Please help me sort my diet out!

[Ollie]

You may like to consider sending the 'extra' book back to the vendor, who was kind enough to rectify what was seen as a fault in the vendor's delivery service.

 

[obyvatel]

Sorry luke, but to me your question seemed fundamentally audacoius! I'm really surprised so many people answered you constructively but it shows how caring, friendly and patient the growd here is. I really tried to hold back on commenting, but I just happened to read a similar quickfix question of you in the covert depression thread. To me it shows your lack of commitment and understanding of "The (real) Work", as Nienna already pointed out above. Just my 2 cents...

What is your understanding of commitment of 'The (real) work'? How did you expect people to answer? If you don't mind me asking!

Kamino essentially reiterated what Nienna and others pointed out before. This is what you wrote in response to Nienna's post

Luke, you are always wanting to take the fast approach, by getting answers cheaply by asking questions.

I didn't know this, if this is how I come across then I'll look to be more conscious about it. I admit I tend to ask some questions where the answers might be obvious or questions where it may appear like I am looking to gain other people's knowledge without going through the trouble that those people went through to get that knowledge.

I suppose what you are saying is that I should ask less questions? I suppose it appears like I am looking to divert from the struggle(?)... I do struggle but maybe not in the right ways.

So instead of turning the question back on Kamino, maybe you could take on board the feedback about how your behavior looks to others?

 

[Alada]

Luke, you are always wanting to take the fast approach, by getting answers cheaply by asking questions.

I didn't know this, if this is how I come across then I'll look to be more conscious about it. I admit I tend to ask some questions where the answers might be obvious or questions where it may appear like I am looking to gain other people's knowledge without going through the trouble that those people went through to get that knowledge.

I suppose what you are saying is that I should ask less questions? I suppose it appears like I am looking to divert from the struggle(?)... I do struggle but maybe not in the right ways.

I agree with Nienna, there can be an over hasty / frenetic quality to your posts. Maybe just relax a bit, get stuck into the Keto book, and read the thread diet threads slowly and methodically. Take time to know and understand what you going to try and do, before you try and do it - you must have heard that said around here a time or two before now surly?

Who knows, maybe your impending house move and a gradual of learning and it’s application to change your diet might reveal much about the way your machine runs now that you were unable to see before. But as M puts it, we “make haste slowly” and remember that we can’t fix everything all at once, just one thing at a time, baby steps at first and go from there.

So yeah, I agree with others there has been a ‘fix it quick’ or ‘somebody please just tell me what to do!’ thing going on, but I’ve had my moments with those myself, it can be a great temptation, rather than working to figure things out. But in the end, we do learn best by gathering knowledge and then working to try and apply that knowledge - it’s the process that can affect a change in being, not just changing what you eat from breakfast.

Nothing wrong with asking questions in general (let’s not be impatient with others here over their being impatient and asking questions!), but think about the example of Laura and guidance from the C’s, how often they have directed her to try and work things out for herself first where she could and what came along as a result of that very process.

 

[Kamino]

What is your understanding of commitment of 'The (real) work'? How did you expect people to answer? If you don't mind me asking!

On other news, it appears they delivered my book to a different house.. they guy dropped it in my house and told me so!!

Soooooooo, as of tomorrow, I will have 2 keto adapted books.... obviously, I just need one!

If anyone wants the spare copy, please let me know and I'll send it your way, free of charge!!!

Hey luke, glad you asked. I just returned from an 18h shift, so excuse me to be short with an answer. I'm a little tired and promised my nice and nephew to go swimming later

I may have assumed from the number of your posts, that you must have been here, read some for quite a time now. To me reading is assimilating knowledge, figure things out, as for me it just doesn't work to do, what others suggest. I still wouldn't know, why "I" decided to act different, commiting a change in behaviour. I need to know why, not only how. People might ask me. To be honest, often, I even don't remember in detail what I read. It's sinking in and dawning me, that what I have done in the past might not have been the best choice. I wasn't true, I was ignorant and mistaken, repeating (if possible) forbidden.
That's how I handle contradicting information emotionally, I struggle, I suffer and try the best I can to change. It's real work on the self, so learning is fun and knowledge protects.

May I ask you a counter question? Assuming you said yes, how much did you read on diet on the sott main page or here in the forum or elsewhere in the meantime, waiting on an answer to your initial call for help?

 

[Kamino]

Spelling edit: nice=niece.... they are nice anyway ;)

 

[luke wilson]

Thanks for answering my question Kamino, I didn't mean it to be as a sort of deflection but I was just curious to hear what you thought! Sometimes hearing the same thing said differently by other people helps one understand the concept better!!

May I ask you a counter question? Assuming you said yes, how much did you read on diet on the sott main page or here in the forum or elsewhere in the meantime, waiting on an answer to your initial call for help?

I would say your initial thoughts were accurate in that I was quite hasty. I was waiting to be pointed in the right direction rather than looking to find the 'way' myself. I was slightly daunted by the task ahead and didn't know where to begin... Any ways, at least from this thread I have got the keto-adapted book so something positive came from it!!

I suppose I am caught between 2 concepts, one of 1st trying before essentially networking and another of networking before trying. I suppose I do it wrong. Don't get me wrong, I take plenty of stabs in the dark in life and learn the hard way, without guidance from other people but through experimentation but also in some things maybe I also come across as a very lazy person who is unwilling to put any effort. G says we have many I's and I suppose these are some of my contradictions. Sure, I will take the risks I need to and learn the hard way. The feedback has sort of showed me that I essentially need to be 'less excitable' because when I get 'excited' I act to hastily... i.e. ask questions quickly without thinking for example.. so I just need to let the feeling of excitement dissolve before acting!!

But still, it wasn't all a lose. I got the keto book and got some feedback in the process!!

 

[Altair]

Thanks for answering my question Kamino, I didn't mean it to be as a sort of deflection but I was just curious to hear what you thought! Sometimes hearing the same thing said differently by other people helps one understand the concept better!!

May I ask you a counter question? Assuming you said yes, how much did you read on diet on the sott main page or here in the forum or elsewhere in the meantime, waiting on an answer to your initial call for help?

I would say your initial thoughts were accurate in that I was quite hasty. I was waiting to be pointed in the right direction rather than looking to find the 'way' myself. I was slightly daunted by the task ahead and didn't know where to begin... Any ways, at least from this thread I have got the keto-adapted book so something positive came from it!!

I suppose I am caught between 2 concepts, one of 1st trying before essentially networking and another of networking before trying. I suppose I do it wrong. Don't get me wrong, I take plenty of stabs in the dark in life and learn the hard way, without guidance from other people but through experimentation but also in some things maybe I also come across as a very lazy person who is unwilling to put any effort. G says we have many I's and I suppose these are some of my contradictions. Sure, I will take the risks I need to and learn the hard way. The feedback has sort of showed me that I essentially need to be 'less excitable' because when I get 'excited' I act to hastily... i.e. ask questions quickly without thinking for example.. so I just need to let the feeling of excitement dissolve before acting!!

But still, it wasn't all a lose. I got the keto book and got some feedback in the process!!

I think it's important not to act hastily in any situations (I know it from my experience). If a situation is ambiguous and you don't have enough information to take any reasonable actions then you should collect information first and not act (action bias). And you should be careful about hasty keto-adaptation as well. For some people it can take several months to get fully keto-adapted, so forcing it is of no avail.

 

[Kamino]

But still, it wasn't all a lose. I got the keto book and got some feedback in the process!!

I think it's important not to act hastily in any situations (I know it from my experience). If a situation is ambiguous and you don't have enough information to take any reasonable actions then you should collect information first and not act (action bias). And you should be careful about hasty keto-adaptation as well. For some people it can take several months to get fully keto-adapted, so forcing it is of no avail.

Luke, at least you received some condensed quality information here, on what might help to sort your diet out, I would say, so take your time to digest it ;) .

Thanks Altair, that's an important point as well. Step by step. I tend to overlook that most of this processed food is quite addictive, so to go cold turkey might not be everyone's first choice. I think for most (me included) it took years, " it's when you choose" the C's said once.

(Oh well, forgive me, but I still didn't figure out how to quote properly :/ )

 

[Minas Tirith]

I can only say from reading different threads in the Diet section and from my own experience that everyone seems to react differently to different foods.

Some people don't have issues with coffee, for example, while others get their adrenals burnt out. There are loads of food sensitivities. Some posters tolerate eggs, others don't. Some cannot even tolerate butter. Same for the supplements.

What I mean is, nobody can really give anyone else the blueprint of THE KETODIET as it is supposed to be. It is always a work in progress and it is required that one checks on oneself what goes and what doesn't. Nobody can tell anyone here what the ideal breakfast is, often one reaches it through trial and error. This trial and error, I feel, is necessary, however, and the only way to get to know the body/machine better.

M.T.

 

[Nienna]

I can only say from reading different threads in the Diet section and from my own experience that everyone seems to react differently to different foods.

Some people don't have issues with coffee, for example, while others get their adrenals burnt out. There are loads of food sensitivities. Some posters tolerate eggs, others don't. Some cannot even tolerate butter. Same for the supplements.

What I mean is, nobody can really give anyone else the blueprint of THE KETODIET as it is supposed to be. It is always a work in progress and it is required that one checks on oneself what goes and what doesn't. Nobody can tell anyone here what the ideal breakfast is, often one reaches it through trial and error. This trial and error, I feel, is necessary, however, and the only way to get to know the body/machine better.

M.T.

Yeah, one of the first things people should do is an elimination diet. Everything is explained in that link. This helps you to see which foods you are sensitive to.

That being said, the paleo - or even better the ketogenic - way of eating is great for just about everyone.

 

[Psalehesost]

I think it's important not to act hastily in any situations (I know it from my experience). If a situation is ambiguous and you don't have enough information to take any reasonable actions then you should collect information first and not act (action bias). And you should be careful about hasty keto-adaptation as well. For some people it can take several months to get fully keto-adapted, so forcing it is of no avail.

Luke, at least you received some condensed quality information here, on what might help to sort your diet out, I would say, so take your time to digest it ;) .

Thanks Altair, that's an important point as well. Step by step. I tend to overlook that most of this processed food is quite addictive, so to go cold turkey might not be everyone's first choice. I think for most (me included) it took years, " it's when you choose" the C's said once.

The idea of gradual adaptation is one of the things that has changed as of late. As pointed out in the thread Ketoadaptation - Consensus, people no longer have years - given what's coming on in the world, it's now or never.

That's why books like Keto-Adapted are so important: the information in that book allows people to adapt quickly in a successful way, knowing what they need as they proceed and why. Adaptation certainly shouldn't be pursued recklessly - it can end up quite uncomfortable, and for some, very stressful to the body - but with the needed knowledge, one can do it quickly without being reckless. And a quick adaptation done right (with the needed knowledge) can be far less uncomfortable than the dragged out process so many of us went through as we were learning first about the paleo and then about the keto diets.

Putting things in perspective, a bit of withdrawal issues should be the least of worries. Considering what we know about the damage caused by carbs, etc., and how healing a ketogenic diet is, the sooner the transition is made, the better. And if what we've learned about plagues (these things are all mentioned in the above-linked thread) turns out correct, then it can even become a matter of life and death. And on that note, the example was made in that thread about cancer patients who quickly adopted the ketogenic diet to treat their illness - and if your average cancer patient can do it, then so can we.

 

[Psalehesost]

I can only say from reading different threads in the Diet section and from my own experience that everyone seems to react differently to different foods.

Some people don't have issues with coffee, for example, while others get their adrenals burnt out. There are loads of food sensitivities. Some posters tolerate eggs, others don't. Some cannot even tolerate butter. Same for the supplements.

What I mean is, nobody can really give anyone else the blueprint of THE KETODIET as it is supposed to be. It is always a work in progress and it is required that one checks on oneself what goes and what doesn't. Nobody can tell anyone here what the ideal breakfast is, often one reaches it through trial and error. This trial and error, I feel, is necessary, however, and the only way to get to know the body/machine better.

M.T.

Yeah, one of the first things people should do is an elimination diet. Everything is explained in that link. This helps you to see which foods you are sensitive to.

That being said, the paleo - or even better the ketogenic - way of eating is great for just about everyone.

I don't think the 2010 detox diet has any relevance anymore. A significant number of things included in it are, as we say, "evil" - including the buckwheat and quinoa (various issues), fruit (sugar) and seeds (lectins). The lectins would be one really outstanding issue with that approach - it means elimination testing is never complete. There's also the recommendation of fiber which may be damaging to those with a sensitive gut.

The ketogenic diet includes an even better elimination diet from the get-go. I think, with what we have learned, that it should really be the starting point for everyone.

Once on the keto diet, further experiments can be made. For example, including or excluding eggs, and testing whether one tolerates butter, ghee or neither of them.

 

[Nienna]

The ketogenic diet includes an even better elimination diet from the get-go. I think, with what we have learned, that it should really be the starting point for everyone.

Once on the keto diet, further experiments can be made. For example, including or excluding eggs, and testing whether one tolerates butter, ghee or neither of them.

Yep, you're right! I agree! Thanks for correcting me on that, Psalehesost. :)

 

[cubbex]

Sorry luke, but to me your question seemed fundamentally audacoius! I'm really surprised so many people answered you constructively but it shows how caring, friendly and patient the growd here is. I really tried to hold back on commenting, but I just happened to read a similar quickfix question of you in the covert depression thread. To me it shows your lack of commitment and understanding of "The (real) Work", as Nienna already pointed out above. Just my 2 cents...

I'm sorry and thankful for your codependency to the forum. But who are you? you have 49 post and Luke has more, that means to me that he has tried to put himself out to network whatever necessary. Your post also has this sense or spice of superiority and merciful feeling in it.

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Luke, I don't know how your keto adaptation is going. But apart of all the help, do not forget to drink water. My coach helped me to know how much water I need:

0.6-0.7 oz per pound (lb) of bodyweight
This means that a 200lb man would drink:
200 x 0.6 = 120
200 x 0.7 = 140

This is not considering anything that makes you sweat. If you can squeeze a fresh lemon on a liter of water, and drink it, this will give you some good energy. Or you can use the method of water ionization, I haven't tried, if I do I'll let you know. Basically my teacher said you put 2 opposite magnets on your gallon of filtered water, but these magnets need to be of certain frequency or something. As it helps the water to take back that ionization that is lost in the filtering process. This is true because different brands of water have different levels of ionization, and depending on how much, the taste of it. One of the worse brands of my country is called bonafon, and the level of ionization is the lowest of all, and that water tastes nasty like a gallon of saliva. He gave me a bottle of his ionized water, and it tastes so fresh and like from the mountains.

 

[Kamino]

I'm sorry and thankful for your codependency to the forum. But who are you? you have 49 post and Luke has more, that means to me that he has tried to put himself out to network whatever necessary. Your post also has this sense or spice of superiority and merciful feeling in it.

No need to be sorry and codependency isn't the right word here. I felt this hirarchy of post counts from the first day I joined, so thanks for your reminder. In fact it prevents me from posting more. I still need to work on my sarcasm flaw as it is not really helping anyone, so thanks for your feedback.