Psychomantium Mirrors - Past, Present, Future?

[SeekinTruth]

I downloaded the "Cosmic Consciousness of Humanity" book PDF. Thanks for posting the link, Gawan. I'll be reading it when I get the time. I haven't read SOTT in a few days, and need to catch up, besides many other things, but I'll get to it eventually.

 

[Gonzo]

I was never really excited about the whole mirror thing, since the mirrors we have today are pretty much a modern invention and not what would have been used by any of the (old) sages,etc.

They used natural materials, polished obsidian/volcanic glass, hematite, onyx, jet, etc. IMO metal doesn't have the reflective depth of some stones.

I'm not certain the reflective properties of the "mirrors" need to be reflective in the sense of light reflection. More research will be required to understand precisely what is being reflected to determining the optimum substrate. For example, although obsidian might reflect light really well, what are it's properties on magnetism.

I don't know a lot about zero point energy, but I get the feeling that light might be but a fraction of what is being reflected, if at all, and the substrate would need to be optimal for whatever aspects of the ether are relevant.

Gonzo

 

[vinin]

This site contains English descriptions of the invention applications regarding Kozyrev Mirrors
_http://www.rexresearch.com/kaznachv/kaznachv.htm (at the end)
One particular RU2122446 links to a full application text in Russian.

 

[Gaby]

There are other videos, but they seem fragmented. I wonder if the Russian versions are more complete or is it just fragments here and there. For example this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=714IDbcZ1XM&feature=related

Where Alexander Vasilevich is discussing Kozyrev's telescope experiment, only that no background is given into this. From what I understand, Kozyrev calculated the supposed location of a star, where would it should be in the future or where it was in the past according to its trajectory. Then he directed his telescope towards "past", "present", and "future", and in all instances he was able to receive a signal.

I found a little bit more of background for the telescope experiment (in bold, the rest of the text reads like Greek to me):

_http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/tors1a.html

Theoretical Basics of Experimental Phenomena.
by Yu.V.Nachalov

Over the course of latter decades, tens of unexplainable microscopic and macroscopic effects in natural sciences and especially in physics and biology have been revealed and investigated. It should be emphasized that a large part of these phenomena were demonstrated by objects having spin or angular momentum.

In the 1940s, the soviet astrophysicist N.A.Kozyrev proposed that the rotation of stars was connected with their energy output. According to the theory developed by N.A.Kozyrev, time and rotation are closely interconnected. In order to verify his theory, N.A.Kozyrev conducted a series of experiments with spinning gyroscopes. The goal of these experiments was to make a measurement of the forces arising while the gyroscope was spinning. N.A.Kozyrev detected that the weight of the spinning gyroscope changes slightly depending on the angular velocity and the direction of rotation. The effect he discovered was not large, but the nature of the arising forces could not be explained by existing theories. N.A.Kozyrev explained the observed effect as being the manifestation of some "physical properties of time" [2,3].

In the 1970s, in order to verify N.A.Kozyrev's theory, a major research of gyroscopes and gyroscopic systems was conducted by a member of Belarus Academy of Sciences, professor A.I.Veinik. The effect discovered earlier by N.A.Kozyrev was completely confirmed.

Reported observations of gyroscope weight variations have been made repeatedly by various researchers in many countries (e.g.[5-7]). Almost in all cases the observed effects were interpreted as the manifestation of antigravitation. In 1989, H.Hayasaka and S.Takeuchi conducted a series of experiments in which the fall-time of a freely-falling spinning gyroscope was measured. They found that the fall-time varied depending on the angular velocity and the direction of rotation. H.Hayasaka and S.Takeuchi have attempted to explain the effect of antigravitation as the manifestation of torsion fields generated by the spinning gyroscope [6].

It should be noted that reports stating that the weight of a spinning gyroscope does not change are also known. Analysis of these reports shows that experimenters have simply not fulfilled the conditions required to achieve the expected effect. N.A.Kozyrev, A.I.Veinik and other researchers who obsered the change of weight emphasized repeatedly that the rotation must be non-stationary. For instance, N.A.Kozyrev and A.I.Veinik used special vibrations, and H.Hayasaka experimented with moving (falling) gyroscopes.

From the mid-50s to the late 70s, professor N.A.Kozyrev (with V.V.Nasonov) conducted astronomical observations using a receiving system of a new type. When the telescope was directed at a certain star, the detector (designed by N.A.Kozyrev and V.V.Nasonov) positioned within the telescope registered the incoming signal even if the main mirror of the telescope was shielded by metal screens. This fact indicated that electromagnetic waves (light) had some component that could not be shielded by metal screens. When the telescope was directed not at the visible but at the true position of a star, the detector then registered an incoming signal that was much stronger. The registration of the true positions of different stars could be interpreted only as registration of star radiation that had velocities billions of times greater than the speed of light. N.A.Kozyrev also found that the detector registered an incoming signal when the telescope was directed at a position symmetrical to the visible position of a star relative to it's true position. This fact was interpreted as a detection of the future positions of stars [8].

In spite of the seeming diversity, all of the experiments considered above have a certain resemblance: all of the mentioned effects are demonstrated by objects with spin or angular momentum. A.I.Veinik made tens of types of generators based on rotating masses. These generators could change their weight (Very slightly. If a mass ~1 kg is rotating with the angular velocity ~ 20.000 rpm then the "inner force" ~30*10 -5 N.), and their "chronal" fields could affect practically all physical and biological objects and could not be shielded by "usual" screens [4]. It is also useful to note V.M.Yurovitsky's patented generators which are based on spinning magnets. V.M.Yurovitsky was the first who pointed out that many phenomena could be explained as a result of manifestation of long-range fields generated by spin or angular momentum density. Later generators based on mechanically rotating magnets were developed by V.V.Bobyr and many others. As a result of a series of experiments conducted in the Institute of Material Research ("Institut problem materialovedeniya" in russian) (Kiev, Ukraine) it was established that the emanation produced by this sort of generator is able to change the inner structure of any substance (it's spin structure).

It was also established that an identical change of the structure of various substances can be achieved by "sensitives" ("psychics,") and could not be achieved by the use of other known technologies. The emanations of the developed generators was interpreted as torsion radiation [19].

In other series of experiments conducted in the Institute of Material Research, the influence of the torsion radiation on various photographs was investigated. It was established that by the use of this method it is possible to transmit information from one point of space to another [20]. (Probably the first researchers to apply this method were Albert Abrams, Curtis Upton, William Knuth, and George De La Warr.) The experimental research conducted in the Institute of Material research and at other scientific organizations was managed by the Center of non-conventional technologies under the USSR Science and Technics State Committee. These investigations were based on the so called "Theory of physical vacuum" developed by russian physicist G.I.Shipov.

From Shipov's vacuum equations, every known fundamental physical equation (Einstein's, Young-Mills', Heisenberg's, etc.) can be deduced in completely geometrised form. G.I.Shipov showed that besides the two known long-range physical fields - electromagnetic and gravitational - there exists third long-range field possessing significantly richer properties: the torsion field. The torsion field is an extremely unusual entity. First of all, the upper limit for the speed of torsion waves is estimated to be not less than 10E9 c, where c is the speed of light. Secondly, torsion fields are able to propagate in a region of space which is not limited by the light cone. That means that torsion fielda are able to propagate not only in the future but in the past as well. Thirdly, torsion fields transmit information without transmitting energy. Fourth - torsion fields are not required to follow the superposition principle [21].

Torsion fields are generated by spin (considering classical spin [22,23]) or by angular momentum. There exist both right and left torsion fields (depending on the spin orientation). Since all substances (except amorphous materials) have their own stereochemistry which determines not only the location of atoms in molecules but also determines their mutual spin orientation, then the superposition of torsion fields generated by the atomic and nuclear spins of each molecule determines the intensity of torsion field in the space surrounding each molecule. The superposition of all these torsion fields determines the intensity and spatial configuration of the characteristic torsion field of that substance. Thus each substance possesses its own characteristic torsion field.

The structure of the torsion field of every object can be changed by the influence of an external torsion field. As a result of such an influence, the new configuration of the torsion field will be fixed as a metastable state (as a polarized state) and will remain intact even after the source of the external torsion field is moved to another area of space. Thus torsion fields of certain spatial configuration can be "recorded" on any physical or biological object.

Since every permanent magnet possess not only oriented magnetic moments but also classical spins orientation as well, then every permanent magnet possess it's own torsion field. (This fact was first experimentally discovered by A.I.Veinik.) Understanding this important property of magnetic fields allows us to understand a variety of phenomena, for instance the phenomenon known as "magnetization of water".

The following fundamentally important fact should be emphasized. In the framework of the theory of electro-torsion interactions, it is shown that if electrostatic or electromagnetic fields exist in some region of space, then there always exists torsion fields in that region of space. Electrostatic or electromagnetic fields without a torsion component do not exist. On the strict level this is shown by G.I.Shipov [24]. Strong torsion fields are generated by high electrical potentials and by devices with organized circular or spiral electromagnetic processes. (Probably the first researcher to investigate torsion fields by this type of generators was Nikola Tesla. In Russia, similar results were obtained by S.V.Avramenko and others.)

Torsion fields can be generated as the result of the distortion of geometry of the physical vacuum. Every object with a certain surface geometry will simultaneously generate left and right torsion fields of a certain configuration depending on the geometry of the object. This fact can be detected by various types of physical, chemical and biological indicators. This type of manifestation of the torsion field was repeatedly observed by numerous researchers: A.I.Veinik, Yu.V.Tszyan Kanchzhen, A.A.Beridze-Stakhovsky, V.S.Grebennikov, I.M.Shakhparonov and many others in Russia and various researchers in other countries [25-31]. Later an experimental investigation of the torsion fields generated by objects with different geometry of surface was conducted by the group of A.E.Akimov at the Physics Institute of the Ukraine Academy of Sciences and at Chernovitsky University [32].

The extremely unusual properties and possibilities demonstrated by torsion field generators allowed the development of new approaches to the interpretation of various phenomena, including ESP and PK. From the late 80s till the late 90s, major experimental investigations were conducted that confirmed the theoretical predictions. It was established that torsion generators allow us not only to replicate all "phenomena" demonstrated by so called "psychics," but they also are able to demonstrate effects that were never demonstrated by any "psychic".

Yu.V.Nachalov

 

[Guardian]

"Getting reliable information" is, of course, the first order of business. So, the research must begin!!!

If I recall correctly, some Swedes built an EM mirror, and when they wiggled it real fast, it created protons out of "nothing" ..or so they think?

Would research like that relate?

 

[Windmill knight]

I downloaded the "Cosmic Consciousness of Humanity" book PDF. Thanks for posting the link, Gawan. I'll be reading it when I get the time. I haven't read SOTT in a few days, and need to catch up, besides many other things, but I'll get to it eventually.

Yes Gawan, thanks for finding that link! I've downloaded it as well, and I just watched the video (thanks Laura). I find it all very intriguing, and I can't resist the curiosity... I think I know what I'll be doing on Christmas day. (Reading, that is). ;)

By the way, someone posted recently on the forum a link to a documentary about experimental seances (can't remember the name). One thing that relates to this is that the 'dead dudes' who were 'instructing' the experimenters asked them to place a video camera in front of mirrors reflecting in such a way that the image recorded would be the viewfinder of the camera, so as making a sort of 'infinite loop'. When they did, the video captured all sorts of bizarre stuff, including images of what looked like creepy gray aliens!

Information Space, fascinating, especially in light of Jacques Vallee's lecture at TEDx on the physics of information. "I" think informational physics is more fundamental to reality than matter/energy physics, simply because information is what tells matter/energy what to be, how to act, etc. So all these "advancements" that scientists have made in atomic physics, biochemical pathways of physiological processes, etc, in this light can be seen as the Neanderthal, playing on the surface of his little sand box. :D While the truly great treasures, lie much deeper.

I thought of Vallee's presentation too! Information is the stuff of the Universe, perhaps...

 

[dant]

I downloaded the "Cosmic Consciousness of Humanity" book PDF. Thanks for posting the link, Gawan. I'll be reading it when I get the time. I haven't read SOTT in a few days, and need to catch up, besides many other things, but I'll get to it eventually.

I am reading it now... many terms needs to be known to understand this document!

stumbling block:
sophiological -> (greek) sophia definition?
There are different definitions: wisdom (depending on context), and idea...
and google is not helpful!

 

[bngenoh]

Yes Gawan, thanks for finding that link! I've downloaded it as well, and I just watched the video (thanks Laura). I find it all very intriguing, and I can't resist the curiosity... I think I know what I'll be doing on Christmas day. (Reading, that is). ;)

Me too.
Gawan & Uralsky, thanks a million for finding those links, don't know if i'll be able to sleep know :D.

As to what psyche posted especially about gyroscopes, angular momentum, rotation, & spin, it reminded me of professor Eric Laithwaite's work with gyroscopes, he also interpreted it as a slight loss of mass. Excellent lecture here: http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp

Interesting that it is a christmas lecture, Universe speaking anyone? :D

 

[davey72]

Uh ohhh, I REALLY hope this doesn't go viral. If the masses start playing with mirrors and alearn what we're actually living in/with, they're gonna totally freak. I don't think the "Dancing with the Stars" crowd is ready to see all what's really here.

LOL!

Well, obviously, I'm going to be getting back to the psychomantium project and, as ya'll can guess, QFG has another research project to consider with possible help from volunteers. We'll be looking at the engineering issues and getting some reliable details before jumping in the deep end.

I would sure love to donate my time for anything cassiopaea related. Would be nice if i had a worthy skill,but anything i could possibly do would make mw feel like i am earning my knowledge. Perhaps something in a geographical way?

 

[Meager1]

I suspect the whole thing has similar limitations to attempts at using a board: GIGO (garbage in, garbage out)!

Messing around with that sort of thing when you have no idea what you're doing is not a wise move. It's possible that if there is something to this Kozyrev mirror business, even the scientists doing those experiments didn't realize what they were actually doing.

So, first more research, then some experiments if it looks good...

I agree, caution is a necessity when dealing with an unknown and the more considerations the better, in all cases, especially in the beginning. We had some rather lengthy discussions about this same issue, that continued for months (it seems) quite awhile ago on the group list, if you recall.

There was an attempt at that time to relate the observation of various images, symbols etc, that are "available" in rocks, stones and other natural mediums, way back then.

This isn`t "my first rodeo". I am very familiar with this particular subject.

I would also note, that there appears to be a difference between this kind of seeing and using a board for instance, in that the images, symbols etc, appear to have been recorded and embedded on or in rock, or other natural materials etc, and the "story" they tell isn`t in the process of being written, but was already written and recorded.
Like historical records.

You still have to interpret what your seeing, but the picture is already there in it`s entirety, and is the same picture everyone viewing it, will see, like with any photograph.

Some might see more detail then others, but the entire picture is there, If that makes sense.

How to describe this.. imagine that there are photo`s on rocks but these are covered over by eons of dirt and debris, in order to see the pictures you would have to scrape off all that outer covering, but by learning to see through all the outer "debris" the pictures are right there clear as day. It seems to be a matter of seeing through.. something..or other.

And most likely it isn`t easy for everyone, since there is some indication of a "natural element" acting as a lock, or an encasement of some kind, though this is only my understanding and I have no proof of such a thing.

I am very curious as to whether natural rock, or a metal, would have recorded a different image or contain a different library, so to speak. I have no real experience with any metals in this regard, since I have only worked with rock thus far and so I am kind of excited about maybe expanding the horizon, to metals.

I did try the first experiment with the silver bowl last night, but not much happened and it seem`s as if the technique is definitely different then working with rock.
I used only the bowl, with no water in it.

After awhile of just gazing into it, a strange depth to the bowl was noticed, and a stationary whitish "fog" developed at the very bottom, becoming very clear and "firm" upward, which had the effect of suggesting that the empty space inside the bowl was solidifying into a clear, solid sort of, substance. It remained at this point for some time with no images or anything interesting occurring and I became completely bored with it put the bowl down, and went to bed.

Rocks don`t take anywhere near that much time, or effort, so metal is very different and a whole other thing, or so it seems.

 

[Zadius Sky]

Awesome find, L. Fascinating video about the mirrors (especially about the head shapes). I too like the way they tell it like it is.

As a side-note and FWIW, I found myself getting really sleepy about 1/3 to 1/2 way through it. I had the sound turned off so I could focus on the words - as the video progressed I seriously had to push myself to keep my eyes open. Nearer the end of the vid I felt fine again. Weird.

Yeah, I have noticed that as well, and so I muted it the rest of the way. The "watery" sounds are hypnotic sounds, very similar to the ones that I've listened to a long time ago (Hemi-Sync types).

Well, obviously, I'm going to be getting back to the psychomantium project and, as ya'll can guess, QFG has another research project to consider with possible help from volunteers. We'll be looking at the engineering issues and getting some reliable details before jumping in the deep end.

Sweet! Sounds like a big project. Let me know if you need an eagle's eye and whatnot.

 

[Guardian]

This isn`t "my first rodeo". I am very familiar with this particular subject.

I would also note, that there appears to be a difference between this kind of seeing and using a board for instance, in that the images, symbols etc, appear to have been recorded and embedded on or in rock, or other natural materials etc, and the "story" they tell isn`t in the process of being written, but was already written and recorded.
Like historical records.

Rocks don`t take anywhere near that much time, or effort, so metal is very different and a whole other thing, or so it seems.

Meager1, I have a question, NO offense intended, I'm just taking an unofficial survey here.

Do you watch "Dancing with the Stars" and or similar TV programs?

 

[Alejo]

Really interesting....it left me wondering about Ark's theory of karions, if I understood it well from what he was explaining at the conference, maybe mirrors are a device that facilitate access to these particles?

In any event, wonderful video, although the translation was sometimes a bit off, I really enjoyed it a lot!


Thanks Laura!

 

[Gonzo]

This isn`t "my first rodeo". I am very familiar with this particular subject.

I would also note, that there appears to be a difference between this kind of seeing and using a board for instance, in that the images, symbols etc, appear to have been recorded and embedded on or in rock, or other natural materials etc, and the "story" they tell isn`t in the process of being written, but was already written and recorded.
Like historical records.

Rocks don`t take anywhere near that much time, or effort, so metal is very different and a whole other thing, or so it seems.

Meager1, I have a question, NO offense intended, I'm just taking an unofficial survey here.

Do you watch "Dancing with the Stars" and or similar TV programs?

Not nice, Guardian.

Meager1, I don't think having conversation with rocks and experiencing the effects from these mirrors are the same thing, so I'm a little confused how you see the two processes as similar. I was a little surprised to see you tried to experiment with mirrors, considering what you wrote in the Psychmantium thread a while back, where you described being chased by something that looked like DNA that came out of a mirror. You wrote at the end of your post:

...
That's the one and only experience I ever had with a mirror, but that was enough for me.

The idea of someone trying to have an experience like that, on purpose, just does not compute!

Gonzo

Edit: added quote from Meager1

 

[Meager1]

No Guardian, I don`t.

I have another question for your unofficial survey though..do you recognize the stars, or are they new and different each time?

And Gonzo just so ya know, I`ve never had a "conversation" with a rock.

I don`t mean to be, or want to be as sarcastic as this sounds, but come on guys..I can only explain this as I know it, I don`t have the guide book.
I don`t expect anyone to believe me, heck I wouldn`t believe it myself under different circumstances, but why does non belief have to equal criticism or sarcasm, or the attempt to make a person feel inadequate or abnormal?

All that does, is make me want to shrivel up and disappear, and put`s a halt to participating in any further discussion.

I can only tell you as I have before, that rocks, some rocks that is, contain or perhaps reflect, appear to have attracted, and have imprinted within them, very clear images, symbols and various other information, by some process that I don`t understand nor could I adequately explain. These are very much like still photographs, and every bit as clear and life like as modern photographs.

How many photographs have "you" had conversations with Gonzo?

Perhaps there is some medical "condition" that may one day explain why some people are able to see these images and some are not, just as there is an explanation of why some people don`t have a good facial recognition ability, while others do.

Until then, new things are being "discovered" and are being explored all the time and I expect that I will be vindicated one day, when someone of "scientific repute" stumbles upon these images and it becomes all the rave. Until then I can live on a flat world..

I am not experimenting with mirrors, particularly modern ones, nor do I intend too.

My "experiment" is only to determine ( for myself ) whether or not certain metals also have the ability that some rocks seem to have, of holding various images that could be viewed in the same way, as if contained within, or perhaps can radiate from, the metal itself.

I think we are basically talking about the same thing, just different ways of exploring it.

I am not advocating this method, nor do I recommend it to anyone, it`s just something that I have found to be interesting for myself, and I assume that the ancients found it interesting as well, since the majority of the images so far, appear to be from some ancient or entirely different, time, then now.
There isn`t much more to say about it, then whats already been said.