The Living Force
Atreides said:It's really a shame that someone with such a brain as yours would use it on such a flippant pursuit as dialectic. Everything that you have said up to this point is logical and ultimately meaningless. The universe is always three steps beyond logic. This is not a high school debate club where the truth is irrelevant and only strict adherence to established rhetorical and dialectic rules count.
When people speak, behind their words is a meaning that some understand, and some do not. When a group of people come together they establish a "you know what I mean" club that is impervious to the hamfisted application of Greek argumentation.
Thanks to you and obyvatel for drawing attention to issues involving dialectic-only mentation. Personally, when that quote from David R. Hawkins' Power Vs. Force was offered as relevant, I was appalled. To me, that quote was simply a physics and social-meta-physic admixture in a single Cartesian reference frame. From a holistic point of view I read it as complete hogwash.
I hope UG will understand when I say this: I agree with the reference to "such a brain as yours". I think UG is intelligent and has interesting things to say, but it seems impossible to separate the distasteful flavor of arrogance from The Dialectic. This is not an observation of UG's person, it's just the nature of that beast, so to speak.
I feel like there are many incredibly valuable views on this thread and it would be an interesting learning experience (for me particularly) if it continued.