Maria Zaharova is furiously interesting as usual.
An auto-translated interview from Russian that Maria gave at the request of the Spanish newspaper A-Be-Ce and the same newspaper later censored it. What is happening is inconceivable. Although after reading this interview I conclude that it is poisonous to psychopathic brains.
This could not be published in the West:
"04.05.2022 19:42
Interview by M.V. Zakharova, official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, to the Spanish newspaper A-Be-Se
959-04-05-2022
Question: Could you please explain what stage the peace talks with Ukraine are at?
Answer: The Russian-Ukrainian negotiations are continuing. After three face-to-face rounds in Belarus and one in Turkey, they are being held in video format. They are discussing the settlement of the situation in Ukraine, the establishment of its neutral, non-nuclear and non-aligned status, demilitarization and denationalization, as well as security guarantees. Unfortunately, the position of the Ukrainian delegation is very volatile and the negotiation process is accompanied by aggressive rhetoric from Kiev and the West and Western arms deliveries, which does not help to reach agreements.
Question: In your opinion, are international mechanisms applicable to resolve the conflict in Donbas?
Answer: Over the last eight years Russia has been doing its best to resolve the conflict in Donbas by peaceful means. Under our mediation, the "Package of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements of February 12, 2015" was signed, which was approved by UN Security Council resolution 2202. It provided for a clear sequence of steps leading to the reintegration of Donbas into Ukraine under the conditions of a special status for the region.
However, the Ukrainian leadership categorically refused to do this. Our attempts to force the Kyiv regime to implement the Package of Measures were unsuccessful. The Ukrainian armed formations did not stop shelling Donbas. An inhumane socio-economic and transport blockade was imposed on its inhabitants, placing the region on the brink of survival. This destructive policy of Kiev was actively supported by the United States and its NATO allies, who carried out the military development of Ukrainian territory, encouraged the promotion of aggressive Russophobia and ignored neo-Nazi manifestations, turning the country into a bridgehead against Russia. As it turned out later, the Ukrainian Armed Forces were preparing to seize Donbass by force in March.
As a result, we were left with no choice but to recognize the independence of the DNR and LNR on February 21 of this year and begin a special military operation on February 24 of this year to protect the people living in Donbass, demilitarize and denationalize Ukraine. All of its goals and tasks will certainly be accomplished.
Question: Do you believe that the territorial requirements imposed on Ukraine, specifically on Donbas, complicate the agreements?
Answer: These are already established territorial realities, which Kiev and other countries need to recognize. They arose because of the policies of the Kiev authorities themselves, who came to power through a neo-Nazi coup d'état in 2014. Crimea returned to Russia, the DNR and LNR became independent states. It is necessary to respect the legitimate and informed choice of peoples and the right of nations to self-determination, as enshrined in the UN Charter.
Question: Why was Russia able to use force in Chechnya, Georgia, and now Ukraine, while Kyiv cannot do the same for Donetsk and Luhansk?
Response: Georgian authorities attacked South Ossetia and killed Russian peacekeepers. How interesting to be reminded of the situation in Chechnya. These are completely different situations. Chechen fighters used terrorist methods and carried out terrorist attacks in Chechnya itself and other subjects of the Russian Federation. But they were considered democratic forces and were supported in the U.S. and the EU. Do you remember what the reaction of the international community was? Everybody supported the separatists, although they were not separatists, but international terrorists. The first in Europe, by the way. The U.S., Britain, European countries then called them freedom fighters. Now I have a question: why didn't the West call the inhabitants of Donbass "freedom fighters"? After all, they are not terrorists. It was also difficult to call them separatists, because in the Minsk agreements, signed by the DNR and LNR, Donbass was called a part of Ukraine. And in general, the entire Minsk Package was about how the DNR and LNR would live as part of Ukraine. So why didn't the West support them?
But the inhabitants of Donbass have been killed for eight years. Civilians and children were killed. Children's cemeteries appeared on the territory of Europe by the will of Kiev. Where was the Spanish government, for example? Now everyone in the EU is talking about refugees from Ukraine. Did you know that 1.2 million refugees from Ukraine came to Russia in 2014-2015? And the West was silent again. Not a single sanction has been applied to the Kiev regime to encourage it to stop killing people for eight years.
The Kiev regime came to power by anti-constitutional means and for eight years it used military force against its own people, the civilians of Donbass. It shelled the territory of the DNR and LNR using heavy artillery. Thousands of civilians were killed, including women and children. Houses, water, electricity and gas supplies, hospitals and schools were hit. Kyiv imposed an economic and transport blockade on Donbas, putting its residents on the brink of survival.
We regularly drew the attention of Western countries to the genocide of the population of southeastern Ukraine that had been going on all those years, who refused to accept and support the results of the unconstitutional coup d'état of 2014, who spoke out against the mass violation of the rights of the Russian-speaking population in the country, the policy of forced Ukrainianization, the destruction of Russian culture and the rewriting of history. However, they did not want to hear us.
There was a chance to resolve the internal Ukrainian conflict peacefully. This is the consistent implementation of the aforementioned Package of Measures. But Kiev refused to go this way, and Western countries did nothing to prevent this.
Ukraine's sabotage of the Minsk agreements, the unconcealed desire of its leadership to solve the conflict in Donbas by force, including the use of weapons, equipment and other means provided by NATO countries, forced us to take those steps.
Russia's actions in Chechnya, South Ossetia and now in Ukraine are absolutely legal, while the actions of the Kiev authorities, who have organized the genocide of Donbass and the destruction of all Russians in their own country, are illegitimate, unconstitutional and immoral.
Question: Why was Russia able to sign military cooperation agreements with South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Donetsk and Luhansk, while no one is able to do so with Ukraine?
Answer: What do you mean no one can do that? This is the problem of the Western community - it does not understand what is going on at all. Before 2014, we had a number of agreements with Ukraine, covering a wide range of bilateral relations, including military-technical cooperation. However, after the February 2014 coup in Kiev, the nationalist forces that came to power, with the approval of the West, unilaterally terminated them.
The U.S. and NATO countries wanted a Ukraine that was as detached from Russia as possible. Our concerns about this were simply ignored. We have repeatedly stressed that all countries must respect the principle of the indivisibility of security and not strengthen their security at the expense of others. Russia put forward concrete proposals on legal security guarantees, including non-proliferation of the Alliance to the east and returning its military infrastructure to the configuration of 1997, when the NATO-Russia Founding Act was signed. But the West ignored them.
By recognizing the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia in 2008 after Georgia's aggression against Tskhinvali and in the light of Saakashvili's similar plans for Sukhum, Russia took responsibility for the security of the two young republics of Transcaucasia. This task is still relevant today. Russia has signed a number of bilateral agreements with these countries on military cooperation aimed at creating common defense and security spaces with each of them, as stipulated in the agreements with Abkhazia on alliance and strategic partnership of November 24, 2014, and with South Ossetia on alliance and integration of March 18, 2015.
Thus, the signing and implementation of the mentioned agreements with Sukhum and Tskhinval is dictated by the mutual interest of the parties and is an important factor for peace and stability in this part of the Trans-Caucasus.
Question: How will the issue of international investigation of what happened in Bucha be dealt with, taking into consideration that there are contradictory statements - was there a provocation, or were there war crimes?
Answer: The allegations you cited are not contradictory. The war crime is the Ukrainian provocation itself, which needs to be investigated. On April 3, the Kiev regime staged a cynical staging in Bucha, accusing Russian servicemen of killing civilians. At the same time, our troops left the city as early as March 30, and not a single local resident was harmed by violence during the entire time they were there. And after they left, there were no reports of mass shootings of people for four days, until the arrival of Ukrainian Security Service officers in Bucha.
What the Ukrainians and their Western handlers are trying to present as "Russian military atrocities in Bucha" is, of course, staged. We can affirm this for a number of reasons. You have probably seen the analyses of these staging, which were given by the Russian Ministry of Defense, it quite clearly shows the low quality of Western propaganda fakes.
The important thing is that the West did not come up with anything new this time. These provocations are a mechanism they have already tried, they have already used it, there is evidence that the Nazis used exactly the same false propaganda algorithms against the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War. I will name just two examples.
In October 1944, Soviet troops temporarily occupied and then abandoned the city of Nemmersdorf. Immediately after the city was returned to the control of the Third Reich, German propaganda specialists, including the head of the NSDAP propaganda department in East Prussia, K. Gebhardt, rushed there. They worked for two days, after which the main Nazi newspaper "Völkischer Beobachter" published an article entitled "The Fury of the Soviet Beasts. This article described the "horrors" and "mutilations" allegedly inflicted on civilians in Nemmersdorf by Soviet troops. On October 26, 1944, Otto Dietrich, head of the press service of NSDAP, personally instructed "to expose the nightmarish Bolshevik crimes in East Prussia and comment on them in the sharpest way.
Reich even organized an "international commission," to which he invited representatives of "pocket governments," in particular Estonia. Just a week before the "commission" H. Mäe published a report in which it accused Moscow of everything. The report of H.Mäe at the end of 1944 became one of the most quoted documents of Goebbels propaganda. Copies were sent in foreign languages to all world agencies.
Naturally, after the war this story began to be studied. German war historian B. Fisch, who himself took part in the fighting for Nemmersdorf, admitted that after the discovery of the bodies the German side had not made any attempt to identify them. The published photos showed specially collected bodies of victims from several villages in East Prussia. And already in the 21st century, the German Foreign Ministry acknowledged that Nemmersdorf's falsifications had been specially compiled by Lieutenant Pfeiffer of the Wehrmacht's secret field police, after which they spread through Berlin.
But even the well-known provocation in Nemmersdorf was not the first. Back in 1941, the Ukrainian-language newspaper Krakovskie Vesti, censored and controlled directly by the Third Reich, published an article about "people tortured by 'murderers from the NKVD' who lay in the streets of Lvov" in the abandoned city after the retreat of the Red Army. The emphasis is placed on the nationality of those killed. "Krakovskie Vesti" wrote that "the Bolsheviks shot 1500 ethnic Ukrainians with machine-gun fire in Lutsk. Paradoxically, the Nazi Reich accused the international Soviet Union of genocide!
"Krakovskie Vesti" was well aware of its role in this story - in the context of Ukraine, it was a propaganda guide of Nazi Germany to the whole world. The employees of the Krakowskie Wiesi were explicit about this in the press: their task was to use the victims so that "the word 'Ukraine' would once again appear on the front pages of major periodicals" and to make moral capital for the people out of "the blood of the Ukrainians".
It is exactly the same as it is now. Once again, fascist provocations are used to "put Ukraine on the front pages," and people's lives are just a bargaining chip in this fascist propaganda game.
By the way, you know what the most interesting thing is. The editor of "Krakovskie vesti" was Mikhailo Khomyak, a Ukrainian collaborator and supporter of Hitler. So he is the direct grandfather of the current Deputy Prime Minister of Canada, H. Freeland, one of the key figures among Russophobe circles in the Americas. It is H.Freeland who most often calls for the isolation of our country, citing, among other things, Bucha. Simply repeating after his grandfather what he and his fascist associates failed to do eighty years ago.
Question: Don't you think that the current special operation in Ukraine will bring NATO even closer to Russia's borders, especially if Sweden and Finland join it?
Answer: The posing of the question is incorrect. Russia's special operation in Ukraine should be perceived as a consequence of NATO's aggressive expansionist policy led by the US, not vice versa. The North Atlantic bloc has been moving step by step toward drawing new countries into its orbit, moving ever closer to Russia's borders and ignoring our repeated warnings about the danger of this approach to the entire European security system.
As for Finland and Sweden, the alliance has been actively "treating" them for a long time. In order to radically influence the policy of these Scandinavian states, NATO has been assiduously modeling Russia as an enemy. Although in fact it was the alliance that posed a threat to our country's security. We have been warning our Nordic neighbors that pulling them into NATO's orbit threatens to unbalance the European security system regularly and for quite a long time. This is not "the topic of recent weeks.
I spoke about it in detail long before February 2022. Back in 2015, I warned: "Swedish accession to NATO would have politico-military and foreign policy implications that would require necessary reciprocal steps from the Russian side. In 2016. Russia's Foreign Ministry reported that Scandinavian accession to NATO would disrupt stability and change the balance of power in the region, forcing us to take additional measures to ensure our security. In 2018, we talked about the risks associated with Sweden's and Finland's participation in NATO's Trident Juncture exercises. I also touched on this topic, for example, in a briefing on December 24, 2021. A related piece was also published more recently - in light of recent statements by official Stockholm and Helsinki - on April 15 this year.
We have also kept NATO on the agenda of our contacts with our Finnish and Swedish partners. For example, Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs of Russia A. Grushko discussed it with Ambassador of the Republic of Finland to the Russian Federation A. Helanterus in November 2020 and so on. We have been following the way the Americans and NATO Brussels are progressively pulling the Scandinavians into the events of the alliance for a very long time.
Please understand: geopolitical confrontation with Russia is the essence of NATO's existence. All talk about the defensive nature of this organization is a fiction. NATO's efforts are aimed at radically changing the military and political situation in Europe, undermining the strategic balance of power and deterring our country. If Finland and Sweden join the alliance, they will turn into an area of confrontation between the North Atlantic bloc and Russia, with all the ensuing consequences, including for our time-tested good neighborly relations. Is this what the peoples of Sweden and Finland are striving for?
Q: Are the negative consequences for Russia, including sanctions and battlefield losses, of continued military action in Ukraine not much greater than the benefits?
Answer: We have said many times that the start of the special operation was a forced measure. We were left with no other choice. It is being carried out in order to stop the genocide of the residents of the Donbas republics, who have been living for eight years under conditions of endless Ukrainian shelling, deliberate destruction of water, gas and electricity infrastructure, and a banking, trade and economic blockade. An equally important task of the special operation is to protect Russia itself from the threats that came from the Ukrainian territory as a result of its military development by NATO countries and artificially fuelled Russophobia and hatred towards everything connected with Russia.
Question: How do you see the future of Russian-Spanish relations in the current situation?
Answer: Of course, there is nothing good in the fact that many positive bilateral achievements were undermined by the decision of the Spanish authorities to join the anti-Russian sanctions. At the same time, Madrid did not stop at the economic component of the restrictions - two arms supplies, including lethal ones, have already been made to Kiev. There has been a blow to our diplomatic ties as a result of the Spanish joining the campaign for the mass expulsion of Russian diplomats. Because of the short-sighted actions of our partners, a number of projects in the energy and transport sectors are "hanging up"; the localization of Spanish textile production at Russian light industry enterprises is also in question. Spain's position on the further development of cultural and humanitarian ties does not add to the positive side: it was decided to "freeze" cooperation in science and education, including work on the legal framework documents that are ready to be signed.
We see that Spain, like many other countries, has actively joined the process of destroying everything that has been created in recent decades. We can only hope that the Spanish people's traditionally positive perception of the Russian world will be much stronger than the current militant trend to destroy the basis of bilateral relations, actively supported by official Madrid."
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