Psychopathy - something to strive for?
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Re: Which professions have the most psychopaths? The fewest?
Well, the first thing that came to my mind in regards to "chef" was Gordon Ramsey. He really looks like someone who deeply enjoy dominating, humiliating and insulting others and treat them like dog crap as soon as he has a chance in front of everybody there (and the millions of people who watch his shows). Not to mention how he seems to love putting others down and basically demolish their self-confidence. Anybody who isn't as passionate as him or dosen't meet his rediculously high standards are just basically worthless piles of crap that are only good for the trash.
Anyhow, I might be wrong, but so far I don't see why a psychopath couldn't/wouldn't want to be a chef. Gordon might not be one but he does look at least very borderline to my eyes. There's plenty of room for him for domination, intimidation, violence and self-glorification. He's also extremely famous, glorified by so many, excessively rich and quite untouchable to say the least. And the worst is that his horrible temper makes him even more popular. Wouldn't this be kind of a 'dream' for a psychopath? He can be as much as a petty tyrant as he likes, it'll only make him even more popular. That's so rediculous...
My thoughts.
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Graalsword said:
Well, the first thing that came to my mind in regards to "chef" was Gordon Ramsey. He really looks like someone who deeply enjoy dominating, humiliating and insulting others and treat them like dog crap as soon as he has a chance in front of everybody there (and the millions of people who watch his shows). Not to mention how he seems to love putting others down and basically demolish their self-confidence. Anybody who isn't as passionate as him or dosen't meet his rediculously high standards are just basically worthless piles of crap that are only good for the trash.
Anyhow, I might be wrong, but so far I don't see why a psychopath couldn't/wouldn't want to be a chef. Gordon might not be one but he does look at least very borderline to my eyes. There's plenty of room for him for domination, intimidation, violence and self-glorification. He's also extremely famous, glorified by so many, excessively rich and quite untouchable to say the least. And the worst is that his horrible temper makes him even more popular. Wouldn't this be kind of a 'dream' for a psychopath? He can be as much as a petty tyrant as he likes, it'll only make him even more popular. That's so rediculous...
My thoughts.
Peace.
Graalsword
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Re: Which professions have the most psychopaths? The fewest?
Yes, there can be psychopaths everywhere there is the chance to dominate others, what I meant with what I said is that I didn't see why that would be specially among the 10 most attractive for psychos. I didn't know that guy Ramsay (I just did a quick search to see who he is), but I think he's a particular case due to being famous through mass media. I just thought of the thousands of chefs who are not famous.
Though I could be wrong with the above, and maybe there is something else in being a chef that attracts psychopaths, it might be the fact of having power over others by choosing what will they eat, after all, it is the imposing of a wrong diet one of the most evil things done to humanity; many recipes are created by those chefs, recipes that are designed to increase the addiction to gluten, sugar, carbs in general, etc..
JayMark said:
Yes, there can be psychopaths everywhere there is the chance to dominate others, what I meant with what I said is that I didn't see why that would be specially among the 10 most attractive for psychos. I didn't know that guy Ramsay (I just did a quick search to see who he is), but I think he's a particular case due to being famous through mass media. I just thought of the thousands of chefs who are not famous.
Though I could be wrong with the above, and maybe there is something else in being a chef that attracts psychopaths, it might be the fact of having power over others by choosing what will they eat, after all, it is the imposing of a wrong diet one of the most evil things done to humanity; many recipes are created by those chefs, recipes that are designed to increase the addiction to gluten, sugar, carbs in general, etc..
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Re: Which professions have the most psychopaths? The fewest?
I think that the important terms here are the bold ones. Then I would say that I agree that being put as one of the top 10 most attractive trades might be off. But I can't tell for sure.
I understand. I knew him so that's pretty much why it popped in my head when I saw "chef". On the other hand, I know quite a few people working in that area and as far as they told me, that kind of behavior is not so uncommon in kitchens, especially in more fancy restaurents generating tons of money. Many chefs do act like pricks. They are so concerned about their image, their food/restaurent and reputation that they will do whatever it takes to preserve their status. That dosen't make them psychopaths per se but the pathologies can be quite intense. But anyhow, I'm not arguying here, just adding informations in regards to what I know.
That's an excellent point! I didn't think about it but it makes sense. Food industries take part in this evil agenda so why not restaurents/chefs? Most sheeple are only concerned about the taste anyways and health-wise, they'll only follow the basic mainstream ideas. And these beleifs are so deeply anchored in their minds, thanks to the PTB, that I've decided long ago that I won't go into any form of debate on the matter. Whenever people ask me about my high-fat/low-carb diet, I'll mostly just come up with good ol' allergies and intolerances. That does it.
Peace.
Graalsword said:
I think that the important terms here are the bold ones. Then I would say that I agree that being put as one of the top 10 most attractive trades might be off. But I can't tell for sure.
I understand. I knew him so that's pretty much why it popped in my head when I saw "chef". On the other hand, I know quite a few people working in that area and as far as they told me, that kind of behavior is not so uncommon in kitchens, especially in more fancy restaurents generating tons of money. Many chefs do act like pricks. They are so concerned about their image, their food/restaurent and reputation that they will do whatever it takes to preserve their status. That dosen't make them psychopaths per se but the pathologies can be quite intense. But anyhow, I'm not arguying here, just adding informations in regards to what I know.
That's an excellent point! I didn't think about it but it makes sense. Food industries take part in this evil agenda so why not restaurents/chefs? Most sheeple are only concerned about the taste anyways and health-wise, they'll only follow the basic mainstream ideas. And these beleifs are so deeply anchored in their minds, thanks to the PTB, that I've decided long ago that I won't go into any form of debate on the matter. Whenever people ask me about my high-fat/low-carb diet, I'll mostly just come up with good ol' allergies and intolerances. That does it.
Peace.
Miss.K
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Re: Which professions have the most psychopaths? The fewest?
Also a lot of creative artists are hmmm quite selfcentered, there certainly is a lot of narcissistic behaviour.. -it might be that psychopaths are not among the most talented ones, but there are a lot of power positions in creative fields, not necessarily occupied by the most talented artists
Graalsword said:
Also a lot of creative artists are hmmm quite selfcentered, there certainly is a lot of narcissistic behaviour.. -it might be that psychopaths are not among the most talented ones, but there are a lot of power positions in creative fields, not necessarily occupied by the most talented artists
Graalsword
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Re: Which professions have the most psychopaths? The fewest?
True, that probably happens in many cases, it's terrifying the idea of putting inside my body a piece of food that comes from the hand of such types.
Sure, many of them are highly narcissistic. And I think that the most psychopathic types are found mostly among managers, record label owners and agents. They are there to make sure the most narcissistic and pathological get mass attention, and the least pathological and most talented get enough drugs to ruin their own lives.
JayMark said:
True, that probably happens in many cases, it's terrifying the idea of putting inside my body a piece of food that comes from the hand of such types.
Miss.K said:
Sure, many of them are highly narcissistic. And I think that the most psychopathic types are found mostly among managers, record label owners and agents. They are there to make sure the most narcissistic and pathological get mass attention, and the least pathological and most talented get enough drugs to ruin their own lives.
Re: Which professions have the most psychopaths? The fewest?
Even the Washington Post wrote a review about this book, that indeed seems to glorify psychopaths:
Anybody read that book yet? I'll get it just to see what this guy is talking about.
Even the Washington Post wrote a review about this book, that indeed seems to glorify psychopaths:
“The Wisdom of Psychopaths: What Saints, Spies, and Serial Killers Can Teach Us About Success” by Kevin Dutton
By T. Rees Shapiro, Friday, November 9, 5:02 PM
During the recent presidential debates, the two men on stage appeared brazen, cool under fire, charming, persuasive and supremely confident in themselves and their abilities. The qualities that both politicians share — charisma, confidence, boldness — and that have made them so successful are the subject of a new book by Kevin Dutton, a research psychologist at the University of Oxford.
It’s a book about psychopaths, of course.
In “The Wisdom of Psychopaths,” Dutton argues that being a psychopath, or having some psychopathic characteristics, is not really a bad thing at all. [That's true for the psychopath himself, but certainly not for his endless direct and indirect victims!] According to Dutton, we depend on psychopaths every day and don’t even know it.:O Drawing upon a wealth of research, he argues that certain professions tend to attract people with psychopathic tendencies: physicians, Special Forces operatives, police officers, spies, lawyers, journalists and politicians. [He includes politicians here]
“Deep inside me there’s a serial killer lurking somewhere,” one successful lawyer told Dutton. “But I keep him amused with cocaine, Formula One, booty calls, and coruscating cross-examination.”[And what will happen if the coruscating (interesting choice of word) cross-examinating big layer gets bored after a while with his current activities and wants a bit more "excitement"?]
Dutton writes that the psychopaths we know by name from their grisly exploits, such as John Wayne Gacyand Ted Bundy, lie on the most extreme end of the spectrum. The majority of psychopaths, Dutton claims, are more moderate. “Psychopathy really is like a high performance sports car,” he writes: Whether or not it’s a dangerous vehicle on the highway largely depends upon who has a foot on the gas pedal.
The good news, Dutton announces, is that only 1 or 2 percent of the world’s population are psychopaths. That’s between 70 million and 140 million people who possess “the refrigerated heart of a ruthless, glacial predator.” [That's the type of being we depend on everyday?! To prey on the rest of us?] ]
There, now don’t you feel better about that upcoming visit to the dentist?
Anybody read that book yet? I'll get it just to see what this guy is talking about.
cubbex
The Living Force
Re: Which professions have the most psychopaths? The fewest?
Well, my father is still for me a psychopath, one of the most functional. And for example, he used his podiatrist position to gain the sympathy for others, so he would be recognized and appreciated, still when none of those were watching, he was masterful at psychologically hurt us. Because of his profession and his charming, he gained the post of president in one university, and his money could be used to maintain his wife at his side, because she wasn't able to maintain herself and her two children, and tried to manipulate me with it so I couldn't rebel to his manipulations.
Well, my father is still for me a psychopath, one of the most functional. And for example, he used his podiatrist position to gain the sympathy for others, so he would be recognized and appreciated, still when none of those were watching, he was masterful at psychologically hurt us. Because of his profession and his charming, he gained the post of president in one university, and his money could be used to maintain his wife at his side, because she wasn't able to maintain herself and her two children, and tried to manipulate me with it so I couldn't rebel to his manipulations.
Re: Which professions have the most psychopaths? The fewest?
I read small portion of the book. He starts his book saying "My father is a psychopath" while supporting his fathers cunning deed as skill for the modern society.
It is a torture to read. This guy is hell bent to prove that psychopaths are controllable, useful and has uses like "they can detect guilty ridden thief's, so they become good police officers etc.
He is outright in ridiculing empathy saying "empathy is schizophrenic ", ridiculing the creepy feelings people feel when they face psychopaths. The stories and conclusions he makes is outright mediocre, highly superficial.
He has adoring fascination with psychopathic qualities like ability to identify the victims. He thinks evolution is only physically fittest and thinks anxiety and empathy are weaknesses that makes people illogical, irrational choices.
He thinks psychopathy is disorder like anxiety , depression. He says " psychopathy is like sunlight, like controlling the sun exposure , exposure to psychopaths teaches the psychological skill that will dramatically transforms our life's".
- he says " he is not glamorizing the psychopaths , certainly dysfunctional psychopaths any means " - what is dysfunctional ?, at least he is ready to glamorizing some ?.
His Wisdom (pathological)
psychopaths are ice cold, so they are good at surgery,
better at identifying the vulnerability so good customs officers,
they are ruthless and good at killing, so they are "warrior hawks" during war time so people can learn survival skill from them.
he go on saying they have "dark art of predation".
He twists coldness as "steely emotional calculus" as if they have emotions.
The outright glamorizing of psychopathy, hell bent on rehabilitation of psychopathy, superficial use of word "empathy" with no regard for the destruction in the life's of victims or society makes this " psychopathy book for psychopaths by (possibly ) psychopath ".
No wonder fortune and Washington post published this. I will try read some more before posting on amazon.
Alana said:
I read small portion of the book. He starts his book saying "My father is a psychopath" while supporting his fathers cunning deed as skill for the modern society.
It is a torture to read. This guy is hell bent to prove that psychopaths are controllable, useful and has uses like "they can detect guilty ridden thief's, so they become good police officers etc.
He is outright in ridiculing empathy saying "empathy is schizophrenic ", ridiculing the creepy feelings people feel when they face psychopaths. The stories and conclusions he makes is outright mediocre, highly superficial.
He has adoring fascination with psychopathic qualities like ability to identify the victims. He thinks evolution is only physically fittest and thinks anxiety and empathy are weaknesses that makes people illogical, irrational choices.
He thinks psychopathy is disorder like anxiety , depression. He says " psychopathy is like sunlight, like controlling the sun exposure , exposure to psychopaths teaches the psychological skill that will dramatically transforms our life's".
- he says " he is not glamorizing the psychopaths , certainly dysfunctional psychopaths any means " - what is dysfunctional ?, at least he is ready to glamorizing some ?.
His Wisdom (pathological)
psychopaths are ice cold, so they are good at surgery,
better at identifying the vulnerability so good customs officers,
they are ruthless and good at killing, so they are "warrior hawks" during war time so people can learn survival skill from them.
he go on saying they have "dark art of predation".
He twists coldness as "steely emotional calculus" as if they have emotions.
The outright glamorizing of psychopathy, hell bent on rehabilitation of psychopathy, superficial use of word "empathy" with no regard for the destruction in the life's of victims or society makes this " psychopathy book for psychopaths by (possibly ) psychopath ".
No wonder fortune and Washington post published this. I will try read some more before posting on amazon.
Re: Which professions have the most psychopaths? The fewest?
Scientific American carries three articles by Dutton:
_http://www.scientificamerican.com/author.cfm?id=2281
One of those, An Interview with a Psychopath, links to another page introducing a survey called Take the Psychopath Challenge by saying:
Take the Psychopath Challenge has a rather creepy introduction:
_http://books.scientificamerican.com/fsg/books/the-wisdom-of-psychopaths/take-the-psychopath-challenge/
Even though it's part of what seems to be a serious survey aiming to assess a number of psychopaths in American society, it doesn't bode well considering their attitude and what we can understand about Dutton so far.
The website for The Great American Psychopath Survey is, of course:
_http://www.wisdomofpsychopaths.com/
In 2008, The Vancouver Post in their article Society encourages psychopaths: expert wrote:
"The Wisdom of Psychopaths" is another step forward in this direction, IMO. Should we expect psychopathy to be part of teaching program at schools soon? Not the science of psychopathy, which would be much needed and essential, but just teaching of psychopathy?
Scientific American carries three articles by Dutton:
_http://www.scientificamerican.com/author.cfm?id=2281
One of those, An Interview with a Psychopath, links to another page introducing a survey called Take the Psychopath Challenge by saying:
Take the Psychopath Challenge has a rather creepy introduction:
_http://books.scientificamerican.com/fsg/books/the-wisdom-of-psychopaths/take-the-psychopath-challenge/
Even though it's part of what seems to be a serious survey aiming to assess a number of psychopaths in American society, it doesn't bode well considering their attitude and what we can understand about Dutton so far.
The website for The Great American Psychopath Survey is, of course:
_http://www.wisdomofpsychopaths.com/
In 2008, The Vancouver Post in their article Society encourages psychopaths: expert wrote:
"The Wisdom of Psychopaths" is another step forward in this direction, IMO. Should we expect psychopathy to be part of teaching program at schools soon? Not the science of psychopathy, which would be much needed and essential, but just teaching of psychopathy?
Miss.K
Dagobah Resident
Re: Which professions have the most psychopaths? The fewest?
I watched the Dexter show, and thought the same (that it was a way of humanizing psychopathy for the masses) although I kinda like the show for other reasons. (I like the actor some, and the swearing sister, and the intro is pretty wellmade and such)
But the thing is that even though it is supposedly about a psychopath, the Dexter character is not a psychopath, I'd say,
-he has a concience, -for example he worries about if his son will turn out to be a psychopath like him (why would a psychopath worry about that?) and also his supposed psychopathy has come from childhood trauma, as people prefer to believe it does.
Which of cause only points more to (quote) what they are doing is glorifying, glamorizing and making normal what is really abnormal. as if they made a show about a real psychopath, people wouldn't find him sympathic, as he is made out to be, in spite of his liking to kill people (and of cause he only kills bad people)
Possibility of Being said:
I watched the Dexter show, and thought the same (that it was a way of humanizing psychopathy for the masses) although I kinda like the show for other reasons. (I like the actor some, and the swearing sister, and the intro is pretty wellmade and such)
But the thing is that even though it is supposedly about a psychopath, the Dexter character is not a psychopath, I'd say,
-he has a concience, -for example he worries about if his son will turn out to be a psychopath like him (why would a psychopath worry about that?) and also his supposed psychopathy has come from childhood trauma, as people prefer to believe it does.
Which of cause only points more to (quote) what they are doing is glorifying, glamorizing and making normal what is really abnormal. as if they made a show about a real psychopath, people wouldn't find him sympathic, as he is made out to be, in spite of his liking to kill people (and of cause he only kills bad people)
