Psychopaths with 'Souls'?

[Approaching Infinity]

So are you saying that he made the choice when he was a child or before he was a child? What I am suggesting is the primary cause of his actions was not essential or genetic psychopathy but the events of his life, including the action of STS forces which the C's say even provided him with visions. Yes he may have chosen these circumstances before incarnation but this does not mean he was born genetically a psychopath. I referred to the quote about the dead bird which you provided because these do not resemble the actions of a psychopath, unless there are important details missing which suggest that he was feigning these emotions.

Perhaps this is possible: Both 'essential psychopaths' (i.e. soulless) and 'souled psychos' are indistinguishable by observing 'exterior behaviour'. That is, they behave the same way, but there is some qualitative difference in their BEing. Perhaps this causes some overlap in classification. In other words, 'souled psychos' ARE psychopaths, but we just don't exactly know how to observe and name them yet.

In the Ra sessions, they say Hitler tried to achieve polarity too fast, and really screwed himself up. Here's what they said:

The mind/body/spirit complex known as Adolf is at this time in an healing process in the middle astral planes of your spherical force field. This entity was greatly confused and, although aware of the circumstance of change in vibratory level associated with the cessation of the chemical body complex, nevertheless, needed a great deal of care.

In speaking of the one you call Adolf we have some difficulty due to the intense amount of confusion present in this entity's life patterns as well as the great confusion which greets any discussion of this entity.
Here we see an example of one who, in attempting activation of the highest rays of energy while lacking the green ray key [higher emotional center, universal love, conscience], canceled itself out as far as polarization either towards positive or negative. This entity was basically negative. However, its confusion was such that the personality disintegrated [thru total possession?], thus leaving the mind/body/spirit complex unharvestable and much in need of healing.
This entity followed the pattern of negative polarization which suggests the elite and the enslaved, this being seen by the entity to be of an helpful nature for the societal structure. However, in drifting from the conscious polarization into what you may call a twilight world where dream took the place of events in your space/time continuum, this entity failed in its attempt to serve the Creator in an harvestable degree along the path of service to self. Thus we see the so-called insanity which may often arise when an entity attempts to polarize more quickly than experience may be integrated.
We have advised and suggested caution and patience in previous communications and do so again, using this entity as an example of the over-hasty opening of polarization without due attention to the synthesized and integrated mind/body/spirit complex. To know your self is to have the foundation upon firm ground.

 

[aprilfool]

Hmmm I don't remember anything about this in Buddhism, but I will revisit it, because this is an unusual interpretation. If enlightenment means that you are one with everyone/thing (matter and energy), then waiting for all other (souled or otherwise) incarnations to 'get' everyone else to the point of enlightement would not be needed, or in fact, one would not care about other's enlightement. This sounds more like a 'christianized' form of Buddhism (saving souls). Although I realize there are two entirely different types of Buddism, perhaps you are speaking of the other path. (Even though Sidartha insisted he was not a god, there are Buddists that insist he was incorrect lol). Although I can only excuse my interpretations of Buddhism by way of talking to Buddhist monks. Becoming nothing is becoming everything. No-mind is All. The world is the illusion, all else is Truth. Ego is part of the world. etc etc.

After spending several years meditating with Buddhist monks, the 'sense' that I got from the elders is that everyone else is not your business. Your own enlightement is all that ultimently matters. What you do from that point on (after the physical body expires) is up to the individual. Besides, the only professed enlightened people are the Buddha himself and currently some guy from Korea. Where is Sidartha if he was to come back and teach others to reach enlightenment? I'd love to have a nice long chat over a cup-o-joe.

Compassion is a big part of Buddism, but not compassion to the point of attachment. All of the the monks that I have spoken with have had similar "auras." (At least at the level of development I was at the time, that was my interpretation). Later I realized I was offended by them, and it was a growth point for me to see what it was that offended me (my ego suffered from what I deemed as coldness and arrogance.)

Anywho, lol, my point to this thread was not about Buddism, although as a philosophy, it's a favorate of mine. It was more to the point that the thought that sociopaths don't have souls, is a way of excusing their behavior. Many have souls (stopped in their development), they have made conscience choices to disregard the Absolute in favor of pleasure, control or monetary gain. ALL of the walking meat sticks (or organic portals...nice sweet way to put this concept) - have made choices along the way to disregard the WORK thereby ignoring the Absoute. Religion has it's purpose. It's the sign posts of awareness. It just shouldn't be taken too seriously. The 'fallen' of the christian bible might explain things better.

As far as study upon the path(s) of the C's and such, I have only studied this website for about two weeks, so yes, I'm "missing" a lot of information. However as I have said before on this forum (among only 17 or so posts sorry). I believe nothing anyone says. I do the work to figure it out myself. The concepts on this site and related sites to Laura and the C's are the closest so far to my Work. I am confused about a few points and am just trying to clear them up for myself. (Which would happen in time -and work- anyway).

Thanks so much for the discussion. The levels of awareness and intelligence here is awesome!

It seems to me that you have developed an unusual misconception regarding buddhism. Buddhism is not simply a nihilistic faith striving to become nothing, nor about escaping the world - if you consider the oaths of the bodhisattvas (saints for lack of a better word) which is to continue to incarnate in this reality even after reaching enlightenment until all sentient life has had the chance to reach enlightenment it starts to become a little more clear. The thing about transcending the ego and desire is to break free of the illusions of this world's realm and see things with a greater clarity and not be bound to that illusion. That in itself is a great level of enlightenment, but at the highest level one would indeed become one with all - at a seventh level density to use the lingo of this forum. Still, the couple tibetians I met (which were buddhist monks) weren't about "giving up on what the world had to offer" - they just found something different in what the world had to offer for them - it's all good training ;) There was nothing about them that was stoic or cold - they were simply compassion embodied, there is nothing psychopathic about that. Attachment is illusion, empathy is not - attachment comes from desire and possesiveness, empathy on the other hand is key to developing compassion. Though sometimes compassion is needed to develop empathy *shruggs*.

Considering the soul of the psychopath - being that they are a breed of OP they probably do have some degree of soul, they just refuse and strive against developing it to any degree and perhaps that is why the c's refer to them as "failed OP's". I'm not sure about that part though, I still think it is appropriate to say they don't have a soul simply because it is a fair description of their "stance" and of the complete emptiness they have inside, it might be more accurate to say entropic-OP but that would just confuse people more. Though considering them as having a negatively aligned group soul it would explain how they "know" each other.

 

[aprilfool]

The 'Hitler' concept is another fasination of mine.

I also belive Hitler made a conscience choice of power over soul. At some point or another though, with whatever he struck a 'deal with' expired and his empire came crashing down...and much to the awestonishment of Mr. Hitler himself. He kept waiting for things to 'turn around.' Opps.

I think those who have made 'soul' progression do come to a so called 'fork in the road' of choosing one path or another. Most people that I know that have souls that are still 'undecided' at this point...have gone through terrible life suffering. There was a thread about depression on 'The Work' part of this forum. Yes depression is a sign post of developement. But it's the choice to ignore and medicate or see it for what it IS that matters. These people who have suffered so, are looking for an end to suffering. The choice of power, money, sex or control has a nice gleam about it for many who want an end to worldly suffering.

 

[Renaissance]

I referred to the quote about the dead bird which you provided because these do not resemble the actions of a psychopath, unless there are important details missing which suggest that he was feigning these emotions.

Yes, I think there are some important details missing, mainly concerning both the source of the article about Hitler crying over a dead bird, and also a consideration of the nature of the story's original source.

The mention of the Hitler crying over a dead bird comes from an article Tom Montalk wrote called The Liberal Mind, of which excepts were used to exemplify the disagreement between the thoughts and interests of Montalk and those of the owners and operaters of the Cassiopaea webpages.

I think it would be useful to review the article he wrote, and also remember to consider that Hitler was engaged in quite a successful propaganda operation.

 

[Renaissance]

Although I can only excuse my interpretations of Buddhism by way of talking to Buddhist monks. Becoming nothing is becoming everything. No-mind is All.

This reminds me of a story I just read of a girl who had a similar line of 'thought'. This way of believing seemed to prepare her and open her up for quite the nasty possession. Such it is with a lack of critical thought. It's in "Hostage to the Devil" and I highly recommend reading it.

It was more to the point that the thought that sociopaths don't have souls, is a way of excusing their behavior.

You say that you've only been reading this site for about 2 weeks. There has been a lot of past discussion for the concepts you use so loosely above. It would be considerate of you to learn what is has been said on the site first before expulsing your opinions. This has already been recommended to you several times; but then I don't know if you are more interested in learning or yourself. So far it seems the later.

 

[Laura]

I also belive Hitler made a conscience choice of power over soul.

I'm just curious... did you choose your handle as a way of conveying a message or describing yourself? I notice that you are just bouncing around all over this forum making numerous posts that have very little content of any value to the work that this forum represents. Please re-read the forum rules carefully, and then spend some time reading the related websites, and then the threads on the forum itself to try to get "up to speed."

 

[domi]

As far as study upon the path(s) of the C's and such, I have only studied this website for about two weeks, so yes, I'm "missing" a lot of information.

The following is (IMO) a must-read on the concept of organic portals http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/organic_portals.htm

 

[aprilfool]

Doesn't everyone choose a handle to discribe themselves or as a way of conveying a message? My name is April. Fool is the name of a person who is an idiot. My name April and fool sound really funny together. I've used it for years.

You are right, I should have read the rules better. I will cease posting. I had hoped to bring some sort of my own knowledge to the fourm, but if you yourself think my work is useless and of no value, then there is no need to be here at all.

I also belive Hitler made a conscience choice of power over soul.

I'm just curious... did you choose your handle as a way of conveying a message or describing yourself? I notice that you are just bouncing around all over this forum making numerous posts that have very little content of any value to the work that this forum represents. Please re-read the forum rules carefully, and then spend some time reading the related websites, and then the threads on the forum itself to try to get "up to speed."

 

[Adaryn]

So are you saying that he made the choice when he was a child or before he was a child? What I am suggesting is the primary cause of his actions was not essential or genetic psychopathy but the events of his life, including the action of STS forces which the C's say even provided him with visions. Yes he may have chosen these circumstances before incarnation but this does not mean he was born genetically a psychopath.

I meant that he made the choice of aligning with the darkness before incarnation, which seems to be confirmed by the extracts of the Ra material provided by hkoeli. Great extracts that'd explain a lot of things, thanks. From what I unserstand of it, thus, is that Hitler's basic essence is STS/negative, and that it looks like a long time commitment. Only he screwed up because he wanted to go too fast on the path to STS.

The mention of the Hitler crying over a dead bird comes from an article Tom Montalk wrote called The Liberal Mind, of which excepts were used to exemplify the disagreement between the thoughts and interests of Montalk and those of the owners and operaters of the Cassiopaea webpages.

I'm awfully sorry, I didn't read the whole page, I was looking for infos on Hitler on the site with "Hitler" as a keyword, and I jumped directly on the passages where he was mentioned. I thought Laura had written it! I apologize for not reading carefully and wanting to go too fast without taking enough time to check.

 

[paulnotbilly]

You are right, I should have read the rules better. I will cease posting. I had hoped to bring some sort of my own knowledge to the fourm, but if you yourself think my work is useless and of no value, then there is no need to be here at all.

Depends how you define 'cease'. There is much to be learnt here, everybody brings their own knowledge - we share ideas and thoughts. Bring your knowledge, it may be of some use but as always, think before you post. The best questions to ask before posting tend to be "Am I bringing anything to this forum that is useful? Is it checkable? Am I just making noise? Do I really need to post one-liners?"

My advice to you is to take a deep breath, read the material on offer, search the site for any answers to any questions you may have. If there isn't any relevant postings, start a thread. Keep following what's being posted and initally, if you can add any useful info - please do.

When in doubt, say nowt

Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

 

[Ryan]

This entity followed the pattern of negative polarization which suggests the elite and the enslaved, this being seen by the entity to be of an helpful nature for the societal structure.

Thanks for posting this. It brings to mind the teachings of Leo Strauss, and the belief by the neocons that an elite must dominate the masses and keep them ignorant and distracted for the well-being of society overall. Perhaps Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz et al are the "entropathic" types, while Bush and Cheney are the "reaction machines" (essential psychopaths) fronting up the whole operation.

Perhaps the emotional center is the key here... "souled" psychopathic types love the darkness, whereas "essential psychopaths" (as described by Lobaczewski) are the "soulless reaction machine"/"broken OP" type that lack an emotional center altogether, and thus don't really "love" causing death and destruction - it's just something they do without knowing why or having any real care about it. Could it be that essential psychopaths just utilise such ideologies (eg. Strauss) while the entropathic types actually believe them?

Come to think of it, the true entropathic types probably love the darkness so much that they would prefer not to have "fame" or any kind of "public face". The further behind the scenes they can get, the easier to manipulate others, and thus the more "power" they can accrue. This is sort of like a twisted version of the esoteric path of moving away from the "tangible" things of this world and towards more "intangible" things, which would make sense for those on the divergent path towards negative graduation in a semi-physical reality. Yet perhaps the forming of a "black magnetic center" by its very nature ("A" influences) still creates that "craving for physicality" that the C's mention in regard to 4D STS entities? So maybe Rumsfeld, Perle ect are the "essential psychopath" type?

To indulge in a little more speculation, perhaps the overall pathocratic structure created by the "pooling" of pathological types forms the equivalent of an "exoteric circle" from the negative point of view? And it is only in the entropic equivalent of the "mesoteric" and "esoteric" circles that we might find the true "souled psychopaths"? Such people are unlikely to be "known" publicly, and are probably few in number (perhaps a few hundred at most).

Thoughts? Feedback?

 

[aristar]

You are right, I should have read the rules better. I will cease posting. I had hoped to bring some sort of my own knowledge to the fourm, but if you yourself think my work is useless and of no value, then there is no need to be here at all.

AprilFool, your work is not useless and of no value. Your search of the truth is valid as any other. Keep on searching.
Patricia

 

[Graalsword]

To indulge in a little more speculation, perhaps the overall pathocratic structure created by the "pooling" of pathological types forms the equivalent of an "exoteric circle" from the negative point of view? And it is only in the entropic equivalent of the "mesoteric" and "esoteric" circles that we might find the true "souled psychopaths"? Such people are unlikely to be "known" publicly, and are probably few in number (perhaps a few hundred at most).

And, therefore, the PTB seems to have always sought to keep most of people unpolarized or softly polarized to STS. Because a strongly polaraized STS being would look for knowledge to acquire power over others and even compete against the PTB (provided they can not take him to their side).

I think that at some point there is little difference between souled psycopath or souled extreme STS being and OP's....the souled ones have blocked the influence of their soul to the point where it's existance is almost nule. And the empathy (if they still have it) would be toward their own being. Extreme love for self. (sounds like some "new age" teachings huh?).

While the average (softly polarized)STS being seems to have limits when manipulating, stoping his/her manipulation when seeing that others begin to show signs of suffering, the OP/psycopath has no limit, no ethics, and continues his manipulation no matter the evident suffering of others.(except if it behooves to him, to keep power over the victim, avoid karma (materialistic spirituality), or avoid punishment).

On the other hand, a souled being interested in STS graduation, may observe that behaving as a psycopath, would make him attain more power over others, thusly, reducing or blocking the possible empathic influence of his soul(or maybe his soul is STS too and its influence manifests as love for himself and "love" and "care" for those who serve his ends).

The image that came to mind, is the little white point in the half black part of YIN-YANG symbol. That white point being the little remaining of conscience in STS beings.

Anyway, most soulless, here on earth, are automaton machines, and that is worse, as they are destructive machines, with no conscience at all, and learning they behaviour may save our lives.

 

[ark]

You are right, I should have read the rules better. I will cease posting. I had hoped to bring some sort of my own knowledge to the fourm, but if you yourself think my work is useless and of no value, then there is no need to be here at all.

AprilFool, your work is not useless and of no value. Your search of the truth is valid as any other. Keep on searching.
Patricia

I did not see any evidence of work. The proof of the pudding is eating it.
And it is not correct that all "truths" are equally valid.
Patricia, perhaps you have missed my essay about "what is truth?"

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1922&p=1

This is how we see the "Truth" here, on this Forum. It relatest to objectivity. If you have a different understanding of what Truth is - perhaps this forum is not right for you?

Not all searches for the truth are equally valid. Some searches for "truth" go away from objectivity towards subjectivity. Some people lie to themselves and to others and call lies "truth". The devil, as always, is in the details.

 

[aristar]

Ark
Like you said perhaps my place is not in this forum. I have worked all my life with people in distress and you know, I would never judge the way they were thinking as long as they were trying to get better. Who are we to say to someone that his way of thinking is wrong. They cannot have the great minds of men who work with science. We have to encourage them to continue. I have been reading all the content of your site and it is also what I believe but I think Laura is the Heart of Cassiopea and you Ark are the Mind (Head) of Cassiopea. You are a great Team. I simply think that as long as people search for the truth, they are on the good road since they are at that point and we have to accept that without judging them. This is their truth as this point. I am sorry for the bad english. Patricia