Poland and Ukraine will turn into NeoIsrael?

neonix

Jedi Council Member
There is conspiracy theory that current Poland and Ukraine territory will be transformed in new home for Israelis if there will be big war in the Middle East, that threatens the very existence of Israel state.

And current Minister of Foreign Affairs in Poland, Witold Waszczykowski, said that defence anti-missile shield in Poland will be used for protection from the Middle East threat.

There was also many anti refugese protests in Poland. It was very odd becouse many organizations united in this protest. And Poles don't often go to streets to protest. For me it looks like that Israel don't want islamic freugees in Poland and Ukraine.

Does this theory about NeoIsrael is credible? Is there fight between Israel and USA about Poland? Is there fight between Israel and USA about Ukraine? Why USA and Israel don't like eache other? It looks like PO government with Ewa Kopacz was lead by Mossad. And PiS goverment is more likely lead by CIA. But in some areas PO and PiS they simply cooperate in law implementation of NWO.

_http://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/zarif-visits-poland-as-warsaw-tehran-build-business-ties/
_http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-1.577583
_http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/business/with-sanctions-gone-iran-kicks-off-eu-trade-drive-in-poland_41107
_http://pulaski.pl/en/irans-opening-to-the-world-possible-consequences/
 
[quote author= neonix]There is conspiracy theory that current Poland and Ukraine territory will be transformed in new home for Israelis if there will be big war in the Middle East, that threatens the very existence of Israel state.[/quote]

I am not aware of that conspiracy theory but it seems to me that it ties in with Israel playing the victim card again. That's basically how they always justify their covert and overt aggression against others who threaten their quest for domination.


[quote author= neonix]There was also many anti refugese protests in Poland. It was very odd becouse many organizations united in this protest. And Poles don't often go to streets to protest.
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It’s the same story in almost whole of Europe. Nobody ever protests. Bombing other countries, nobody cares. Take away our rights, nobody cares. Poison our food, nobody cares. I can go on and on. But when families start to flee from our terrorists and bombs and those fleeing victims end up here. The masses all rise up and call for revolution.

It’s a sign that people carry more hate than love in their hearths. Nothing more. OSIT
 
The refugees crisis is more complex than that.

For some reason, many Sunni Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE refuse to take in any refugees, claiming that the the culture of Sunni refugees is too different. On the other hand, European countries do not seem to be concerned about the cultural differences and do not even criticize the Arab monarchies for refusing to take in refugees.

I find Merkel's behaviour strange in that the official line continues to be that refugees are welcome and there are no limits to how many people the EU and Germany will take. However, at the same time they try to block the influx of refugees through a deal with Turkey.

Furthermore, allowing refugees to pick the country with the biggest government payouts is not really a good idea. Instead of just reaching a secure country, this has become a way for many who are not refugees to immigrate in a more or less uncontrolled way. The trip itself is rather expensive, which means that many of those who really need help cannot afford it anyway.
 
[quote author= axj]For some reason, many Sunni Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE refuse to take in any refugees, claiming that the the culture of Sunni refugees is too different.[/quote]

Wait, people are actually fleeying to the dark ages? I mean if you are fleeying for ISIS and are going to SA. You might as well just stay where you are. I can’t imagine that this is happening. Syrians are secular for the greatest part. It makes perfect sense that nobody would flee to the Gulf-states. But apparently I should criticize them for not doing so?


[quote author= axj]Furthermore, allowing refugees to pick the country with the biggest government payouts is not really a good idea. Instead of just reaching a secure country, this has become a way for many who are not refugees to immigrate in a more or less uncontrolled way[/quote]

That's all what I hear people say. There is absolutely no mention of the word victim ever. Only references to leeches.
 
neonix said:
There is conspiracy theory that current Poland and Ukraine territory will be transformed in new home for Israelis if there will be big war in the Middle East, that threatens the very existence of Israel state.

And current Minister of Foreign Affairs in Poland, Witold Waszczykowski, said that defence anti-missile shield in Poland will be used for protection from the Middle East threat.

There was also many anti refugese protests in Poland. It was very odd becouse many organizations united in this protest. And Poles don't often go to streets to protest. For me it looks like that Israel don't want islamic freugees in Poland and Ukraine.

Does this theory about NeoIsrael is credible? Is there fight between Israel and USA about Poland? Is there fight between Israel and USA about Ukraine? Why USA and Israel don't like each other? It looks like PO government with Ewa Kopacz was lead by Mossad. And PiS government is more likely lead by CIA. But in some areas PO and PiS they simply cooperate in law implementation of NWO.

Neonix, in your statement, "There is conspiracy theory that current Poland and Ukraine territory will be transformed in new home for Israelis if there will be big war in the Middle East, that threatens the very existence of Israel state." may only be a conspiracy theory?

Sometimes, looking back into the history between Israel and Poland relations can offer some clues. This article is back dated October 18, 1985:
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/10/18/world/hostages-hijackers-theory-crime-now-doubted-israelis-say-poles-will-restore.html

JERUSALEM, Oct. 17— Israeli officials said today that Israel and Poland would soon restore limited diplomatic relations after a break of 18 years.

The timing of the move will be determined in the ''very near future'' through a formal exchange of diplomatic notes, the Israeli officials said.

The decision by Poland to set up an interest section in Tel Aviv, and to allow some Israeli diplomats to work probably out of the Dutch Embassy in Warsaw, is viewed by Israeli officials and political analysts as another indication of the gradual thaw in relations between Israel and the Soviet Union (Gorbachev). An interest section is the lowest level of diplomatic contact, involving an exchange of official representatives with some diplomatic status, but without their own embassies or full ambassadorial privileges.

On foreign policy matters Poland strictly adheres to the ( Gorbachev) Soviet line, so it is most unlikely that Warsaw would have agreed to even this limited restoration of ties without a nod from Moscow, which led most of the Soviet-bloc countries in breaking relations with Israel after the 1967 war.

Israeli officials note that the restoration of ties with Poland grew out a meeting between Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir of Israel and Foreign Minister Stefan Olszowski of Poland at the United Nations General Assembly session in New York. During that session Mr. Shamir also met for the first time with the Foreign Ministers of Hungary and Bulgaria.

The Poles, too, apparently believe that closer ties with closer ties with Israel could somehow be helpful for them in their appeals for American financial support, Israeli officials say.

30 years forward to November 11, 2015:

Poland’s new defence minister 'agreed with antisemitic conspiracy theory'
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/149111/poland%E2%80%99s-new-defence-minister-agreed-antisemitic-conspiracy-theory

Poland’s new defence minister allegedly claimed that there is a Jewish plan to dominate the world.

The reported comments by Antoni Macierewicz, who represents the right-wing Law and Justice party, were revealed after his party secured an absolute majority in the country’s general election.

Back in 2002, Mr Macierewicz reportedly told Radio Maryjua that he read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion – an antisemitic propaganda text that purported to reveal a Jewish plan for global domination via control of the economy and media.

He told one listener: “Experience shows that there are such groups in Jewish circles.”

His comments have been condemned by anti-racist campaigners.

Polish author Rafał Pankowski said: “He is well known for his divisive, radical style of politics, which is rooted in the nationalist identity discourse of Radio Maryja.

“The political culture of Law and Justice seems strongly influenced by such discourse. It is a sad time for Polish and European democracy if the promotion of conspiracy theories is rewarded with high-level appointments.”

His comments have been condemned by anti-racist campaigners – but a spokesman for Mr Macierewicz attempted to distance him from the comments.

He said: “Mr Macierewicz condemns antisemitism in all its forms.

“Historians including Deputy Macierewicz believe that the Protocols are an antisemitic hoax.”

The spokesman went onto suggest that Mr Macierewicz read the text for academic purposes.

After the comments were exposed revealed by Polish author Rafał Pankowski, Mr Macierewicz’ office distributed an endorsement statement from American Jew Justin Schulberg, who advised the Polish minister from May to June this year. He described his party as: “One of the strongest supporters of Israel on the world stage”.

Mr Pankowski said: “He is well known for his divisive, radical style of politics, which is rooted in the nationalist identity discourse of Radio Maryja.

“The political culture of Law and Justice seems strongly influenced by such discourse. It is a sad time for Polish and European democracy if the promotion of conspiracy theories is rewarded with high-level appointments.”

The current political climate in Israel:

Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon quits claiming he can't trust Benjamin Netanyahu
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/158466/israeli-defence-minister-moshe-yaalon-quits-claiming-he-cant-trust-benjamin-n

May 20, 2016 - Moshe Yaalon has resigned as Israeli defence minister, saying that "Israel, as well as the Likud party, has been taken over by dangerous and extreme elements."

The former Chief of General Staff in the military, who was a member of the prime minister’s Likud party, will also leave the Knesset.

He explained that Likud in its present form "is not the Likud that I joined, of Jabotinsky and Begin,” criticising senior politicians who he said “have chosen incitement as means to hold on to power, rather than uniting the society.”

Avigdor Lieberman, chairman of the right-wing Yisrael Beiteinu party, has been offered the defence portfolio and is expected to take over from Mr Yaalon later today, with his party joining the coalition government.

Israeli cabinet votes in Avigdor Lieberman as new defence minister
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/158754/israeli-cabinet-votes-avigdor-lieberman-new-defence-minister

May 30, 2016 - Avigdor Lieberman has been officially approved as Israel’s new defence minister.

The current political climate in Ukraine:

Ukrainian parliament votes in Jewish prime minister
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/156825/ukrainian-parliament-votes-jewish-prime-minister

April 14, 2016 - Ukraine has its first Jewish prime minister after the parliament gave its approval for speaker Volodymyr Groysman to take the post.

Mr Groysman, 38, was voted in by a margin of 257 to 50 after MPs formally accepted the resignation of former Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

The new prime minister, Ukraine’s fifth in the last 10 years, also served as acting prime minister in 2014 after Mr Yatsenyuk first handed in his resignation, which was rejected.

Mr Groysman is a close ally of President Petro Poroshenko, having held the position of mayor in the president’s political base of Vinnytsia in west Ukraine.


Ukraine Junta Has Banned Soviet Leader Gorbachev From Entry Due To His Support For Crimea
http://novorossia.today/ukraine-junta-banned-soviet-leader-gorbachev-entry-due-support-crimea/

May 27, 2016 - The Ukraine Junta has banned former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev from entry for the next five years over his support for Russia’s seizure of Crimea, a spokeswoman for Ukraine’s State Security Service (SBU) said on Thursday.


Poroshenko Asked to Give up His Post of President for Savchenko
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/05/poroshenko-asked-to-give-up-his-post-of.html

May 25, 2016 - On the official website of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko on Wednesday, May 25th, a petition was published to appoint the pardoned in Russia Ukrainian pilot Nadezhda Savchenko as Head of State.


This article goes into more details - as to what is politically going on in Poland and Ukraine with Israel, US, UK, Canada, Saudi's and NATO at the helm. Poland's "Eastern & Southern flanks" are being used by NATO for their geopolitical and military positions against Russia, while Ukraine's borders are being used by NATO to militarize the Ukraine/Russian border.

"Eastern Flank" or monkey in the middle? Warsaw grasps at too many straws
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/05/eastern-flank-or-monkey-in-middle.html

May 22, 2016 - Preliminary preparations for the NATO summit to be held in Warsaw in July of this year have been completed on the level of coordinating strategic decisions. This was reported by the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland, Witold Waszczykowski following the meeting of the foreign ministers of the North Atlantic alliances’ member states which took place on May 19th-20th in Brussels.
The USA, UK, and Canada, according to the minister, “foresee a presence of their forces on the territory of the Eastern Flank.” He added that they assured him that there will be a military presence of soldiers and equipment in Poland: “We received an assurance that Poland’s security interests will be taken into account through a military presence, both NATO as well as American.” However, Waszczykowski refused to speak about the details, explaining that, as the Foreign Service of Polish Radio broadcasted, “all the joy” of sharing the details of the agreement will go to the Minister of Defense of Poland, Antoni Macierewicz, following the June 14th meeting of NATO member countries’ defense ministers in Brussels.

However, judging by everything, there will be little joy. Despite all of Warsaw’s attempts to put itself and the Baltic states on the frontline of “fear”, force the alliance to strengthen the so-called “Eastern Flank” of NATO by placing permanent military bases in Poland, presenting Russia as an “existential threat,” and blaming Moscow for playing a “geopolitical game” against Poland, the main focus of the alliance remains the south, the geography of which stretches from Libya to Afghanistan including the Mediterranean Sea. It is exactly to this southern flank that a large part of discussions and speeches of the participants of NATO’s member countries’ foreign ministers meeting was dedicated. Warsaw will participate in strengthening this front. As Waszczykowski confirmed, Poland will support the international coalition against Daesh (ISIS) by sending several F-16’s on patrols, although earlier the Poles wanted to limit their involvement to humanitarian missions and logistics.

Thus, the minister had to have a good attitude in a bad game. According to the head of Polish diplomacy, the decision to deploy several NATO battalions to Central and Eastern Europe “as earlier is not satisfactory” for Warsaw, but it is hoped that “for now this is enough.” Responding to the question as to whether or not he is afraid that strengthening the southern flank of the alliance would come at the expense of the “eastern,” Waszczykowski said that this is not a problem. “NATO should be in all areas and be able to see danger from 360 degrees,” the minister remarked. However, he believes that the threats emanating from the south - migrants, refugees, and terrorism - entail “considerable risks, but not such existential threats as those from the east.” However, Waszczykowski’s position is not so much shared by the alliance as a whole as it is by Washington. If NATO does not intend to play the “Russian factor” in the question of the “eastern flank,” then this potential zone of conflict is still connected to the desire of the alliance to establish a foothold in Georgia.

Military threats are usually closely intertwined with political ones. The question is which rhetoric and ideological instrument should be chosen in order to present something troubling for security in a media language. The previous Polish government, the coalition of the Civic Platform (PO) and the Polish People’s Party (PSL) resorted to “democratic values” in confrontation with Moscow and appeals to NATO. Russia was habitually accused of suppressing the democratic opposition, harassing the press and dissenters, and authoritarianism. Hence the need to “defend” Poland with NATO forces. However, the new Polish government headed by the Law and Justice Party (PiS) which has taken control of the cabinet of ministers, the Sejm, the Senate, and the presidency and has paralyzed the work of the Constitutional Tribunal could not use this technique because Warsaw itself could now be blamed for everything for which Warsaw earlier reproached Moscow.

Motley anti-government demonstrations of the disparate opposition united around the Democracy Defense Committee (KOD) periodically occur in Poland. The government is purging state and public media, first and foremost television and radio, for which PiS has been criticized by its own allies. Recently, Warsaw was rebuked by former US president Bill Clinton for building “Putinist authoritarianism” in Poland, which provoked a strong reaction from the leadership of Law and Justice as well as from the American organization Polonia. Around 100 people with Polish flags and banners reading “Hands off our democracy” picketed an election rally in support of Hillary Clinton in Chicago and promised that Clinton would not get a single vote from US citizens of Polish origin.

A “second front” has also been opened against PiS by Brussels. As the Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita (The Republic) writes, the European Commission has set a clear time frame for Warsaw to show progress in resolving the crisis with the Constitutional Tribunal. If the situation does not change before May 23rd, then the deputy head of the European Commission, Frans Timmermans, will send Brussels’ official warning to Poland. The Polish government will then have two weeks to respond. If the Polish side’s response does not satisfy the European Commission, then it will move to the next stage of the procedure which will propose a specific solution and a deadline for implementation. If Brussels’ recommendation is rejected, then it could impose sanctions on Poland or deprive it of voting rights in the Council of the European Union. The statement of Polish prime minister Beata Szydlo that “the Polish government will not submit to any ultimatum and will now allow anything to be imposed upon Poles” did little to improve the situation.

In the end, it turns out that Warsaw does not have sufficient tools to fight with Moscow on the “eastern flank,” on which a fictitious war has not broken out. “Democratic values” are not suitable due to the fact that they have acquired a double-edged nature. And Poland cannot afford to wage a “geopolitical game” against Russia…. Poland’s allies in the US, NATO, and the EU, where the nerve of world politics is today, think quite differently than Warsaw does. If the West will not wage its bet on the eastern flank, as one might expect to be decided at the Warsaw NATO summit in July, then Poland will need to rethink its priorities and update the focuses of its foreign policy. Otherwise, Warsaw is once again destined to play the role of a proxy-server over and through which leading powers will face off.
 
The European Commission is considering imposing sanctions against Poland. The reason for this step by the EU leadership is the reform of the Constitutional Court. Poland is accused of violating the principles of democracy and separation of powers. The Polish authorities, in turn, state that protecting they are protecting the country's sovereignty and are opposed to Brussels interfering in the internal affairs of Warsaw.

"Conservative" Atlanticism in Warsaw
http://katehon.com/agenda/conservative-atlanticism-warsaw

Court reform Plans to reform the Constitutional Court were adopted in Poland in late 2015. Polish authorities plan to give parliament the right to dismiss judges of the Constitutional Court from office, and give the President and the Ministry of Justice the right to complain about the judges. In addition the court will be deprived of the right to recognize the president as being unable to perform his duties. Today the European Commission published an official warning to Poland, saying that the reform shall be a "systemic risk" to the rule of law in the country.

Hide Against Brussels After coming to power in Poland, representatives of the party "Law and Justice" (President Andrzej Duda from 6th August 2015, the Prime Minister - Beata Szydlo from November 16th), in 2015, relations between Poland and the EU considerably deteriorated. The party "Law and Justice", which controls the legislative and executive branches of government, has decided to put them under the control of the judiciary. In addition, a number of reforms were undertaken in the spirit of social conservatism. In particular, the government supported the idea of a total ban of abortion. The adoption of the relevant law is expected in autumn 2016.

US Crypto-colony However, it would be wrong to interpret the current euroscepticism of the Polish authorities as an attempt to strengthen the country's sovereignty and to challenge the global hegemony of the liberals. Poland opposes Brussels, but only in order to consolidate its status as a de facto colony of Washington. Poland supports all NATO's aggressive initiatives, primarily those aimed against Russia. Poland adopted a law authorizing the stay on the territory of foreign troops, and called to increase NATO troops in the country. Poland plans to place elements of the US missile defense system on its territory, which can be used not only for protection against a nuclear attack, but also for the deployment of cruise missiles with nuclear warheads.

The Polish leadership was in favor of the signing of the transatlantic trade and investment partnership, which effectively eliminates the sovereignty of this small country in the face of multinational corporations. Opponents of this course are suppressed, which is demonstrated by the arrest of the opposition party leader Zmiana Mateusz Piskorski on ridiculous charges of espionage in favor of China.

The buffer zone In the case of Poland, we observe how the Americans are working out another scenario to consolidate their domination: through the support of right-wing pseudo-conservative regimes that exploit the same rhetoric and the ideas that are representative of anti-American sovereigntist forces. In the case of Poland, we are talking about pure geopolitics: even the liberal EU, due to geopolitical logic, needs Russia, so in order to put in its way a barrier, the US supports such a regime in Poland, which on one hand is hostile to the EU (with the conservative positions), and on the other to Russia (with the nationalist and pro-American position).


On May 18th, 2016, the well-known Polish politician Mateusz Piskorski was arrested on charg-es of spying for “third countries.” Shortly before, he wrote an article that predicted the beginning of mass political repressions against NATO opponents in Poland and Europe as a whole. He was right. Katehon presents the following exclusive translation of his article:

NATO will suppress protests in Poland
http://katehon.com/article/nato-will-suppress-protests-poland

Predictions concerning the upcoming NATO summit in July in Warsaw are beginning to clearly indicate that today the alliance’s goal is first and foremost preventing the emergence of social movements demanding the liberation of Europe from underneath the tutelage of the United States. As can be seen, the Financial Times’ inadvertent uttering of the words of one of the Polish Army’s senior commanders show just what decisions can be expected this summer. These are decisions which completely undermine not only the sovereignty of Warsaw in the field of foreign policy, but also clearly speak to the fact that from this moment on NATO is supposed to be a police force ready to participate in the pacification of eventual social protests or intervene in the affairs of domestic Polish politics.

The actual intensions of the alliance’s latest decisions were revealed honestly and in a frankly military way by Brigade General Krzysztof Krol, the commander of the Multinational Corps Northeast. The issue under consideration was the concept of the so-called NATO spearhead advocated for years by the Americans and longed for by the Polish politicians of both the for-mer and current government. Let us give the floor to the general: “The VJTF (Very High Readiness Joint Task Force) is to deal with Article 4 situations [of the North-Atlantic Treaty] and that is our intention with it.” Article 4 speaks of cooperation and consultation between member states which cannot be described as in article 5 as experiencing armed aggression against any of them, but rather subjective feelings of para-military threats. What kind of situations are we dealing with here? General Krol leaves no doubt: “The plan was developed to react to hybrid threats in our area of operation. Our plans are scaleable to the situation,” he told the Financial Times.

The concept of hybrid war or hybrid actions has blossomed as a definition of the activities of Russia following the Ukrainian revolution of 2014. But what is interesting is that to this day it has not attained any unambiguous academic interpretation and various authors and experts define its scope in different ways. In The Financial Times, however, we read that the NATO spearhead has the right to take action in the case of the destabilization of the international situation in the country triggered by, for example, public protest.

What does this mean in practice? Any internal disturbance could be treated and presented by native as well as American “spearheadologists” as part of the activities vaguely defined as hybrid war. This might lead to the case in which protests against the effects of the TTIP Agreement supported by the Polish state could be treated as “hybrid activities.” Poles’ protests against crimes committed by US Army soldiers stationed in Poland could also turn out to be “hybrid war.”

Antoni Macierewicz’s sick imagination could suggest dozens of different theories. After all, the current defense minister is so divorced from common sense that he believes that Radoslaw Sikorski, another pro-American hawk, is actually working for Moscow. Social unrests, protests, strikes, attempts to form information resources independent from the establishment, demanding transparency in the defense and foreign policies of the Polish authorities - all of these could become pretexts for one or another swing into action of advisors from NATO (mainly from the USA), who would provide “brotherly aid” to the Polish units and services subordinated to them.

In this situation, all that is left is to hope that officers and officials will not want to stay in an “oral relationship” (the colorful expression of Sikorski) with their American overlords, will remind themselves of the dignity of the Polish uniform, and send all those representatives of foreign interests “concerned about our security” far back across the Atlantic Ocean. Meanwhile, we have been left with one thing: to loudly protest and by all law-abiding means block the realization of NATO's plans which it will announce in July in Warsaw. It is also worth organizing a social movement for Poland's exit from this pact as a condition of gaining elementary state sovereignty and a real sense of security.


Commenting on the recent announcement of the Polish Defense minister that a single NATO battalion inside Poland would be enough to “deter Russian aggression,” political analyst Ivan Konovalov said that Warsaw has a certain strategy regarding NATO and is skillfully playing it out.

'Poland is Playing Its Own Game by Dragging NATO Into Its Territory'
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160602/1040679635/poland-nato-strategy.html

Polish Defence Minister Antoni Macierewicz has claimed that a single NATO battalion inside Poland would be enough to deter the so-called “Russian aggression.”

Although NATO units in the Baltics would not be able to defeat Russia in case of an invasion, they could slow down the attack while waiting for reinforcements, Macierewicz said in the interview with Defence News website.

Meanwhile, the website quotes NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who came on a visit to Poland ahead of the upcoming NATO Summit in Warsaw, as pledging support for putting troops on Polish soil, saying “let me be clear: There will be more NATO troops in Poland after the Warsaw summit (July 8-9).”

Commenting on these announcements, political analyst Ivan Konovalov told Radio Sputnik that Poland has a clear strategy with regards to NATO which it is playing very skillfully.

The core of this strategy is to become the US’s major ally in Eastern Europe,” Konovalov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, told Radio Sputnik.

He further explained that for Poland, it is a good foreign policy leverage to solve a number of issues. In addition, it means allocation of additional funds.

Poland insists on the deployment of a NATO base on its territory, which will bring in billions of US dollars per year, he said. And the deployment of a NATO missile defense base, which was recently announced, also brings good money. Money which Warsaw is counting on.

Meanwhile, he added, other NATO European member states are forced to increase their military budgets with the Baltic States topping the list.

In due time, they were joining NATO with the purpose of reducing their military expenses and, under coverage of the Alliance to focus more on economics rather than the development of thier own military forces,” Konovalov explained.

However NATO insisted that all its member states should allocate 2 per cent of their budget for military purposes, which they are trying to do, “with moans and groans,” he added.

Meanwhile, Moscow repeatedly said that the actions of the US and NATO in deploying a missile defense system in Europe pose a certain threat to regional security as well as Russia’s national security and could undermine the strategic stability in the region.

The Russian side noted more than once that the missile defense system in Eastern Europe is part of the US nuclear strategic potential stockpiled on the periphery.

The deployment of such systems violates the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF Treaty) and Moscow will be forced to take responsive measures to ensure its security.

“When we ask them directly, who are you going to deter, NATO representatives and western experts grin, get uneasy and say nothing,” Konovalov said.

Even they understand that their actions are provocative towards Russia, he said. And Russia is forced to respond through the deployment of additional units which heightens tensions in the relationship between Russia and the West. However, NATO continues to build up on Russia’s borders, he notes.
 
"Court reform Plans to reform the Constitutional Court were adopted in Poland in late 2015. Polish authorities plan to give parliament the right to dismiss judges of the Constitutional Court from office, and give the President and the Ministry of Justice the right to complain about the judges. In addition the court will be deprived of the right to recognize the president as being unable to perform his duties. Today the European Commission published an official warning to Poland, saying that the reform shall be a "systemic risk" to the rule of law in the country".

Actually it's not the case in this “conflict". The problem is that the previous PO-PSL-SLD government coalition knowing that they were going to lose in the election have chosen illegally their own judges to block all acts set by the new PIS government (they’ve wanted to have 14 their judges + only one nominated by PIS). PIS has just wanted to make it more just: 7 judges from PIS + 8 from the opposition. The only problem in this "conflict" is one man - the chief of CC - Rzepliński who breaks the law, doesn't want to cooperate, acts like a politician and sends to the European Commission ready papers with recommendations for the Polish government (!). His term finishes in December 2016.

By the way the European Commission has no legal right to make any official warning to Poland, even the lawyers from the European Parliament have agreed but they have been ignored and not debated because the chief of the European Council - Tusk (the previous prime minister in PO government) has intervened.

As for the Neoisrael conspiracy - the main interest of the Jews in Poland is MONEY who according to them Poland owes them due to holocaust - which of course is a nonsense. There are allegedly about 40 000 Israel agents in Poland trying to influence politicians and media . They have their own anti Polish newspaper for the Poles mendacious, liberal-leftist "Gazeta Wyborcza" – by the way the main info source about Poland for the mainstream media in the West...

For those who want to know more about the true Polish-Jews relations since XIV century to now I recommend the book by Ewa Kurek (in English):

_http://www.amazon.com/Polish-Jewish-Relations-1939-1945-Beyond-Solidarity/dp/1475938314
 
Kasia said:
"Court reform Plans to reform the Constitutional Court were adopted in Poland in late 2015. Polish authorities plan to give parliament the right to dismiss judges of the Constitutional Court from office, and give the President and the Ministry of Justice the right to complain about the judges. In addition the court will be deprived of the right to recognize the president as being unable to perform his duties. Today the European Commission published an official warning to Poland, saying that the reform shall be a "systemic risk" to the rule of law in the country".

[...] As for the Neoisrael conspiracy - the main interest of the Jews in Poland is MONEY who according to them Poland owes them due to holocaust - which of course is a nonsense.

[...] For those who want to know more about the true Polish-Jews relations since XIV century to now I recommend the book by Ewa Kurek (in English):

_http://www.amazon.com/Polish-Jewish-Relations-1939-1945-Beyond-Solidarity/dp/1475938314

Appreciate the correction, Kasia. It's important to get the facts - straight and weed out further disinformation as to what is happening inside Poland. Seems you have a better understanding of what is transpiring in politics and the manipulation?

From recent media reports, it seems NATO is trying to gain complete control of Poland and using the Jews and the Holocaust as one of their means of control, by bankrupting Poland in the process? Poland offers a strategic location for NATO to launch military operations against Russia and they have their eye on Georgia, in which to exert pressure on Russia. In hindsight, Poland should have never let NATO in?

Also, "Thanks" for the referral and recommendation of the book for further information.
 
"From recent media reports, it seems NATO is trying to gain complete control of Poland and using the Jews and the Holocaust as one of their means of control, by bankrupting Poland in the process?"

Such a theory circulates. About it writes for instance a great feuilletonist Stanisław Michalkiewicz. And Germany's authorities like of course such an idea.

http://www.michalkiewicz.pl/


"Poland offers a strategic location for NATO to launch military operations against Russia and they have their eye on Georgia, in which to exert pressure on Russia. In hindsight, Poland should have never let NATO in?"

Of course it shoudn't. But it's hard to say if Polish politicians are total idiots or if they are just forced to do it. Some say that the government overtly follows the rules of the US, because it must, but covertly behind the scenes it talks with Hungary and Russia...I have no idea if it's true. Time will show.
 
Kasia said:
Actually it's not the case in this “conflict". The problem is that the previous PO-PSL-SLD government coalition knowing that they were going to lose in the election have chosen illegally their own judges to block all acts set by the new PIS government (they’ve wanted to have 14 their judges + only one nominated by PIS). PIS has just wanted to make it more just: 7 judges from PIS + 8 from the opposition.

Which by itself is a joke, to put it mildly. By definition and by law, Constitutional Court is to be an independent and impartial tribunal. If there are any indications of close political associations or sympathies of any CC judge such a judge should be removed from the CC immediately. For any ruling party just them saying they want "their judges" in the Constitutional Court should result in losing their legitimacy.

So this is nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black kind of game or tug of war if you will. One can argue which party is less evil until the cows come home, but it's pointless. In fact, it's not black and white situation, it's actually black and black in the sense that none of those parties and their leaders has ever had the people's well-being on their minds. As usually, it's all about power and money, and in some more pathological cases, about their sick ambitions.

Another fact worth mentioning, just for clarity, is social support the PiS party has. Yes, it was legally elected by 37% of voters with a turnout of 50% which gives them overall support of around 19% of Polish adult population.

For those who want to know more about the true Polish-Jews relations since XIV century to now I recommend the book by Ewa Kurek (in English):

_http://www.amazon.com/Polish-Jewish-Relations-1939-1945-Beyond-Solidarity/dp/1475938314

I personally would be very cautious with taking her findings at face value. Don't know much about this particular book, but I do know where she is coming from. Ewa Kurek received her doctorate in history from the Catholic University of Lublin (KUL), eastern Poland, where Pope John Paul II taught philosophy and theology. In brief, it means investing in anti-Russia bias and all what it involves. She was a member of West-sponsored "Solidanosc" movement and to this very day, she projects all evil of communism on contemporary Russia. In one interview she said that "Vladimir Bukovsky is one of the smartest living Russians." Bukovsky, Russian dissident, is said to having been an admirer of Reagan politics and is a strong opponent of Putin. She also said that "Russia is a very dangerous empire", but afraid of "Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian solidarity". Also, "Russians have indeed complexes against the Poles, because Poland was the only nation that occupied the Kremlin."

Considering that, in her own words, Kurek studies of Russia was the first topic she was occupied with for years makes me questioning her objectivity as a historian. This may, or may not apply to the book linked by Kate, so FWIW.
 
The Polish military plans to recruit civilian volunteers to form a National Guard-style paramilitary force aimed at preparing for a "hybrid war" with Russia, the Polish Defense Ministry has announced.

Cold Warsaw: Poland Creating 35K Militia Force to Fight 'Russian Threat'
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160604/1040781515/poland-paramilitary-force-against-russia.html

The first batch of volunteers will be recruited in September, German news resource Spiegel Online has reported.

The state will pay each volunteer 500 zlotys (about €125 a month), and they will undergo regular weekend training. The volunteers will be commanded by professional soldiers.

"The territorial defense force is our response to the threat associated with hybrid warfare," Grzegorz Kwasniak, the Defense Ministry official responsible for creating the new group, said at a press conference on Thursday.

According to Spiegel, a large proportion of the volunteer corps will be concentrated around Warsaw, and in the east, near Russia; units will also be located near the German border.

Specifically, each of Poland's 16 voivodeships (regions) will receive a brigade of new troops, with the eastern voivodeship of Mazowieckie receiving two brigades.

"A special focus" will be paid to the easternmost voivodeships of Podlaskie, Lubelskie and Podkarpackie, Spiegel explained, since these are considered "particularly vulnerable to Russian pressure."

The decision on the new force's command structure and senior leadership was made in April, Spiegel noted, citing the Polish Press Agency.

Today, the German resource noted, Poland has about 12,000 paramilitary troops. Beginning next week and into mid-July, these forces will be involved in NATO's Anaconda military drills. The large scale drills will include 31,000 troops, replete with tanks, aircraft, artillery and missile defense units. Foreign policy analysts have warned that Moscow might view the drills as a prelude to a Western invasion of Russian territory.

Poland, which had earlier pushed for the deployment of permanent US and NATO bases on its territory, has come to terms with the idea of rotating NATO battalions being stationed on its territory and in the Baltic states ahead of the NATO summit in Warsaw next month.

Earlier this week, Polish Defense Minister Antoni Macierewicz suggested that one rotating battalion of NATO troops deployed on Polish territory would be sufficient to halt any Russian invasion plans, clarifying that these troops could hold down the Russians long enough for reinforcements to arrive if it ever came to war. The minister did not make clear why Russia would decide to attack Poland, a NATO member, which would effectively mark the outbreak of World War III.

Commenting on the national guard-like initiative in Spiegel Online's comments section, German readers had their doubts about its logic. One reader pointedly asked: "Can someone explain to me how one should understand the idea that Russia is 'putting pressure' on Poland's eastern provinces? The article says nothing about this. Perhaps our colleagues have in mind the small border traffic with [the Russian exclave of] Kaliningrad, which is very beneficial to the Poles economically?"

Another reader suggested that "from the military point of view, this is meaningless. From the political point of view, it's irresponsible." Another noted that the measure will only serve to fuel a military buildup: "Later, when the Russians take the necessary countermeasures, the Poles will be surprised and will again feel threatened."

Finally, one user asked whether "they are all clear-headed over there in Warsaw or what? What's with this nasty baiting? This is open imperialism. They are working at the behest of the Americans, who want to destabilize Europe and save their own skins.
 
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Kasia said:
Actually it's not the case in this “conflict". The problem is that the previous PO-PSL-SLD government coalition knowing that they were going to lose in the election have chosen illegally their own judges to block all acts set by the new PIS government (they’ve wanted to have 14 their judges + only one nominated by PIS). PIS has just wanted to make it more just: 7 judges from PIS + 8 from the opposition.

Which by itself is a joke, to put it mildly. By definition and by law, Constitutional Court is to be an independent and impartial tribunal. If there are any indications of close political associations or sympathies of any CC judge such a judge should be removed from the CC immediately. For any ruling party just them saying they want "their judges" in the Constitutional Court should result in losing their legitimacy.


14:1 and 7:8 is a joke if the judges are politicized, that's why the idea of the CC is a joke in itself. It should be dismissed but it requires the amendments in the Constitution, which is impossible at the moment.


Another fact worth mentioning, just for clarity, is social support the PiS party has. Yes, it was legally elected by 37% of voters with a turnout of 50% which gives them overall support of around 19% of Polish adult population.

So what? According to the Polish law democratic rules have been applied, the same as during the previous election won by PO-PSL-SLD coallition. Such are facts, if we like them or no..

For those who want to know more about the true Polish-Jews relations since XIV century to now I recommend the book by Ewa Kurek (in English):

_http://www.amazon.com/Polish-Jewish-Relations-1939-1945-Beyond-Solidarity/dp/1475938314

I personally would be very cautious with taking her findings at face value. Don't know much about this particular book, but I do know where she is coming from.

The book is very good. Writing about Polish-Jewish relations Kurek is really objective. The book is based mainly on the Jewish sources. As for her book on Russia (which I've also read) and her attitude towards Russia in general, one can't accuse Kurek of lack of objectivity as a historian. At this point she is impeccable I would say. Her problem is a skewed interpretation of certain facts about Russia due to her strong rational, Kantian mentality and lack of understanding the need of taking into account the mystical aspects which is necessary to understand the reality in a proper, wide, objective way + alas some influence of anti Russia propaganda. But nobody is perfect.
 
A total of 31,000 soldiers are currently taking part in the NATO military maneuver "Anaconda" in Poland. The large-scale exercise revealed the alliance's problems with logistics and infrastructure, German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung wrote.

'Anaconda' Reveals NATO Problems With Logistics, Infrastructure
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160608/1040989655/anaconda-nato-logistics.html

NATO doesn't have comprehensive data on the traffic routes it can use for heavy military equipment, the newspaper reported.

"There is a lack of information on usable railways, bridges and tunnels, especially in the new NATO member countries," the article said, referring to the representative of the alliance.

The situation is further complicated by the fact that many railways have been privatized, the newspaper noted. Moreover, there are problems with the transit of troops across countries that are not members in NATO. Obtaining the necessary permits for the transit may take about a month, as for example, in the case of the Czech Republic.

"In internal discussions US generals call for a kind of a ‘military Schengen area,' but in public the Americans avoid complaints," the newspaper noted.

The military maneuver started in Poland on Tuesday and involves 31,000 troops from 24 countries as well as about 3,000 items of military equipment. According to ZDF, with this maneuver, NATO seeks to demonstrate that it has taken Eastern European countries under its protection and send a signal of deterrence to Russia.
 
Anakonda 16: Civilian Killed in Collision With US Army Vehicle in Poland

http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-news/2016/06/08/civilian-killed-collision-us-army-vehicle-poland-military-exercise/85597986/

WARSAW, Poland — A Polish civilian was killed and one injured in a car accident involving a convoy of four US Army vehicles currently in Poland for the country's largest military exercise, the service has confirmed.

The incident occurred at 11:30 p.m. local time Tuesday.

Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, the US Army Europe commander, expressed his condolences Wednesday following a bridge-crossing exercise in Chelmno, where he told reporters of the incident.

Four Army vehicles from the 18th Combat Sustainment Support Battalion, 16th Sustainment Brigade were involved in a collision with a civilian vehicle containing two passengers, a service statement reads. The [military] vehicles were entering highway A18 near Świętoszów, Lubuskie. The Army vehicles were traveling to Torun as part of Poland's military exercise Anakonda 16, in which the US Army is playing a major role

The passenger in the car was killed and the driver was taken to a hospital in Boleslawiec, according to the Army. No US soldiers were injured but the vehicle involved in the crash was unable to continue with the convoy.

"The safety of the local population and all Exercise Anakonda participants is of utmost importance. The priority is to ensure the well-being of those involved and ensure compliance with local laws and law enforcement officials," the Army statement said.

Polish and US agencies are investigating the cause of the incident and therefore Army officials would not comment on the details of the accident.

Anakonda is a multinational exercise involving around 31,000 soldiers from 23 countries and including about 3,000 vehicles. The exercise started Monday and will continue through June 17.

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Anakonda 16: Civilian Killed in Collision With US Army Vehicle in Poland

http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-news/2016/06/08/civilian-killed-collision-us-army-vehicle-poland-military-exercise/85597986/

WARSAW, Poland — A Polish civilian was killed and one injured in a car accident involving a convoy of four US Army vehicles currently in Poland for the country's largest military exercise, the service has confirmed.

The incident occurred at 11:30 p.m. local time Tuesday.

Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, the US Army Europe commander, expressed his condolences Wednesday following a bridge-crossing exercise in Chelmno, where he told reporters of the incident.

Four Army vehicles from the 18th Combat Sustainment Support Battalion, 16th Sustainment Brigade were involved in a collision with a civilian vehicle containing two passengers, a service statement reads. The [military] vehicles were entering highway A18 near Świętoszów, Lubuskie. The Army vehicles were traveling to Torun as part of Poland's military exercise Anakonda 16, in which the US Army is playing a major role

The passenger in the car was killed and the driver was taken to a hospital in Boleslawiec, according to the Army. No US soldiers were injured but the vehicle involved in the crash was unable to continue with the convoy.


This Fort Russ article is translated from Die Welt. It claims the opposite, "the driver of a civilian car was killed and a passenger seriously injured" unless the translation or the information (itself) is wrong? No additional details.

Driving through Poland in Anaconda, US military transport kills civilian motorist
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/06/driving-through-poland-in-anaconda-us.html

Politik "Anakonda 2016" Mann stirbt durch Unfall bei Militärmanöver in Polen
http://m.welt.de/politik/ausland/article156062257/Mann-stirbt-durch-Unfall-bei-Militaermanoever-in-Polen.html

Die Welt, June 8, 2016
Translated from German by Tom Winter

In the military exercise "Anaconda" a man has been killed and his passenger seriously injured. The man died in a collision of his car with a US military transport, which was part of a convoy driving through Poland.

In the margins of the NATO military maneuver "Anaconda" a man was killed in a car accident.* According to a Polish military spokesman, the driver of a civilian car was killed and a passenger seriously injured when their car collided on a highway in western Poland with a US military transport. The transporter was part of a convoy, which was traveling as part of the military exercises.

24 NATO countries and several countries in the so-called Partnership for Peace involved, including Georgia and Ukraine are involved in the ten-day maneuvers called Anaconda 2016.

Designed for covert attack A total of 31,000 soldiers, with 3000 vehicles and tanks, 105 aircraft and helicopters and twelve ships are involved in the exercise. The Bundeswehr has sent 400 soldiers. It is the largest exercise in Eastern Europe since the end of the Cold War. The exercise will be close out shortly before the NATO summit meetings July 8 and 9.

The maneuvers, ongoing since Tuesday, are designed for a covert attack and not an official declaration of war.

Experts suggest** that Russia had applied this tactic in the annexation of the Crimean peninsula in spring 2014, as the military appeared on the peninsula without insignia and the Ukrainian soldiers were enclosed in their barracks.
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Why not "armored troop carrier accident"?
"Car accident." 3000 military vehicles and tanks, and this was a car accident.
**
"Experts suggest" (Experten vermuten) is Die Welt's equivalent of Fox News saying "Some people say." Omitting little things like the democratic voice of the people in plebiscites is, of course, par for western journalism. -- Tr.

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