mada85
The Cosmic Force
Name, your post shows the usual 'I'm a superior heterosexual' attitude exhibited by many unconscious hetero types. The tone of your post is offensive and arrogant. You show absolutely no empathy for a persecuted minority – it seems that you don't really want to understand anything, you're just looking for 'scientific' ammunition for your abusive ideas.
In my experience, men who are at ease with their heterosexuality, or simply with sexuality, are also at ease with gay men – and these are usually the 'plain folks' you mention, who you suppose to 'fervently dislike' gay and lesbian people.
To paraphrase a paragraph from your post:
You say:
Finally, here's a questionnaire for heterosexuals. You might like to consider these questions in the light of your arrogant and insulting post, which shows a bigoted lack of empathy and awareness.
Well, name, I am 'one of them' and the attitude demonstrated in this phrase alone is disgusting. And not being one of 'them' according to you, is just for starters. What comes next? Burning at the stake? Doth name protest too much? Or are you truly terrified of 'the love that dare not speak its name'?name said:for starters, i'm not one of them
These are not facts, just bigoted assumptions. And your idea that boys are either aggressively promiscuous or 'relatively under control' is truly and astoundingly offensive. It shows absolutely no knowledge of gay men, just your deep-seated fears.name said:the few things (not facts !) i know about homosexuals are:
- plain folks dislike them, fervently. when one goes up in the scale of education, the dislike is expressed more in terms of derisory comments and exclusion from social activities; down the education scale the dislike is expressed rather in form of direct (physical) aggression.
- they are a significant minority of the population, at about 4% IIRC.
- the girls i classify broadly in three groups: one would be the 'strictly for fun' crowd, another (big) group those who have had BAD stories with men (rape, abuse by immediate family, ...), and a third group those who i'd term 'innate' and who discover the preference in themselves early on.
- the boys i classify along other lines: the aggressively promiscuous ones and those who have themselves in relative control. that probably has to do with my interaction with them rather than any other objective criterion.
- there is another group, the transgenders, who i dont even know where to put. only thing i know is i've met exactly on person from this group IRL. i felt marked aversion and disgust towards this person.
What do you base this rubbish on? 'Plain folks' are no strangers to gay and lesbian people. Where do you think homosexuals and lesbians come from? The same place heterosexuals come from! In my experience, 'plain folks' can be far more compassionate and accepting than so-called intellectuals.name said:- plain folks dislike them, fervently.
This is definitely questionable. When I was at school in the early 1970s, at an all-boys school, I did not come out, let alone tell any other students I was gay, for fear of physical violence. However, a boy I knew, who was in the same year as me, was completely out and everyone knew he was gay, yet he never suffered any physical attack or abuse, ever.name said:…when one goes up in the scale of education, the dislike is expressed more in terms of derisory comments and exclusion from social activities; down the education scale the dislike is expressed rather in form of direct (physical) aggression.
This appears to be so - hXXp://www(dot)avert(dot)org/hsexu1.htmname said:- they are a significant minority of the population, at about 4% IIRC.
In my experience, men who are at ease with their heterosexuality, or simply with sexuality, are also at ease with gay men – and these are usually the 'plain folks' you mention, who you suppose to 'fervently dislike' gay and lesbian people.
To paraphrase a paragraph from your post:
Well, there is something missing for just about everyone on this planet – it's called consciousness, conscience, or empathy, and all three seem to be missing from your post.I've had as acquaintances heterosexuals of both genders, I've been privy to their idle chat, I've had some extensive and interesting conversations with some of them. In both genders, what strikes me most is the trophy-hunting approach towards mating and the sexually-tinged nature of almost any social activity. It looks to me almost as if they overcompensate for something that is missing.
You say:
Gay and lesbian people are absent from 'plain folks' affairs in the historical record because the deeds and lives of 'plain folks' were not recorded as were those of politicians and the aristocracy, not to mention institutionalised bigotry and persecution. William Naphy in Born To Be Gay presents a discussion of the ways in which homosexuals became scapegoats for the Black Death and how this has coloured attitudes ever since.name said:- homosexuals/homosexuality have been integral and known traits of many ruling groups from history and present… conversely, they are almost absent from plain folks affairs.
And then along came the Black Death … if one was conspiracy-minded, one might think 'set-up'.William Naphy said:The simple fact is that the [150-year] period leading up to [c.1350] saw an increase in ecclesiastical and secular regulations aimed specifically at homosexuality as it became more and more associated with heretical movements.
So that's why, when I read Lobaczewski, Hare, Stout and Salter, and so on, I can see myself mirrored in their pages. It's nothing to do with being ponerized from birth in a world of lies, just my 'innate homosexuality'. Thank you for explaining it to me.name said:- (added) is innate homosexuality a selector for essential psychopathy ?
Finally, here's a questionnaire for heterosexuals. You might like to consider these questions in the light of your arrogant and insulting post, which shows a bigoted lack of empathy and awareness.
Heterosexuality Questionnaire
(Attributed to Martin Rochlin, PhD, January 1977)
1. What do you think has caused you to be heterosexual?
2. When and how did you first decide you were a heterosexual?
3. Is it possible your heterosexuality stems from a neurotic fear of people of the same sex?
4. If you've never slept with a person of the same sex, how do you know you wouldn't prefer it?
5. Isn't it possible your heterosexuality is just a phase you may grow out of?
6. Isn't it possible that all you need is a good gay lover?
7. If heterosexuality is normal, why are a disproportionate number of mental patients heterosexual?
8. To whom have you disclosed your heterosexual tendencies? How did they react?
9. Why do heterosexuals place so much emphasis on sex? Why are they so promiscuous?
10. Do heterosexuals hate and/or distrust others of their own sex? Is that what makes them heterosexual?
11. If you were to have children, would you want them to be heterosexual knowing the problems they'd face?
12. Your heterosexuality doesn't offend me as long as you don't try to force it on me. Why do you feel compelled to seduce others into your sexual orientation?
13. The great majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. Do you really consider it safe to expose your children to heterosexual teachers?
14. Why do you insist on being so obvious, and making a public spectacle of your heterosexuality? Can't you just be who you are and keep it quiet?
15. How can you ever hope to become a whole person if you limit yourself to a compulsive, exclusively heterosexual lifestyle, and remain unwilling to explore and develop your homosexual potential?
16. Heterosexuals are noted for assigning themselves and each other to narrowly restricted, stereotyped sex-roles. Why do you cling to such unhealthy role playing?
17. Even with all the societal support marriage receives, the divorce rate is spiralling. Why are there so few stable relationships among heterosexuals?
18. How could the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual like you, considering the menace of overpopulation?
19. There seem to be very few happy heterosexuals. Techniques have been developed that could help you change if you really wanted to. Have you considered trying psychotherapy or even aversion therapy?
21. Could you really trust a heterosexual therapist/counsellor to be objective and unbiased? Don't you fear he/she might be inclined to influence you in the direction of his/her own preferences?
22. How can you enjoy a full, satisfying sexual experience or deep emotional rapport with a person of the opposite sex when the differences are so vast? How can a man understand what pleases a woman, or vice-versa?