Professor write ups: "Why time appears to speed up with age"

[Buddy]

I'm finding it quite difficult to come near breaking out of the illusion of linear time, so I was wondering if perhaps this discussion is uncovering clues in understanding the illusion in such a way that might help.
Gonzo

I resonate pretty strongly with the idea of "time as remembrance" as suggested by Zaphod:

My feelings are, that it's actually something you perceive whilst looking back; e.g, 'Heaven's above where in God's name has the year gone?'. We can only really observe the perceived rate of passage of time once it's actually passed. It's not something we can quantify given any instantaneous snapshot.

Additionally, these are some of my thoughts on 'time', fwiw:

I wonder if we have a built-in biological 'need' to index our memories on a linear track, or if the time track simply exists due to completeness of the memory's indexing system and is simply one of many available ways to look at our experiences.

Maybe a historical shift into an agrarian society led to a fixation on the 'time track' as the most useful or convenient index since tracking the forward progression of the sun and seasons and the ability to predict repeating cycles became a matter of communication and survival?

Perhaps 'time' is just the use of the movement of objects to measure change? Sort of like taking the movement of one chosen object and making it relative with the movement of another, such as a clock with the sun.

Seems to me this might be sufficient to dispel the illusion, except that we have the subjective 'experience' of time passing due to memories being formed in a linear direction and simultaneously with all other observable cycles.

Also, it seems like if it weren't for the process of 'remembrance', time could effectively cease for someone as only the Now would likely be perceived. :)

 

[Al Today]

[...] so I was wondering if perhaps this discussion is uncovering clues in understanding the illusion in such a way that might help.
Gonzo

How about this... Time is an illusion specific to 3D and 3D only. What about an event in the future has already happened?
EXCEPT IN 3D... That is what we are. Creatures of linear time gaining experience, we think anyway. When all has been done before. Outside of 3D, well... What is a blink of an eye towards infinity?
Thanks for the topic.

 

[anart]

I wonder if we have a built-in biological 'need' to index our memories on a linear track, or if the time track simply exists due to completeness of the memory's indexing system and is simply one of many available ways to look at our experiences.

Maybe a historical shift into an agrarian society led to a fixation on the 'time track' as the most useful or convenient index since tracking the forward progression of the sun and seasons and the ability to predict repeating cycles became a matter of communication and survival?

Perhaps 'time' is just the use of the movement of objects to measure change? Sort of like taking the movement of one chosen object and making it relative with the movement of another, such as a clock with the sun.

Seems to me this might be sufficient to dispel the illusion, except that we have the subjective 'experience' of time passing due to memories being formed in a linear direction and simultaneously with all other observable cycles.

Also, it seems like if it weren't for the process of 'remembrance', time could effectively cease for someone as only the Now would likely be perceived. :)

I think it might be important to remember that we have been genetically engineered to perceive time as we do. It is hard wired into us, and, thus, it is unlikely that it is due to agrarian society or any sociological context. It is my current understanding that we perceive (are trapped within) time as we are due to limitations of perception encoded in our DNA. I think the C's referred to this as well, though I'll have to locate the reference.

 

[truth seeker]

Perhaps this is it?

Cassiopaeans:
Q: (L) At one point we were told that time was an illusion that came into being at the "time" of the "Fall" in Eden, and this was said in such a way that I inferred that there were other illusions put into place at that time...
A: Time is an illusion that works for you because of your altered DNA state.
Q: (L) Regarding the "Fall" in Eden and the loss of the Edenic state, how long ago did that happen?
A: 309000 years ago approx.
Q: (L) What was the situation... what happened... what was the state of mankind?
A: Loss of faith caused knowledge and physical restrictions by outside forces.
Q: (L) What is it that causes us to only be able to perceive time in a sequential way?
A: DNA restructuring, as in the handiwork of our friends, STS 4th density.
Q: (L) Is there any possibility of regaining or restructuring this DNA?
A: Was there, will be again.
Q: (L) We know that you have said that time is an illusion in 3rd density reality - that it is the 3rd density illusion - and it is involved with our DNA, which determines how we perceive it. So, it is an illusion. Yet, somehow, this illusion converts at some point into a solid reality via some mode or operation. I would like to know, at what point it converts and how?
A: You are off base. Who said it converts?
Q: (L) Well, we perceive a damn solid reality! There is STUFF that if you kick it, it hurts!
A: That perception is part of the illusion.
Q: (L) But, that is obviously not the TOTAL illusion. What else is a part of this illusion? If our perception is part, then there must also be something there to be perceived, correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Okay, what is it that we are perceiving?
A: That which you are programmed to perceive.
Q: (L) Is not this perception, these things we perceive as outside ourselves, are they not substance of some sort? Are they not there in some form, even if we perceive them the way we do?
A: Of course, but what does this have to do with "time?"
Q: (L) I am getting to that! We perceive a world "out there." Trees, cars, trucks, houses, bricks, boards, blocks, people, dogs etc etc etc.
A: You left out backyard barbecues!
Q: [laughter] (L) Very funny! We perceive things out there. Of what are they composed?
A: Matter.
Q: (L) Of what is matter composed?
A: Atomic structure.
Q: (L) Of what are atoms composed?
A: Thoughts.
Q: (L) Whose thoughts?
A: Yours.
Q: (L) Everything?
A: Everything.
Q: (L) If I perceive something, and everything I perceive is composed of my thoughts, and V_ is perceiving, is everything her thoughts?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What is the difference between her thoughts and my thoughts?
A: Thoughts are what binds you. You see, it is merely a program that you perceive a difference.
Q: (L) Where does the program come from?
A: Where do your programs come from? We are asking about the programs in your computer.
Q: (L) In my computer? Different places. I get them and load them in. Are programs made - do they exist like 'thought centers' - and do we just load them in ourselves?
A: Why have you forgotten? 309,000...
Q: (L) Oh. You are talking about the "takeover" by 4th density STS. But, still, the point I am trying to get to is - yes we have DNA - but you can't reprogram DNA if there is not DNA there to begin with. If there is not something to load the program into. What is the substance of this reality that we exist in?
A: You just answered. You can't load it into something if there isn't something there to begin with. Your previous DNA structure.
Q: (L) Where did the previous DNA structure come from?
A: The previous program.
Q: (L) Okay, the STO program of human beings in the Edenic state before the takeover by the Lizzies. What I want to know is: what is this process whereby thought becomes manifest as matter?
A: Bilaterally.
Q: (L) What do you mean by "bilaterally?"
A: Dual emergence.
Q: (L) Emergence into what and what?
A: Not "into what and what," but rather, "from what and to what." The beginning emerges from the end, and vice versa.
Q: (L) And what is the beginning and what is the end?
A: Union with the One. 7th density, i.e.: all that is, and is not.
Q: (L) I think you know where I am trying to go with this and I wish you would help me out just a little...
A: We are.
Q: . (A) What is the function of DNA, other than coding protein production?
A: Conductor of electricity.
Q: (L) Is that the only other function?
A: Well, as you know, electrical energy can have nearly endless applications. Examples... radio waves, neurotransceiver for thought pattern programs facilitated through electromagnetic wave transmission, etc. Method used for creation and maintenance of program illusions, such as the perception of linear time as reality.
Q: (A) Which part of a human extends into 4th density?
A: That which is effected by pituitary gland.
Q: (L) And what is that?
A: Psychic.
Q: (A) Are there some particular DNA sequences that facilitate transmission between densities?
A: Addition of strands.
Q: (L) How do you get added strands?
A: You don't get, you receive.
Q: (L) Where are they received from?
A: Interaction with upcoming wave, if vibration is aligned.
Q: (L) How do you know if this is happening?
A: Psychophysiological changes manifest.
Q: (A) Is DNA acting as a superconductor?
A: Yes!!! Variably.
Q: (A) When you speak of an upcoming wave, it is a wave of what?
A: Think of it as a wave of reflection from the beginning and end point.
Q: (A) But what vibrates? Energy? Aether?
A: Energy and aether are directly symbiotic.
Q: (A) And when it vibrates, then in which dimension?
A: The density 3 and 4 at transition junction.
Q: (A) If not in linear time, then in what?
A: Cyclical "time."
Q: (A) What measures the distance between one crest and another?
A: Ending/beginning of cycle.
Q: (L) Okay. Time is an illusion. Wonderful! Let's work with this allusion. Let us say that the ground is 7th density. How would we picture time in relation to this ground?
A: As the soil.
Q: (L) How do created beings get painted into this picture?
A: Time is your illusion.
Q: (L) Yet, on one other occasion, you said that time does exist at other densities, only that it is "selective," you can pick the time. Is that correct?
A: If you want to call it time, but it would not be the same, would it?
Q: (A) Is time multidimensional? If so, is it three-dimensional?
A: Not correct concept. Time is not a dimension. This is very complex from your standpoint, but let us just say that time is "selective," or "variable."
Q: (L) You said that time was 'selective and variable.' What, exactly, does this mean?
A: By "Selective", we mean simply to think of time as if it were like your jukebox. There are many selections there, you may play them as you choose. But you need not play them sequentially, unless that is all you know. The selections are always there, are they not?
Q: (L) Well, that is crazy! You can't just go around having things happening in random order?!
A: Random is in the eyes of the perceiver. All is eternal, time is selective. We can see the entire jukebox menu selection at all "times."
Q: (L) Alright, then. I think that from a previous session we were told that the number of universes was not countable. Is that correct?
A: Infinite, maybe, but more to the point: variable and selective.
Q: (T)Explain variable and selective, please?
A: For those who know how, universes can be created at will in order to transmodify reality merge.
Q: (L) What is a reality merge?
A: What does it sound like?
Q: (T) Merging of realities from one universe into another? A creating of a new reality which is then merged with the old to create a new universe.
A: Close.
Q: (L) Next question: if there were a sufficient number of people who were working on learning how to create an alternate reality or universe, would it seem to them that there was no real "shift" between the former one and the new one, except an internal shift of thought?
A: That is one possibility.
Q: (L) If we decided that we wanted a different world, could we, as even a small group, create that kind of world and have it seem that we hadn't...
A: We have told you thus.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/grail_3b.htm

 

[ana]

And there is also this:

Q: (L) Okay, there were this many people on the planet, how did they effect this change on all of them?
A: Light wave alteration.
Q: (L) And light waves, actual light waves, affect DNA?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) What was the origin of the light waves?
A: Our center.
Q: (L) What is your center?
A: Our realm. STO.
Q: (L) So, how did the Lizzies use the light from the Service to Others realm...
A: They used sophisticated technology to interrupt light frequency waves.

Q: (L) You said previously that time was 'selective and variable.' What, exactly, does this mean?
A: By "Selective", we mean simply to think of time as if it were like your jukebox. There are many selections there, you may play them as you choose. But you need not play them sequentially, unless that is all you know. The selections are always there, are they not?

Q: (A) I would like to know how long it takes for the transmission to come from Cassiopaea to Earth.
A: "Zero" time.
Q: (A) 'Zero time...' They transmit, using what? Electromagnetics, gravity, or what?
A: Both. They are interconnected, or you could say "unified".
Q: (A) Zero time? Because of what? Because of... structure of space/time? Of warp?
A: Space and time are selective and flexible.
Q: (A) What is behind that? What is... what is the medium behind which the transmission goes?
A: If there were a medium, your puzzlement would be justified, but, there is not. You see, when one utilizes zero time, there is zero space as well.

 

[anart]

...and (though I think there are also other mentions of it as well)

A: Ask Ark.
Q: (L) What do you want me to ask Ark?
A: Some of these questions, to see what he thinks.
Q: (L) Tell me why he is going to know these answers?
A: It is more fun to ponder the answers, rather than the whys and wherefores.
Q: (L) You guys are making me a little crazy tonight.
A: Do you want to invite Ark to the discussion?
Q: (L) Of course. (A) What is the function of DNA, other than coding protein production?
A: Conductor of electricity.
Q: (L) Is that the only other function?
A: Well, as you know, electrical energy can have nearly endless applications. Examples... radio waves, neurotransceiver for thought pattern programs facilitated through electromagnetic wave transmission, etc. Method used for creation and maintenance of program illusions, such as the perception of linear time as reality.

 

[luke wilson]

Is it correct to say the only way to escape the illusion of time is by the wave otherwise it is pretty much impossible? Because as anart says, it is inbuilt into our dna and furthermore, since no one here has experienced the 'non-illusion of no-time'(sorry for the assumption) isnt it futile going after something that we dont even know how it looks like or even what it is as our awareness is not at that level yet, not that I am saying it's wrong trying to figure it out... Maybe the better thing to do, is do everything else, like follow the path, do the work, etc etc and as a by-product one gets to be free from the illusion once one graduates if one graduates or during there interaction with the wave.

Atleast that is how I see it.

Excuse my ignorance, but what does it even mean to be free from the illusion of time? Ok wait, i'll go back abit. This is a stupid question but what exactly is the illusion of time? Is it that it isnt cyclical but instead we see it as a straight line that goes on forever? Maybe the vision of time is tied to how people view events, if events appear to be non-repeating then one can buy into the idea of linear time but if events seem to play in like a loop like on repeat and people see it that way then maybe they buy into cyclical time.
Is it to do with ageing and putting events as they happen in chronological order, so once we have experienced something, we call that the past and as we are experiencing we call it the present and what we are yet to experience we call the future? I know the Cs say everything happens simultaneously or something like that, but we are locked into just being able to experience one slice at a 'time' which is the slice right infront of us, like a car going down a road passing trees by the side and from the drivers point of view, once you pass a tree that is it, it's onto the next tree then the next and so forth - However, in an ideal world you can like stop the car, turn back and go view maybe an interesting tree you saw acouple of miles back, but from our perspective or point of awareness the car we are in, doesnt have brakes, furthermore maybe we are locked in the car so we cant get out - maybe that is why people say life is a rollercoaster ride. Is this the illusion?

How would life without the illusion be like? Wake up after a nights sleep then what?

As a side note, I have noticed whilst writing this that, maybe even the illusion is tied to how we think as my description or way of even trying to visualise this "expanded now" is severely/critically hampered with my way of thinking which is inturn tied to social/cultural programming and dna ultimately...


EDIT: Maybe the Illusion is that time is what separates things. Maybe what separates things, are choices, decisions etc etc which lead to experiences and somehow we see this experiences(or lessons? which influence 'future choices and decisions') as things taking place in "time". So if time is an illusion, what does it mean to go back or forward in time - how does this tie in to lessons?? What exists instead of time, the creator experiencing itself... So how does this tie in, how do you jump forward and backward and choose what to experience, how are all the multitudes of experiences connected to each other? This is to much to even think about.

Hmm, maybe the lizzies are playing ultimate creator, think they know everything, so by going back and forth and tinkering and all this stuff, they aim to somehow guide or influence our lessons or what we learn in the hope that at a specific point we make choices and decisions that falls right into there hands, but sadly they dont have the clear birds-eye view due to there subjectivity and by doing what they are doing they are ultimately placing judgement on creation by trying to control and subjugate it thus are doomed to fail inevitabley but the sad thing is if they gain "objectivity" inorder not to meet there ultimate end then they arent STS anymore and thus would stop doing what they do... technically what they want or are interested in, is there Food. That is the beginning and end of the story and as a result they do all what they do. They struggle and fight against creation/the universe trying to claim a part of it(those who want to be free) for themselves. Maybe it is just a huge macrocosmic ritual(this manipulation) on there part and we all know how rituals end...

 

[Buddy]

Time is an illusion that works for you because of your altered DNA state.

Q: (L) What is it that causes us to only be able to perceive time in a sequential way?
A: DNA restructuring, as in the handiwork of our friends, STS 4th density.
...
Q: (L) Okay, the STO program of human beings in the Edenic state before the takeover by the Lizzies. What I want to know is: what is this process whereby thought becomes manifest as matter?
A: Bilaterally.
Q: (L) What do you mean by "bilaterally?"
A: Dual emergence.
Q: (L) Emergence into what and what?
A: Not "into what and what," but rather, "from what and to what." The beginning emerges from the end, and vice versa.
Q: (L) And what is the beginning and what is the end?
A: Union with the One. 7th density, i.e.: all that is, and is not.
...
Q: (A) Is time multidimensional? If so, is it three-dimensional?
A: Not correct concept. Time is not a dimension. This is very complex from your standpoint, but let us just say that time is "selective," or "variable."
Q: (L) You said that time was 'selective and variable.' What, exactly, does this mean?
A: By "Selective", we mean simply to think of time as if it were like your jukebox. There are many selections there, you may play them as you choose. But you need not play them sequentially, unless that is all you know. The selections are always there, are they not?
...
Q: (L) Well, that is crazy! You can't just go around having things happening in random order?!
A: Random is in the eyes of the perceiver. All is eternal, time is selective. We can see the entire jukebox menu selection at all "times."

It is indeed fun to ponder the answers given in the sessions. Seeing all the related transcripts together like this, stimulates a lot of thinking. I agree with anart that our perception of time is not caused by or "due to agrarian society or any sociological context". It was just one of several clearly unspecified thoughts, mainly related to how the cultural and sociological context does indeed play a part in determining how deeply embedded illusions can be on the individual and collective level, OSIT.

In consideration of the above snippets, my feeling is the C's are suggesting a way of understanding that transcends the digital, on-off, black-white thinking style, yet makes use of the feedback connections we have by being a part of the Universe. Something more modal perhaps, that only an 'analog machine' can do?

It would seem the desirable way to approach the issue if bilateral (dual emergence) is to be addressed, OSIT.

Looking at this from a perspective of modal logics, perhaps we could have a 'variable' physicality context represented by an equation such as: A ? B = C and 'select out' a 'rule' that if C is odd, then the ? is a plus sign; If C is even, then the ? is a subtraction operation.

In a self-consistent system where everything is connected to everything else, and everything is in motion relative to something else, whatever holds the value of '?' is connected to whatever holds the value of 'C' forwards (to fix the value of C) and backwards (to be fixed by C). From this perspective, the purpose and use of the connections would be to find a balancing place or actual true possibility to "explore further", not a 'halt' or 'answer'.

Whoever or whatever can do this (and intuition that correctly grasps something is non-digital from what I can tell) cannot be operating in binary mode because the effect of ? and C on each other must be felt instantly. From the perspective of being conscious of what is going on, there would be no 'period of time' in which a process of applying the change (the rule) could take place (it all happens instantly) because it is not a linear sequence that can be specified. It takes a Universe in order for this to happen due to the requirement for feedback loops.

I suppose a digital machine could learn, or be programmed, to simulate this operation, but it would likely take a long 'time' due to having to model all those atoms. The closest thing we have had to an actual hardware machine that can operate on analog inputs are the old graphics rendering machines of around 30 or so years ago, OSIT.

Approaching the issue of 'time' from the perspective of a system operating on modal logics is kind of scary, actually, because I see a shadow of that 'theoretical Bennett machine' approaching. :P

 

[anart]

Looking at this from a perspective of modal logics, perhaps we could have a 'variable' physicality context represented by an equation such as: A ? B = C and 'select out' a 'rule' that if C is odd, then the ? is a plus sign; If C is even, then the ? is a subtraction operation.

In a self-consistent system where everything is connected to everything else, and everything is in motion relative to something else, whatever holds the value of '?' is connected to whatever holds the value of 'C' forwards (to fix the value of C) and backwards (to be fixed by C). From this perspective, the purpose and use of the connections would be to find a balancing place or actual true possibility to "explore further", not a 'halt' or 'answer'.

Whoever or whatever can do this (and intuition that correctly grasps something is non-digital from what I can tell) cannot be operating in binary mode because the effect of ? and C on each other must be felt instantly. From the perspective of being conscious of what is going on, there would be no 'period of time' in which a process of applying the change (the rule) could take place (it all happens instantly) because it is not a linear sequence that can be specified. It takes a Universe in order for this to happen due to the requirement for feedback loops.

Bud - that is some impressive 'wise-acring' going on... So, can you sum it up in a way that an eight year old (and I) would get your point? ;)

 

[Buddy]

Bud - that is some impressive 'wise-acring' going on... So, can you sum it up in a way that an eight year old (and I) would get your point? ;)

Eek! 'wise-acring' really not intended... :D

To put it simply, bilateral = two directions simultaneously or simultaneously interacting forward and backward directions of 'time'.

Perhaps both directions occur at the same time (the essential Now), but since our memories form in only one direction - there is the hard-coded perception of 'time'?

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Sorry, it's just the practice of trying to see relationships between cause and effect between parts of what one is seeing being arranged in many different possible ways to see if one will hold up long enough to be tested.

A musical composer or mathematician doing inductive reasoning takes a similar route, OSIT, but the essence is one of throwing all the transcripts into the mix and looking for patterns in the whole - like a DJ finding the perfect mix for the moment.

Have you heard of the soap bubble computer where the forces of tension causes the bubble (sphere) surface to draw in on itself resulting at equilibrium in a surface that automatically computes the minimum spanning surface for the given perimeter?

This is an example of an analog computer. It seems that as long as we assume a hardware-level feedback in the brain then we can understand the inductive mode of thought to provide the context in which the deductive part works. Analog and binary working together. :) OSIT


ref:
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_http://graphics.ucsd.edu/~iman/SoapBubbles/soap_bubbles_2.pdf

The world in your head: a gestalt view of the mechanism of conscious experience, By Steven Lehar, p.47
_http://books.google.com/books?id=NZgJD_05GLUC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=%22soap+bubble+computer%22&source=bl&ots=Bg2Djz4RMs&sig=NK3O4yb-_RWrX9245Z2aBU3aVF8&hl=en&ei=sBG2TI2GOcP58Aa-v7DMDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22soap%20bubble%20computer%22&f=false

 

[ana]

And, how can inductive reasoning help us here? Can we get the truth by observing a finite number of data?

 

[anart]

Bud - that is some impressive 'wise-acring' going on... So, can you sum it up in a way that an eight year old (and I) would get your point? ;)

Eek! 'wise-acring' really not intended... :D

;)

To put it simply, bilateral = two directions simultaneously or simultaneously interacting forward and backward directions of 'time'.

Perhaps both directions occur at the same time (the essential Now), but since our memories form in only one direction - there is the hard-coded perception of 'time'?

Ah, but, alas - both 'directions' are still linear! I would think that the real challenge here is to conceptualize with no linearity - but - can we do that?

 

[Buddy]

And, how can inductive reasoning help us here? Can we get the truth by observing a finite number of data?

Not really sure since the subject has yet to be resolved. :) By inductive, I mean that by considering the C's comments and the entire sensible Universe as the ground of observable phenomena, I'm just exploring connections that seem to be possible.

Have you ever looked out at the bushes, trees, and birds and just watched all the movements of Nature for awhile without thinking? If you do, maybe a moment will come when the patterns of movements of everything you can see will all of a sudden form a coherent meta-pattern as you 'discern' a vortex of air drift across the treetops. The thrill will be palpable. :)

Of course, the air is invisible, but the clues seen simultaneously allow an unmistakable, though not necessarily correct, intuition which you then might be able to investigate if possible or desirable.

Ah, but, alas - both 'directions' are still linear! I would think that the real challenge here is to conceptualize with no linearity - but - can we do that?

Perhaps something like one of M.C. Escher's spheres (as representation of the Universe?) that is perpetually turning in on itself. Would linear perception be the act of comprehending anything less than the whole at a given 'Now'?

At any rate, this is gonna be filed under Work In Progress. I suppose that will be OK for now. :D

 

[go2]

While there is some 'wise-acring' going on, may I join the party?

“Time in itself does not exist; there is only the totality of the results ensuing from all the cosmic phenomena present in a given place.” (Tales 123)

“Time in itself, no being can either understand by reason or sense by any outer or inner being function. It cannot even be sensed by any graduation of instinct which arises and is present in every more or less independent cosmic concentration.” (Tales 123)

“For the beings of the infinitesimal world also, Time flows in the same sequence in which the flow of Time is sensed by all individuals in all other cosmoses. These infinitesimal beings also, like the beings of cosmoses of other ‘scales,’ have their experiences of a definite duration for all their perceptions and manifestations; and, also, like them, they sense the flow of Time by the comparison of the duration of the phenomena around them. (Tales 124)

We are born and we die. The duration of our existence is our lifetime. It is true, time has no independent existence, however for us, it is not an illusion. If it is an illusion for me, here typing, I do not exist. The perception of the flow of time is relative and relational. The flow of time appears to accelerate as the fraction of duration of our lifetime remaining approaches zero.

Illusion is an error of perception or belief. The comparison of duration of phenomenon in a given place gives rise to a sense of flow of Time in our Brain fixed by DNA by evolutionary survival advantage. The sense of duration and sequence of images in the abstracting center of the brain is called Time. Well, I would like to say, that for us, time is a necessary illusion or else we are dead.

Edit:

Ah, but, alas - both 'directions' are still linear! I would think that the real challenge here is to conceptualize with no linearity - but - can we do that?

What about fractals?

 

[ana]

And, how can inductive reasoning help us here? Can we get the truth by observing a finite number of data?

Not really sure since the subject has yet to be resolved. :) By inductive, I mean that by considering the C's comments and the entire sensible Universe as the ground of observable phenomena, I'm just exploring connections that seem to be possible.

Have you ever looked out at the bushes, trees, and birds and just watched all the movements of Nature for awhile without thinking? If you do, maybe a moment will come when the patterns of movements of everything you can see will all of a sudden form a coherent meta-pattern as you 'discern' a vortex of air drift across the treetops. The thrill will be palpable. :)

Of course, the air is invisible, but the clues seen simultaneously allow an unmistakable, though not necessarily correct, intuition which you then might be able to investigate if possible or desirable.

But for now you are just exploring the observable phenomena of a definite time-space the ours, isn't it?
And isn't the "coherent meta-pattern as you 'discern' a vortex of air drift across the treetops" just something wich makes sense inside this(time-space)because that is how we expect things to be?
What if coherence is not an intrinsic property of the observable phenomena but a result of the observer expectations?