Poland and Ukraine will turn into NeoIsrael?

Most part of russian people love jew Satanovsky. Because He is hard and @based@. But he talk in TV shows only about USA/Qatar link beetwen ISIS/terrorism. When someone talk about Israel @influence@, TV jews become mad or start laughing.

You can see also this _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbbtUSKU0Hg

TV company cut this episode from full video on official youtube channel :evil: _https://youtu.be/ZlNDVqiqYNY


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On Sunday, November 8 on the channel "Russia" in the program Evening with Vladimir Solovyov again converged old opponents - Senior Researcher, Institute of Oriental Studies, Russian Academy of Sciences Ruslan Kurbanov and the head of the Middle East Institute Yevgeny Satanovsky.

The discussion was devoted to discussion of the causes and consequences of the crash of the Russian airliner over Egypt. However, at the end of transmission of the measured course of the discussion was interrupted by fierce clash of two experts.

Yevgeny Satanovsky in his usual manner, tried to hint to the participants of the discussion that had studied and taught in his time in Syria, "Abu Nour" University Ruslan Kurbanov is a lawyer terrorists.

"I have long said the FSB, what you were taught in Syria", - said Eugene Satanovskiy the air. However, what could teach in this institution, based in Damascus, former Supreme Mufti of Syria Ahmad Kuftaro, Satanovskiy did not elaborate.

In response to their allegations Satanovskiy got a strong reaction from most Ruslan Kurbanov, who accused him that he has consistently and purposefully gives Israel's interests for the interests of Russia.


Caucasus expert accused the opponent that he regularly on all the TV channels has been a substitution of concepts - imposing Russian society and the state, the Israeli phobia against Muslims and Muslim countries of the East as the only possible line of Russian policy in this very sensitive field.

However, the most surprising is that after this debate was aired live on the channel "Russia" cut scene hard and clash Kurbanov Satanovsky and posted on the YouTube channel and its website a truncated version of the transmission.


However, the full version of transmission remained publicly available on a number of other sites, and was stored in its new generation of TVs lots of Russian spectators.

The only explanation for such a move on the part of the channel "Russia" can serve as a reluctance to put in a bad light in front of millions of users network their favorite expert on the Middle East.

And also the fact that the Evgeni Satanovskiy having a guide channel on a serious impact, scared straight fight with Ruslan Kurbanov, to which they invited the leading transmission Vladimir Solovyov.

Few weeks ago in Uman/Ukrain was a some accident

UMAN: Chassidim attacked LOCALS

There were even without shooting

Uman, Cherkasy region in the evening on June 11 there was an incident with the shooting from a pneumatic pistol with Hasidim and local residents, according to "DS", with reference to UNIAN. As a result of the conflict affected residents of Uman and videographer on Ukrainian television.

It is reported that Umansky police station in the evening on June 11 it was reported by a local resident in respect of acts of hooliganism by the Hasidic pilgrims in place of their compact living.

On a call went investigative team department. At the time of the incident at the scene arrived videographer one of the channels of Ukraine, which carried out the filming of the conflict. At this time, it was attacked by a group of pilgrims, with the result that he sustained injuries.

Now law enforcement officers set the circumstances of the incident with the pilgrims in Uman.

Investigation Division Uman police department for pre-qualification on these facts opened two criminal proceedings:. Under Part 1 of Art. 296 (hooliganism) and Part. 1, Art. 125 (deliberate light bodily harm) of the Criminal Code of Ukraine. Started pre-trial investigation, law enforcement officers set all the participants and eyewitnesses. Continuing investigations.


To mods: talks about Mihalkov must be put in another thread or not?
 
Kasia said:
"More than 80% of Polish-Americans voting, supported the Nazi, now president, Duda. The Telegraph called it the “Velvet Road to Dictatorship.”What would be a good start for a Nationalist/Nazi president of Poland?"


Sorry, but someone writing such a nonsense can't be treated seriously. By the way the whole article is outlandish to put it mildly...

Comparing Nazism to Polish Nationalism is abusive. Those two ideologies aren't equivalent. I would say that we full circle and the closest discribe of the situtation of Poland is the parallel 1930s (early years) Poland to 1930s (e.y.) Germany and today Poland to today USA or Israel. Considering the whole picture, not just the pop history and today media's information block.
 
macyk said:
Most part of russian people love jew Satanovsky. Because He is hard and @based@. But he talk in TV shows only about USA/Qatar link beetwen ISIS/terrorism. When someone talk about Israel @influence@, TV jews become mad or start laughing.

The same seems to be true about another popular Russian political TV analyst of Jewish origin Anatoly Vasserman: he also loves to hate the US, but I personally can't remember him ever criticising Israel.

macyk said:
To mods: talks about Mihalkov must be put in another thread or not?

I think we can let him stay here, although he is certainly a "white crow" in the company of mostly Jewish Russian political TV analysts: Satanovsky, Vasserman, Solov'ev, Pozner, Svanidze et al.

By the way, if you watched the episode which I mentioned earlier in this thread: The USSR collapsed, what next?, there has been a pretty interesting aftermath. The famous Jewish TV analyst Nikolay Svanidze went all furious about this episode accusing Mikhalkov of "quoting an antisemite" in his program. Well, actually there's nothing antisemitic in this episode whatsoever, the subject of Israel or Jews was not even touched. But Svanidze found it important to smear Mikhalkov over this and a couple of other small details in his own TV show. I just wonder, was really it about "wrong quotes" or Svanidze perhaps didn't appreciate the core message of this episode? Mikhlkov covers this incident in his next episode: Ukraine: mirror or experience?.
 
lux said:
Kasia said:
"More than 80% of Polish-Americans voting, supported the Nazi, now president, Duda. The Telegraph called it the “Velvet Road to Dictatorship.”What would be a good start for a Nationalist/Nazi president of Poland?"


Sorry, but someone writing such a nonsense can't be treated seriously. By the way the whole article is outlandish to put it mildly...

Comparing Nazism to Polish Nationalism is abusive. Those two ideologies aren't equivalent. I would say that we full circle and the closest describe of the situation of Poland is the parallel 1930s (early years) Poland to 1930s (e.y.) Germany and today Poland to today USA or Israel. Considering the whole picture, not just the pop history and today media's information block.

Comparing today's Poland to Nazi Germany is a manifestation of either pure stupidity or/and conscious, calculated hostility. It's in fact as you have written abusive. Alas, comparing today's Poland to today's US or today's Israel is a sign that you are under strong influence of anti Polish propaganda, lux...

It's obvious that Polish authorities from actually every political fraction follow the rules of the USA and NATO - which should be of course condemned, that they treat Russia with suspiciousness and animosity - which isn't wise attitude and also ought to be denounced plus that the Jewish influence in Poland is pretty strong (as actually almost everywhere), but comparing Poland to the US or Israel is also just a sick abuse.

Does the Polish police kill Poland's citizens or foreigners on the streets on a daily basis, does the Polish authorities persecute gays or other minorities (by the way Poland is the only European country where homosexualism has never been legally punished), isn't it possible to have one's own backyard vegetable garden in Poland, does Poland have collapsing banks, can people in Poland widely have guns, does Poland have capital punishment, does the Polish soldiers murder en masse the people from the Middle East, does Poland overthrow governments, does Poland finance ISIS & co, etc....

Stick to the real facts, lux (and use your own mind), not to the media facts being served by pooh! Gazeta Wyborcza & Co and then by the world's mainstream media, otherwise you will be still only a consumer of a grotesque anti Polish propaganda according to which Kaczyński or/and Duda is a new Hitler, Stalin, Putin, Erdogan, Pol Pot, Natanyahu you name it or if you want a mix of every famous evil individual....
 
Kasia said:
lux said:
Kasia said:
"More than 80% of Polish-Americans voting, supported the Nazi, now president, Duda. The Telegraph called it the “Velvet Road to Dictatorship.”What would be a good start for a Nationalist/Nazi president of Poland?"

Sorry, but someone writing such a nonsense can't be treated seriously. By the way the whole article is outlandish to put it mildly...

Comparing Nazism to Polish Nationalism is abusive. Those two ideologies aren't equivalent. I would say that we full circle and the closest describe of the situation of Poland is the parallel 1930s (early years) Poland to 1930s (e.y.) Germany and today Poland to today USA or Israel. Considering the whole picture, not just the pop history and today media's information block.

Comparing today's Poland to Nazi Germany is a manifestation of either pure stupidity or/and conscious, calculated hostility. It's in fact as you have written abusive. Alas, comparing today's Poland to today's US or today's Israel is a sign that you are under strong influence of anti Polish propaganda, lux...

Sorry, if I was not clear. I mean that relation between III Reich and II Rzeczypospolita, in the time of interwar period, was like relation, which is between today Poland and today USA&Israel. Poland now is not the same what is the USA for example, but strong rings inspired but those exist in Poland. The situation of our country is similar situation to this after 1930 when the power in Poland was in hand of right wing, Church. The general atmosphere was also "anti-emigrant" and nationalist. And no one exactly knew which country Rzeczpospolita will support, III Reich or Allies or whatever else. From the beginning Poland was influenced by Germany for years. In the end Poland was dedicated to the slaughter.

Kasia said:
Does the Polish police kill Poland's citizens or foreigners on the streets on a daily basis, does the Polish authorities persecute gays or other minorities (by the way Poland is the only European country where homosexualism has never been legally punished), isn't it possible to have one's own backyard vegetable garden in Poland, does Poland have collapsing banks, can people in Poland widely have guns, does Poland have capital punishment, does the Polish soldiers murder en masse the people from the Middle East, does Poland overthrow governments, does Poland finance ISIS & co, etc....

You are right. I just want to add that inspiring by historical evidence, I would be suspicious to those articles, which so arrogant pushing Poland to comparison country to the a'la "Nazi-State", because it look like Poland for the next time is prepared to the role of scapegoat. On the other, it may be just certain assumptions which exist in the minds of the authors of those texts and are evidence about exaggerated fears.
 
lux said:
Kasia said:
lux said:
Kasia said:
"More than 80% of Polish-Americans voting, supported the Nazi, now president, Duda. The Telegraph called it the “Velvet Road to Dictatorship.”What would be a good start for a Nationalist/Nazi president of Poland?"

Sorry, but someone writing such a nonsense can't be treated seriously. By the way the whole article is outlandish to put it mildly...

Comparing Nazism to Polish Nationalism is abusive. Those two ideologies aren't equivalent. I would say that we full circle and the closest describe of the situation of Poland is the parallel 1930s (early years) Poland to 1930s (e.y.) Germany and today Poland to today USA or Israel. Considering the whole picture, not just the pop history and today media's information block.

Comparing today's Poland to Nazi Germany is a manifestation of either pure stupidity or/and conscious, calculated hostility. It's in fact as you have written abusive. Alas, comparing today's Poland to today's US or today's Israel is a sign that you are under strong influence of anti Polish propaganda, lux...

Sorry, if I was not clear. I mean that relation between III Reich and II Rzeczypospolita, in the time of interwar period, was like relation, which is between today Poland and today USA&Israel. Poland now is not the same what is the USA for example, but strong rings inspired but those exist in Poland. The situation of our country is similar situation to this after 1930 when the power in Poland was in hand of right wing, Church. The general atmosphere was also "anti-emigrant" and nationalist. And no one exactly knew which country Rzeczpospolita will support, III Reich or Allies or whatever else. From the beginning Poland was influenced by Germany for years. In the end Poland was dedicated to the slaughter.

Kasia said:
Does the Polish police kill Poland's citizens or foreigners on the streets on a daily basis, does the Polish authorities persecute gays or other minorities (by the way Poland is the only European country where homosexualism has never been legally punished), isn't it possible to have one's own backyard vegetable garden in Poland, does Poland have collapsing banks, can people in Poland widely have guns, does Poland have capital punishment, does the Polish soldiers murder en masse the people from the Middle East, does Poland overthrow governments, does Poland finance ISIS & co, etc....

You are right. I just want to add that inspiring by historical evidence, I would be suspicious to those articles, which so arrogant pushing Poland to comparison country to the a'la "Nazi-State", because it look like Poland for the next time is prepared to the role of scapegoat. On the other, it may be just certain assumptions which exist in the minds of the authors of those texts and are evidence about exaggerated fears.

You have written:

"The situation of our country is similar situation to this after 1930 when the power in Poland was in hand of right wing, Church. The general atmosphere was also "anti-emigrant" and nationalist. And no one exactly knew which country Rzeczpospolita will support, III Reich or Allies or whatever else"

The situation of Poland in the thirties was pretty difficult, both our neighbors – Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia were not glad that Poland existed and was a sovereign country. Polish authorities were between the hammer and the anvil, so no wonder that they were acting chaotic. The Polish Catholic Church was attacked by liberal, communist, socialist and fascist forces at the same time. An unenviable situation.

As for the allegedly "general anti-emigrants atmosphere” in Poland before the II WW – it is a myth. You probably don’t know that out of 35 millions Polish citizens 12 millions were national minorities (3,5 millions Jews, 5 millions Rusins – today’s Ukrainians, Belarusians ...). If they were persecuted, the would have moved somewhere else.

Today’s supposedly “anti-emigrants” climate in Poland is also a lie. Every year Poland gives a refugee status to many foreigners, mainly to the Chechens, Tajiks and Ukrainians. In 2015 also 348 Syrians received such a status, but probably most of them have left Poland for Germany where they can receive more money. Besides in Poland live many foreigners from many other countries and nobody persecutes them.

Poland is against FORCED admission of the refugees which is understandable.

You have written:

"I would be suspicious to those articles, which so arrogant pushing Poland to comparison country to the a'la "Nazi-State", because it look like Poland for the next time is prepared to the role of scapegoat”.

Don’t you think that some hostile forces would like Poland to take refugees from Africa and the Middle East who don’t want to come to Poland and to keep them by force in “temporally closed concentration camps” as Stanisław Michałkiewcz calls them. It could be a good pretext to name Poland a Nazi state. Maybe those writing now about Poland in such a manner know that there are some plans in this matter behind the scenes prepared by some anti Poland forces.

I would recommend you to listen to or to read what Michałkiewicz is talking. He is very often righ.
 
@Kasia
The situation of Poland in the thirties was pretty difficult, both our neighbors – Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia were not glad that Poland existed and was a sovereign country. Polish authorities were between the hammer and the anvil, so no wonder that they were acting chaotic. The Polish Catholic Church was attacked by liberal, communist, socialist and fascist forces at the same time. An unenviable situation.

"Polish authorities were between the hammer and the anvil, so no wonder that they were acting chaotic." No, it's not exactly like this. This is part of what I consider as the "pop-history'. Saying that about Polish authorities were between the hammer and the anvil, is certain simplification. In fact there were groups influencing Poland not from outside but inside, and the strongest were Germans.

After 1918 Poland was just after regained independence, it was strongly divided country. Today, we have mainly plain Nation (with little minorities), what we "owe" to the Red Roller from East and that condition was maintain through the time of the Communism. In the interwar, in Poland there were no One Pole, it was "Pole from North", "Pole from South", Jews, "Orthodox Church", Rusins, such Gdansk was mostly inhabited by Germans, etc. In the minds of many "new" Poles, who accustomed to life under the foreign authority, the II Rzeczpospolita was a figment which was created in the minds of certain group of enthusiasts who want Poland ressurection. This, also, translate why Hitler such fast annex Poland in the 1939. People was devided, just those really patriotic, Catholic or just many other average people with some concience try to defend fatherland before Nazist, many of them loose their lifes. It was not the matter of the advantage in the arming, Nazis start made advanced tanks and weapons until 1942/1943 (this trend maintain to the end of war), what came with experience on the battlefield.

The most powerful Polish political camp was right wing and identified themselves as the Christians. It was similar to the most part of the Germans, who identified themselves as the Christians and as the great example of the civilised Europeans (the typical Nazi character, Germans accepted [not all] after there were no possible to step back, because of Hitler's War). This "civilization" is what (at least some part) of Poles wanted to epitmize. The main character of this time was Józef Piłsudski who want to standardize Poland to West ideas, but not necessary Nazism. Piłsudski was pro-Western. After his death in the 1935 the politic was, more or less, continued.

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Hitler on the Piłsudski's funeral.

As author of this post see, the efforts which Piłsudski&Co had to take was "standarizing" Poland, to make country to be more consistent with Germany. But they "failed", failed in the opinion of Nazis. Then Nazis take the attitude: if you are not with us, you're against us. The Polish government of the free II Rzeczypospolita, in order to, do not become just a puppet and not to become see as the traitors to Polish nation, make the alliance with Allies, the Allies answer was more or less like: okay if you want, you can be, but no preparedness, plans, promise was cleared.

That situation of Poland in the period of the interwar time is not copy/paste but is similar to what is going on in Poland right now. We are not a Nazi State or something, this is ridiculous, but we have now USA or Israel, like in the past was III Reich. Today government is like Piłsudski and his group, they were not Nazis, how now PiS or Duda aren't, but our past government and this contemporary have sins on the conscience.

Józef Piłsudski&Co were not real patriots as the Duda and PiS aren't. To search for real patriotism... hmm... maybe in the past it was Roman Dmowski, he was opponent to the Piłsudski. Dmowski was antagonist to Piłsudski's plan of expansion on East and Polonize people. Nowdays, I don't know who is the real patriot, maybe some group who respect Dmowski's thought, it's hard to say.

Poland in the past, has outmaneuvered by itself. This what can be concluded from the history, is that we are on the similar track, and again we can bring disaster on themselves. Fortunately, Russia is not the ZSRR, always a plus in all this mix-up.
 
Lux, Józef Piłsudski was a colourful figure, lucky egomaniac I would say. He actually didn't like anyone, the Poles, as well :) Duda and PIS members - are they patriots? It depends on the definition of the patriotism :) I would say they are naive, short-sighted baby boys as actually most Polish politicians...

As for Poland's situation in the thirties you can take a look at these films. Two different points of view in a certain sense:

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQIDKx3yoTA

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXxZ_IU1c2s

Time alone will tell what the Gods keep for Poland under their hats...
 
Israeli ambassador hosts Polish priest accused of anti-Semitism
http://www.jta.org/2016/09/09/news-opinion/world/israeli-ambassador-hosts-polish-priest-accused-of-anti-semitism

I live in Poland and I also noticed that activity of Embassy of Israel in Poland is increasing. Many cultural events in Poland are organized under patronage of Israel embassy.
 

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