Programs can suck :(

[Gimpy]

It seems the more I read regarding pathocrazy (pun intended) the more ye olde programs rise up in my mind to slap me. The last few days its been very difficult to sleep, as the dreams become nightmares. Part of this is empathy, a strength and achilles heel all at once.

Two nights ago, as I lay down to try to get some rest, I had the distinct sharp sensation of having my throat cut, and bleeding out. I'd been reading Ponerology just prior to this.

No, I'm not predisposed to hallucinations, and I sat right back up and said "Knock it off. I'm not quitting."

Hubby asked me what was up and I told him. He is now concerned for my mental health. I don't think the answer is seeing a doctor, they will only make sure I'm zombified. Since reading the C's and embarking on the quest for knowledge, these program hitches are increasing. Under usual circumstances I would never speak of such things. However I am in agreement with the need for transparency, something I've worked very hard towards for half my life. (I do get head shy, its hard sometimes)

I've found Lobacewski's words on maintaining a kind of objectivity to be helpful in dealing with this, but was wondering if anyone else has suggestions for wrestling this particular pratty bogey. :)


Gimpy

determined

 

[Joe]

I've had similar experiences, although they involved a feeling of being choked by someone or thing, and a full body paralysis, until I "snapped out of it". I've heard that such night-time experiences can be something to do with "disconnecting from past life memories".

FWIW

Joe

 

[jeremyg]

It seems the more I read regarding pathocrazy (pun intended) the more ye olde programs rise up in my mind to slap me. The last few days its been very difficult to sleep, as the dreams become nightmares. Part of this is empathy, a strength and achilles heel all at once.

Two nights ago, as I lay down to try to get some rest, I had the distinct sharp sensation of having my throat cut, and bleeding out. I'd been reading Ponerology just prior to this.

And...

I've had similar experiences, although they involved a feeling of being choked by someone or thing, and a full body paralysis, until I "snapped out of it". I've heard that such night-time experiences can be something to do with "disconnecting from past life memories".

See the common factor? Both involve the throat, which is the fifth chakra. If you've read the Wave, you know that there are 4d STS beings who feed on our energy, especially fear. Guess where they connect? Right, the throat chakra, which is one designed for output, properly for your speech or outgoing communications. That makes it one of the two "easy" ones to get energy from (the other is the second chakra, the sexual center). There's a reason that vampires (discussed in Wave Book 4, IIRC) go for the throat...

It's not impossible for there to be other causes, too, like old programming or past-life memories. But IMHO those are both less likely than an actual "feeding" attack by an STS being. You are especially vulnerable at the edge of sleep, and also during meditation; both times, you are more "open" than usual. Gimpy, you mention that your empathy (another form of openness) was giving you nightmares, so there would have been fear in you... and that's their dinner bell. Joe, the body paralysis is also a way to keep the "prey" (you) quiet while feeding; choking comes because when they are pulling out energy, you'll feel like you can't breathe in air.

I asked my wife to read these posts, and she reported a similar experience during meditation, when something grabbed her by the throat. She wasn't fearful, and shook it off and threw it back. She also "saw" it (not physically), and had no doubt about its nature. It didn't bother her again.

No, I'm not predisposed to hallucinations, and I sat right back up and said "Knock it off. I'm not quitting."

Good response! If you are clear and firm, they cannot continue. Some people find that shielding, like seeing a cocoon of white light around you, provides protection. It can't hurt, but IMHO Laura has the right idea with "Knowledge protects". If you know what you are dealing with, you don't give it the power it has if you are ignorant.

Hubby asked me what was up and I told him. He is now concerned for my mental health. I don't think the answer is seeing a doctor, they will only make sure I'm zombified.

Right. Tranquilizers do shut down chakras, but that's not really protection. And that's about all most psychiatrists know. I'd avoid them entirely too. Also avoid religiously-oriented exorcists, who will mainly raise the fear level. Some, like Laura (her work before she started working with the C's), know what they are doing, but they are few and far between.

Since reading the C's and embarking on the quest for knowledge, these program hitches are increasing. Under usual circumstances I would never speak of such things. However I am in agreement with the need for transparency, something I've worked very hard towards for half my life. (I do get head shy, its hard sometimes)

I've found Lobacewski's words on maintaining a kind of objectivity to be helpful in dealing with this, but was wondering if anyone else has suggestions for wrestling this particular pratty bogey. :)

There are a few possibilities, all of which can help:
- Avoid fear. Don't just shut down, replace it with understanding. Even anger is better. Remember "Learning is fun!" even when it doesn't appear to be fun at all. Humor helps, even if it's macabre.
- Use psychic shielding. See what your intuition suggests, and use it. It might be a scarf made of armor, a bubble of light around you, a guardian standing next to you... and expect to vary it as you go along.
- When you feel anything at your throat, order it away. Refuse to give in to it. They must respect that. Be very firm, and it will back off.
- Don't talk about it to people who don't understand, even those close to you. What can happen to you if someone with "authority" decides you're "mentally ill" is unbelievable. Call it a "bad dream", or indigestion... they won't lock you up for that. Whatever you do, do not mention the STS beings to the uninformed!

All the best to you both!

 

[Joe]

It's not impossible for there to be other causes, too, like old programming or past-life memories. But IMHO those are both less likely than an actual "feeding" attack by an STS being.

Well, I would say it is difficult to state that one is more or less likely than another. It would seem to me that an "actual feeding attack" would be less likely than any of the other experiences that can be had, although it depends on what you mean exactly by "actual feeding attack".

When you feel anything at your throat, order it away. Refuse to give in to it. They must respect that. Be very firm, and it will back off.

The idea that they "must respect" anything is a little presumptuous and misses the severity of the situation IMO. As I understand it, when it gets to the point of a direct confrontation, "they" may do as they like because like all cowards, they chose their battles in such a way that they are almost assured of an easy time.

There are other things that prevent such attacks as I understand it, and I don't think just telling them to "go away" applies in all cases, perhaps not even in most. As the Cs once said, they feed on those that are "edible". They don't bother with direct attacks with those that are not "edible", and the "palatability" in this case is relative to the level and type of knowledge.

Joe

 

[jeremyg]

It's not impossible for there to be other causes, too, like old programming or past-life memories. But IMHO those are both less likely than an actual "feeding" attack by an STS being.

Well, I would say it is difficult to state that one is more or less likely than another.

That's why I said "IMHO". ;)

It would seem to me that an "actual feeding attack" would be less likely than any of the other experiences that can be had, although it depends on what you mean exactly by "actual feeding attack".

However, looking more closely, feeling strangled by a "past life memory" would require that you actually died that way in a past life. Not impossible, but not one of the more common causes of death either. Likewise, programming is much more likely to induce denial, shutdown, or fear. Note that some programming, such as MK-ULTRA, can result in a feeling of strangulation as a result of an order to "not talk", and the Masonic initiation specifically threatens a "cut throat" if you tell their secrets. So in those cases you may also get the reported symptoms, though they'd both be activated when you were talking to someone, not when you were near sleep.

Since a major focus of this particular group happens to be understanding the role of 4d STS, and denying them their food supply, I'd think that we were more likely to be targetted than most others; the C's have said as much.

What would you consider an "actual feeding attack"? I thought strangulation and bleeding out from the throat were pretty clear indicators; do you know of others?

When you feel anything at your throat, order it away. Refuse to give in to it. They must respect that. Be very firm, and it will back off.

The idea that they "must respect" anything is a little presumptuous and misses the severity of the situation IMO. As I understand it, when it gets to the point of a direct confrontation, "they" may do as they like because like all cowards, they chose their battles in such a way that they are almost assured of an easy time.

There are other things that prevent such attacks as I understand it, and I don't think just telling them to "go away" applies in all cases, perhaps not even in most.

If you have other suggestions, by all means voice them! In my experience, which is not brief ;), nonembodied beings are more restricted in this way than embodied. A mugger can still grab you if you say "go away", but if you are firm, these non-3d types cannot prevail. My wife is only one of the people I know who have done this. Have you had any different experience yourself? Do tell... I'm always open to learning more methods that work.

As the Cs once said, they feed on those that are "edible". They don't bother with direct attacks with those that are not "edible", and the "palatability" in this case is relative to the level and type of knowledge.

Exactly. As I said above, "Knowledge protects". If you look at how it protects, part of it is knowing what the limits are on 4d STS behaviors, so you know how to counter them. Your "palatability" has a lot to do with your fear level, and confidence in the effectiveness of your countermove will reduce fear, which in itself makes your move more effective. IOW, it's not that reading the information acts like a magic talisman to protect you; the protection comes because of the effect of the knowledge on your emotional state and on your choice of action.

It's like with other predators. Recently an elderly woman here fought off a mountain lion that was trying to eat her husband's head. She pounded it in the nose with the thick end of a branch, her only weapon. It let go, and she thought it was going to attack her, but held firm and it left. Had she backed off, she and her husband would both have died... If you are clear that you are not prey, predators tend to move on. Show fear, and they're all over you.

HTH!

 

[anart]

However, looking more closely, feeling strangled by a "past life memory" would require that you actually died that way in a past life. Not impossible, but not one of the more common causes of death either.

Could you please provide some data to back up this statement? As I'm reading your posts, I keep noticing that you state many, many things as being 'true', yet you don't really back up those statements with any sort of documentation, or even data that could be examined by others. You do come across with quite a bit of confidence, but whether that confidence is based on objective information, or your own subjective experiences isn't exactly clear.

Likewise, programming is much more likely to induce denial, shutdown, or fear. Note that some programming, such as MK-ULTRA, can result in a feeling of strangulation as a result of an order to "not talk", and the Masonic initiation specifically threatens a "cut throat" if you tell their secrets. So in those cases you may also get the reported symptoms, though they'd both be activated when you were talking to someone, not when you were near sleep.

Again, if you could provide some data for this statement, it would help - not your interpretation of the data, but the data itself.

Recently an elderly woman here fought off a mountain lion that was trying to eat her husband's head. She pounded it in the nose with the thick end of a branch, her only weapon.

Actually, in the interest of accuracy, she also used her husband's pen to try to poke out the mountain lion's eye - at her husband's request - so there was a bit more to that situation than presented - fwiw. ;)

 

[jeremyg]

Recently an elderly woman here fought off a mountain lion that was trying to eat her husband's head. She pounded it in the nose with the thick end of a branch, her only weapon.

Actually, in the interest of accuracy, she also used her husband's pen to try to poke out the mountain lion's eye - at her husband's request - so there was a bit more to that situation than presented - fwiw. ;)

Right. The pen broke, the cat ignored it, then she started in with the branch. I was trying to be brief. ;)
Story here, with an interesting series of comments by locals.

I'll get around to your other two queries as soon as I find the time to dig up stats on cause of death (Do you really think strangulation is in the top ten???), and find which of the six MK-ULTRA books I have on hand mentioned the breath-stopping effect. (The reason I have so many is that a friend is a survivor of it.) However, the Masonic info was from a private communication whose source I can't identify... for obvious reasons. Feel free to discount it, and note that it was actually a point against my preferred explanation, offered for the sake of completeness.

 

[Ryan]

See the common factor? Both involve the throat, which is the fifth chakra. If you've read the Wave, you know that there are 4d STS beings who feed on our energy, especially fear. Guess where they connect? Right, the throat chakra, which is one designed for output, properly for your speech or outgoing communications. That makes it one of the two "easy" ones to get energy from (the other is the second chakra, the sexual center). There's a reason that vampires (discussed in Wave Book 4, IIRC) go for the throat...

Probably a good idea to avoid stating such things as certainties when we are dealing with possibilities which are not even probabilities.

It's not impossible for there to be other causes, too, like old programming or past-life memories. But IMHO those are both less likely than an actual "feeding" attack by an STS being.

I recommend you read the thread on Opinions. They are pretty useless for determining objective reality.

You are especially vulnerable at the edge of sleep, and also during meditation; both times, you are more "open" than usual. Gimpy, you mention that your empathy (another form of openness) was giving you nightmares, so there would have been fear in you... and that's their dinner bell. Joe, the body paralysis is also a way to keep the "prey" (you) quiet while feeding; choking comes because when they are pulling out energy, you'll feel like you can't breathe in air.

What is your basis for making these statements? More opinion?

It can't hurt, but IMHO Laura has the right idea with "Knowledge protects".

IMHO she does, too, but my opinion is worth nothing. It is up to the individual to ascertain whether knowledge really does protect, or not.

Tranquilizers do shut down chakras, but that's not really protection. And that's about all most psychiatrists know.

I wasn't aware that psychiatrists all studied chakras? Sounds like a generalised, sweeping (and inaccurate) statement.

Whatever you do, do not mention the STS beings to the uninformed!

Does that include me? I'm pretty uninformed when it comes to 4D STS beings. Darn, she already mentioned it. Damn you, Gimpy! *shakes fist melodramatically in the air* ;)

 

[jeremyg]

... the Masonic initiation specifically threatens a "cut throat" if you tell their secrets.

Again, if you could provide some data for this statement, it would help - not your interpretation of the data, but the data itself.

Here you are. Turns out Google has a lot of entries about it, some 594,000 for "Masonic mind control", including this. As I said, the eyewitness who reported this to me is not willing to go public; see the first URL for the reason. :(

Of course, you may find this source questionable. Feel free to conduct your own research. In general, where I haven't cited specific sources (mainly the Wave), the information is true to the best of my knowledge based on a great deal of personal experience, which by its nature is undocumented. If you have "better" information to offer, do so. Anyone who considers my observations and opinions worthless is free to ignore them. Others may benefit. Your call.

 

[Ryan]

In general, where I haven't cited specific sources (mainly the Wave), the information is true to the best of my knowledge based on a great deal of personal experience, which by its nature is undocumented.

But you have not described any personal experiences. What experiences led you to conclude that (for instance) most psychiatrists know that tranquilizers shut down chakras? How many psychiatrists have you spoken to about this? Can you cite studies that survey the psychiatric community regarding chakras?

If you have "better" information to offer, do so.

But what you have offered is not even "information". It is to all intents and purposes, noise.

Anyone who considers my observations and opinions worthless is free to ignore them. Others may benefit.

Have you also considered the possibility that generating opinions and noise is harmful to others? For instance, prominent neocons have the "opinion" that Iran should be bombed. Should we ignore them and leave it so "others can benefit"? Or should we expose these liars and fraudsters for what they are, so that their deviant psychology does not infect others and lead to the suffering of millions?

 

[jeremyg]

Tranquilizers do shut down chakras, but that's not really protection. And that's about all most psychiatrists know.

I wasn't aware that psychiatrists all studied chakras? Sounds like a generalised, sweeping (and inaccurate) statement.

No, who said all psychiatrists study chakras? I meant that most only know how to hand out drugs! But one clinical psychologist did know about chakras, Wilson Van Dusen, who was the director of Mendocino State Hospital (in Ukiah, California; closed by Reagan, like almost all the rest of the state mental health system). This PDF of one of his journal articles is available on the Web. I happen to know it because I was the Managing Editor of the Review the previous issue (10); the draft of his paper I read stated that the tranquilizers used at that time, the phenothiazines, closed down the chakras (a term I wasn't familiar with then) so that the effects described in the paper ceased. He called it a "chemical lobotomy". The PDF isn't searchable, but the info should be in there. Google him for more info (23,700 entries); he was one of the few spiritually-conscious psychologists around in 1968... Wrote a lot of books too, look him up on Amazon. Also Google "chakras tranquilizers" for 541 related references.

Whatever you do, do not mention the STS beings to the uninformed!

Does that include me? I'm pretty uninformed when it comes to 4D STS beings.

Evidently. ;) Try reading the Wave books; I finally finished Book 4, and impatiently await the publication of Book 5.

 

[aristar]

Hello to all
What Jeremyg said is partly true but not all of it. Tranquilizers slow down the chakras and leaves you very vulnerable because your frequencies or vibrations are very low. Other products like clonazepam shut down the troat, and sacred center but put an increase of energies in the heart and solar plexus. You know, the energy is always neutral when it enters your body but it always follows "le chemin de moindre résistance".
Patricia

 

[Renaissance]

Two nights ago, as I lay down to try to get some rest, I had the distinct sharp sensation of having my throat cut, and bleeding out.

I've had a series of dreams like this too - I think around a year after finding the cass site. In the most intense one I remember, I was young - about 12 or so and being held prisoner in some man's home. I don't remember much of the details, but in the part before I woke myself from not being able to breath, a huge bee was trying to attack me and then landed on my throat. The intense sensation of suffocation ensued and I woke up. This was related to another one I had soon after where an even bigger bee attacked my throat and I felt through the suffocation that something was being sucked out of me.

I don't know if these dreams/nightmares of attacks are actually 4D direct (or even indirect) attack. I tend to think not, and if anything, I think some may be helpful messages. At least that is what I found with mine. I had these dreams at a time when I had a lot of roommates and I was often ranting to everyone about everything I was reading at the cass site. My sanity was seriously questioned. But I took the dreams as a symbol (particularly in the last and actually painful suffocation dream) that through my rants about the world, I was allowing myself to be fed upon. I was acting against others; I wanted them to change. This gap in awareness and my actions through it probably provided some good feasts. When I can to see this with the help of the dream and from reading the material on the cass site, I stopped and so did the series of dreams.

This seems to support what Joe wrote, "when it gets to the point of a direct confrontation, "they" may do as they like because like all cowards, they chose their battles in such a way that they are almost assured of an easy time."

"Their" easy battleground appears to be through our actions where you will not usually be directly notified that 'you're food'. I would not suggest expending your energy through 'light bubbles', 'guardian angels' and such types of 'protection' that jeremy suggested. These kinds of activities are not only absent of knowledge, they're absent of any wish to learn for yourself or work to understand the situation.

It would be interesting to see if you think there are any correlations with your life and my experiences. That your husband is concerned about your mental health could be one indication. In Ouspenski's, In Search of the Miraculous there is an excellent chapter on external consideration that I found to be of great help. If you have a copy it may be useful to read or reread. There's also plenty on the web about external consideration you could find if inclined.

 

[Ryan]

I meant that most only know how to hand out drugs!

Ah, OK. When you said:

Tranquilizers do shut down chakras, but that's not really protection. And that's about all most psychiatrists know.

I read your statement to say that most psychiatrists know that tranquilizers shut down chakras. Could you word things a little more clearly please? Just so the slowpokes like me don't get confused. ;)

Does that include me? I'm pretty uninformed when it comes to 4D STS beings.

Evidently. ;) Try reading the Wave books; I finally finished Book 4, and impatiently await the publication of Book 5.

I read them a while ago, but I don't see how they apply in this specific situation. Like Joe said, could have been a past-life memory thing. Or maybe just an overactive imagination? There are many possibilities. I don't see how they are less likely than a hypothetical 4D STS "attack"?

 

[Ruth]

Hello to all
What Jeremyg said is partly true but not all of it. Tranquilizers slow down the chakras and leaves you very vulnerable because your frequencies or vibrations are very low. Other products like clonazepam shut down the troat, and sacred center but put an increase of energies in the heart and solar plexus. You know, the energy is always neutral when it enters your body but it always follows "le chemin de moindre résistance".
Patricia

Hi Patricia, can you tell me where this information comes from? I'm curious as to how people do (if they do) research on things like chakras.

The only medical intuitive that I've come across (so far) is Dr Mona Lisa Shulz (via her book). Interesting woman to say the least. It seems though, that an enourmous amount of real physical (and maybe even emotional) suffering took place before she 'resurected' her intuition.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NAH/is_6_34/ai_n6181248