Philip Gardiner, Homosexuality and Alchemy Disinformation

[mopiet]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

Here is part 2 of my reaction to post:

Gurdjieff wrote:

"Fusion, inner unity, is obtained by means of 'friction,' by the struggle between 'yes' and 'no' in man. If a man lives without inner struggle, if everything happens in him without opposition, if he goes wherever he is drawn or wherever the wind blows, he will remain such as he is. But if a struggle begins in him, and particularly if there is a definite line in this struggle, then, gradually, permanent traits begin to form themselves, he begins to 'crystallize.'

What I don't like about Gudrjieff is that he keeps suggesting that one can not only influence alchemy, but ruin it too.
This is what the Paris 4 say in their Newsletter:

(Our gay man likes to point out though that it is not a human who saves, but the alchemist, so beautifully called 'the only living god'. The 'god within'. Our gay man feels like an 'object' in all this. He points out that he is of the opinion that he had no active part in the past 20 years of his Work of the Sun. It was all done by the 'inner alchemist' he says. It is the alchemist that saves, not the vessel, meaning our gay man.)

And Marriette points out:

There is nothing any of us can do that would change the metaphysical destination of our world in general, or of any human being in particular. It is very important to realize that the alchemical process is utterly autonomous.

Such people can become immortal. But what is the good of it?

We don't know that gay man of the Letters.

A man of this kind becomes an 'immortal thing,' although a certain amount of consciousness is sometimes preserved in him.

A certain amount of consciousness? The whole man is saved.

Then, Laura, you write:

It is clear that you have selected your path according to your inner lights. This forum is not about that path. It is about a different one that you cannot comprehend because the magnetics are not inside you that would enable you to see it.

Then close the thread.

So, that being said, you are invited to join a forum that will welcome your "fantastic information" and will lionize you as you so richly deserve.

The only fantastic 'information' in this discussion is you telling us that you transmuted this or that in some kitchen.

P.S.

I don't understand this. Why should I not be allowed to share fantastic information in baked noodles?
Is baked noodles for whackos and their delusions, or not?

The world is full of whackos and nearly all of them are in cyberspace cruising for forums to invade and dominate with their delusions. Instead of deleting them, we will move such threads here for your entertainment.

 

[mopiet]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

For people on the downward path, development means nothing more than ensuring physical survival while finding ways to feel good about themselves.

The alchemist is not ensuring anything. He is invited.

(Our gay man [from the Letters/mopiet] likes to point out though that it is not a human who saves, but the alchemist, so beautifully called 'the only living god'. The 'god within'. Our gay man feels like an 'object' in all this. He points out that he is of the opinion that he had no active part in the past 20 years of his Work of the Sun. It was all done by the 'inner alchemist' he says. It is the alchemist that saves, not the vessel, meaning our gay man.)

As John Raven pointed out:

The Great Work of Alchemy is not a work on the Self, as Philip Gardiner would have it, it is a work by the Self.

The Self being...

'...the ordering and unifying center of the total psyche, the central source of life energy, the foundation of our being, which is most simply described as God.' [Edward Edinger in Ego and Archetype]

 

[mopiet]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

What is about you that we should "accept" your approach?

And what is about you that I should accept your approach?

 

[mopiet]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

This thread is another great example of the psychological disposition of the world at large.

From the get go someone makes a disingenuous first post to this board with an intent that they think no one is able to see. The first poster (mopiet in this case) throws out the bait. It is even pointed out by some posters that they suspect this is what this person is doing. First Poster ignores and selectively responds to only what they want to, as to vector and maintain what they want and need so deeply as their goal. First Poster does not even care if others can see through it. First Poster is superior and is waiting for the moment to throw down the gauntlet and demonstrate their greatness and school all the dummies and fools on the board. And specifically their target. In this case mopiet's target from the get go was Laura, as often is the case. First Poster (mopiet) lays in wait hoping to draw the target into the thread so all can be taught of First Poster's great knowledge and the target (Laura) can be taken on and defeated.

Psychology isn't important. We all have it wrong. We should be seeking the immortal physical body. Psychology, mind, conscience, and consciousness, isn't important. We should all seek the immortal physical. Mantra, Mantra, Mantra!!!

Laura, you and SOTT and QFG must be doing something right. If we all have it wrong and are all just little dummies as mopiet and others would like to teach us, then why do they care? Why do they bother? If we are wrong, what threat is that to their greatness and superior knowledge? It would in fact be only to their benefit that we were going down a wrong path as that would only maintain their perceived superiority and that is precisely what mopiet and others are telling us they are (they have the real scoop, the superior knowledge, the real truth). Why can they not stand that someone does not want to eat the fruit that they are offering? Why does that drive these types looney?

Me thinks this work really bothers someone.

Psychology indeed!

Psychology indeed! One does not overcome a sense of inferiority by pulling down others. On the contrary.

 

[Laura]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

About Gary Osborn, from Philip Gardiner's website:

Gary Osborn has been a writer on mysticism and esoteric traditions for over ten years. He once worked for the Daily Mail newspaper and has been involved with the media-film industry before managing a family business – a graphic-design and screen-printing printing company which specialised in both designing and creating custom-made studio equipment for various internationally-known recording artists.

He is naturally inclined to the world of art, literature and music, and aside from his numerous graphic-art projects – he is a portrait artist and semi-professional jazz- rock musician and composer in his spare time – as is his brother Paul – now a respected sound-technician and producer in the world of music-media.

Gary’s interests range from history, science and technology, quantum physics, philosophy, psychology and popular culture to metaphysics and esoteric subjects.

He has co-written various articles for Shaman’s Drum magazine covering subjects related to Ancient Mysteries: Esoteric traditions, Alchemy, Mysticism, Ancient Shamanism and the nature of human consciousness. He has also been involved in various project related to some respected members of the Esalen Physics of Consciousness Group – having been a daily contributor to a forum which included theoretical physicists, Jack Sarfatti and Hal Puthof, astronaut Edgar Mitchell, author Colin Wilson and psychic Uri Geller.

He is currently researching and writing a series of books with author, Philip Gardiner

Some of his work has been featured on the Great Pyramid of Giza Research Association Website. He describes himself as an ‘initiate into the mysteries’ – his knowledge, theories and insights being the direct result of an extraordinary experience he had in 1993.

Now, if you will have a look at John Humphries research on the psy-ops of psychopaths, Star of Sorcerers, here:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/sorcerers.htm

In mid 1992 investigations by member of UFO groups in the USA purportedly revealed a shadowy organization known as “The Aviary

 

[Laura]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

Interestingly, if you do a websearch, you see a lot of "mopiets" going around the web, promoting the Philip Gardiner - Paris 4 nonsense - even on Christian forums!

http://www.freejesus.net/home/viewtopic.php?t=8775&sid=48652a5bcb591528dd7946ea31caea6e

They just invade everywhere! Sure is looking like a concerted Pentagon backed operation to me.

 

[mopiet]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

Laura,

I've been with the Forbidden Letters since March 2006. And I don't think Gardiner has anything to do with that group. In spite of the fact that the URL to those Letters give his name.

The first two quotes are taken from his PS, writen early 2006. The third one though several months later.

1.

The Paris 4 contacted me and asked me to listen to their viewpoints on the Grail legend.(...) Their research is complex and their insight into the "internal" world of the mind, that of somebody who has obviously experienced such things."
[Philip Gardiner]

2.

"I think my contact in the Paris 4 is a gentleman and a scholar and that he has only true and good intentions and I can fully relate to that. (...) My warmest wishes and thanks to the Paris 4 and especially my contact (who I can't name), especially, as they have given me such an amazing amount of undeserving publicity!"
[Philip Gardiner]

3.


"No, there are no links to the completely fraudulent Paris 4 on this website because it has all come from within the mind of one deluded and intimately psychotic and bipolar individual. Those who take it all seriously are being deluded themselves by a psychotic individual, which strangely attracts other psychotic individuals. Beware of the trap. Others have walked blind into it."
[Philip Gardiner on his website]

Mind you, he has a way of turning. These quotes are from July 14th alone, according to the Moshiu-article.

"The articles on the Forbidden Letters] I find absolutely fascinating.
-- Philip Gardiner on July 14th 2006


"I am sick to the teeth of talking about the Letters."
-- Philip Gardiner on July 14th 2006



"I came to my own personal judgement on the Forbidden Letters, which is personal to me and me alone."
-- Philip Gardiner on July 14th 2006

And this:

'I will not answer any more questions on the (Forbidden) Letters, which certain individuals seem to have a stake in perpetuating across the net.'
[Philip Gardiner ten minutes after he, for the first time, jumped a public discussion on the Forbidden Letters in July 2006, and was jumped back.]

And then there is still this:

'Gary Osborn tells us on his website that the British Secret Service conducted an investigation into the identity of the Paris 4.' [Forum]

;)

 

[mopiet]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

It is so childish to temper with topic-headers.

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

Haven't you ridiculed the topic enough by sending it to baked noodles? I mean we all know your obsession with ''agents", but would you please stop yelling. Less is more.

 

[mopiet]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

Interestingly, if you do a websearch, you see a lot of "mopiets" going around the web, promoting the Philip Gardiner - Paris 4 nonsense - even on Christian forums!

http://www.freejesus.net/home/viewtopic.php?t=8775&sid=48652a5bcb591528dd7946ea31caea6e

They just invade everywhere! Sure is looking like a concerted Pentagon backed operation to me.

Laura, if there is one thing I get from your posts, it is, that you did not read the Letters and the response-articles. Now, you don't have to do that, but then please don't join the discussion. I mean, the work one has to do because you refuse to do your own reading.

"It's a possibility that any and all those who have written the response articles - even people initiating discussions and posting on the subject of the "forbidden letters" on forums like this - know the Paris 4, or are associated in some way, to keep it all going. That's why I find it interesting that the subject is now being discussed on over 60 forums on the Internet."
-- Gary Osborn [answering the question "Do you think the CE2 know the Paris 4?"]

That was in July 2006. [Moshiu article/Part 1/ authors]

 

[mopiet]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

As for your other two citations: John Woodhouse and Antoine de la Censerie, please provide CV and List of Publications.

CV? I'm not CIA. I'm on Internet.

 

[mudrabbit]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

mopiet,
What is your agenda here? The way you speak to Laura makes it sound like you are her superior, like you know something the rest of us don't. Apparently you have not availed yourself of the information that is suggested reading, because if you had, you would not be pushing your point the way you are, with the sarcasm and superiority you seem to hold.

As for shouting, THIS IS SHOUTING.... *bold* lettering is not shouting.

As for refusing to do their own reading, look who's talking! The information is there, you've been asked to review it before posting (please see guidelines), and yet you come into OUR house and start telling everyone what they should have read and what they should know. How rude and pretentious is that?

So again I ask you, what is your agenda here?

 

[mudrabbit]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

What is about you that we should "accept" your approach?

And what is about you that I should accept your approach?

You came here,.... we did not go to your forum.

While a guest in someone else's house, you should act accordingly.

 

[Laura]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

Laura, if there is one thing I get from your posts, it is, that you did not read the Letters and the response-articles. Now, you don't have to do that, but then please don't join the discussion. I mean, the work one has to do because you refuse to do your own reading.

What you don't get is that I DID do the reading back when another muppet brought the subject here. Check out the thread: "Philip Gardiner, Homosexuality and Alchemy Disinformation"

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5761

I have better things to do than engage with people who use salad-shooter metaphysics. There are real issues to be solved, real problems on this planet. In case you haven't noticed, the world is burning. I prefer to devote my time and energy to things that are worthwhile rather than labors of Hercules such as cleaning out the Augean stables, which is a good metaphor for this nonsense.

As for this:

"It's a possibility that any and all those who have written the response articles - even people initiating discussions and posting on the subject of the "forbidden letters" on forums like this - know the Paris 4, or are associated in some way, to keep it all going. That's why I find it interesting that the subject is now being discussed on over 60 forums on the Internet."
-- Gary Osborn [answering the question "Do you think the CE2 know the Paris 4?"]

That's a typical disinfo tactic. Nothing unusual about it at all.

As for:

It is so childish to temper with topic-headers.

No, it's strategic. Stepped on a sore toe, did I? Elicited a paramoralism... And the more pages we produce with this header, the more times it will appear on google, so keep on going! There are 13 pages on the other Philip Gardiner thread.

Haven't you ridiculed the topic enough by sending it to baked noodles? I mean we all know your obsession with ''agents", but would you please stop yelling. Less is more.

Oh, goodness! More paramoralisms! I'm really batting a thousand today! When the facts and data come back to expose the deviant, that's what they descend to. Now I'm obsessed with agents! Believe me, mr. mopiet, I'm not obsessed. I just have a good working knowledge of them. It's like driving a car: once you learn how to do it, it's second nature and you don't have to concentrate on it. It not only keeps a person alive, it protects against BS artists like yourself.

 

[mopiet]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

Like you know something the rest of us don't.

Well, isn't that somehow in the subtext that comes with your posts?

"The only thing I know for sure is that I don't know anything for sure."

P.S.

We're in baked noodles.

Baked Noodles:The world is full of whackos and nearly all of them are in cyberspace cruising for forums to invade and dominate with their delusions. Instead of deleting them, we will move such threads here for your entertainment.

Now, if you don't like to be in the company of whackos, if you don't like people who try to 'dominate' others 'with their delusions', then kindly leave. I didn't ask you to be in this thread. As they say in your country:

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

;)

 

[mopiet]

Philip Gardiner: expert on hidden mysteries? PSY-OPS Agent

What is about you that we should "accept" your approach?

And what is about you that I should accept your approach?

You came here,.... we did not go to your forum.

While a guest in someone else's house, you should act accordingly.

See #42.