Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

An interesting bit from Moon of Alabama that has a much different interpretation of Merkel's recent comments on the Minsk agreements.
Thank you for bringing that up, it is interesting. Here are more reflections:

At the end of the statements by Merkel, see here, Maria Zakharova asks:
THE QUESTION IS EXTREMELY SPECIFIC: WHEN DID ANGELA MERKEL TELL THE TRUTH?
And then we have what you quoted from Moon of Alabama:
I think that Merkel is obfuscating. Her original intent with Minsk II was not to buy time to arm Ukraine. Her intent was to prevent a further war and to make peace. The argument, that it gave time for Ukraine to arm, is only made now and only to save her political ass in the current political climate.
Some weeks ago, Stoltenberg also indicated that they have been preparing, so Merkel is not the first, but since she was one of the parties to the Minsk agreements it is discouraging for Russia to learn be presented with statements to the effect that Germany was on the side of the US all along. However, by making such a statement, Merkel gives Russia a good reason to be more careful in the future, and introduce new claims to any peace settlement. Even if it is met with counterclaims, the European public may give an ear to Russia's point of view:
France and Germany owe ‘genocide compensation’ to Donbass – Moscow
The Ukraine crisis is a result of the EU nations’ deceitful policies, Vyacheslav Volodin claims
And, Friday, RT carried comments from Vladimir Putin regarding how the statements are interpreted:

Putin talks Ukraine, Merkel and nuclear war

Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke with reporters after the Eurasian Economic Union summit in the Kyrgyz capital of Bishkek on Friday. Among the topics he addressed were the latest revelations from former German chancellor Angela Merkel, the military operation in Ukraine, the threat of nuclear war, the high-profile prisoner swap with the US, and Russian relations with the EU and Africa.

Merkel’s comments vindicate Ukraine operation

Putin said he was surprised and disappointed by former German chancellor Angela Merkel’s confession
that the purpose of the Minsk peace agreements was to “buy time” for Ukraine. However, he added that it justified Moscow's military operation against Kiev.

“Their point was only to load up Ukraine with weapons and prepare it for hostilities. We see that. Honestly, we may have realized that too late, and maybe should have started all this sooner,” Putin said.
While he knew that Ukraine did not intend to implement the deal, “I thought other participants in that process were honest. Turns out they too were deceiving us,” said the Russian president.

How to negotiate with “trust at zero”

The deception about Minsk now raises a “question of trust,” said Putin, noting that it is currently “almost at zero.” The real question now is whether negotiations about anything with anyone are even possible, and what would guarantee any eventual deal, he added. “In the end, there will have to be talks. We are ready for them, I have said that many times. But it does make us think, who we’re dealing with.”

Why the conflict in Ukraine could “take a long time”

Asked about his earlier statement that the military operation might be a “long process,” Putin explained that he was actually referring to the resolution of the conflict in Ukraine. “The special military operation is proceeding apace, everything is stable, there are no questions or problems with it today,” he said. Resolving the whole situation will “probably not be easy and will take some time, but one way or another, all participants in this process will have to agree with the realities that are taking shape on the ground.”

On launching a nuclear first strike

The US has long had a doctrine of launching a “disarming” attack against command and control systems, for which they developed cruise missiles the Soviet Union lacked, Putin said. Now Russia has hypersonic missiles that are “more modern and even more effective,” so “perhaps we should think about adopting the developments and ideas of our American partners when it comes to ensuring security.”

While the US doctrine envisions a pre-emptive nuclear strike, Russia’s doctrine is about retaliation, Putin explained. If the Russian early warning system detects a missile attack, “hundreds of our missiles will fly and it will be impossible to stop them.” While some attacking missiles will strike Russia, “nothing will remain of the enemy,” and that is how nuclear deterrence works, he explained.

More swaps like Bout-Griner are possible

Russia does not consider the success of talks to trade Brittney Griner for Viktor Bout as an opening to discuss other subjects with the US. While the negotiations “created a certain atmosphere,”no other issues were brought up within their framework, Putin said.
He added that contacts between Russian and US security services “continue, and in fact never stopped,” but that this specific trade was initiated by US President Joe Biden.
“Are other exchanges possible? Yes, everything is possible. This is the result of negotiations and the search for compromise. In this case, a compromise was found,” the Russian president said.

On the prospect of another mobilization

Another call-up isn't being considered, Putin said when asked if more Russians will be drafted to the army in 2023. Of the 300,000 that have been mobilized, so far, some 150,000 have been deployed, but only 77,000 are attached to fighting units, while others are engaged in other duties at the moment.

“Half of those called up are a battle reserve, so why would anyone talk of an additional call-up?” Putin concluded.

Answering Borrell’s Africa comment

Responding to the claim by EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell that many Africans perhaps don’t know where Donbass is or who Putin may be, the Russian president said that the continent knows all too well who helped their liberation from European colonialism.
EU politicians should “stop talking about their love for the African peoples and start helping these countries,” Putin said. “If the people you spoke about knew where Africa was and what condition the peoples of Africa were in, they would not interfere with the supply of Russian food and fertilizers to the African continent, on which the harvest in African countries ultimately depends and the salvation of hundreds of thousands of people in Africa from starvation.”

Next, Moon of Alabama:
The proof for that is in what she also brings up, Nord Stream 2, which has always had her full support.
One statement does not exclude the other. Probably, there have been different wishes between the ordinary German business people and the higher up elites, and US-UA aligned groups and governments.

Being in favour of the Nord Stream 2, was not a major investment for Germany itself, at least not comparing to what they are investing in Ukraine. For Nord Stream 2, they just had to give political support to allow the construction, they did not have too much money at stake.
Costs and financing
For Nord Stream 2, the loan from Uniper, Wintershall Dea, OMV, Engie, and Royal Dutch Shell covers 50 percent of the projected costs of €9.5 billion. The rest is being financed by Gazprom.[42]

Project companies
Nord Stream 2 was developed and is operated by Nord Stream 2 AG, a subsidiary of the Russian state energy company Gazprom[42] headquartered in Zug, Switzerland.[43]
Under Merkel, Ursula von der Leyen was Minister of Defence from 2013-2019 and the German army was in a worse state after that. In that sense, Germany was not preparing for war on their home ground.

At the same time, during this period, the attention of the US moved away from Germany:
German government figures show that between 2006 and 2018, the number of US troops stationed in Germany more than halved, from 72,400 to 33,250, as the US military responded to a shifting and increasingly complex global security situation.
One direction was east, like to Poland.
From 2019: There were these statistics:
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And for Poland, one now finds:
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The German government abstaining from pressuring Kiev to implement Minsk agreements, defunding the German army, and the move of US troops could indicate an understanding in the German government that if there was conflict with Russia, it would most likely take place east of Germany. Merkel could have known that and for that matter, Russia too, though the Russian administration may not have known with certainty how deep and conscious the deceit was.
 
An example of how governments help to make sure a story is told that supports their political intentions.
11 Dec, 2022 11:14
Is the Polish government secretly funding a Twitter account notorious for spreading disinformation about Eastern Europe?
One of the largest media outlets in Eastern Europe is pushing out fake news, now a bombshell report suggests it's sponsored by Warsaw

Chances are that any active Twitter user over the past year will have seen a tweet or two from an account called Visegrad24 and, most likely, the information contained in those tweets will have been fake. Now, an investigation from a leading Polish news site has revealed that the outfit appears to be funded by the office of Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki.

Founded in 2020, Visegrad24 publishes news on Central and Eastern Europe round the clock. Completely opaque, its website is just a single page, with links to its various social media accounts, PayPal, and text asking visitors to “please be patient” as their team is “currently bringing you 24/7 updates from Ukraine on social media.” Who or what is running it and financing it isn’t stated, and a generic email address is the only means of contact.

Visegrad24’s follower base, and its visibility, exploded following the start of Russia's military offensive in Ukraine and it has generally posted multiple times per day about the conflict since. Its Twitter account has amassed almost 320,000 followers at the time of this article’s publication, perhaps due to clear anti-Russia bias, with its posts almost always generating hundreds if not thousands of likes and retweets, and frequently being cited by mainstream politicians, pundits, and journalists, and other media outlets.

However, this rise to prominence has not been without controversy. Many users have drawn attention to Visegrad24’s frequent tendency to publish false information, which often paints a far more positive picture of Kiev’s war effort than the on-the-ground reality. The example linked here shows a debunking of a typical Visegrad24 tall tale.

Fake news pushed by the account includes completely false reports on actor Leonardo DiCaprio sending $10 million to Ukraine, support among politicians in Warsaw for creating a Poland-Ukraine Union, and photos said to be from the Ukraine conflict that are, in fact, many years old.

As such, Morawiecki now has serious questions to answer about whether his office is indeed behind Visegrad24, as a new investigation from Wiadomości strongly suggests.

Wiadomości found that on 23 November, Poland’s Finance Ministry published documents on budget allocations showing Prime Minister Morawiecki allocated 1,396,800 zloty ($313,475) to an entity called Action-Life Foundation, to “finance the implementation of a public task under the name ‘Visegrad24’.”
 
Having written about Merkel, why not continue with a follow-up, just two headlines that say a lot about decreasing EU/European credibility, plus one extra to illustrate the problems in Serbia/Kosovo.
11 Dec, 2022 17:38
HomeWorld News
Serbia warns EU about losing ‘all it has left’ of its credibility
The bloc only “notices” Serbs when they are on the barricades, Prime Minister Ana Brnabic has said
11 Dec, 2022 09:23
HomeWorld News
Serbia vows to learn lessons form Merkel's Ukraine bombshell
The former chancellor’s statement on the Minsk accords needs to be taken into account by Belgrade, President explains
By coincidence or clockwork, today the news are:
Kosovo Police Occupy Dam, Rip Up Serbian Flag, Threaten Locals at Gunpoint as Tensions Surge
3 hours ago (Updated: 2 hours ago)
The security situation in Kosovo began deteriorating this summer, after the NATO-backed separatist government in Pristina declared Serbian-issued license plates void. The deployment of hundreds of ethnic Albanian police in the region’s north this week escalated tensions further, prompting Belgrade to consider deploying troops to ensure order.

Heavily-armed Kosovo police equipped with armored vehicles stormed a dam on Lake Gazivode in northern Kosovo on Sunday, tearing down and ripping up a Serbian flag, and kicking a security guard and worker measuring water levels off the premises at gunpoint.
A possible attack on the energy infrastructure? How unexpected that is, considering all the other attacks on energy and food supply, as well as distribution this past year.
The dam, built in 1979, is the largest freshwater reservoir in the region, and generates up to 35 MW in electricity via the twin hydroelectric turbines at the power plant situated at its base.

Also on Sunday, residents of the nearby town of Zubin Potok gathered in front of the local municipal village to protest the show of force by Kosovar Albanian police and their mistreatment of the local population.

The Kosovar Albanian police deployment comes amid a deterioration of the security situation in Kosovo in recent days, sparked by the detention of an ethnic Serb police officer on "terrorism" charges after he and several of his colleagues quit Kosovo’s police force in protest of Pristina’s discriminatory laws. The arrest has prompted local Serbs to erect barricades in the region’s northern areas to prevent the officer from being taken to Pristina.

Over 350 members of the Pristina government’s heavily-armed special police forces were deployed in northern Kosovo this week in response to the protests, occupying the city of Kosovska Mitrovica, and prompting Belgrade to consider returning a 1,000-troop-strong contingent of security personnel to the region to ensure order and guard against anti-Serb pogroms.
Of course Europe is insulated from a chance for introspection, since it is published on RT and Sputnik, but that will not prevent others from drawing conclusions.
 
Having written about Merkel, why not continue with a follow-up, just two headlines that say a lot about decreasing EU/European credibility, plus one extra to illustrate the problems in Serbia/Kosovo.


By coincidence or clockwork, today the news are:

A possible attack on the energy infrastructure? How unexpected that is, considering all the other attacks on energy and food supply, as well as distribution this past year.

Of course Europe is insulated from a chance for introspection, since it is published on RT and Sputnik, but that will not prevent others from drawing conclusions.
Actually Kosovo Albanians have the benefit from the dam since they are using power made there. Serbs are using mostly power from Serbia's plants. The whole thing is a scam for internal political use both in Serbia and Kosovo. Make some nationalistic noise and dividae et impera.
 
Gonzalo Lira gives a perspective from a still functional Ukrainian city, Kharkov, in a 15 minutes long: 2022.12.09 Unconditional Surrender Is Now Russia's Goal.

In Kharkov, 15 cm of snow fell followed by rain giving rise to a slush that however freezes over in the night. The cold is chilling, and he reflects on the terrible conditions of the people at the front, not least the Ukrainians, that have damaged supply lines. Some suffer from diseases not seen since WWI like trench foot, there are cases of people loosing both feet. He thinks the Russians will go for unconditional surrender, as NATO and the UA leadership, by their lying, have made themselves unworthy of the trust, and refers to two interviews with Angela Merkel, where she stated the Minsk deal was to win time to build the UA army.

Translating the daily report from the Military Summary Channel it amounts to there being only minor changes, though quite a bit of activity where both sides are attacking each other. Donetsk is being hit day and night, with winter it is more difficult to protect to repair the infrastructure. I guess that also goes for places hit by Russia.

The material losses, as reported by the Russian MoD, from their TG channel:
In total, 341 airplanes and 181 helicopters, 2,647 unmanned aerial vehicles, 393 air defence missile systems, 7,057 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 926 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 3,676 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 7,547 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.
Of the above, most of the planes and UAVs probably do not see service again, but many of the other items may have been repaired and returned to the field, as not every piece of equipment necessarily will be completely destroyed.
 
:shock:


People Involved in Organ Trafficking Arrive in Donetsk Region - LPR Official​

21 hours ago
Organ trafficking - Sputnik International, 1920, 11.12.2022

© Flickr / Shirin Kavin

LUHANSK, December 11 (Sputnik) - People involved in black market organ trade have arrived in the Bakhmut (Artemivsk) area in the Donetsk region, where Ukrainian troops are now suffering heavy losses, Vitaly Kiselev, an official of the Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR) Interior Ministry told Sputnik.

"Literally three weeks ago, the notorious Elizabeth Debru arrived in the Artyomovsk region ... She arrived with representatives of the so-called Mozart Group… these people came to light back in 2014-2015, when there was fierce fighting on the territory of Donbass, they came to light as black market transplant specialists," Kiselev said.

He pointed out that Ukrainian troops are suffering major losses in the Bakhmut area, which is something that those involved in organ trafficking could take advantage of.

"Of course, they [transplantologists] could not stand aside and not make money on this, on the organs of the Ukrainian soldiers who now die in almost entire platoons, or even battalions," Kiselev told Sputnik.

In April, Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev said that the black market for the purchase of human organs from Ukraine, to be used for transplantation operations for European patients, had revived.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Tuesday that Ukraine’s losses in November alone amounted to over 8,300 soldiers. Meanwhile, Ukrainian Presidential Adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said earlier in December that Kiev lost only 10,000 to 13,000 soldiers since the offset of Russia's special military operation in Ukraine on February 24.
 
In the meantime, volunteers from Serbia in the training camp, somewhere under Moscow. President Putin recently signed act which aprove foreign volunteers in the regular russian army.

Some of them are showing faces and some not, because serbian (Vucic) authorities and police already started to harass their families back in Serbia.

 
Official Telegram-channel of the Acting Governor of Zaporizhzhya region

"At the site of the tourist base at the exit from Melitopol, where Tonight Ukrainian Nazi formations launched four strikes with Himars MLRS missiles, the debris is being dismantled, the fire has been extinguished. Operational groups continue to work on the spot, assess the destruction."

"Once again, I want to emphasize that this is a civil infrastructure, a recreation center. Four missiles aimed at the recreation center, which housed barbecue houses, gazebos and a corner with birds and animals. These are the goals of the Ukrainian Nazis. This is the strategy of their "war"."


 
'Justification for sending more weapons through "Ukraine wants to achieve peace" narrative.'

12 Dec, 2022

12 DEC, 2022
 
About Ukrainians migrating or fleeing to Poland, there was:
Resentment on the Western Front
Dec 2, 2022 SŁAWOMIR SIERAKOWSKI
There is growing bitterness among Poles toward Ukrainian refugees, owing to fears about rising housing prices and other economic problems. Worse, the country’s media and political establishments have largely ignored the issue, all but ensuring that it will become a ticking bomb in Poland’s politics.

WARSAW – Poland is home to about 2.7 million refugees from Ukraine: 1.2 million arrived after 2014, and a further 1.5 million arrived following Russia’s invasion on February 24. By comparison, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees reports that Germany has taken in one million Ukrainians, the Czech Republic 464,000, and several other countries 200,000 or less. As of mid-October, some 4.7 million Ukrainians had registered for temporary protection outside their country.
[...]
The above article was published by Project Syndicate, that has a page with their news about Ukraine. The page About Project Syndicate gives some names of those who support, advise and edit.
A similar article appears in Arab News from Saudi Arabia.

To compare the number of Ukrainian people in Poland, 2.7M, Ukreinform, - National News Agency of Ukraine - reports 4.9M internally displaced persons in Ukraine:
As of December 8, some 4.88 million citizens have gained the status of internally displaced persons in Ukraine, including 3.5 million who moved after February 24, 2022.
As reported by Ukrinform with reference to the Ministry of Social Policy, this was announced by the Deputy Minister of Social Policy for Digital Development, Digital Transformations and Digitalization Kostiantyn Koshelenko.

"4,886,648 citizens have been registered as IDPs as of December 8. Among them, 3,539,376 citizens moved after February 24, 2022, of which 2,856,232 registered for the first time since the full-scale invasion," the statement reads.
The above Ukrainian English language site has a page with the latest news, from their perspective.

The study of the opinions of the Polish people on the subject of immigration have been published in this report:
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Available as e-book in Polish, web version, or a part is found in Polish here and here. The English version, I could not find, but below is what appears as translated excerpts, if anyone is interested? I highlighted a couple of places, but many were there already:
Poles are for Ukraine, but against Ukrainians
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Polacy za Ukrainą, ale przeciw Ukraińcom. Raport z badań socjologicznych
Author
Sławomir Sierakowski Przemysław Sadura
Date
October 3, 2022

We have a problem, and a serious one at that. The belief persists in the public sphere that Poles are full of goodwill towards Ukrainians. We have managed to give ourselves medals for this, and we accept thanks from Ukraine. The problem is that this goodwill no longer exists.

It was certainly the case in the first months, when we reacted with compassion to the outbreak of war and Russian violence. Fear of Russia also played its part, which is a strong factor in the integration of Poles and Ukrainians, regardless of sentiment. Unfortunately, sympathy is no longer the dominant emotion among Poles.

On the contrary, resentment is the standard. And this resentment is growing, finding no articulation in the public sphere, neither in the media nor with politicians. There are good intentions behind this lack of articulation, but the consequences can be lamentable.


Our sociological research shows that negative feelings towards refugees from Ukraine prevail in all social groups, of all ages, in large and small cities and with no gender distinction. So we are sitting on a ticking bomb. And if we don't defuse it wisely, it will get into the hands of people who can use it to build political support for themselves. This is exactly what happened in Germany in 2015, where the media and political elite failed to articulate the growing aversion to refugees and a microscopic AfD party suddenly grew out of this to become the third political force in the country.
By now, AfD has many other points but given the direction German and the EU is heading, they are out of tune given by the current Traffic light coalition Government, when it comes to energy policy, weapons to Ukraine, Corona measures, and the EU. These days, as we know, a difference of opinion is not appreciated, which is one reason the discovery that many Poles think differently than their political leaders, raises so much concern.
In our research we explored the psychological reaction of Poles to the outbreak of the pandemic and subsequent war and the accompanying economic and refugee crises. Below we publish the part of the report that shows what Poles think and say about refugees. We conducted the research during the summer of 2022 in all social groups (small and big city, men and women, young and old, popular and middle class). We illustrate the theses with quotes from the group interviews. We include a conclusion at the end. Until we recognize and discuss the swollen problem, the discussion about solutions will not start. The topic will be taken over by the wrong people. And the first victim will be the refugees themselves.

We are united by our dislike of refugees

What united the narratives of our middle-class and popular respondents appeared to be the strong aversion spontaneously expressed in all focus groups towards Ukrainians. There is a resounding concern about losing priority in access to benefits and to public services (health, education, care). Referring to the metaphor of the queue used in previous studies: now it is refugees who are accused of pushing their way to the front (previously Poles blamed other Poles for this). The Ukrainians, it is believed, even get what patiently waiting Poles can only dream of: a place in a crèche or kindergarten, an appointment with a specialist, an imminent surgery.

Poles do not like the extension of PESEL (issue of permanent resident ID numbers), the Family 500 plus programme (which provides a monthly benefit of 500 PLN (106 EUR) for each child under 18 years) and other social benefits to Ukrainians. There is a belief that refugees so 'generously' supported will not want to return to their country, will overburden the already inefficient public service systems, and will take away jobs (in fact, as things stand, there are already more than 400,000 people who arrived in 2022 already working, and according to experts, the market would absorb at least as many again). What these stories have in common is that they are mostly second-hand. In short, now is the 'refugee season' when you need to find someone to blame for your misery.
  • This can already be seen from the euphoria at the Ukrainians, that at first willingly, now such hatred has already made, for example, that they take trains for free. Because there has already been a row about that too.
  • There is such a fatigue with them. But there are also a lot of such signals... A friend, for example, told me that she goes to a beautician and gets some nails done there. A Ukrainian woman comes and tells her to do her hands for free, because she has to....
  • Well.
  • I heard the same thing from a hairdresser, that...
  • No.
  • She has everything for free in Poland and she doesn't have to pay for a hairdresser.
  • Even at my place one acquaintance said that she did everything to a Ukrainian woman, and she later said that she would not pay, because it was for free. After the fact. And she left.
  • My friend is an orthopedist, he takes them in, these Ukrainians. They are very demanding. They want to be first in line to get a set of tests done for them. They don't care about the rest of the queue and the rest of the people. Whether they are Ukrainians or Poles, it just has to be done and that's it. Not all of them, of course, but there are some immigrants, and that...
  • And do you have any personal negative experiences with Ukrainian refugees?
  • I don't have personal ones.
  • I don't have personal ones either, it's just ...
[men aged 25-40, metropolitan middle class].
These stories are like weeds: they spread quickly, come from nowhere and are hard to eradicate. They are almost always 'from a friend' or 'heard from a hairdresser'. There are more and more of them on social media, where there is no room for political correctness, and where anonymity and spontaneity are the general rule. The storytellers themselves notice this difference and conclude that the traditional media do not want to show 'how it is' because they are on the side of the refugees. Consequently, suspicion grows even more.
  • The media tends not to show such things. They are more likely to show all the time that they are disadvantaged to help them.
  • More maybe on the internet such videos of individuals.
  • On Facebook, on Instagram?
  • There's a lot of that on TikTok.
  • Either they put a headline underneath and people put comments underneath, that's where they get filmed and that's where people argue, riot.
[Women aged 25-40, folk class, small town].
We counted more than twenty repeated stories heard from neighbours, friends, hairdressers and so on. For example, about Ukrainian refugee women being privileged in access to schools, kindergartens, nurseries, a doctor. About situations where Ukrainians allegedly did not pay for the service provided, claiming it was due to them. Or about the abuse of benefits and others of this nature. These concerns can be ignored as unfounded, but it will be a mistake, because also fictitious beliefs have real consequences.
  • A friend of mine was in a pharmacy, someone from the Ukraine came in, acquired a number of medicines and the lady in the pharmacy says, well you have to pay. No, because I care. She: well no, because it's only for medicines that are on prescription. So he supposedly took it and ran away.
  • I had a situation like that, I was at my hairdresser's and three Ukrainian ladies came in and said they wanted to have their colour done, have their hair cut, and it came out to about 300 zloty a head, where they were supposed to pay about 1,000 zloty; they got their hair done and left. This hairdresser says: "Wait a minute, who's going to pay?". "She says: "Well, who is going to pay? So she called the police, the police came and they just paid.
  • In the arena too, where I volunteered there, there was one lady from Ukraine who thought she was entitled to everything. It's known, people themselves bring food, clothes and everything, it's a private initiative. After a month in that arena, when this lady was leaving the arena for some flat rented for her, she brought 35 suitcases and probably 15 mobile phones.
  • Who gave her so much?
  • But from where?
  • From that volunteering, she hoarded.
[Women aged 50+, metropolitan middle class].

Ukrainians a victim of the economic situation

Ukrainians have become victims of dissatisfaction with the deteriorating economic situation of Poles, fears of state paralysis and low levels of public services, rampant inflation and skyrocketing energy prices. The majority of respondents, and in some groups all of them (especially the popular class), believe that refugees are privileged, entitled and treated better than Poles.
The government's propaganda, which explains all problems by the war in Ukraine, is reflected in the refugees.
  • People will simply hate them [...].
  • What do you think might happen?
  • People will beat each other, kick each other, murder each other, they will eat each other, I have no idea, that's how it will be.
  • That's how it's going to be, it's at our expense. [...]
  • There will be nothing to buy with, there will be more theft, there will be such hatred just for them.
  • It is known, not every Ukrainian is equal to another. Nor can everyone be lumped together.
  • But since they appeared, things started to go wrong with us.
[...]
  • They are taking away our jobs, they are taking away our housing, let them go to their own place, let everyone live at their own place. I understand that we also go to Germany, to England to work, I understand everything.
  • But not in the millions.
  • That's right.
  • But all at once people fell like this.
[Women aged 25-40, popular class, small town].

Cynical calculations

The only class difference in the assessment of the state's refugee policy is that middle-class respondents happen to see an opportunity in the fact that refugees from Ukraine will take up service jobs for lower wages, which will have a positive impact on the labour market and inflation. But this calculation is essentially purely pragmatic, not to say cynical: they can stay as long as they work for us.
  • Who will shout the most that the Ukrainians are taking our jobs? The blue-collar workers who sit around and do nothing. Who will soon be taking 700 plus.
  • No, they are not a threat against the Poles. They are the cheaper jobs, the ones Poles no longer want and that's what agriculture, construction are based on.
  • Just like in the West.
[Men aged 50+, metropolitan middle class]
For interviewees from the popular class, the mass influx of desperate people from across the eastern border is potential competition in manufacturing and non-specialised services, and on top of that the threat of reduced access to state support.
  • Younger people were more afraid of jobs, that Ukrainians would come and there would be a lack of these jobs for us. Like me especially, who works in construction, and the workers come, they were afraid that they would come and there would be a problem.
[Women aged 25-40, folk class, small town].
Therefore, fearful of the financial crisis and the collapse of the public service system, the middle class expects such support for Ukrainian refugees that does not burden the state budget (it is hard to say what that would be).
  • I think we are overstepping the mark, and the help the state is able to give in addition to this 500 plus, I don't know why they gave it, for me it's a surprise. I'm in favour of any kind of aid, except one that is a burden on the budget.
  • It can't be that all of a sudden there have to be beds reserved in the hospital for Ukrainians, so what, a Pole has to die and the beds stand empty because they are for Ukrainians.
  • The same for nurseries.
  • Same in the clinic.
[Women aged 50+, metropolitan middle class].
The popular class believes that social support is to be offered first and foremost to Poles, and Ukrainians should manage without it, possibly - have access second.

  • Here they have food.
  • And here they have everything substituted.
  • And if they don't, they will fight.
  • Where they go to the doctor, where there is no place for us to go to the doctor, and they go and there is, there always is, the doctor accepts them. They have no problem here.
  • And they're picky terribly.
[...]
  • It's the same with Poles, there are those who live on welfare, and there are those who don't use it. You know, there are people and people - that's my opinion.
  • But if they are to live on welfare, then let Poles use it first, in the first place.
  • Well, yes, then I agree. They are with us and they should adjust to that as well.
[Women aged 25-40, folk class, small town].

When the state fails

This resentment will grow because the state is failing. The goodwill and public commitment of Poles to refugees in the first few months should have acted as first aid, rather than a systemic solution to the problem over an extended period. Poles had reason to assume that this would happen. The spontaneous involvement of citizens gave the state time to prepare and then take over the responsibility for helping refugees: getting them into the labour market, mediating with schools and deeper forms of integration. The government did not address this at all.

What worked against the refugees was the same thing that had previously pitted Poles against other Poles. This quasi-welfare state of ours is so poor and trust in the state, public institutions and others so low that it is difficult to find more helpers willing to guarantee refugees a permanent place at the table. Certainly, deliberate disinformation on the part of those cooperating with Russia plays no small part in the spread of false stories proving Ukrainian claimants and dishonesty and intended to confirm their alleged privileged access to benefits and services. If the spontaneously growing resentment is not defused but continues to grow, it will become an invitation to systematic disinformation on a massive scale on the part of Russia.

Resentment towards refugees from Ukraine is not matched by resentment towards Ukraine itself. Nor do accusations related to history (for example, the Volhynia massacre) come up. And if someone does raise them, the group usually rejects this line of reasoning:
  • They had already arrived before the war.
  • Just let's not forget the history.
  • What kind of grudge do I have against a Ukrainian who lives next door about Volhynia? What kind of grudge can I have?
  • I am not saying: to him. But let us not forget it. If we forget it, we will lose our nationality.
  • What nationality?
  • Polish.
  • Will we forget that we fought against the Teutonic Knights?
  • That women and children were shot at.
  • But, people dear, do you understand that young people don't give a damn anymore?
[Men aged 50+, folk class, small town].
We are still united by a common enemy. We are so frightened by the Russian threat that we have no choice: no disputes with the Ukrainians. Or rather: no exposure of growing resentment. The reality, however, is that Ukrainians are already facing and will continue to face more and more resentment, harassment and obstacles in schools, at work, in offices. In these places they are vulnerable. And there will be no question of any real integration beyond the superficial. Before 2022. Ukrainians lived with Ukrainians, Poles with Poles. At school, for years a Ukrainian child might not have established any bond with a Polish one, which sooner or later ended badly for him.

The Poles are genuinely and actively in favour of the Ukrainians, which does not prevent them from feeling resentment towards the newcomers at the same time. However, social control in the public sphere in this case remains almost ironclad and resentment towards refugees does not flow beyond the traditional situations that foster it, such as gossip and table talk. In the public sphere, this aversion does not find its expression.

Neither the Law and Justice Party nor any other party apart from the Confederation is playing up the growing concerns about the worsening economic situation and the influx of refugees from Ukraine. No major political force is trying to make political capital out of these sentiments, but neither is it trying to address them properly. This may be changing, however - public emotions are strong, as is the temptation to point the finger at the culprit for declining living standards.

It is fortunate that the resentment towards refugees from Ukraine is not dehumanising or met with hate speech. It is easy to see the difference if we recall the recent crisis on the border with Belarus, when refugees from the Middle East were met with humiliating treatment, desensitisation or just plain racism, and this among the broad masses of society. Against the background of migrants from other cultural backgrounds, Ukrainians are even becoming welcome guests:
  • This is another problem, climate migration.
  • Lots of refugees from different parts of the world.
  • If these migrations, even of young Ukrainians or Belarusians, well, someone will work for our pension.
  • Ukrainians yes, but if they come from Africa, they'll be on welfare like the Islamists in Germany, a bunch of kids.
  • So all in all, maybe it's a good thing that these Ukrainians.
  • This is a very good thing.
[Women aged 50+, metropolitan middle class].
Towards Ukrainians, Poles do not use aesthetic categories. They hardly even point out cultural differences, another thing: minor ones. So there is no subsoil for potential forms of open aggression against them. Rather, refugees have been cast in the negative role previously fulfilled in Poles' complaints by other Poles, which some respondents are aware of. They note that behind the negative opinions about refugees is a process of stereotyping.
  • This is such a typical psychological process, that at the beginning you help, and then problems start to arise, soon they will pull out [that] some Ukrainian will rape, and - oh, everyone rapes. Or [that] one took out $1,000 from a Porsche. Oh, they're all rich. And it starts... These Ukrainians this, and that, they're about to start taking out bandits, that's not the point, it's a normal process, there's a war, people are fleeing. There's always a thief among them, there's always a crook among them, out of millions of people, it's not 100 000, it's a couple of million people! But generally these are poor people, fleeing from war, and it seems to me that there is nothing to envy them.
[men aged 50+, metropolitan middle class].
However, this state of affairs may change if no one addresses the swelling resentment systemically.
Conclusion: defuse this bomb as soon as possible
The most urgent need in the public sphere today is to defuse, before it explodes uncontrollably, the resentment towards refugees that has swollen to enormous proportions. This emotion must be allowed to articulate, because it is really not so much about Ukrainians per se, but about a lack of trust in the state and in people amongst themselves.

Ukrainians are in real danger of harassment and humiliating treatment (school children and young people are particularly vulnerable). If the subject is not addressed thoughtfully by the opposition, it will be exploited by populists. Not necessarily those in power in Poland, because their hands are tied by the self-conferred title to glory for Poland's generous behaviour towards refugees from Ukraine. This argument is used by PiS in its foreign policy.

Thus, the situation is somewhat reminiscent of that in Germany 2015, when genuine public fear of refugees found no articulation either in the media or in the mainstream parties, until the marginal AfD party took it up and suddenly grew into the third force in the country. In Poland, a year before the elections, the same could happen.

The basis for defusing this ticking bomb should be a message: you have a right to be afraid (of rising housing prices, lack of a place to go to the doctor or a nursery), you have a right to be tired of help. And patiently explaining and showing that the real threat is not refugees. And from below, this should be supported by real, not just legal integration, so that Poles really get to know Ukrainians, Belarusians and other refugees from the East. This, too, is not discussed and integration remains superficial. This is a task for the media, NGOs and public authorities.

Politicians, journalists, NGOs should be a bit like therapists in an anxiety society: helping to work through bad emotions in public debate. Otherwise, there will be the impression that "the media are deliberately not talking about it", which will be taken as further evidence of a conspiracy, and the distance of Poles from politics and the public sphere as a whole will increase even further. Just naming existing but unarticulated public concerns would be a good safety net.

It is a mistake both to flatter the Poles and repeat what a fantastic turn out they have had on the refugee issue (because it was different and now it is worse rather than better), and the contempt from enlightened Poles towards 'those primitives who go after refugees'. Both approaches can be dangerous. It is necessary to speak directly about the genuine fatigue of the Poles, the problem with rising housing prices and access to public services. Because politicians prefer to keep quiet about it, the much-needed public discussion about solutions has still not begun. We would like our report to contribute to changing this state of affairs.
You can read the entire report, in which we also examine other areas of social life (e.g. Poles' attitudes to psychotherapy or inflation) and the opportunities for politicians in the new reality, here: Polacy za Ukrainą, ale przeciw Ukraińcom. Raport z badań socjologicznych
While looking up this topic of migration, I found a page: European network for solidarity with Ukraine It is not clear if this site is related to the Ukrainian political party with a similar name European Solidarity, led by Petro Poroshenko, or a support group.
 

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