens and/or if the aliens are mentioned then it's something that happens in not too distant future for humanity's benefit.

 

[axj]

They can see a myriad Future-Projection-Selves and how very real the futures to these Future Selves can become, when artificially generated in the mind of peeps like Dienach. For Dienach it definitely could have felt as a very real projection.

That would be a neat way to explain such "travel to the future" experiences, but I highly doubt that a future self can inhabit an environment that is generated as a projection of a current day person.

But here we are trying to cross over into the currently unknown science of the hidden Ethero-Mechanics of the Universe.

Indeed.

How did Earth's humans overcome or escape the 4D STS control?

That's a good point. One possible explanation is that the 4D STS never showed themselves to the public at large and humanity evolved to STO with the help of those 400 'enlightened' people working together. Then they were contacted by the STO 'aliens'.

Though there is indeed no mention of Earth changes or comets, despite humanity continuing down the STS path for hundreds of years since the 20th century, including wars that wipe out whole racial groups. What I find interesting in this regard is that in 1922 nuclear weapons were not even theorized yet, as far as I know.

 

[Ryan]

Considering that "the future is open" and not set in stone, the big question regarding Dienach's experience as well as those "travel to the future" astral experiences is: Do these potential futures actually exist the same way that our present world exists? If there is only the "eternal now", then both the past and the future could theoretically exist in the eternal now as well.

But if all the possible futures exist the same way as our present does, then there would be an incredibly large (possibly infinite) number of them, akin to the many worlds interpretation that all the things that are possible actually exist. I am not sure if the C's were asked about this topic, but my impression has been that this interpretation is not really accurate.

A possible alternative would be that there is only one ever-changing 'future timeline' which changes according to free will decisions in the present.

This is similar to how I see things at the moment. The future is open, because the past and the present are open. The future exists in the same way our present world exists; in fact, it may be even more "real" than our present world. Everything is connected; a single particle cannot be changed without affecting the past, future and present of the entire Universe.

In this sense, I think the many worlds interpretation is 'sort of' correct; all possibilities exist in potential/thought (the various combinations of the "Names of God" as the Sufis might say) in the imaginal/spiritual realms. The manifest world accommodates as many of these possibilities 'as possible' simultaneously. Possible manifestations sometimes contradict one another; in these cases there is 'competition' between thought centres as to which possibility is most likely to manifest. These situations can result in what the C's described as "eclipsing realities", and which Laura wrote about in detail in High Strangeness. The reconciled result is one 'manifest timeline' that accommodates all possibilities "variably and selectively", with the variation and selection likely resulting from the confluence and consensus of free will at multiple levels of reality, the higher having priority.

Thus, our free will at this level is most effectively employed aligning with the free will of the Thought Centre that generates possibilities that respect and enhance free will ie. the Thought Centre of Being, and colinear beings who also share this goal, or so I think.

 

[OutSky]

Chronicles from the Future — 1 of 3​

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July 29th 2023 Session

(Ryan) Is the story about Paul Dienach time travelling in a coma, discussed on the Forum, accurate in a general way?
A: Yes

Q: (Ryan) If so, was my assessment of what happened close to what actually happened?
A: Yes​

At some point, this triad, which I wrote while reading Dienach’s account and oblivious to the contents of this thread, was at last ready to be published. Well, this thread has notable comments enough in my opinion for a correct assessment of Dienach’s story. Should be posted this triad? Indeed sometimes I left contemplative posts on a varied topics unpublished for one reason or another. Then not sure but here it is, maybe it can serve others anyway?​

Where are the evil Lizards occupying this space sector from this account? That future history.. it should contain the outcome! Where is the outcome of the impending invasion of Earth? And the inevitable deleterious consequences entirely missing from Dienach's historical "rememberings in the future"?
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This sounds very much like a 5th Density Subjective Experience, (dead dudes there) everyone imagining and literally creating their reality over there in 5thD as Owen describes it multiple times. There are entire tribes Owen describes, large groups of people wandering around confused in 5thD slowly shedding their old religions and trying to fend off or deal with the 5thD reality that gets hitting them there on the head.
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In Dienach's account we all got the clues about missing important parts, which our world does have!

C's said you can create what-ever-the-heck reality you want in 4thD and live in it! And in 5thD similar scenes play out, described by Owen. Wishful thinking rules here in 3rdD.
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And the assessment ratified by the C’s:

……………………..The reincarnation aspect made me wonder if perhaps Andreas Northam was actually Dienach's future self, and with both selves suffering a neurological condition, it created a rare sort of "psychic alignment" that allowed Northam's "past" consciousness to inhabit his future body while his future body recovered? Then once both bodies had sufficiently recovered, psychic regulation was restored, and Dienach "fell asleep" and woke up in his usual body, presumably as Northam regained consciousness in the future?

From the description, it sounds like Northam inhabited a 4D STO future, which Dienach might have "translated" into 3D as best he could, so some or many of the details, especially the timing, might be incorrect or out of context, but the "Nibelvirch" does quite sound like a symbolic representation of the Wave!

And if this is the case, you'd have to high five your past self for connecting you up with your soul mate while you were laid out in a coma!

As quoted above, these indeed liken to some notes seen in this ensuing triad. Yet, still some particulars can be found next that may offer some other vistas, or perhaps a larger panorama of Dienach experience. Very well, let’s see the original notes written few days ago.

As an introductory comment, since I first read on this topic by means of the Session above, at once I made a note for a future deeper research. Then came up exhausting things of the life interrupting most of this Work until appearing a little window at some weeks later in which this topic was then that that first came to my mind ...making so many others, very appealing, be postponed. Indeed, meanwhile the ordeal, I kind of accepted the C's advice: "Get some rest". Anyway, by then I asked, where is the sources on that topic? In the following day some of them "magically" appeared on my desk (saving details here). Funny that I got more or less used to events like that. Anyway, by then I decided to thank the granted universe's gentleness with a triad —which incidentally all the emphases and notes between parentheses are mine— thus dedicated to those who have not opportunity to search that material.

Now if one intends to read the book, maybe would be better to save these 3 sequential posts to a later occasion since they bring up many small pieces of the book. Another thing to say on that last book's edition, is that there may be missing key elements which were ignored and clipped off maybe because the editor didn't recognize them by his lack of initiation. Thus, if available would be preferable to read the earlier edition, Valley of the Roses. Okay, duly warned so, let's see.
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Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

"Once I managed to find my bearings, ......facing the opposite mountain slopes, the companions of my childhood heart; at least they hadn’t changed in the slightest."​

In that claimed alternate future, the European landscape is the same after 2000 years from now. Though most names of places became different, and despite apocalyptic destruction and a new dark age lasting 1400 years in Europe due to a war between 2 giants (West x East?) starting from 1914 AD. So possible, but unlikely in this reality since earth crust is constantly changing, especially now at the current realm border crossing.​

6 February 2016 Session

A: We once mentioned worldwide simultaneous eruptions. Not just that, but also the cyclic heating within the Earth and release of gases that propel continental drift. When the present period of change terminates, much of your world will be unrecognizable.​

They, in that alternate future, speak on the crucifixion of Jesus, as something historical. Well, we know via the C's, this only occurred maybe if considered in symbolic terms of other events, not literally per se.​

September 30, 1994 Session

Q: (L) Was Jesus crucified?
A: No.

Q: (L) Was somebody crucified?
A: Too vague.

Q: (L) Was somebody crucified on a cross and represented to be Jesus?
A: No.​

They speak of production of global goods for feeding, however the meals are little mentioned though hinted as plenty available for consummation.​

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

In the place where my house should have been, ...They had given way to countless pasture lands with thousands of animals, all part of the collective of the Partners."​

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January 10, 1995 Session

Q: (T) So, when we are on the 4th density, we are still in the physical, and we will still be consuming, will we then be consuming that energy from 3rd density, the orgasmic energy, or something like that?
A: Some.

Q: (D) Even if we are STO?
A: Not if completely STO.

October 23, 1994 Session
Q: (L) When the earth becomes 4th density will we still eat?
A: Differently.

Q: (L) Will we still reproduce?
A: Differently.

Q: (L) Will people still have sexual relations?
A: Wait and see for yourself. Absorb nutrients through the skin.

December 19, 1998 Session
Q: Does biology exist at 4th density?
A: Yes.​

The "Partners" are told executives of the demographic services, who concede "permissions." They sometimes are hinted as part of the youth who once assume such "special tasks". The Partners also hold the "archives" —of everything— in major centres.​

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

"I was thinking that if I managed to learn how exactly they achieved abundance in consumer goods and means of transport, ...The Valley of the Roses itself gives directions to the glothners ^(facilities) so that there is abundance and variety of consumer goods in order for the Cives ^(people) to have the privilege of choice, but only for the standard goods." "...the populations of the production centres in the neighbouring Ragrilia, in southern France, was a lot bigger ^{(than other cities)}. “But those are production centres”​

There is a small class called Tilteys, part of the sage Ilectors, said of as a "mid-ranking official in their spiritual hierarchy" who has privileges such as the right to personalised orders, as well the right for owning unique objects —artwork or whatever— that the rest of the population cannot have. The Tilteys even dress themselves different from the common people. The common population, only work 2 years of their life then wearing green work-suits, while the rest of their lives is spent most in some kind of endless holiday with events like dances, musical shows, tours to hundreds of resorts with thousands of people, etc. Yet some, when and as they wish, choose to dedicate to some specialized work of their interest, usually "sciences of the spirit" connected mainly with feelings and emotions. They advocate that their society only is feasible because they have faith in "eternal values" —such as the distinction between good and evil within the "Great Reality"— beyond the life on earth, otherwise their material wealth would bring internal unbalance and thus harm to the people, they say.

No evident indication of their life-span, but some pieces hint as same as today, which so sounds odd or nearly conflicting with their high advances in science. Yet that may be because their society firmly believes that the biological decay of the body does not matter, rather the consciousness is important. Well... is not the body the temple of the soul? The whole Earth is one single place —that is called country rather than planet— and there are one "universal commonwealth" ruling all —created circa 4 centuries after now and called “Global State of Law and Order,” indeed regarded a "new world order" but perceived as good by them— one language, one single ethnicity though the rarefied individuals similar to ancient races —such as the black Africans. This "black absence" is something not well clarified, and as to the Asian race, it is blamed as one of the main actors promoting destruction though all races have participation on one level or other. However the psychopathic leaders are the main reason for the historical carnage of mankind, while the common people is thought most good at heart and so manipulated by the leaders. Still, with that said, it seems to be some kind of covered manipulation promoted by the "New Order."​

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

"…...sometimes, economic and political power fell into the hands of miserable beings and that’s how the wars broke out. Wars didn’t come naturally. They were artificially created by their bad and unworthy leaders along with the weapon manufacturers, mainly Asian,” he claimed. “They pushed peoples towards hatred and mutual extermination." "Many a time I wondered if what Lain said to the children was objective and fair. Listening to him you’d think that the yellow and black races, which never found vindication in history and which are almost absent nowadays, were solely to blame for everything.​

Their population is held stable; it is necessary permission for having children, so they can reproduce, and tells Dienach, they make sex. How then is the food constantly produced for the millions of people, which according to his descriptions even hint to billions? Maybe automation? Indeed they allege a large production of electronic devices supporting their existence. Here is the "Norfor city" description:​

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

…....this densely populated area that hosts 28 million people, 23 of whom are permanent residents, and spanning the city a mesh of bridges, pitch black with all the people on it. And high up above, at an altitude of about 300 kilometers, I could scarcely see the island-observatories, floating in the air, almost hidden behind the countless linsens ^(fly-cars) that were incessantly coming and going. ...deep inside the earth, there also existed another gigantic, illuminated city, similar to this one, full of life and awash with a soothing, pale green light that greatly soothes the eyes and soul. .....in Norfor is the massive districts-cities that, fringed with vast green spaces, succeed one another. Each of them is bigger than the Rome or Venice of our time. ...enormous architectural constructions that surpass human imagination. College campuses surrounded by gardens, theatres, museums, libraries, and thousands of, unknown to me, institutes stretching for mile upon mile.
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Now, as far as agriculture is concerned, they have returned to harvesting crops, which now no longer grow periodically, but do not depend on the weather any more. During that terrible period of overpopulation, people had abandoned their land and their flocks and had sought the solution of the global nutrition crisis in laboratories. People of today do the opposite: they go back to the old ways, not out of necessity, but out of nostalgia, improving, of course, the previous methods and procedures by employing their perfect technological advancements. Thanks to this shift in lifestyle, there are again meadows and grasslands in the picture; thanks to the partners of the Lansbee (rural areas) and, mainly, thanks to the flocks. You can’t even imagine the incredible technical training today’s shepherds and farmers have. The combination of diligence and attention to the monitoring and control of the “technical instruments”- which now have their own, individual kind of memory and judgment, similar to the human mind, is their recipe for their success.​

To end this post it’s curious to note the gap in Dienach’s report —except for one instance before already mentioned— of underground cities and tunnels, though he mentions even “space cities”. Such absence of inner landscape seems very unlikely regarding that it represents a huge part of earth, even larger than its surface if we recall that there are layers (i.e. rooms) over layers under the earth. By the way, Ra —Law of One— states that at this time the whole subterranean earth is 4D, thus no more exists a 3D inner earth. So, is not that the often dazzled Dienach has not seen interior places, but perhaps he just did not realize where he was sometimes. Could, for example, the Rosernes Dal —their capital city— be one of those inner places?​

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

…………… approaching the Valley ^{(Roses’ Dale)}. …………………….

The sky here is completely free of those dense, dark flocks of enormous flying vehicles and the thousands of platforms and terraces ….. here are scattered among parks and flower-gardens instead of the giant airports of northern regions.

While the hazy sun was slowly setting, Stefan, who up to that point had been calm as always, suddenly grabbed my arm to show me a large river that had popped out from the West in the far in the background. “Look! Look!” he cried and simultaneously Silvia and Hilda started screaming in excitement “It’s Silea! Silea!”

I turned and clearly saw a very wide strip of water even from this far away. Had these shrewd people then changed the entire continental map? No river of this size had ever existed in these latitudes in my time! But Stefan told me that the Silea did not only belong to southern Europe and that it ended here after a long meandering, starting from the Mont Blanc in Savoy.
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There are no stars in the sky ^{(of the Valley of Roses)}and this faint, diffused, cool light, that doesn’t seem to stem from anywhere in particular, gives you the illusion of daylight. I think I’ve said it before, but this artificial light of the current times looks like the aurora borealis. …….Each and every one of the semi-circular lines on the horizon was a wonderful, floodlit temple of art, a monument to the spiritual history of the last centuries.
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“What is the deeper meaning of the Valley? Is it true that nothing is ever really lost?” ……….The magical diffused light fades away and the light of the new day takes its place in the crystal clear blue sky. ………Here you’ll see no daners, no gigantic, hovering satellite islands, no underground cities…… I would accept a term like “the capital of dreams and beauty” to describe it, but it certainly doesn’t feel like the centre of their current universal political and economic community.​

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Inner landscape —R. Shaver tales​

 

[OutSky]

Chronicles from the Future —2 of 3​

They state that the reality is multidimensional including in it the afterlife, and as to the longed "Great Reality," everyone has seen it with their own eyes.​

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

“there are many more worlds and dimensions of life that escape us, apart from the three-dimensional world in which we perceive something as real.”​

They claim access to direct knowledge —without need anymore of analyses, theories or assumptions ...like some type of Information Field or Akashic registers— but still ...they are trying to attain the inconceivable "Great Reality" unreachable to the limited human conception. They explain that that happens because their DNA is limited. Well actually they say their "antenna," since the protagonist at his time (c. 1919...) had no knowledge of such genetic elements. Even so meanwhile they acquired a new "DNA" called Oversyn that expanded their cognitive capabilities and changed the human species. Thus a new race came to be lasting 524 years till then. Perhaps that old "antenna limitation" is a result of the lizzies' manipulations? Perhaps this is where failed the subterraneous "new human race" engendered by the reptilians?​

October, 22 1994 Session

A: ………………They^{(STS 4D)} have been traveling back and forth through time as you know it, to set things up so that they can absorb a maximum amount of negative energy with the transference from third level to fourth level that this planet is going to experience, in the hopes that they can overtake you on the fourth level and thereby accomplish several things. ………Interestingly enough, though, all of this will fail.

Q: (L) How can you be so sure it will fail?
A: Because we see it. We are able to see all, not just what we want to see. Their failing is that they see only what they want to see. In other words, it’s the highest manifestation possible of that which you would refer to as wishful thinking. And, wishful thinking represented on the fourth level of density becomes reality for that level. You know how you wishfully think? Well, it isn’t quite reality for you because you are on the third level, but if you are on the fourth level and you were to perform the same function, it would indeed be your awareness of reality.​

Yet suddenly is stated that that people of “future” is not anymore making technological advances. Their tech progress has begun to stagnate. Or maybe enough of it was achieved?​

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

……..about a thousand years ago, there was unimaginable progress in science and its applications. They had acquired a civilisation so advanced that, when you saw its works of art, you wondered if they had been made by human hands! If that progress had continued uninterrupted, I cannot even imagine what today would have been like. But the so-called period of “suspension” intervened and it played such a key role in history that today it feels like their time is only a couple of hundred years more technologically advanced than ours. Their inner culture, however, is thousands of years ahead thanks to the experiment of the Aidersen Institute and the Valley of the Roses.​

They count years, —of 365 days and leap years— however claim eternal present as the true time that incorporates present, past and future existing simultaneously.​

November 4, 1995 Session

A: 4th density frees one from the illusion of “time” as you WILL to perceive it.

October 16, 1994 Session
Q: (L) Are there any exercises we can use to help our bodies transform into fourth density?
A: Not necessary. It is the soul that matters.
………………………………
Q: (L) ........will it be that the plane has a different orbit and that a year will be different?
A: No.

Q: (L) Will the days be different as to length of time light and dark as they are now?
A: Not the point. Planet will be 4th density as well.

Q: (L) But will the days and nights be different and will the orbit be different? Will the axial angle be changed?
A: You are thinking in terms of the 3rd level density. The rules will be so totally different that physical inspired comparisons are moot.​

They claim true history as that that involves the spiritual deeds since records of historical events —such as wars, etc. — before their current civilization are just a constant repetition of the actions and human misery —something like that. However they claim their successful civilization as the product of past eras, in particular the 19th century AD meant a spiritual renascence to them, however the 20th century and many later ones were of darkness and stagnation. Arts such as poetry, painting and specially music are highly estimated because they elevate their spirits. "Ancient" music such as Bach, Beethoven, Mozart and Wagner —wanderers on a primitive earth, they say— are still appreciated. So they perform and it may look like to a maximum extent, kindness, frankness, naivety, childishness, collaboration, and trust into each other naturally govern their society like if all of the same family. Life to then is a constant joyful travel, e.g. a simple exchange of conversation with a strange is motive to great joy. It could be told that I identify myself with all that, brings in my soul a nostalgia of something that much re-emerges and at the same time is re-buried day by day. Nevertheless not so often I succeed to practice that latter.

No words and no sight of animals of the wild, not even insects, except by some mentions of birds. As well few words are told, if anything, of mythology —which is the true history that remains facing our current corrupted history. It is part of their “dead religions;” so, it appears unnecessary for them. Besides, our nowadays is what they there call "pre-history." They admittedly don't know the "ancient" past, but in their theaters show "realistic" presentations in the form of "virtual-reality" of what they think that could be.
​

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

If you talk to them about resting, they’ll laugh at you! You see them feel like that and you can’t help but think: haven’t they learnt yet? Haven’t they realised the falsity of the world yet? Do they still live in a pink little bubble? Haven’t the years that have passed opened their eyes? Constant eagerness and excitement to live and travel, hopes and childhood dreams as if they’re still fifteen years old. And yet, yes; their enthusiasm is permanent and lasting! Age for them doesn’t matter. The anticipation of the end does not cause them bitterness or sorrow.​

According to Dienach, they completely lost any abilities for defense of any eventual hostile attack. If so, they would be extinct. They are aware of intelligent life in other parts of the universe, however they considerer their neighbors of same benevolent orientation, so to say, like them. Yet, they see the evil and good of past as tools for human development, though not one word is plainly said on the manipulation of mankind by STS 4D beings. Nevertheless such could be included in that what they long for, i.e. the "Great Reality," as well as, they lecture hints on high negative creatures:​

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

"....about megalomania and the destructive tendencies of many of the “wild beasts of history”, as he called them, he said, “The biggest culprit for the corresponding crimes against humanity, bigger than even the international thugs of the beast of the Apocalypse ^{(who they call 666)} ....was the living environment of those dark times. For the villains alone couldn’t have committed such crimes if life and society had had the foresight to be structured differently.​

Their "Great Reality," they say, is something beyond the human comprehension and senses, and which seems like a rustic knowledge, they have, nearest similar to the other densities on 4D, 6D, 7D, also a firm faith in after-life and reincarnations.​

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

...the greatest realities are the ones we’re unaware of. Our eyes cannot see them and our intellect cannot conceive them. There are no words familiar to human reason to describe their divine substance. The awareness of our existence might have been given to us as a gift, but, for as long as we stay simply human beings, its substance and structure will remain transcendent and beyond comprehension to us."
……………..

...people realise that the distinction between the physical universe and the spiritual world is completely subjective and human-generated. There are no material and spiritual worlds; there are only genera of living beings, organic, rational, biological species, others with stronger antennas ^(DNA) and others with weaker cognitive abilities.​

In short, the story seems like the environment of a Dream-reality with 3D reminiscences but into a 4D, 5D mixed realm. See, they, those people of future, have births, kids, ageing and deaths of individuals. So, if it is a dream, when "dream-death" comes, do some "dead" move to another dream?

Moreover they look like within the final millenary steps from STS to STO. They tell on their state of being, as well as, process of "enlightenment":​

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

…...people so impulsively pursued the worldly forms of the Samith;^{(Great Reality)} in the finite environment people lived, they dreamed of the infinite...
……………….

“Every person is a whole world. Do not touch it. Do not interfere with it. First of all, you can’t, and second of all, you have no right to! The esoteric person is independent of the physical aspect of the individual, completely irrelevant to their material or biological existence. They are made up of a vast moral universe of dreams, ideals, moving life stories of tenderness and affection, love, humanism and sacred human suffering. And no Napoleon can ever destroy that.”​

Okay, then also we could remember that the current earth-reality is crossing the door of a transition to 4th density thus splitting between a 4D earth and a new cycle re-starting with a 3D paleo-earth. So, could those people of the "future" be 4D beings into a "low octave", thinking still like 3D humans? And could that 4D people be within an induced dream-reality? So a type of 4D-5D dream-reality? Could that be a way like lizzies could dominate 4D newbies? Too much speculation? Well... Thus, based on this "feelings" perhaps should still be mentioned that the story seems to refer to the future as to the past, i.e. a simultaneous blending of both is meant here. That is, in spite of all their advanced technology, well-being, and even spiritual, their society struggles to achieve a freedom that appears to be the "great reality," or in their terms, Samith. They seem free from misery and so, pretty much happy, though somehow still imprisoned. See, they still pursue the "great freedom", but also from their discourses seem to hint something within them like a blindness stirred up by their first "inspired" leaders who aware or not, subtly instantiated themselves into a designed DNA blockage. But, if so, likely that soon one day will at last fall.​

November 16, 1994 Session

A: You are 3rd level they ^(lizzies) are 4th level.

Q: (L) Why are they planning to now?
A: They want to rule you in 4th density.

July 11, 1998 Session
A: HAARP is for mind control. It is hoped it can be successful in 4th density too!

September 25, 1999 Session
A: Well, it is important not to worry over that which is not changeable, and which is trivial in the really big picture. If the surface 3rd density realm of your locator is soon to be rent asunder, why does it matter to you, or more to the point, why does it frighten you so? You are supposed to be moving beyond this 3rd density STS thinking.

February 22, 1997 Session
A: We told you that “HAARP” was being designated for capturing and modulating electromagnetic fields for the purpose of total control of brainwave patterns in order to establish a system of complete “order on the surface of the planet” in either 3rd or 4th density.

July 25, 1998 Session
A: ..........And we have also warned that after conversion of Earth humans to 4th density, the Orion 4th density and their allies hope to control you “there.” Now put this all together and what have you? At least you should by now know that it is the soul that matters, not the body.

February 25th 2023 Session
Q: (Adobe) Is it possible for a 3D STO candidate^{(so, still sts)} to find themselves in 4D and be little aware of it or not aware of it at all?
A: Yes Yes Yes

16 July 2016 Session
A: Those who live in dreams give off the STS signature and allow anchoring of 4D negative energies.

January 11, 1997 Session
A: ……they ^(lizzies) are working on that false premise that they can seal realms into “4th” density and 3rd, 2nd, 1st STS for eternity.​

So, perhaps control of not only a 3D being but also even a unaware 4D being into the basic steps of the 4th density, let’s say like Alice in a 4D mirror “framed” like a 3D land. And together or apart EM manipulations (like Haarp), the 4D dream-reality embedded into obliviousness may derive from an inner wish of some minds:​

October, 22 1994 Session

A:...And, wishful thinking represented on the fourth level of density becomes reality for that level. You know how you wishfully think? Well, it isn’t quite reality for you because you are on the third level, but if you are on the fourth level and you were to perform the same function, it would indeed be your awareness of reality.

November 18, 1995 Session
A: Realms are compartmentalized at graduated levels, like everything else.​

Then we could also see how "Ra" explains the structure of densities in many levels of awareness:​

Ra, Law of One

Ra: .....The term density is a, what you would call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after 7 notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are 7 octaves or densities. Within each density there are 7 sub-densities. Within each sub-density, seven sub-sub-densities, and so on infinitely.

Q: Well, then if an entity is harvested into 4th density with a grade, let’s say, of fifty-one percent for others, forty-nine percent for self, what level of the 4th density would he go into? I’m assuming there are different levels of the 4th density.
Ra: .....This is correct. Each enters the sub-density which vibrates in accordance with the entity’s understanding.
...........................

Q: What were these?
Ra: .....One more; that is, the permeability of the densities so that there may be communication from density to density and from plane to plane or sub-density to sub-density.​

Okay. Now on the process regarding the transition to 4th density, we can for example see the next piece:​

Voices of the Confederation, D. Elkins & C. Rueckert ^{(Ra channeling group)}

Much energy will be released of a physical nature. This energy will create physical changes within your planet. There will be changes within your land masses and changes in your atmosphere, changes in all of the physical manifestations of your planet. This will be of a nature that will be considered to be cataclysmic.

...............This change will alert many of the people of your planet who are very lightly slumbering, and many of the ones who are slumbering relatively deeply. Many of these people will at this time be what is known in many of your religions as “saved.” It will save them, because they will get the violent awakening that is necessary to cause them to raise their vibrations that last amount that is necessary to get them off the fence, so to speak.

..............However, it is an unnecessary transition. In a normal transition there would be no energy release, since in a normal transition, the vibration of the planet would match closely enough and be in harmony with the new and higher vibration. This would result in no energy release, and the planet would continue in a relatively normal sense from a lower vibration to the higher. Your planet is an aberration in the evolution of the spirit of the people of the planet and of the planet. .......Those of the people who dwell upon this surface at this time, who are totally aware of the results of this change, and the reason for it, will not in any way be affected by this change. Those who are not aware of this, but who are aware of this in a spiritual sense, will be affected only emotionally, because they will not understand.​

And:​

4 April 2015 Session

(L) I think they said that after the Wave there would be a 1000 year period as 3D transition into 4D.
A: Yes

Q: (L) So in other words, in a sense that is kind of like a 1000 year process of the Wave. The creation of a totally new reality obviously, in cosmic terms, takes that strange process that doesn't exist called time to manifest. But obviously, they are now talking about the breaking down process, the chaos.
A: Yes. Now you begin to see what "time" really is: cosmic processes of almost infinite duration. But do not be complacent because some of these processes can be rather "quick" and devastating from your perspective.

September 9, 1995 Session
A: Then, one must wonder, if it is an ongoing process, how would it be possible, if it is not possible, for a being to be in both 3rd and 4th density at one time... Also, if you will recall from review material, you are currently living in the same environment as 2nd and 1st density level beings. Is this not true?​

Through the Looking-glass, 1872 John Tenniel ^{(L. Carroll story)}​

 

[OutSky]

Chronicles from the Future —3 of 3​

Now, if indeed a 4D world is over there, that could be corroborated by a 3D to 4D transition affair somehow recorded in their history. Well they had something resembling like that, the so called "Nibelvirche", a dramatic event —actually events— but not simultaneously occurring to all, which they regard like a type of illumination for whom not all physically survive it. For one poetical, but said real example there is a famous and fatal case of a 19 year-old girl:

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

Two gardeners ...said that ...girl ...dressed in a long white dress had stopped them and asked them the way to the sea and actually explained to them that she was heading to the seaside, bringing very good news to a young lad who had been waiting there for a response, patiently, for thousands of years… Further down, there was a bevy of workers who were on their way back from work at the break of dawn. To them she spoke normally and with reason. They offered her grapes and she accepted them. Three hours before noon, in the orange groves... she gave her bracelet as a gift to the security guard’s little daughter. She sat down in the workshop for a quarter of an hour and asked for some water. ...What drew her attention were the blooming chestnut trees, and she spoke about them to the guard’s wife. She drowned that same evening. She was found on a desolate part of the seashore at dawn. ...That was the end of this first “Saint of the Nojere,” the first beloved, immortal figure of the “New Era.” ^(Nojere)

…...The Nibelvirch had to come ...in order for the true quality, content and meaning of the other Birches to clearly show and shine!”.

In turn this above citation —to those who wanna go deeper— reminded me a passage from the 14th century Welsh manuscript, the Book of Taliesin, i.e. the “Battle of Godeu” (Kat Godeu).

Now should be told that in that “paradisiac future” notable opposition occurred against those cases of “enlightenment”. They were systematically despised and publically downgraded by respectful institutions somewhat similar to who the C’s mention like the “Keepers of the Sword.” Thus the antagonism lasted for some years or even decades from that initial memorable happening. However after 3 centuries the “light movement” prevailed and was firmly settled so against all the exertions of the “Keepers.”

There is another very interesting detail in that "Illumination" event. It occurred in a place that became the center of broadcast of the phenomenon, that was called the “Valley of the Roses.” Of course the enlightenment imbued extraordinary abilities such the "direct knowledge", but the most notable feature —to my perception— was that that "Valley" had been founded by 200 sages.

July 16th 2009 Session
A: Keep in mind that in order for the techno-spiritual techniques to work, the people of the "blood" must be purified and their chakras must be "connected". If this is done, there are even more important functions. For example: mental blocking of 4D STS attacks. Do you realize that 200 or so people assembled this way, and a block against the marauders could be put in place? Furthermore the wave is coming, the "dancers" could very well determine how it affects your planet and reality.

As to another possible instances pro a 4D/5D dream-reality, stand their trips where are not seen landscapes during the voyage; as well as, the unusual sights requiring a certain awareness or else they bring sensorial unpalatability:

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

In every place in this world, blessed by God and nature, the further you travel, the more things there are to see. Here the opposite happens: you might get stuck between four walls made of colourless metal, but if the trip is short, you can see the whole world parading before your eyes. However, if you are travelling a bit further, the only thing you’ll see is the place to which you are heading. In the meantime, you can spend your time walking around the facilities of the vehicle: the gardens that host rare flowers from around the world, the pools, the shot-put fields, the vast lounges and shops of the flying state, or you can just relax in your armchair, watching the latest news and current affairs on your Reigen-Swage or glancing at the young people dancing below the artificial light coming from the side, like a morning sunbeam that lengthens the shadows on the floor.
………………………………………….

I saw much beauty and majesty this morning; I saw it with my eyes, but not my heart… My soul was empty once again, helpless, incapable of reaching any new depths of perception, appreciation or understanding. I am aware of that emptiness inside me. …….any thing deeper than the fleeting external impressions of my everyday experiences, it’s not due to a lack of interest in asking and learning about all those great things, …..it’s because of this awareness of mine. You see, the essence, the soul of all these things is not just offered to anyone, to a stranger, an outsider, a temporary visitor like me. I’m lacking in preparation and knowledge of tradition. At least the tourists from my era knew something about the places they visited. I, on the other hand, know nothing. My vision functions perfectly, the desire exists, but fate had planned it so that everything would be superficial to me. I cannot digest all these things, I cannot make them my own; I try, but I fail every time… I know that what I see is the visible condensation of a long, profound reality, foreign and inaccessible to the uninitiated, the synthetic image of a beautiful life in which I am not entitled to take part.

January 11, 1995 Session
A: Distance is a 3rd density idea.

January 27, 1996 Session
A: ……..You should already know that to attempt apply 3rd density study and interpretations to 4th density events and realities is useless in the extreme....

June 29, 1996 Session
A: .........First: your prophets have always used 3rd density symbology to try to convey 4th density realities. You are attempting to gather 3rd density answers to explain 4th through 7th density principles. This is why you are getting frustrated, because it doesn’t “mesh.”

December 28, 1996 Session
Q: (V) Does 4th density earth exist?
A: Yes.

Q: (V) And there are human beings...
A: All exists always.

Q: (L) Where is the 4th density earth, aside from being in 4th density?
A: Another realm.

And peculiar Dienach’s comments:

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

They ^{(those from future)} believe in “living life as a dream”, and our lifestyle^{(from 20th century)} would most certainly spoil that dream." And, "...after the acquisition of Nibelvirch, dreams and ideals proved to be much more real and tangible than everything that the simple material reality of the natural world contained.
……………………

I feel like these people do not particularly care for reason and critical thinking and that they deliberately cross the line between reality and dream world...

Very well. To finish this triad, some words on a comment seen into another thread:

…………It’s an interesting book that, if accurate as the C’s seem indicate, may have implications for all those doing the Work. P.A. Dienach, the author seems to me be more than reporting an experience, he may be also denoting covered information. “Dienach,” by the way, is apparently a pen-name strategically used to hide and protect his Germanic identity after the World War One.

And what could be that hidden info if not intentional then maybe unconsciously brought via the subconscious of “Dienach”? Right, at least two things could be cited as recurrent symbols, or images, seen in his report. One is the rain so common in many places he goes to visit. And the other is the presence of windflowers all around places of that futuristic environment. Oh, yeah, Dienach also devotes some attention for describing the rhodendrons that ornament their roads:

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

An endless array of giant, artificial, white and pink rhododendrons cuts now the road in half. I heard Sylvia calling them with their, familiar to me, ancient name: “Albaspines”. It is obvious that people have played their part here as well, interfering with the metabolism and altering organic matter, in their own way. It looks like the small earthly God has once again worked wonders, making the rhododendrons stand still, greeting the passers-by!

I also want to note the only ugly thing I saw this morning. About half an hour before we reached the city, three rhododendrons in a row were trying to keep their old and parched branches a few meters away from a busy road and no one seemed to notice or even care. The only reason I was impressed by that gap in greenery and by the ugliness of the dead trees was because I know how much attention they pay nowadays to such details.

So, in passing, the word rhododendron derives from Greek, that is from rhodon 'rose' plus dendron 'tree'—keep this 3rd item in mind as it may be seen later on... Okay, back to those mentioned first, i.e. rain and windflower, both strongly belong to the Work, if should be said. Well, great and vast mythological, poetical, and metaphysical literatures speak on the “rain.” Then for sure our Cassiopaeans would not miss such as well,

January 2nd 1999 Session
Q: ……..I once asked about the Third Man Theme and that perhaps you meant that the imagery was that of the Triple Goddess relating to the Isle of Man... and you said ‘if viewed through sheets of rain.’ So, in this book that I am reading, it talks about the fact that the Celts of Gaul worshipped the Rain as the manifestation of the Goddess, and the Celts of Scotland worshipped the Sun... the male God. Does this relate in any way to this remark you made about sheets of rain?
A: In an offhand way.

Q: Anything further you can tell me in terms of a clue about ‘sheets of rain?’
A: Not for now, when you get there, you will find the chalice.

August 17th 2003 Session
Q: (A) So we can ask then about this weather breakthrough yesterday, is it a sign of a break through in our own situation?
A: One day there will be sheets of rain.

February 13 2011 Session
A: Electrical charges have many effects. By the way, that is the reason for some of the animal deaths: electrical discharges.
………………………………
Q: (Perceval) Is that electrical discharges from the sun, or...
A: Sheets of rain, or dust plus electricity. Snow too.

March 23rd 2013 Session
A: Just you wait! Real storms a'comin!
………………………………
A: And elsewhere.

Q: (L) That sounds ominous. (S) As in "sheets of rain"?
A: Yes

May 28th 2013 Session
(L)………. Is it all electrical phenomena, like even the jetstream and all that sort of thing?
A: Indeed, and the rain can conduct.

Q: (L) …….…That the cause of the sheets of rain could be a triple cometary body?
A: Close. Also consider plasma shapes including those that may appear "chalice like".
………………………………
Q: (L) You mean "new world coming", well a new world coming means that the old world has to go. That doesn't strike me as being entirely pleasant.
A: You have long been aware of the cataclysmic nature of cosmic transitions, why get nervous now that it is at the door?
………………………………
Q: (L) So, let me ask this: Considering this whole sheets of rain discussion – sheets of conductive dust or rain – is it possible that some of these fires could due to some kind of electrical conductivity and not necessarily a visible fireball that you'd see streaking through the sky?
A: Oh indeed.

16 July 2016 Session
Q: (L) Considering that sort of charge in the atmosphere kind of leads to the idea that we could be entering a period where some of those things described by the ancients like these giant plasma figures in the sky could begin occurring. Is that correct?
A: Yes. Holy Grail!

Q: (Pierre) The chalice shape of the Z pinch phenomenon.
A: Sheets of rain! Transiting realities?
………………………………
Q: (L) So in other words, those things you talked about many times before – time travel and interdimensional transport – where it took like mega or gigavolts of electricity to open portals or operate... the Philadelphia Experiment type things...
A: Yes, now you are tracking well!

25 March 2017 Session
Q: (Pierre) In 2005, it was reported what they call a "smile" on Venus. From the north pole to the south pole, there was this luminous arc. Scientists said it was gravity waves. It sounds like baloney to me. It looked like a plasma phenomenon. So what was this "smile"?
A: It was indeed a plasma phenomenon caused by approach of electrical wave from dynamic interaction with outer solar system body approach grounding the sun.

March 11, 1995 Session
Q: (L) And they have told us that this is a wave from 3rd to 4th density. Some of the waves, apparently, can move from STO to STS...
(T) Not the wave, the person passing through the wave. As this wave passes by, does the orientation of the wave depend upon the individual?
A: Compare to seawaves. Waves are a part of the fiber of all nature.

Till then have read half-book, and maybe not related to, nevertheless came up to me this "bridge dream,”​

I'm over a long and large bridge that connects 2 pieces of land. I'm heading to that that seems to look like an island where is some kind of resort, perhaps. My beloved accompanies the journey. From the bridge I can see nearing the isle, which does not inspire me much; indeed brings some discomfort at its sight. Almost stepping there I turn to my partner, "would not great leaping into those refreshing waters?"​

​

However the bridge goes to a high altitude over that waters which agitate the sea as if preparing it for a tempest, though the weather seems to remain clear. I figure that, as usual, my lover is reading my thoughts: How dangerous and possibly fatal would be jumping from so high and off that bridge? Very probable, it seems. Nice blue waters, how can one not long for them?​

In the following day after this dream, regarding how stranger than a dream-reality may be the 4th density itself, I recalled that which don Juan —Tales of Power, C. Castaneda— appears taking notes. He somewhat seems to compare the 3D awareness, told the tonal, to an inexperienced awareness beyond the world boundaries, labeled as the nagual.
​

Windflower (anemone)​

As to the windflowers, they owe their folkloric name —i.e. anemone— to the blowing wind thought to open the flowers. See, there is a deep mythology involving this flower. Being more specific, anemone is right linked to the Greek Adonis, who derived from the Sumerian Dumuzid, also called Tammuz. As to the word anemone, it comes from Greek Anemoi, i.e. the 4 winds of Greek mythology; or so the “Rose of the Winds”.

Ovid, Metamorphoses ^{(43 BC - AD 17 Roman poet)}
But your blood ^{(of Adonis)} shall be changed to a flower.
………………………………

With no longer than an hour's delay a flower sprang up of blood-red hue such as pomegranates bear which hide their seeds beneath the tenacious rind. But short-lived is their flower; for the winds from which it takes its name ^{(i.e. anemone, the "windflower")} shake off the flower so delicately clinging and doomed too easily to fall.

^{(transl. by T. Stanley)}
Lament for Adonis – The Idylls of Bion, Idyll I, c. 2nd BC

The Paphian goddess^{(i.e. Aphrodite, as Paphos, an ancient city of Cyprus, celebrated her rites in her temple)} sheds as many
tears as Adonis pours forth blood; and these all, on the ground,
become flowers; the blood begets a rose, and the tears the anemone.

***​

^{(transl. by J. Banks)}
Lament for Adonis – The Idylls of Bion, Idyll I, c. 2nd BC

Thus Cypris ^(Aphrodite)wailed; but dead Adonis lies;
For every gout^(drop) of blood that fell from him,
She drops a tear; sweet flowers each dew supplies
Roses his blood, her tears anemonies.​

***​

^{(transl. by Arthur S. Way)}
Lament for Adonis – The Idylls of Bion, Idyll I, c. 2nd BC

A tear from the Paphian shall flow for each blood-drop that failed
From the veins of Adonis. They turn to flowers, on the earth as they light.
Red roses for blood-drops burn, each tear is a windflower white.
I wail for Adonis' sake! The life of the lovely hath flown!
No more in the forest-brake, Cypris, thy lover bemoan.​

​

 

[lilies]

Apparently this thread was not a waste of energy..

I was only familiar with the sleeping sickness epidemic through Sandman. Didn't even realize it was a real thing.

Your instinct was good, I think, this topic was probably 'inspired toward us' by a group aligned with The Forces of Heaven. Then because the "Lizzies are aware of Prophetic Patternings" it got purposefully corrupted and mis-used by shady persons to waylay and mislead us. The goal as always was I think to:
- Corrupt any topic worthy of research so much it becomes such a dirty laundry that we throw it away, like the idiom: throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Thanks Laura for making abundant use of this saying!

Here is the main part of what I had collected.

Thank You as I intend to at least quote Dineach twice in the future. Actually what might have happened to him is probably as we pondered above.
Furthermore:
IMO 'the sleeping sickness epidemic' might be not only a 'karmic-synchronous REPLAY' of the many thousands of years old Holy Tradition of Sleeping In a Coma in a Cave.. remember Jesus' story? But it also teaches us, I think, the power of letting go of the body - which always taxes the Soul - in order to gain enlightenment about the Objective Reality of Spirit.

Anybody who goes through this, apparently comes out "of the cave" / 'out of coma' with many riches in hand - that ancient metaphor of Basket Full of Manna = spiritual truths to teach and - the persons apparently start to preach / reveal / herald / communicate / disperse knowledge.

Q: (L) But anyhow, does that idea make sense? (Ark) Well, theoretically it makes sense. But my question is suppose it is done. And it has probably been done by many people. What are the visible consequences?

A: Under the right circumstances, with knowledge, awareness and, most important of all, BEING (letters came very slowly in contrast to the rest of the message, which was fast), there can be openings of portals for many purposes. Remember the Maruts and their baskets? How about a little "travel" if needed for a positive purpose?

Jesus came out of the cave, and what happened to Dienach is very similar in Work taste to how other members and me pondered in this forum that Dienach probably went to 5thD for an Amazing Adventure. 5thD is not bound by time. So he might have met Dead Dudes from A future. Knowledge dispersed = given to him was probably limited according to the Law of Free Will.

Several forum members here, I think, correctly equated the Enlightenment in Dienach's story with the arrival of the Wave.

I don't think I'm alone, who did Eiriu Eolas and then still under its effect == Being IN THE FLOW meditated having experienced Euphoria of Spirit. Synonyms given by MW: ecstasy, joy, elation, happiness, heaven, exhilaration, delight.

In positive psychology, a flow state, also known colloquially as being in the zone, is the mental state in which a person performing some activity is fully immersed in a feeling of energized focus, full involvement, and enjoyment in the process of the activity.

Years ago, when the exercise-activity-energy of EE freshly hit us, we reported seeing complex spinning-moving-changing golden geometrical symbols.

This state, that Eiriu Eolas gives us, can be further explored by meditation. I'm convinced this is [at least the beginning stages of] The Spiritual Technology that allegedly first was offered to Eisenhower's team by the alien Nordic Ambassadors from an STO planet.

Last time I did this, after EE, in the [near] correct purified state of EE - my alignment configured to at least pointing toward STO-state - I sat down and began meditating at approximately 11:53am. I was immersed fully and effortlessly, without loss of patience in the zone and came out of meditation and I looked at the clock: it was ~13:12pm. I spent more than an hour in full effortless meditation, in the EE elevated state of Spiritual Euphoria completely without being aware of the passing of Linear Time.

This state I could identify as remotely resembling an orgasm, a shadow of that emotion. Because we are only used to the sensation of orgasm and not of near completely missing Esctatic Spiritual Communion Meditation with the [probable target] Holy Awareness in All Creation.
All I could find was:
Euphoria of Spirit. Synonyms given by MW I think still contain the Ancient Information: ecstasy, joy, elation, happiness, heaven, exhilaration, delight.
From when people of Earth were living in The Garden of Eden and were able to call down baskets of manna from Heaven so they didn't go hungry!

A: CAT.
Q: Next letter?
A: How about post cat a clysmic world.
Q: Well, Ark doesn't have that metablolism... I don't want to
be in a post-cataclysmic world without him...
A: Then give him the food.

What food??

Q: What food?
A: What food you have, if... confronted with the situation.
Q: Are you saying that we are gonna be hanging out on a post
cataclysmic planet?
A: That is always a possibility.}

What food??

Q: (L) Does it have something to do with being able to manifest or feed people energy literally?
A: Yes
Q: (S) So instead of visiting McDonalds, we'll go visit McLaura or something? (laughter)
A: Stop thinking third density.
Q: (Joe) Maybe it's like you'll be able to absorb nutrients from the environment and then somehow energetically give them to others.
A: Think of the Maruts and their baskets from "heaven".

Don't you think, when the Spear Armed Maruts were dancing - in the manner of the Irish Dances, tell me they weren't feeling mass-ecstasy? Was it of the Spirit??
Does the Joy of the Spirit have the possibility to feed & energize you in 4thD??

Tell me if this doesn't make you elated:

From the notes of Courageous Inmate Sort:

We saw it and that explains the, unknown to the older generations, feeling of immense happiness that has filled our hearts since then.

So if you would like to experience this "remote incoming announcement of that feeling" in the future, would you give a try to our exercise called Eiriu Eolas?

 

[Joe]

So what is the nature of all these different probable futures? Do all of them exist just like our present or are we dealing with something else?

I'd say they're like imaginary realms, that can seem as real as anywhere else, and can "last a while" assuming here is enough consciousness units that form a consensus to inhabit it and thereby sustain it, and assuming also that it serves a useful function to 'the universe', which might go hand in hand with the support it receives from consciousness units willing to live in it. At least, that's more or less what the Cs say about any reality.

They also said (back in 1995)

A: The entire sum total of all existence exists within each of you, and vice versa.

Was thinking about this concept recently and thought that it makes sense if all of reality is consciousness and consciousness disperses out from 7D in a fractal way, like replications of the original totality of 'union with the one' in 7D, are used to 'populate' all lower densities, but as these replications 'descend', they become 'cloaked' in increasingly dense matter and thereby their true nature is obscured.

 

[OutSky]

Chronicles from the Future, P.A. Dienach

If you talk to them about resting, they’ll laugh at you! You see them feel like that and you can’t help but think: haven’t they learnt yet? Haven’t they realised the falsity of the world yet? Do they still live in a pink little bubble? Haven’t the years that have passed opened their eyes? Constant eagerness and excitement to live and travel, hopes and childhood dreams as if they’re still fifteen years old. And yet, yes; their enthusiasm is permanent and lasting! Age for them doesn’t matter. The anticipation of the end does not cause them bitterness or sorrow.

According to Dienach, they completely lost any abilities for defense of any eventual hostile attack. If so, they would be extinct. They are aware of intelligent life in other parts of the universe, however they considerer their neighbors of same benevolent orientation, so to say, like them. Yet, they see the evil and good of past as tools for human development, though not one word is plainly said on the manipulation of mankind by STS 4D beings. Nevertheless such could be included in that what they long for, i.e. the "Great Reality," as well as, they lecture hints on high negative creatures:

Nevertheless, this quotation placed on the top still could benefice from an highlighting. That is, if we are to remember that history (i.e. cycles) repeats itself all the time ―as the Cassiopaeans have told us― then those living in the “future” of Dienach should know and be aware that evil is a feature of the universe ...like a balance, you know. Also that the STS agents work for keeping humanity in entropic confusion, thus checking on that human beings follow an agenda written eons ago by sts lords ...as we know. And then, when anyone out of the blue shows any true fact to mankind, they, those agents, claim such truth as a “corruption” inflicted on their sts wORK ―intended inverted uppercase letters.

See, that people of the future live their day by day in joy, very confident in their civilization, and seem sto orientated. However what they over there ―but at the same moment, supposedly, still living into this present and maybe reading these words ...and perhaps not necessarily part of this forum― are losing is the “ancient” memory that in an infinite universe there are predators who can appear unexpectedly. Indeed ―again reminding the C’s notices― the evilness, such as betrayal, always can appear. From where does it come? Could be speculated? Well, if not even from nearby, then maybe from another reality just to once more attack with the floyd void as told us our sister Glonfikla? Could one of the purposes of the timetravel of Dienach’s soul be this? That is, a caution to be always alert, even when living for millenniums within a “utopian” paradise?!!

Okay, if one have persevered to read the posts of this thread ―such as the triadic post where abounds key particulars, even though it still leaves out important elements seen in book― therefore will perceive some consensus that regards the future world of Dienach literally or like a “dream.” Yet also should be pointed out the factual reality of the narration since our C’s stated that the story is accurate. And thus we arrive to the next quotes:

December 19, 1998 Session

A: ...Are you not yet aware that absolutely everything, we repeat: everything is an illusion?!?

Morpho Butterfly, c. 1864 Martin J. Heade

Chuang Tzu ―3rd century BC
^{“On the equality of Things” ―2nd chapter}

Once Chuang Tzu dreamed he was a butterfly, a butterfly
flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing
as he pleased. He didn’t know he was Chuang Tzu.

Suddenly he woke up, and there he was, solid and
unmistakable Chuang Tzu. But he didn’t know if he were
Chuang Tzu who had dreamed he was a butterfly or a
butterfly dreaming he was Chuang Tzu. Between Chuang
Tzu and a butterfly, there must be some distinction! This
is called the Transformation of Things.