Programs can suck :(

[Laura]

See the common factor? Both involve the throat, which is the fifth chakra. If you've read the Wave, you know that there are 4d STS beings who feed on our energy, especially fear. Guess where they connect? Right, the throat chakra, which is one designed for output, properly for your speech or outgoing communications. That makes it one of the two "easy" ones to get energy from (the other is the second chakra, the sexual center). There's a reason that vampires (discussed in Wave Book 4, IIRC) go for the throat...

Actually, my experience as a hypnotherapist suggests that the primary cause for such experiences is pre-verbal memories of things that occur in the present life. These can be triggered by any type of input to the sensorium including smells. Stresses of a given day can "set the stage" also.

The 2nd most common cause is past life memory/experience.

3rd most common cause is what I think is atmospheric frequencies. This can range from possible gov wave-beaming experiments to accumulated emotional energy from groups of people, to concentrated mental energies focused on a person by an individual or group.

Last on the list is actual "entity" interference.

It's not impossible for there to be other causes, too, like old programming or past-life memories. But IMHO those are both less likely than an actual "feeding" attack by an STS being.

Sorry to have to contradict you on this, but as I said, over 25 years of experience working with others accessing the many layers of consciousness directly, the breakdown is as I have suggested above.

Indeed, there is quite a bit of "spirit energy" floating around if one takes the idea as a working hypothesis, and they may, indeed, have some impact on human beings, but by and large, it is minor. Direct attacks by "STS beings" is actually quite rare for a number of reasons, not the least being that failure on their part means degaussing.

Most often, "attacks" come via other people who are manipulated by the STS established control system which has been propagated by psychopaths and other pathological deviants. This propagation occurs in a quite observable and measurable 3 D manner.

You are especially vulnerable at the edge of sleep, and also during meditation;

Not any more vulnerable than you are at any other time. Vulnerability depends of the nature of your BEing which is constant at all times whether or not you are in a state of waking consciousness or not.

 

[Joe]

I'll get around to your other two queries as soon as I find the time to dig up stats on cause of death (Do you really think strangulation is in the top ten???)

You are missing the point, although it is a minor one. If we assume that a person has had many past lives, it is reasonable to assume (given the nature of life on earth) that in one of them the person died violently. There would probably be less need to "disconnect" from a non-violent past life experience than a violent one. So in their present life, any one person may have to deal with disconnecting from at least one violent death from a past life out of the possibly majority non violent past life deaths.

As Anart said, given the unknown nature of the subject matter, it would seem to be prudent for anyone to keep an open mind and not come across as presenting theories as being certain or close to it.

Joe

 

[ark]

You know, the energy is always neutral when it enters your body but it always follows "le chemin de moindre résistance".
Patricia

No, I don't know. Why should it be so? How do you define "resistance" for the energy? How do you define energy?
Moreover, there may well be different kinds of energy, and what is least resistant for one kind, may be highly resistant for another kind.
There are many examples to support such a hypothesis. So what exactly did you try to say?

 

[jeremyg]

Actually, my experience as a hypnotherapist suggests that the primary cause for such experiences is pre-verbal memories of things that occur in the present life. These can be triggered by any type of input to the sensorium including smells. Stresses of a given day can "set the stage" also.

Interesting. I hadn't really considered this possibility, but I can see it happening.

3rd most common cause is what I think is atmospheric frequencies. This can range from possible gov wave-beaming experiments to accumulated emotional energy from groups of people, to concentrated mental energies focused on a person by an individual or group.

I hadn't thought of this one either. Actually, until now I've considered the gov psychotronics a bit dubious; do you have any recommended reading sources on that?

Last on the list is actual "entity" interference. Sorry to have to contradict you on this, but as I said, over 25 years of experience working with others accessing the many layers of consciousness directly, the breakdown is as I have suggested above.

Well, you clearly have much more real experience in that area than I do, and I appreciate your spending the time to lay out your conclusions. I'll keep them in mind when evaluating such situations in the future. Thank you!

 

[Gimpy]

See the common factor? Both involve the throat, which is the fifth chakra. If you've read the Wave, you know that there are 4d STS beings who feed on our energy, especially fear. Guess where they connect? Right, the throat chakra, which is one designed for output, properly for your speech or outgoing communications. That makes it one of the two "easy" ones to get energy from (the other is the second chakra, the sexual center). There's a reason that vampires (discussed in Wave Book 4, IIRC) go for the throat...

Actually, my experience as a hypnotherapist suggests that the primary cause for such experiences is pre-verbal memories of things that occur in the present life. These can be triggered by any type of input to the sensorium including smells. Stresses of a given day can "set the stage" also.

The 2nd most common cause is past life memory/experience.

3rd most common cause is what I think is atmospheric frequencies. This can range from possible gov wave-beaming experiments to accumulated emotional energy from groups of people, to concentrated mental energies focused on a person by an individual or group.

Last on the list is actual "entity" interference.

It's not impossible for there to be other causes, too, like old programming or past-life memories. But IMHO those are both less likely than an actual "feeding" attack by an STS being.

Sorry to have to contradict you on this, but as I said, over 25 years of experience working with others accessing the many layers of consciousness directly, the breakdown is as I have suggested above.

Indeed, there is quite a bit of "spirit energy" floating around if one takes the idea as a working hypothesis, and they may, indeed, have some impact on human beings, but by and large, it is minor. Direct attacks by "STS beings" is actually quite rare for a number of reasons, not the least being that failure on their part means degaussing.

Most often, "attacks" come via other people who are manipulated by the STS established control system which has been propagated by psychopaths and other pathological deviants. This propagation occurs in a quite observable and measurable 3 D manner.

You are especially vulnerable at the edge of sleep, and also during meditation;

Not any more vulnerable than you are at any other time. Vulnerability depends of the nature of your BEing which is constant at all times whether or not you are in a state of waking consciousness or not.

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I wasn't asleep when this happened, but the last few days prior I'd been having nightmares, and since then its been hard to relax to sleep.

Of all the suggestions discussed so far, I think Laura's list is pretty fair. I'm sensitive to sound, and we have a lot of 'noise' above and below
audible hearing. (Subsonics can make me sick in movie theaters) I've had numerous past life flashes, most of them dreams, a few while wide awake. (I am not clear on how vibrations can cause something like this though)

Its been my experience that actual attacks by spirits or what have you are not as common as most folks think they are. I don't think it was an entity. If someone was 'shooting me' with bad thoughts I wouldn't know who would bother. I'm not a social butterfly by any means.

If I wasn't used to having weird things happen, yeah it would have scared me. At the time I was just tired and thinking through the page I'd read from Ponerology. I laid down and then the whole sensory thing happened. I touched my neck and knew it had to be either a memory or programmed malarky. I get vocal to break the moment.

By weird things I mean phenomena crap. Doors shutting, things falling, yadda yadda. It comes and goes. Neither hubby nor I pay it any attention.

Am I correct Laura in thinking this is just something I have to move through? My whole life I've had dreams in which I've been killed every manner imaginable, but few times when I've been awake and felt something weird. Is there a point when it stops? Or is this just part of the forging process one goes through?


Gimpy
still reading Ponerology
anyway

 

[Laura]

By weird things I mean phenomena crap. Doors shutting, things falling, yadda yadda. It comes and goes. Neither hubby nor I pay it any attention.

That suggests suppressed "stuff".

Am I correct Laura in thinking this is just something I have to move through? My whole life I've had dreams in which I've been killed every manner imaginable, but few times when I've been awake and felt something weird. Is there a point when it stops? Or is this just part of the forging process one goes through?

Well, considering your particular situation, perhaps starting off with Ponerology wasn't the best idea? I mean, it took years for the C's to prepare me for the idea of psychopaths and I was pretty open minded and had seen some really wild things.

Perhaps you should check the book section for the recommended reading list and start out with something like "In Search of the Miraculous" and Martha Stout's "Myth of Sanity" and "The Narcissistic Family".

Yes, things get better as you pass through various layers of the psyche and peel off various layers of suppression. Best thing you could do for yourself would be to get a series of good, therapeutic massages - body work is one of the best things for helping to facilitate the releasing of pre-verbal issues and past life issues as well.

Keep a dream journal too. And don't be worried about the paralysis thing. If you can concentrate and move just one tiny part of your body, like a little finger, the paralysis breaks.

 

[Gimpy]

By weird things I mean phenomena crap. Doors shutting, things falling, yadda yadda. It comes and goes. Neither hubby nor I pay it any attention.

That suggests suppressed "stuff".

Am I correct Laura in thinking this is just something I have to move through? My whole life I've had dreams in which I've been killed every manner imaginable, but few times when I've been awake and felt something weird. Is there a point when it stops? Or is this just part of the forging process one goes through?

Well, considering your particular situation, perhaps starting off with Ponerology wasn't the best idea? I mean, it took years for the C's to prepare me for the idea of psychopaths and I was pretty open minded and had seen some really wild things.

Perhaps you should check the book section for the recommended reading list and start out with something like "In Search of the Miraculous" and Martha Stout's "Myth of Sanity" and "The Narcissistic Family".

Yes, things get better as you pass through various layers of the psyche and peel off various layers of suppression. Best thing you could do for yourself would be to get a series of good, therapeutic massages - body work is one of the best things for helping to facilitate the releasing of pre-verbal issues and past life issues as well.

Keep a dream journal too. And don't be worried about the paralysis thing. If you can concentrate and move just one tiny part of your body, like a little finger, the paralysis breaks.

Nuts, and I'm just getting to grok Ponerology.

I'll try this: I'll stop reading it for the time being, and switch to a different book for a week. Then I'll try Ponerology again.
If it brings up more malarky, then I'll have a better idea what kind of content is triggering things. The massage idea sounds good, I just hope it doesn't cause the lights to explode. (I've quit explaining it, I just buy more bulbs) :) I do keep a dream journal, especially for plane crash dreams and other things.

Much thanks to everyone who posted! I'll have to work a few massages into the budget....


Gimpy
ok, next place to start hammering....:)

 

[aristar]

aristar wrote:
You know, the energy is always neutral when it enters your body but it always follows "le chemin de moindre résistance".

Hello to all
Ark, what I mean when I say the energy is always neutral, is that it is either good or bad before it enters your body, but as soon as it enters in the etheric body, it takes on your colors, your quality of energies. If the quality of you energies are of hight vibrations, then the new energies will follow that direction. If you have low vibrations, it will also follow this direction. (This is what I meant by following "le chemin de moindre résistance".
Example: Somebody could be a very good yoga teacher with a lot of spiritual knowledge and use it the proper way but he has"un point faible". Suppose he cannot control very much is sexual impulses. He has a big problem there. If he teaches to men only, no problem, the energy flow will enhance his quality of teaching but if he teaches to women and feel some attraction to one of them, the energy flow will go where the attraction is. I hope that he answer is ok. forgive my poor english.
Patricia

 

[aristar]

Hi Patricia, can you tell me where this information comes from? I'm curious as to how people do (if they do) research on things like chakras

Hello Ruth
I cannot compare my abilities to any Dr. but all I can say is I have been seeing the etheric body including chakras and the auras colors since my birth. I am also a psychologist and I have a skizophrenic son. I know just a little more than anyone else on psychic illness. I teach to three adults who also can see the energies so instead of treating the effects, we go directly to the causes. Like I said, I cannot prove anything to you because the energies we work with are subtle. But you do not have to believe me. In treating people, I see them swallow the pill and then see the effects by clairvoyance. But that does not mean that I am a better or older Soul than everybody else on the planet. I just happen to have a certain connection and structure inside my head that allows that phenomena which is not at all fun to deal with.
Patricia
Patricia

 

[jeremyg]

I cannot compare my abilities to any Dr. but all I can say is I have been seeing the etheric body including chakras and the auras colors since my birth. I am also a psychologist and I have a skizophrenic son. I know just a little more than anyone else on psychic illness. I teach to three adults who also can see the energies so instead of treating the effects, we go directly to the causes. Like I said, I cannot prove anything to you because the energies we work with are subtle. But you do not have to believe me. In treating people, I see them swallow the pill and then see the effects by clairvoyance. But that does not mean that I am a better or older Soul than everybody else on the planet. I just happen to have a certain connection and structure inside my head that allows that phenomena which is not at all fun to deal with.

If you are interested in learning about the use of the aura in medical diagnosis, it was really well documented... in 1911. Dr. Walter J. Kilner was what we would call the Radiologist (they called it Electrician ;) ) at St. Thomas' Hospital in London, and had the job of determining whether aura or the new X-ray was better as a diagnostic tool. He wrote a book, The Human Atmospere: The Aura, which I came across and studied when I was a freshman at Harvard in 1956. He had a simple procedure by which 95% of the people he tested it with could see the aura; I tried it and it works. It's not just for psychics; he thought seeing the aura was the result of a small but measurable decrease in the optical axis of the eye that made "near UV" visible.

His book was republished in 1973 under the title The Aura, ISBN 0-87728-215-3. It's out of print again, but here's one used copy for $3.95 at Powells Books (Portland, OR). It's fascinating. There has been plenty written since, including the healing books I cited previously in the Forum in this post toward the bottom. Another 171 related titles can be found in this aisle at Powells.

The dye he refers to, dicyanin, turned out to be available by mail from a German chemical house, Hoescht am Main IIRC, which I found simply by looking the name of the dye up in the Colour Index (a trade directory) at the New York public library. The German company kindly mailed me a small vial for about $US 10, which was ample for all of my experiments; it takes very little. Later I saw that some magazines advertised "Auraspecs" which used colored glass lenses for this purpose; I just used a square-sided bottle (containing dicyanin in methanol), safety goggles, and black electrical tape for mine. ;)

 

[ark]

ted in learning about the use of the aura in medical diagnosis, it was really well documented... in 1911. Dr. Walter J. Kilner was what we would call the Radiologist (they called it Electrician ;) ) at St. Thomas' Hospital in London, and had the job of determining whether aura or the new X-ray was better as a diagnostic tool. He wrote a book, The Human Atmospere: The Aura, which I came across and studied when I was a freshman at Harvard in 1956. He had a simple procedure by which 95% of the people he tested it with could see the aura; I tried it and it works. It's not just for psychics; he thought seeing the aura was the result of a small but measurable decrease in the optical axis of the eye that made "near UV" visible.

Those interested in knowing more on this subject may like to read AURAS AND AURA PHOTOGRAPHY by Dr. Carl Edwin Lindgren

 

[Adaryn]

Keep a dream journal too. And don't be worried about the paralysis thing. If you can concentrate and move just one tiny part of your body, like a little finger, the paralysis breaks.

I can testify this, it works every time ! A friend of mine taught me the "trick". Everytime I undergo a sleep paralysis, even if I'm still dreaming but I'm lucid/conscious nonetheless, I force myself to move the tip of my toes and I wake up instantly. Very convenient when you're in the middle of a nightmare.

 

[Z...]

Keep a dream journal too. And don't be worried about the paralysis thing. If you can concentrate and move just one tiny part of your body, like a little finger, the paralysis breaks.

I can testify this, it works every time ! A friend of mine taught me the "trick". Everytime I undergo a sleep paralysis, even if I'm still dreaming but I'm lucid/conscious nonetheless, I force myself to move the tip of my toes and I wake up instantly. Very convenient when you're in the middle of a nightmare.

Same here

 

[CarpeDiem]

Prayers, you gave me a push to share this. I'm taking melatonin for some time, started with 0,5 and adjusted to 3 mg daily. Few days ago i couldn't sleep for hours and was just lying in the bed quietly not to awake son sleeping next to me. I still wasn’t sleeping and then I was paralyzed of scene I saw: like i was standing in a hospital in procedures room and someone was explaining what they do with us. There was a stainless tray where they put a person, not one-piece, but 3 levels. And they methodically remove parts and tray with parts was moving just in front of me, they are interested most in spinal cord or some nerve with 2 ganglia one spherical and other like ellipse. I saw person alive but paralyzed lying on the stainless table then [ lap in memory] and then I saw his parts moving in front of me. And I saw kids moving in there and then their nerves clean moving out. I was watching paralyzed completely paralyzed and my kid was sleeping just next to me. I tried to lean towards moving away on a tray kid to take him out that nightmare and then returned into bedroom. I can’t write you more because my consciousness like erased almost everything from memory. I would have to go to a hypnotizer to remember what I saw. Humans can’t do that to humans. Mechanical de-boning of chickens. I had to share this.