Navigating the information about the conflict in Ukraine
We are different as people; we are placed at different locations and access different sources. We each interact with families, friends, colleagues, and more. Thinking about the difficulties of navigating the information available, the challenge seems to be that if we have incorrect information, there are risks. I attempt to explore a couple of the issues that may result from mistaken information. At the end, there are a few areas one could keep in mind in order to improve the situation.
First, a quote about the risk of living in dreams:
Session 26 October 2015
We are different as people; we are placed at different locations and access different sources. We each interact with families, friends, colleagues, and more. Thinking about the difficulties of navigating the information available, the challenge seems to be that if we have incorrect information, there are risks. I attempt to explore a couple of the issues that may result from mistaken information. At the end, there are a few areas one could keep in mind in order to improve the situation.
First, a quote about the risk of living in dreams:
Session 16 July 2016
Session Date: July 16th 2016 Laura, Andromeda, and Galatea at the board Pierre, Joe, Possibility of Being, Chu, Data, Scottie, Niall, Arky, Noko the Wonderdog Q: (L) Today is July 16, 2016, 22 years to the day since the first communication from the C's. So, it's an auspicious day. That was...
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A: Those who live in dreams give off the STS signature and allow anchoring of 4D negative energies.
Q: (L) Well, I suppose we know that "living in dreams" is dissociating... Is that correct?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) It's not just dissociating. "Living in dreams" would also be believing in lies, not taking stock of the facts, and preferring instead an imaginary world.
A: Yes
Q: (Galatea) Not seeing yourself clearly. And others.
(L) Not seeing yourself and others clearly...
The discussion in the Session has several posts with comments. Doing a search on a key word like "dreams" gave a list, see link. There one finds a post by @Joe to which @luc responded, bringing up a couple of quotes from George Gurdjieff:(L) I think that people need to know what their weaknesses are, and when they know it, if they find themselves having thoughts along the lines of those weaknesses they tell somebody. It's not good to try to struggle through it on your own. We've seen how many times talking about it is what makes other people aware. It's the group awareness that busts the bubble and blocks the 4D STS abilities to interfere.
(Joe) I would say you can notice it when you find yourself suddenly thinking in a particularly negative way or whatever... a kind of unusual thought pattern that is invasive and persistent...
A: Negative thoughts can be "dreams" too.
Q: (Joe) What they said before was that this kind of fantasyland dreaming about something that isn't objectively true, that seems to allow or anchor some other actual negative energy. So, your dream doesn't necessarily have to be negative.
A: It allows the insertion of what amounts to a feeding tube.
Q: (Andromeda) So basically it's like a wrong use of imagination, whether positive or negative, if you're not anchored in reality. It leaves an opening for something to attach.
(L) Okay, so somebody's dreaming and sending out the STS signal since they're living in la-la land. Then there's the insertion of this feeding tube, and what then happens? What is the mechanism?
A: It can activate subconscious programs and also utilize the connection to enhance physiological processes that excite those in the environment to interact in ways that enhance feeding.
Q: (Joe) Sounds like a feedback loop.
(L) So, say I'm in wishful thinking of some sort. I'm dreaming. Say I'm dreaming about winning the lottery. Or I could be thinking negative thoughts toward somebody. Either way, it's a drain. So I'm in this condition, and that allows an STS feeding tube to be anchored in me, which means basically there's an energetic connection between me and some kind of 4D STS forces. Then if I'm just dreaming or dissociating a little bit, the connection can accelerate that, make it worse. I can feel worse, or believe it harder or stronger. And then that can enhance physiological processes like brain chemistry, hormones, etc. And usually we get triggered to think things because of stuff we're not even always aware of. In the Wave, I used the example of a blue hat. A kid gets exposed to somebody abusive who's wearing a blue hat. They then always go into a state of fear when they see a person in a blue hat, but they don't even realize what's going on. They get triggered and have negative feelings toward that person and the person may be totally innocent and benevolent. But because of the blue-hat programming, the dissociated person acts negatively toward them and thus begins a negative dynamic. The other way would be somebody whose favorite relative always wore checkered shirts. So when they see checkered shirts, they always feel warm and fuzzy and are naturally attracted to the person wearing the checkered shirt, but they don't know why. They may feel very favorable toward a psychopath in a checkered shirt who takes them for everything they have or destroys them emotionally. In both cases, the initial beliefs about the other person or situation has no basis in reality. That could be a subconscious trigger for just the beginning - the opening - of the whole process. And then it will snowball...
(Joe) It's very similar to mind programming and the way people are going off all over the world today.
(L) Yes. People can be programmed to be antagonistic toward each other without even any secret government involvement.
The quote might have been from this post by @Cosmos. Anyway, luc continued:"The chief means of happiness in this life is the ability to consider externally always, internally never."
Next, the quote luc includes refers back to "the ability to consider externally always, internally never." and gives one example of what Gurdjeff means with internal considering:I think this is really true, I had moments (usually with people close to me) where I could literally feel where they are coming from - not only applying some Work concept, but taking in the whole situation of the other person emotionally and intellectually - , in which my "self" and all the inner narratives and complaints disappeared, and I could act based on other people's needs, their understanding and feelings. These were indeed moments of sheer happiness! What a relief! Unfortunately, the down-side seems to be that there are cycles of depression as well, and when we get into the habit of opening up our eyes and hearts, we just can't run away from them. We have to live through them...
Gurdjieff also said:
Social Justice Warriors might be an example of the above. Here is a part of the comment luc gave:"And he 'considers' not only separate persons but society and historically constituted conditions. Everything that displeases such a man seems to him to be unjust, illegal, wrong, and illogical. And the point of departure for his judgment is always that these things can and should be changed. 'Injustice' is one of the words in which very often considering hides itself. When a man has convinced himself that he is indignant with some injustice, then for him to stop considering would mean 'reconciling himself to injustice.'
The excerpt is from In Search of the Miraculous, by Ouspensky. The textual context, follows below, and include other kinds of considering that might help to explain Gurdieffs idea:this seems to tie in with external considering as a means to happiness, i.e. not running internal dialogues, not shaking our fist towards the sky etc.
Becoming aware of internal considering may assist in overcoming weaknesses and knowing ourselves better:'After general forms of identification attention must be given to a particular form of identifying, namely identifying with people, which takes the form of 'considering' them.
'There are several different kinds of 'considering.'
'On the most prevalent occasions a man is identified with what others think about him, how they treat him, what attitude they show towards him. He always thinks that people do not value him enough, are not sufficiently polite and courteous. All this torments him, makes him think and suspect and lose an immense amount of energy on guesswork, on suppositions, develops in him a distrustful and hostile attitude towards people. How somebody looked at him, what somebody thought of him, what somebody said of him—all this acquires for him an immense significance.
'And he 'considers' not only separate persons but society and historically constituted conditions. Everything that displeases such a man seems to him to be unjust, illegal, wrong, and illogical. And the point of departure for his judgment is always that these things can and should be changed. 'Injustice' is one of the words in which very often considering hides itself. When a man has convinced himself that he is indignant with some injustice, then for him to stop considering would mean 'reconciling himself to injustice.'
'There are people who are able to consider not only injustice or the failure of others to value them enough but who are able to consider for example the weather. This seems ridiculous but it is a fact. People are able to consider climate, heat, cold, snow, rain; they can be irritated by the weather, be indignant and angry with it. A man can take everything in such a personal way as though everything in the world had been specially arranged in order to give him pleasure or on the contrary to cause him inconvenience or unpleasantness.
'All this and much else besides is merely a form of identification. Such considering is wholly based upon 'requirements.' A man inwardly 're-quires' that everyone should see what a remarkable man he is and that they should constantly give expression to their respect, esteem, and admiration for him, for his intellect, his beauty, his cleverness, his wit, his presence of mind, his originality, and all his other qualities. Requirements in their turn are based on a completely fantastic notion about themselves such as very often occurs with people of very modest appearance. Various writers, actors, musicians, artists, and politicians, for instance, are almost without exception sick people. And what are they suffering from? First of all from an extraordinary' opinion of themselves, then from requirements, and then from considering, that is, being ready and prepared beforehand to take offense at lack of understanding and lack of appreciation.
'There is still another form of considering which can take a great deal of energy from a man. This form starts with a man beginning to think that he is not considering another person enough, that this other person is offended with him for not considering him sufficiently. And he begins to think himself that perhaps he does not think enough about this other, does not pay him enough attention, does not give way to him enough. All this is simply weakness. People are afraid of one another. But this can lead very far. I have seen many such cases. In this way a man can finally lose his balance, if at any time he had any, and begin to perform entirely senseless actions. He gets angry with himself and feels that it is stupid, and he cannot stop, whereas in such cases the whole point is precisely 'not to consider.'
'It is the same case, only perhaps worse, when a man considers that in his opinion he 'ought' to do something when as a matter of fact he ought not to do so at all. 'Ought' and 'ought not' is also a difficult subject, that is, difficult to understand when a man really 'ought' and when he 'ought not.' This can be approached only from the point of view of 'aim.' When a man has an aim he 'ought' to do only what leads towards his aim and he 'ought not' to do anything that hinders him from going towards his aim.
'As I have already said, people very often think that if they begin to struggle with considering within themselves it will make them 'insincere' and they are afraid of this because they think that in this event they will be losing something, losing a part of themselves. In this case the same thing takes place as in attempts to struggle against the outward expression of unpleasant emotions. The sole difference is that in one case a man struggles with the outward expression of emotions and in the other case with an inner manifestation of perhaps the same emotions.
'This fear of losing sincerity is of course self-deception, one of those formulas of lying upon which human weaknesses are based. Man cannot help identifying and considering inwardly and he cannot help expressing his unpleasant emotions, simply because he is weak. Identifying, considering, the expressing of unpleasant emotions, are manifestations of his weakness, his impotence, his inability to control himself. But not wishing to acknowledge this weakness to himself, he calls it 'sincerity' or 'honesty' and he tells himself that he does not want to struggle against sincerity, whereas in fact he is unable to struggle against his weaknesses.
'Sincerity and honesty are in reality something quite different. What a man calls 'sincerity' in this case is in reality simply being unwilling to restrain himself. And deep down inside him a man is aware of this. But he lies to himself when he says that he does not want to lose sincerity.
'So far I have spoken of internal considering. It would be possible to bring forward many more examples. But you must do this yourselves, that is, you must seek these examples in your observations of yourselves and of others.
Session 26 October 2015
On the subject of "Help is on the way!", I found a quote in the list from where the first G quote was borrowed. It goes like this:(L) Okay, any other questions?
(Ennio) Getting back to knowledge and communication... Is there any particular area of knowledge that people should be focusing on?
A: Self knowledge and ones own weaknesses.
Q: (L) I think being really really aware of hyperdimensional forces, as above so below, and how all of those interact, etc. I think that we've done enough for this evening. I'm tired.
A: Help is on the way! Goodbye.
If "Hope when bold is strength", then we can afford to be hopeful. Bringing in other points, it is beneficial to avoid or overcome "living in dreams" as described in the excepts from the Cs, just as it is useful to work with self-knowledge and one's own weaknesses. Maybe such intentions will help us when relating to the information about the conflict in Ukraine.Hope, when bold, is strength. Hope, with doubt, is cowardice. Hope, with fear, is weakness.