Pickled Dragon Hoax

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Well, my last post here has a mysterious ‘broken link’ …

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=.msg51778#msg51778

… It was about the VATICAN, with pictures, … hmmm.

How far will we get with this one?

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A pickled "dragon" that looks as if it might once have flown around Harry Potter's Hogwarts has been found in a garage in Oxfordshire, England.

The baby dragon, in a sealed jar, was discovered with a metal tin containing paperwork in old-fashioned German of the 1890s.

Allistair Mitchell, who was asked to investigate the dragon by a friend, David Hart, who discovered it in his garage, speculates that German scientists may have attempted to use the dragon to hoax their English counterparts at the end of the 19th century, when rivalry between the countries was intense.

"At the time, scientists were the equivalent of today's pop stars. It would have been a great propaganda coup for the Germans if it had come off," Mr Mitchell said.

"I've shown the photos to someone from Oxford University and he thought it was amazing. Obviously he could not say if it was real and wanted to do a biopsy."

The documents suggest that the Natural History Museum turned the dragon away, possibly because they suspected it was a trick, and sent it to be destroyed. But it appears a porter intercepted the jar and took it home. The papers suggest the porter may have been Frederick Hart - David Hart's Grandfather.

Mr Mitchell said: "The dragon is flawless, from the tiny teeth to the umbilical cord. It could be made from indiarubber, because Germany was the world's leading manufacturer of it at the time, or it could be made of wax. It has to be fake. No one has ever proved scientifically that dragons exist. But everyone who sees it immediately asks, 'Is it real?"'

Some scientists believe that dragons, though the product of imagination, were inspired by the extraordinary creatures that once roamed the Earth.

As J.K.Rowling's alter ego Hermione Granger once suggested, legends have a basis in fact.

The Telegraph, London

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/28/1075088090949.html
Kieran


---------moderator updated title from 'pickled dragon mystery' to 'pickled dragon hoax' to more accurately reflect the content--------------------------------------------
 
Some more info...

Book deal for dragon hoax author
BBC News
Sunday, 28 March, 2004

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An author who was so desperate to get his book published that he staged a hoax involving a baby dragon has won a lucrative publishing contract.

After numerous rejections Allistair Mitchell concocted a tale that a dragon had been found in a garage last year.

He said: "I created the hoax in order to attract potential readers."

Mr Mitchell, based in Oxford, has now signed an book deal with Waterstone's for his book Unearthly History, a thriller featuring a dragon.

Writing under the pen name PR Moredun, Mr Mitchell concocted the tall tale which emerged in the media in January.

It was claimed that German scientists created the specimen in the 1890s and sent it to the Natural History Museum in order to dupe their British counterparts.

But, the story went, the museum had dismissed it as a hoax and it had been spirited away by a museum porter.

In fact the dragon was created by Crawley Creatures, the model makers behind TV's Walking with Dinosaurs, and the jar was made by a specialist glass blowing studio in the Isle of Wight.

A Waterstone's spokesman said: "This is a very refreshing approach to book publishing.

"My bet is that it is going to be a big seller - because of the hoax but also because it is a great book and people will recommend it on."
Crawly Creatures said:
The Pickled Dragon

When a news story broke in Spring 2004, telling of an amazing discovery, only a few of those 'in the know' were aware of the involvement of Crawley Creatures.

In an attempt to promote his forthcoming book, author Allistair Mitchell concocted a tale that a 'pickled dragon' had been found in a garage last year. As part of an elaborate hoax he speculated that German scientists may have attempted to use the dragon to hoax their English counterparts at the end of the 19th century, when rivalry between the countries was intense.

News of the dragon spread like wildfire, with the internet buzzing with opinions and arguments as to the origins of the beast.

Eventually, of course, the truth was revealed.... and Crawley Creatures were revealed as the creators of the detailed model.

The dragon was sculpted by Colin Shulver and is made of silicon, with latex wings and nylon claws and teeth.
 
This is from a source that, sadly, must remain anonymous.

I know what I must be ready to receive falling on my head here.

Let him (or her) who has ears to hear ….

As I understand it, during the summer of 2003, a 74-year old man in Sussex
County, England was cleaning out the workshop of his grandfather, who was a country doctor in England from 1890-1940, and died in a WWII bombing raid.

His grandfather performed numerous home childbirths. Whenever there was a
stillborn birth, or natural abortion, or some birth defect, he preserved the
"specimen" in alcohol for future study. Imagine the surprise when the family blew off the cobwebs and dust on a very large specimen bottle, and came face to face with the creature inside!

According to the story, the 74-year-old grandson went to his grandfather's
journal entries to determine where and when this particular “specimen”
originated. Evidently, it was the stillborn fetus of a well-known WITCH that just
happened to live and "practice her craft" in the same county where JK Rowling (the author of the Harry Potter series) grew up. The birth caused massive bleeding, and the practicing witch did not survive the birthing.

According to my sources, this gentleman took a picture of the specimen, and
sent it off with a letter of explanation to the British Royal Museum of Natural History, asking them to perform a complete scientific autopsy and investigative study, and keep the specimen available for public viewing. He also sent a copy of his correspondence to the London Telegraph newspaper. The result of his picture and letter was immediate. The Museum staff accused him of fomenting a "publicity stunt" for Rowling, because "everyone knows there is no such thing as dragons". In short, the officials in England called the whole thing a "hoax" and declared it to be nothing but a figure of wax.

Not to be outdone, the grandson persuaded a dentist friend to take a series of
X-rays.

Evidently, the x-rays showed a series of very intricate bones and cartilage in the specimen. In other words, the specimen is absolutely not a fraud. Also, who in their right mind would think of placing an umbilical cord on a dragon – everyone, (especially Rowling) knows that mythical dragons are reptiles, and reptiles are hatched from eggs, RIGHT?

With the accusations against him, and armed with the X-rays, he went public
and issued a press statement. He was then arrested for attempting to cause a
public "riot". Though he has not been officially charged with any crime, my
sources tell me that he is yet under arrest because he is totally refusing to
cooperate with the Queen's government and turn over the "specimen" to
them. They have told him that in the interest of "keeping the peace," upon
gaining possession of it, they plan to have it destroyed immediately.

I have interviewed more than one woman who claimed that human women
deep in SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) were giving birth to "demons" with reptile features, tails, and in some instances wings.

One individual told me that fetuses that survived the birth process (most do not) developed into a sort of "velociraptor" reptile.

Could a similar creature be the inter-dimensional "mothman" of New England fame?

This woman also declared on a videotaped interview that "literally thousands"
of these beings live underground in the US and the UK, and have for
many centuries. I thought she was nutty, but now I am not so sure.

In a book by Manley Hall, "Secret Teachings of All Ages" he declares that the
ultimate goal of witchcraft is to "bind the demons to do their bidding", and archsatanist wizard Aleistar Crowley comments on the ultimate goal of WICCA as being: "Witches are initiated eventually to believe that it is possible, through magickal rites, to effect alchemical changes in their reproductive system to enable them to have VIABLE SEXUAL RELATIONS with demon
extraterrestrials.”In the higher levels of WICCA, initiates are told that by having sex with these beings, offspring could be brought into being. In exchange for sexual relations, the demons would bless the witch and their human offspring with “immortality and godhood."

Wild story, don't you think? But look closely at the hands, feet, knees and
joints of the specimen. They appear more human than reptilian. And the
umbilical cord is REALLY interesting.

Again, if this were a waxen fraud to build publicity for Rowling, who would think of placing a human umbilical cord on a "dragon"? Who would think of placing an umbilical cord on a wax dummy?
And … umm … any info on my last post here .. with the mysterious ‘broken link’ …

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs … 778#p51778

… It was about the VATICAN, with pictures, … hmmm.

… can we not tell the truth about the VATICAN here?

Can we not tell the truth here?

Kieran
 
Keiran, 'anonymous' sources are not encouraged here and are almost always an indication of disinformation. Please note your source. Since you posted the pickled dragon as a mystery and not a hoax, and since you are asking 'who would think of placing an umbilical cord on a wax dummy' - your lack of discernment is once again very evident.

As far as your 'black pope' obsession, it also points to your discernment level and any further re-posting of this material is spamming and will get you removed from this forum.

It might be wise to remember that not everything you read on the internet is true - feel free to propagate such dubious information elsewhere on the internet, but not on this forum - it is noise and will be removed.

We can indeed tell the truth here - and sensationalist noise with 'anonymous sources' is NOT the truth.
 
StevieX said:
Why is Kieran suddenly banned?

Laura?
Hi StevieX, Kieran was not suddenly banned. Kieran has been warned, given guidance, and given many, many chances to abide by the forum rules. He has consistently failed to do so and after yet another verbally abusive post, which has been deleted, he was removed from the forum.

The forum rules are very clear and very easy to follow - when one consistently chooses to not do so and to be verbally abusive, even after being given several warnings to correct his behavior, one is removed.

Has he contacted you about this?

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Just a clarification to readers following this thread: StevieX posted a response to my question that contained a lengthy excerpt of 'cassiopaea cult' nonsense, written by one Colleen Johnston (an associate of Vinny Bridges). This excerpt consisted of the usual lies and slanders that have been repeated by psychological deviants, and that have all been covered and fully debunked on this forum and the associated web pages. http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=673&p=1
 
StevieX said:
Why is Kieran suddenly banned?

Laura?
Why was he banned? Mainly because he is obviously pontificating and has no consideration for the serious aims of this forum not to mention posting anonymous claims about witches giving birth to dragons as evidence that a hoax story is true.

Joe
 
Joe

Do you subscribe to the principal that truth should be fearless?

Do you agree that if you seek the truth you can fearlessly receive any information and respond to it?

Because, if you truly seek the truth then even if your own ideas are turned upside down in the light of new information you will be grateful ... because you have received truth that you were previously unaware of?

Do you agree?

And for a brief period I was banned ... probably by Anart.

Should you begin to be concerned here?

Or are you happy with an authoritarian, Jedi-Knight hierarchy?

I, for one, think you should un-ban Kieran and let him post.

Or is that too frightening to contemplate?

StevieX
 
StevieX said:
Joe

Do you subscribe to the principal that truth should be fearless?
sure, but what's that got to do with the discussion at hand?

StevieX said:
Do you agree that if you seek the truth you can fearlessly receive any information and respond to it?
sure, but what's that got to do with the discussion at hand?

StevieX said:
Because, if you truly seek the truth then even if your own ideas are turned upside down in the light of new information you will be grateful ... because you have received truth that you were previously unaware of?
sure, but what's that got to do with the discussion at hand?

StevieX said:
Do you agree?
sure, but what's that got to do with the discussion at hand?

StevieX said:
And for a brief period I was banned ... probably by Anart.
As a moderator that is her perogative. The forum rules are not up for discussion. If you don't like it, you are free to leave.

StevieX said:
Should you begin to be concerned here?
don't see any reason to be.

StevieX said:
Or are you happy with an authoritarian, Jedi-Knight hierarchy?
well, right here you make an assumption/accusation. There is no "authoritarian, Jedi-Knight hierarchy" here, just moderators who try to keep the forum running in line with the rules and principles of same.

StevieX said:
I, for one, think you should un-ban Kieran and let him post.
you're entitled to your opinion. But maybe you think that your opinion should be acted upon as some kind of absolute truth? And if it is not you are going to throw the toys out of the pram, as it were.

StevieX said:
Or is that too frightening to contemplate?
there are lots of things that are frightening for me to contemplate, but none that are so frightening as to prevent me from contemplating them. This particular subject is however not one of them.

Joe
 
I do not see why this topic would warrant a ban in any way. Where is the "verbal abuse?"

I myself found the article interesting...hoaxes can be entertaining, can't they?

I don't get it?
 
This topic is not where the problems with Kieran started. If you want to understand why he/she was banned, read all of the posts he/she has posted.
 
baffledking said:
I do not see why this topic would warrant a ban in any way. Where is the "verbal abuse?"

I myself found the article interesting...hoaxes can be entertaining, can't they?

I don't get it?
Even leaving aside Kieran's other messages, on this thread alone he is very obviously and not-so-subtly denigrating this forum and its moderators.

Joe
 
Isn't it strange that an 'organisation' (for that is what it is!) that lures people into its extensive literature, website, and discussion board, based on 'channeling' and 'lizzies' (warm 'fuzzy' term for hyper-dimensional reptilian beings!) should get the vapours over a picture of a 'foetal' lizzie!

Like Ruth ... in another post ... this has been a real 'eye-opener' for me.

It should be for all of you!

StevieX
 
StevieX said:
Isn't it strange that an 'organisation' (for that is what it is!) that lures people
Lures people? How exactly does giving free access to research equal 'luring'?

sx said:
into its extensive literature, website, and discussion board, based on 'channeling' and 'lizzies' (warm 'fuzzy' term for hyper-dimensional reptilian beings!) should get the vapours over a picture of a 'foetal' lizzie!
~looks around for anyone with 'the vapours' ~

Hmmm - odd - and you know, if you've kept up with Kieran's posts, which I'm fairly sure you have, you know that this has nothing to do with the picture of a wax baby dragon - you know this, yet you put up a straw man argument to be easily knocked down. Quite telling indeed.

sx said:
Like Ruth ... in another post ... this has been a real 'eye-opener' for me.

It should be for all of you!

StevieX
Good - eye openers are really important. And the truth will set you free - just make sure it is the truth and not obfuscation and hysterical reactions to non-existent oppressors - it might help you out a bit on your path.

Stevie, there is no way to tell at this point whether you are actually examining this situation or being 'handled' by Kieran, though your posts strongly indicate the latter. I did indeed ban you temporarily for posting that tripe, but reconsidered since it may very well be that you are reacting emotionally to Kieran's prodding and therefore, you might be able to regain your bearings at some point.

Had you taken a moment to search the forum for Colleen Johnston, http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=673&p=1 you would have saved yourself some embarrassment, but you see, when we are 'handled' by someone with no discernment, we end up reacting to lies and believing them.

It is, of course, up to you whether you continue believing lies, or you move forward.

Baffledking, please take a moment to read the threads on which Kieran participated to get a full picture - that is a considerate thing to do instead of asking for explanations when they can be easily found on your own.
 
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