Philip Gardiner, Homosexuality and Alchemy Disinformation

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Are mine and Cyre's remarks only ones that made you curious or are considered worthy replying, Prince? Our comments might have been premature, but I guess we shall see if we were wrong. Number of "question" signs suggests that you are very surprised by our suspicions. It may be due to your lack of experience and unfamiliarity with all the disturbing events that ocurred in this forum. That's fine - everyone is a "rookie" at the beginning, but what is rather unnatural is when a "rookie" tells Laura what she should or should not do...
 
all the posts made by Prince are very weird aswell;

m Prince from Germany. I've been at this Forum before, only to look. I hope my english is good enough to participate in discussion.

All the best to you,
Prince.
Are you sure this really happened?
I wish I had experiences like this too.
I only gave an example. And wanted to warn you.
Prince, you are acting very weird first you introduce yourself to these forums with the intention to participate in discussion but then you don't participate in them, but you just give pointless replies, if you even had taken the chance to to read the waves etc, you would have know that laura already knew these things.

It seems to me, that you are like some spy that tries to infiltrate some base and make yourself look like you are actually interested in these topics , it would not suprise me if your a friend of Hitch or you and hitch are maybe even the same person, and it pretty obvious that you are here with some agenda

but well that is my observation about you.
 
One might think that Prince is a kid who was treated a bit too rougly. Not after his last post (the one which was just deleted)...
 
Hmm...interesting. I also had a chance to see the post where Prince called us a nutcase sect and Laura playing the role of God.
 
Keit said:
Hmm...interesting. I also had a chance to see the post where Prince called us a nutcase sect and Laura playing the role of God.
That's the typical psychopathic response to being outed. Works like a charm every time!
 
Hitch aka North got banned 18th april. Prince popped up day after, wrote nothing of substance, only to jump into this thread, link to Paris letters and "help" Laura. Whether he was Hitch, or somehow related with him does not matter. He had an agenda and it came out today.

Makes one woder how many "operatives", conscious or not, are snooping around. Cointelpro agent and dummy activity fluctates in intensity, but nevertheless puts continuous pressure. Seemingly small intrusions, distractions, energy sinkholes, etc created by single "agents" add up and form considerable encumberance. They don't attack overtly, but slow us down by such a sneaky tactics. We ban one of them, two others sign in. It's like fighting Hydra :(
 
Oh! Yes. I saw that posting prior to self-deletion.

He also said: "Abandoning ship".

I was gonna respond by saying: Take your nuts with you so that
after jumping ship, you might not sink... (look before you leap?)
 
jOda said:
They don't attack overtly, but slow us down by such a sneaky tactics. We ban one of them, two others sign in. It's like fighting Hydra
They would probably love to think of themselves that way, but the truth of the matter is they are more like gnats - just annoying and can do no harm. Yes, there is a swarm of them that encroaches and retreats, but at the end of the day, they always 'buzz' the same and are seen for what they are - then - one quick swat and they're gone. =)
 
The ironic thing is that most of these psychopaths don't even KNOW that they have an agenda; yet when they are confronted with this idea they wax indignant and histrionically proclaim their good intentions, along with a stream of suggestive insults and slander. In short, they reveal their agenda, and are totally ignorant of the process which has taken place! Thank god they're not too bright!
 
Iron wrote: << I wonder why the COINTELPRO guys, and others groups or indiiduals who aim to throw seekers off their way, do not do a more through job. >>

Hi Iron -- they don't need to do a thorough or clever job. All they have to do is sow some doubt and confusion. In this way, division is accomplished, factions are created. It is extremely easy to do this. Once done, a certain percentage of people will believe the lies outright, another percentage will have doubts and be open to more lies, another percentage will be too lazy to sort out the truth, etc.
 
AdPop said:
Iron wrote: << I wonder why the COINTELPRO guys, and others groups or indiiduals who aim to throw seekers off their way, do not do a more through job. >>

Hi Iron -- they don't need to do a thorough or clever job. All they have to do is sow some doubt and confusion. In this way, division is accomplished, factions are created. It is extremely easy to do this. Once done, a certain percentage of people will believe the lies outright, another percentage will have doubts and be open to more lies, another percentage will be too lazy to sort out the truth, etc.
Ponerology in action, with the basics covered one can then use this forum as a living laboratory, where we can each learn more and more about this phenomenon. Truly priceless.
 
Dant said:
He also said: "Abandoning ship".
Hmmm... that is an interesting clue. Reminds me of an email we received back in September of 2002:

From: Anonymous <nobody@paranoici.org>
To: www@cassiopaea.org
Subject: OPs
Date sent: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:10:01 +0200 (CEST)

I guess it never occurred to you bags of dirt that you are describing yourselves and some of your
cult members.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/organic_portals.htm


You haven't fooled everyone or even very many for that matter.

You've made many enemies with your thinly veiled hate mongering and many see right through your
ruse. You are frauds and will soon be exposed as such.

We've been silent until now in the interest of free discourse and exchange of thought, whether we
agree with it or not, but you abuse free speech by using it as a shield for petty slander routines
run in the interest of selling more books and recruiting more members of your pathetic little wannbe
cult.

Basta.

Prepare to be boarded.
Notice "prepare to be boarded" and its relation to "Abandoning ship."

Notice also the date of the above email... it was shortly after the publication of our OP material and this, apparently, really struck a nerve. We were getting way too close to the heart of the problem.

Not long after the above, on October 21, 2002, we received the snail mail threat that is discussed on this page:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/deaththreats.htm

Having a sample of Vinnie's handwriting to hand, we were able to compare. Even though there was some attempt to disguise the hand-writing, I think you will agree after examining the samples shown on the above linked page, that it was Vinnie himself writing the letter. As I wrote in that article (using our fun pseudonym for Vinnie):

As the readers of the site may recall, one of Maynerd Most main rants was about our books. First he wanted to publish them. He couldn't say enough nice things about our work as long as he was trying to maneuver our books out of our control so HE could make money from our labor. After he had spent so much time trying to get control of them, only to shoot himself in the foot, he then did an about-face and began ranting "You're just trying to make a buck on lousy books..."

There is another similarity because another of the rants of the Most gang was the typical COINTELPRO accusation of "cult! cult!" This was actually pretty rich because becoming free of cultic thinking is one of the main objectives of the Quantum Future School, and that is exactly why Maynerd Most was kicked out: he couldn't let go of his culting thinking and manipulation. In short, creating a cult was exactly what Maynerd Most wanted to do, and most of all, he wanted to do it in the Quantum Future School, with himself as the "head guru."

It is also notable that he had a "Fifth Way Mystery School" formed up and waiting for his cult following long before our closed discussion group came to the idea that it was a genuine anti-cult school. Only problem Most had was that he couldn't get a "following," and wanted to subvert our readers to his own benefit. And when he was removed from the group, his main rant was that we were trying to "suppress free speech."

So, the rant about "selling books" and "pathetic wannabe cult" and "free speech" are right out of Most's basic, repertoire. His (and Storm Bear Williams) "parody site", focus on these very issues - using "freedom to parody" as their raison, and their pathetic "pay me now" and "drink the kool aid" - lines are a clue as to the source of the email.

So, all of the elements of the Most/Williams/Wiley rants are in the email: selling books, cults, free speech. Typical COINTELPRO. And again, it is not important to consider Most a real "agent" in the sense of being connected to any secret organization. The principle of COINTELPRO is the same no matter if it derives from directed conscious activity, or unconscious social engineering.
So, like I said, if Philip Gardiner wishes to go down in flames, to never be taken seriously, he just needs to continue to hang out with Vinnie and his gang of Poseurs.

But then, maybe that's the key? Gardiner and gang are members of the same gang run by COINTELPRO whether they realize it or not.
 
Thought I would share another email that I have kept back until now. This was received from Paul Duffy mentioned in the quote from the GLP thread that I posted a few posts back. I never published it because I was keeping his identity confidential. But now it seems that his name is out there and the situation is exposed, so it is one of the numerous private communications about Vinnie that I have received that I think I can share now.

From: "Paul Duffey"
To: Arkadiusz Jadczyk
Subject: Re: DAMN Vincent Bridges
Date sent: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:39:11 -0500

My knowledge of it is that VB TOTALLY falsified his college credentials to
JW in hopes of co-authoring a book

then, later, when JW found out, he was faced with a Financial Pickle.

how to get out of a partnership without losing time and money..

My PERSONAL experience is that VB ruined things by presence alone and wasted
endless amounts of my time while acting like a goody good.

he essentially drained years of my life and then refused to fess up to
things such as the following:

stealing "clients" belongings (journals)
stealing my friend's dress
lying about his past and credentials

He's one of the more paranoid people I've ever met.

In the course of knowing him he declared himself to be the occult center of
North America and claimed most people didn't have souls...

Neither of which is true.

Anyway, best regards, just giving you the heads up after a bitter evening of
VB retrospection

Also, be wary of personal belongings.. he once admitted to me that he was
casting spells and voodoo like things on this woman's dress which he later
claimed to have never possessed
There's a lot of really UGLY stuff about Vinnie that has come to me from his victims. The guy really needs to be locked away because he is a danger to everyone he comes in contact with.

Too bad this is not more widely known on the net; too bad ignorant people continually get taken in by him. But then, that's the power of the paranoid psychopath.

Lobaczewski said:
Paranoid character disorders: It is characteristic of paranoid behavior for people to be capable of relatively correct reasoning and discussion as long as the conversation involves minor differences of opinion. This stops abruptly when the partner’s arguments begin to undermine their overvalued ideas, crush their long-held stereotypes of reasoning, or force them to accept a conclusion they had subconsciously rejected before. Such a stimulus unleashes upon the partner a torrent of pseudo-logical, largely paramoralistic, often insulting utterances which always contain some degree of suggestion.

Utterances like these inspire aversion among cultivated and logical people, but they enslave less critical minds, e.g. people with other kinds of psychological deficiencies, who were earlier the objects of the egotistical influence of individuals with character disorders, and in particular a large part of the young. A proletarian may perceive this to be a kind of victory over higher-class people and thus take the paranoid person’s side. However, this is not the normal reaction among the common people, where perception of psychological reality occurs no less often than among intellectuals. In sum then, the response of accepting paranoid argumentation is qualitatively more frequent in reverse proportion to the civilization level of the community in question, although it never approaches the majority. Nevertheless, paranoid individuals become aware of their enslaving influence through experience and attempt to take advantage thereof in a pathologically egotistic manner.

We know today that the psychological mechanism of paranoid phenomena is twofold: one is caused by damage to the brain tissue, the other is functional or behavioral. Within the above-mentioned process of rehabilitation, any brain-tissue lesion causes a certain degree of loosening of accurate thinking and, as a consequence, of the personality structure. Most typical are those cases caused by an aggression in the diencephalon by various pathological factors, resulting in its permanently decreased tonal ability, and similarly of the tonus of inhibition in the brain cortex. Particularly during sleepless nights, runaway thoughts give rise to a paranoid changed view of human reality, as well as to ideas which can be either gently naive or violently revolutionary. Let us call this kind paranoid characteropathy.

In persons free of brain-tissue lesions, such phenomena most frequently occur as a result of being reared by people with paranoid characteropathia, along with the psychological terror of their childhood. Such psychological material is then assimilated creating the rigid stereotypes of abnormal experiencing. This makes it difficult for thought and world-view to develop normally, and the terror-blocked contents become transformed into permanent, functional, congestive centers.

Ivan Pavlov comprehended all kinds of paranoid states in a manner similar to this functional model without being aware of this basic and primary cause. He nevertheless provided a vivid description of paranoid characters and the above-mentioned ease with which paranoid individuals suddenly tear away from factual discipline and proper thought-processes. Those readers of his work on the subject who are sufficiently familiar with Soviet conditions glean yet another historical meaning from his little book. Its intent appears obvious. The author dedicated his work, with no word of inscription, of course, to the chief model of a paranoid personality: the revolutionary leader Lenin, whom the scientist knew well. As a good psychologist, Pavlov could predict that he would not be the object of revenge, since the paranoid mind will block out the egocentric associations. He was thus able to die a natural death.

Lenin should nevertheless be included with the first and most characteristic kind of paranoid personality, i.e. most probably due to diencephalic brain damage. Arthur Grossman describes him more or less as follows:

Lenin was always tactful, gentle, and polite, but simultaneously characterized by an excessively sharp, ruthless, and brutal attitude to political opponents. He never allowed any possibility that they might be even minimally right, nor that he might be even minimally wrong. He would often call his opponents hucksters, lackeys, servant-boys, mercenaries, agents, or Judases bribed for thirty pieces of silver. He made no attempt to persuade his opponents during a dispute. He communicated not with them, but rather with those witnessing the dispute, in order to ridicule and compromise his adversaries. Sometimes such witnesses were just a few people, sometimes thousands of delegates to a congress, sometimes millions worth throngs of newspaper readers.
[...]

Within each ponerogenic union, a psychological structure is created which can be considered a counterpart or caricature of the normal structure of society or a societal organization. Individuals with various psychological aberrations complement each other’s talents and characteristics. This structure is subjected to diachronic modification with regard to changes in the character of the association as whole. The earlier phase of the union’s activity is usually dominated by characteropathic, particularly paranoid, individuals, who often play an inspirational or spellbinding role in the ponerization process.
Vinnies' relationship with his side-kick Storm Bear Williams and his "groupies" seems to be similar to what Lobaczewski describes here regarding Ponerogenic Unions:

A spellbinder at first simultaneously plays the leader in a ponerogenic group. Later there appears another kind of “leadership talent� , a more vital individual who often joined the organization later, once it has already succumbed to ponerization. The spellbinding individual, being weaker, is forced to come to terms with being shunted into the shadows and recognizing the new leader’s “genius� , unless he accepts the threat of total failure. Roles are parceled out. The spellbinder needs support from the primitive but decisive leader, who in turn needs the spellbinder to uphold the association’s ideology, so essential in maintaining the proper attitude on the part of those members of the rank and file who betray a tendency to criticism and doubt of the moral variety. The spellbinder must repackage the ideology, appropriately, sliding new contents under old titles, so that it can continue fulfilling its propaganda function under ever-changing conditions. He has also to uphold the leader’s mystique inside and outside the association. Complete trust cannot exist between the two, however, since the leader secretly has contempt for the spellbinder and his ideology, whereas the spellbinder despises the leader for being such a coarse individual. The showdown is always probable; whoever is weaker becomes the loser. [...]

In the ponerogenic process of the pathocratic phenomenon, characteropathic individuals adopt ideologies created by doctrinaire, often schizoidal people, recast them into an active propaganda form, and disseminate it with pathological egotism and paranoid intolerance for any philosophies which may differ from their own. They also inspire further transformation of this ideology into its pathological counterpart. Something which had a doctrinaire character and circulated in numerically limited groups is now activated at societal level, thanks to their spellbinding possibilities.

It also appears that this process tends to intensify with time; initial activities are undertaken by persons with milder characteropathic features, who are easily able to hide their aberrations from others. Paranoid individuals thereupon become principally active. Toward the end of the process, an individual with frontal characteropathy and the highest degree of pathological egotism can easily take over leadership.

In the meantime, however, the carriers of other (mainly hereditary) pathological factors become engaged in this already sick social movement. They accomplish the work of final transformation of the contents of such a union in such a way that it becomes a pathological caricature of its original contents and ideology. This is affected under the ever-growing influence of psychopathic personalities, thanks to the inspiration of essential psychopathy. Such leadership eventually engenders a wholesale showdown: the adherents of the original ideology are shunted aside or terminated. This group includes many characteropaths, especially of the lesser and paranoidal varieties. Ideological motivations and the double talk they create thereupon serve to hide the actual new contents of the phenomenon. From this time on, using the ideological denomination of the movement in order to understand its essence becomes a keystone of mistakes. [...]

Doubletalk is only one of many symptoms. Others are the specific facility for producing new names which have suggestive effects and are accepted virtually uncritically, in particular outside the immediate scope of such a system’s rule. We must thus point out the paramoralistic character and paranoidal qualities frequently contained within these names. The action of paralogisms and paramoralisms in this deformed ideology becomes comprehensible to us based on the information presented in Chapter IV. Anything which threatens pathocratic rule becomes deeply immoral.

[...]
Doubletalk is only one of many symptoms. Others are the specific facility for producing new names which have suggestive effects and are accepted virtually uncritically, in particular outside the immediate scope of such a system’s rule. We must thus point out the paramoralistic character and paranoidal qualities frequently contained within these names. The action of paralogisms and paramoralisms in this deformed ideology becomes comprehensible to us based on the information presented in Chapter IV. Anything which threatens pathocratic rule becomes deeply immoral.
As mentioned, this forum is a great laboratory for studying this phenomenon and the Vinnie gang of Poseurs have been excellent subjects.
 
Laura said:
As mentioned, this forum is a great laboratory for studying this phenomenon and the Vinnie gang of Poseurs have been excellent subjects.
it certainly is. Not only that but it mentally sharpens one up, to 'learn modes of attack and always expect attack' -C's
 
IMO this thread needs to be put back 'on-topic' and earthed a bit. lemme give it a try: why not take a real look at real homosexuals/homosexuality rather than theorizing around the obviously false (diversionary) premise of homosexuality having anything to do with resurrection ?

for starters, i'm not one of them, so i'm probably as competent to say anything about gays as priests are competent in relation to marriage. i've done extensive experimentation on all kind of things when i was younger, and homosexuals and homosexuality (of both genders) are one of the few things which are a 200% turn-off to me.

the few things (not facts !) i know about homosexuals are:
- plain folks dislike them, fervently. when one goes up in the scale of education, the dislike is expressed more in terms of derisory comments and exclusion from social activities; down the education scale the dislike is expressed rather in form of direct (physical) aggression.
- they are a significant minority of the population, at about 4% IIRC.
- the girls i classify broadly in three groups: one would be the 'strictly for fun' crowd, another (big) group those who have had BAD stories with men (rape, abuse by immediate family, ...), and a third group those who i'd term 'innate' and who discover the preference in themselves early on.
- the boys i classify along other lines: the aggressively promiscuous ones and those who have themselves in relative control. that probably has to do with my interaction with them rather than any other objective criterion.
- there is another group, the transgenders, who i dont even know where to put. only thing i know is i've met exactly on person from this group IRL. i felt marked aversion and disgust towards this person.

i've had as acquaintances homosexuals of both genders, i've been privy to their idle chat, i've had some extensive and interesting conversations with some of them. in both genders, what strikes me most is the trophy-hunting approach towards mating and the sexually-tinged nature of almost any social activity. it looks to me almost as if they overcompensate for something that is missing.

that is 'them' seen from my personal, probably very subjective vantage. why i find them interesting in the context of this forum is:
- during the last 10-15 years, homosexuals have been elevated into a state of semi-divinity, of minor deities in the ponerological panteon of politically-correct minority groups, akin to jews, women, "immigrants", ...
- homosexuals/homosexuality have been integral and known traits of many ruling groups from history and present: nazis, catholic church, military officialty (especially special forces), royal courts across europe and elsewhere, diplomacy. conversely, they are almost absent from plain folks affairs.
- concluding from their social activity, i'd say that they form an inverse pyramid (in numbers and activity) in relation to affluence/education of the general population,similar to what another distinct population group does.

my questions:
- WHY are they being promoted to so many positions of power ?
- is their new 'protected' status and the promotion to positions of power of many of them originary within the ranks of their own subculture, or does it originate from somewhere else ? if elsewhere, from where/whom ?
- WHY are they interesting enough to the pathocracy that they have acquired a 'protected' status ?
- is it possible that homosexuals as a group express psychological traits useful for pathocracy statistically more often than the rest of the population ?
- (edited) more in detail: if one could do a Venn diagram showing: whole population, groups in power, psychological traits as per lobaczewski, homosexuals: how (quantitatively) would all these overlap ?
- (added) is innate homosexuality a selector for essential psychopathy ?

last but not least, i find it interesting that somebody would come to this forum with what has been exposed as disinfo and expect not only to get a pass but also that nobody here would take an attentive look back at them.

BTW: i'd be grateful for any reference (URL) where i can read founded psychological information about homosexuals.
 
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