Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

So apparently the counter offensive is going badly for Ukraine and now some NATO countries are contemplating sending troops in from a non-NATO capacity?

According to the Duran, most EU elites actually believe the propaganda that Russian military is weak... 😔


This is how strong the propaganda is. Dr Campbell who talks more about COVID decided to make a video about this conflict where he casually said that the Ukraine counter offensive would be successful because they had all the wonder weapons from NATO

 
This is a while old, but it's worth bringing up now as it explains a bit more in depth the doctrine behind the Russian defenses in Zaporizhia:

The Russian Army rethinks defence doctrine
The Russian Army rethinks defence doctrine
by Sergio MillerMay 22, 2023

The April edition of the Russian Army’s house journal Voennaia mysl’ (‘Military Collection’) included an article entitled ‘Prospects for Improving the Efficiency of Army Defensive Operations’. The article was co-authored by Colonel-General A.V. Romanchuk and Colonel A.V. Shigin. Colonel-General Romanchuk is Rector of the Combined Arms Academy of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (VUNTS-SV).1 The Academy is the equivalent of the US Army’s Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, or the British Army’s Defence Academy in Shrivenham.

The subject of the article was not coincidental. For weeks Russian media has been speculating over a Kyiv spring offensive. The Russian Army has built extensive defensive belts and fortifications across the southern and eastern fronts. This article examines Romanchuk’s ideas for conducting the defensive battle and assesses how realistic they are given the state of the Russian Army after a year of grinding, attrition warfareThe purpose of defensive operations.

Romanchuk opens his argument with a Clausewitz dictum: defence is ‘waiting plus action’. ‘The main goal of defence, he explains, ’is to neutralize the initiative of the advancing enemy, i.e., to bring him to the state of impossibility to continue advancing with deployed forces. Ultimately, this allows you to reduce his activity and seize the initiative by going over to a decisive counter-offensive to defeat the enemy with shock groups.’

This is a rejoinder of Soviet-era orthodoxies and has been the over-arching framework of the annual strategic-operational exercises for decades. Moscow always assumed NATO would attack first. Exercises such as the famous Zapad (‘West’)-1977 represented a NATO surprise attack, including nuclear strike, followed by a massive Soviet and Warsaw Pact counter-offensive which aimed to reach Paris within one month. Zapad-2021 played the same basic scenario but on a greatly reduced scale and without the nuclear aspect. The imaginary attack by ‘West’ was launched against a thinly disguised Belarus, rescued by fraternal Russian forces launching a counter-offensive.
In his article, Romanchuk offers the example of Operation Balaton (the German Operation Spring Awakening) (6-15 March 1945) on the 3rd Ukrainian Front – for obvious reasons – and highlights ‘a bold manoeuver of the reserves…especially artillery, the skilful use of anti-tank reserves, vigilant detachments of obstacles and the arrangement of fire ambushes.’ Balaton/Spring Awakening was the very last German counter-offensive, swiftly followed by the collapse of the Nazi regime. Will this be the fate of the ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv, the article implies.
Be careful, Romanchuk cautions; in the post-war period, positional defences ‘according to the ‘not a step back’ principle’ have become obsolete. Looking for lessons in Balaton/Spring Awakening may mislead. He lists depth strike, UAVs, airmobile operations, remote mining and many other factors as examples of how a modern battlefield has changed. ‘These trends,’ he concludes, ’indicate a significant change in the nature and content of military conflicts compared to the period of the Great Patriotic War, which, in turn, requires the improvement and clarification of many provisions of the theory of military art.’

Romanchuk’s proposed updated defence doctrine

Romanchuk offers a mix of the old and new, as well as the contradictory. His first prescription is that defence must necessarily be based on ‘dispersed’ forces. Likely reflecting the numerical thinness of Russian forces and the sheer length of the front lines in Ukraine (over 800km of active fronts), he argues that holding everywhere ‘cannot be considered rational’. In his words: ‘In our opinion, a dispersed defensive operation should become a logical response to a superior enemy…which is based on the retention of important areas, objects and transport hubs in separate most important directions. Such an operation is characterized by an even distribution of forces and resources in areas, and decentralized use of formations and military units of the armed forces and special forces.’ The schematic below illustrates his concept of ‘dispersed’ defence.
Line drawing of dispersed defence in Russian doctrine

Romanchuk’s ‘dispersed’ defence concept Source: Armeiskii Sbornik April 23 Edition
His answer to the gaps between the dispersed forces is technology. ‘The gaps between important areas and objects can be covered by autonomous stationary or mobile robotic systems (RTC), UAVs, mine-explosive and non-explosive barriers, including those installed remotely. The technical component for organizing dispersed defence is already available.’
The guiding philosophy such a ‘dispersed’ defence is mobility. The Russian Army is already familiar with the idea because ‘manoeuvre defence’ has been the fashionable staple of exercises for a number of years. Dispersed units are not stationary units. Rather, they are ‘decentralised’ and have operational freedom to organize independent counter-attacks and raids, and conduct ‘reconnaissance and strike fire complexes (RUK and ROK).’ He adds, ‘A group of scientists of the VUNTS SV has developed and tested a promising army defensive operation at several command and staff military games for manoeuvre defence.’ It is probable he is referring to Russian war gaming at the highest level of the expected Ukrainian counter-offensive, and how best to counter and defeat.
In the modern ‘transparent’ battlefield, dispersion also offers the advantage of better protection: ‘Under these conditions, special attention, along with the dispersal of troops, should be paid to the preparation of an increased number of hidden and well-protected reserve positions, deployment areas for command posts, ammunition depots, fuel and lubricants and their timely change (up to several times a day), and also the strict observance of camouflage measures, the equipment of many false objects using the latest simulation tools, and the implementation of other effective measures to deceive the enemy.’
His second prescription somewhat contradicts the first. Having rejected ‘positional’ defences, he describes the basic defensive framework as three lines of defence (‘zones of defence responsibility’) with 8-12kms between the lines. The distances correspond with the ranges of medium calibre artillery (Russian guns have not been firing at the often-quoted maximum ranges but rather at more modest ranges). These defence lines he terms, cover, main and reaction (or the reserve). The ‘cover’ identifies the main axes of the enemy advance; the ‘main’ checks the enemy with obstacles and fire strikes; and the reserve mounts the decisive counter attack.
These ideas are not new. Romanchuk is reiterating long-standing Russian defence doctrine, now reflected in the network of defence lines constructed in southern and eastern Ukraine.

Schematic of '3 lines defence'.

The three lines of defence: cover, main and reserve Source: Armeiskii Sbornik April 23 Edition
recent update of Russian defensive locations.

Russian lines of defence in Zaporizhzhia Oblast Source: Militaryland.net
His third idea is airmobile counter-attack forces: ‘So, the presence of even a small number of subdivisions of the ‘new type’ [re=organised airborne forces] will allow you to combine air and ground operations, quickly create mobile barriers in threatened directions and manoeuver air and ground reserves, for example, to block or encircle settlements captured by the enemy. This also makes it possible to compensate for the lack of forces and means to cover sectors of the front where an enemy breakout is possible.’ The schematic below shows the employment of counter-attacking airmobile reserves.
Air mobile defence schematic

Airmobile forces used as counter-attacking reserve Source: Armeiskii Sbornik April 23 Edition

Is the proposed defence doctrine realistic in Ukraine?

Romanchuk offers sensible concepts for defence operations. However, it remains questionable whether Russian armed forces in Ukraine could execute the ideas.
First, Russian operations continue to be hobbled by inadequate tactical communications. A remarkable aspect of the war has been an absence of brigade still less divisional operations. After the chaotic charge in the first two weeks of the war and subsequent retreat, even battalion tactical group (BTG)-level operations have been rare. This year, the only example is the fiasco involving 155th Marines in Vuhledar. Instead, the Russian war has degenerated into countless platoon and company level actions – the only level of command confidently controlled with a mix of VHF radios and walkie-talkies. Joint operations – as understood by a Western soldier – are absent.
Second, there is the question of morale. The chmobiks (mobilised soldiers) have only been tested once, during the Kharkiv counter-offensive in September last year. They fled in disorganisation and confusion. Six months later, with no end in sight to their call-up, a willingness to fight remains uncertain. This matters because the chmobiks are filling ranks of depleted regular army units, barely recognisable from original orders of battle. Elite units such as the airborne forces and Spetsnaz have been especially heavily committed and are currently locked in stalemated fronts at Svatove, Kreminna, Bakhmut, and elsewhere. Some reporting suggests these units are also now filled with chmobiks and can no longer be considered elite. Even if the mobilised soldiers enjoyed better morale, do they have the training and skills to execute the type of agile, mobile operations described by Romanchuk?


Third, what are the Russian armed forces? Today, they are a mix of army units, airborne forces, Spetsnaz and GRU, National Guard, Interior Ministry police, Wagner mercenaries and other PMC groups, BARS reservists, ‘volunteer’ battalions, Chechens, militia battalions, Z-units (Zeks or mobilised convicts in the style of WW2 penal battalions) and naval infantry. Tuvans, Yakuts, Dagestanis, Ossetians, Bashkirs, Tatars, north-west Russians, southern Russians, and other ethnic groups are mixed up. In the communist past, the theory (but not reality) was everybody an equal Soviet citizen. Today, Russian resentment towards the ‘peripherals’ is alive and reciprocated. Tuva is Defence Minister Shoigu’s home territory. The region has been in the news recently because Russian place names are being replaced by Tuvan names, provoking anger in the Russian nationalist community. Wagner’s feud with the Ministry of Defence has turned into a long-running soap opera. The Chechens have withdrawn into their own private world. Discipline is being maintained through beatings and threats. Will this hotchpotch of armed groups hold? Coordinate? Or squabble and disintegrate?
Fourth, Romanchuk advances equipment or tactics that do not exist or are unrealistic. Using heliborne troops as a mobile reserve is not credible. Following the assault on Hostomel Airport on the day of the invasion – an action that cost dearly – there have been no attempts to mount helicopter operations. Russian aviation has lost over 80 aircraft. Many more would be lost if such actions were attempted. The proposal to use technological means to cover gaps does not reflect the reality of Ukraine’s vast spaces and the parlous, worn-down state of the Russian Army’s equipment.
At the time of writing, there is only one certainty: Kyiv will mount a counter-offensive in the near future. Whether Romanchuk’s concepts for ‘improving the efficiency of army defensive operations’ remain neat but unrealisable schematics is an open question.

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Sergio Miller​


Sergio Miller is a retired British Army Intelligence Corps officer. He was a regular contributor and book reviewer for British Army Review. He is the author of a two-part history of the Vietnam War (Osprey/Bloomsbury) and is currently drafting a history of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.



Footnotes​

  1. Military Educational and Scientific Centre of the Ground Forces (VUNTS SV) – Combined Arms Order of the Zhukov Academy of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

 
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Russians seem to keep in mind that the other guys are (maybe mostly at this point) brainwashed and programmed/indoctrinated kids of their brothers until yesterday so to say. Treating them as "kill'em all and leave to God to sort them later" will spill the bad blood, consequences of which could be felt indefinitely... especially in the context of continous propaganda and ponerization coming from the West.
In the midst of the current massacre of Ukrainian troops and mass destruction of famous NATO armor, Garland Nixon interviewed Scott Ritter, who is fresh back from Russia, spilling the beans. Its about The Russian Soul.
Essentially the West forced Ukrainian brothers to fight Russian brothers committing mass fratricide. Listening to this poignant interview makes one thunderstruck.
From our viewpoint of knowledge about the hyperdimensional war criminals causing this and they are hiding behind the curtain.
 
I think it's a bit more delicate and nuanced than just kill the enemy and get it over with. Russians seem to keep in mind that the other guys are (maybe mostly at this point) brainwashed and programmed/indoctrinated kids of their brothers until yesterday so to say. Treating them as "kill'em all and leave to God to sort them later" will spill the bad blood, consequences of which could be felt indefinitely... especially in the context of continous propaganda and ponerization coming from the West.
I couldnt agree more. That was small comic relief from my side.

( and nice oportunity to add Levin and his grass :rolleyes: )
 

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So they sow at the front lines? Which is what I said. Did you saw harvester on the front line in this war? Are you suggesting that russian helicopters are flying all over Ukraine and destroying harvesters? BTW, what exactly harvesters are doing at the fields right now, when it is not harvesting time yet. No need for harvesters.....
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The facts show the opposite.
Near the village of Olgino, Berislavsky District, a tractor driver who was driving along a field road to a land plot to carry out work exploded on an enemy mine.

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The arable land is being plowed again.
 
My reflection on this thread.

At a fairly early stage after opening this thread, I noticed that we are not trying to arrive at first-order generalizations about this "special operation" here. Instead, we seem to be flip-flopping on each other's accusations or, worse, agreeing with the opponent while writing the opposite. What is happening here is a negotiation of political correctness, not only by the establishment from the outside but also by the people on this thread who believe their point of view is closer to the truth.

Most of the participants don't bother to point out that they are discussing things imposed on them by official propaganda and avoid talking about important events happening in the background. Why are you joining the official propaganda?

I sometimes read to gather some facts and I avoid reading opinions, especially from emotionally involved individuals.

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The facts show the opposite.
Near the village of Olgino, Berislavsky District, a tractor driver who was driving along a field road to a land plot to carry out work exploded on an enemy mine.
How "soul-biting" it is! However, I would like to figure out what is "enemy" for you? However, it is also understandable. On the other hand, when you are blown up by a mine, it is always to a certain extent "enemy".
To make it more "soul-biting", I will present a video depicting an ordinary touching hedgehog, to which the already infamous anti-personnel mine "petal" has clung. They say that the hedgehog was subsequently freed from this filth.
With these "petals" the Ukrainian fascists fill up everything in a row, including settlements (there are a lot of confirming videos) and a lot of people have suffered from them. The most famous for me is the head of the War Gonzo channel, war correspondent Semen Pegov. Unlike many others, he was lucky in the sense that he only injured his toes. To many others, these petals tear off the feet completely.
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The following two news items are interesting precisely in sequence. Like- no one has started anything yet, but serious losses have already happened. The question arises by itself: what will happen in terms of losses when they start?
Hodges: the offensive of the Ukrainian army has not yet begun
The former commander of the US army in Europe, Ben Hodges, made a statement about the current situation in Ukraine. In his opinion, a preparatory operation is currently underway, the task of which is to confuse the command of the Russian army. According to him, the Ukrainian army itself has not yet launched a counteroffensive.

Recently, Hodges presented the situation in the Zaporozhye direction, including significant losses of the AFU in manpower and armored vehicles, as a "trap" for the Russian army, set up by the command of the Ukrainian army. According to him, the preparatory operation will be followed by a real counteroffensive, which the Russian troops cannot stop.

The main goal of the Ukrainian military, in his opinion, is to cut off the land route to the Crimea, and then isolate the peninsula for the purpose of subsequent "liberation". This will allow Ukraine to oust the Russian fleet from the Crimea and open the peninsula to "world trade", which in translation means giving access to the Americans and the British to build their military bases and control the Black Sea. Nevertheless, given that active battles have been replaced by positional ones, Hodges' statement raises questions.
Ходжес: наступление украинской армии ещё не началось

In a few days of fighting, the AFU lost 5% of military equipment supplied by NATO
According to information published in Forbes, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) suffered significant losses in combat, losing up to 5% of each batch of military equipment received from NATO. This statement was made by the journalist of the publication David Ex.

"The first attempts of the Ukrainian military to break through the Russian defense turned into a real failure," the Ex noted. He claims that the Russian side was able to destroy a significant percentage of armored vehicles transferred to Ukraine by the allies.

"Ukraine's allies have provided 21 large-caliber Leopard 2A6 and 109 M-2. The combat group of the 33rd and 47th Brigades lost about five percent of each batch of vehicles during one morning," the journalist said.

He emphasizes that such significant losses, especially if they cannot be compensated by repairing and restoring damaged equipment, can have serious consequences for the military campaign.

"This is a failure. The consequences can be very serious if Ukrainians are unable to restore and repair at least some of the damaged cars," the Ex said.

On the eve of June 10, the Russian military department reported that as a result of military clashes, the enemy suffered losses, both in personnel and in equipment. According to available information, about 300 Ukrainian soldiers were destroyed, as well as four Leopard tanks and five American Bradley infantry fighting vehicles.
За несколько дней боёв ВСУ потеряли 5% военной техники поставленной НАТО

Как это "душекусательно"! Однако тут бы разобраться, что для вас "вражеский"? Впрочем и так понятно и с другой стороны, когда ты подрываешься на мине, она всегда в определенной степени "вражеская".
Для пущей "душекусательности" я приведу видео, на котором изображен обыкновенный трогательный ежик, к которому прицепилась уже печально известная противопехотная мина "лепесток". Говорят, что ёжика впоследствии освободили от этой гадости. Этими "лепестками" украинские фашисты заваливают все подряд, в том числе населенные пункты (есть очень много подтверждающих видео) и много народу пострадало от них. Самый для меня известный это руководитель канала War Gonzo, военный корреспондент Семен Пегов. Ему, в отличие от многих других, повезло в том смысле, что только повредило пальцы на ноге. Многим другим эти лепестки отрывают ступни начисто.
Следующие две новости являются интересными именно в последовательности. Типа- никто ещё ничего и начинал, а уже случились серьезные потери. Сам собой возникает вопрос: чего же будет в смысле потерь, когда начнут?
 
My reflection on this thread.

At a fairly early stage after opening this thread, I noticed that we are not trying to arrive at first-order generalizations about this "special operation" here. Instead, we seem to be flip-flopping on each other's accusations or, worse, agreeing with the opponent while writing the opposite. What is happening here is a negotiation of political correctness, not only by the establishment from the outside but also by the people on this thread who believe their point of view is closer to the truth.

Most of the participants don't bother to point out that they are discussing things imposed on them by official propaganda and avoid talking about important events happening in the background. Why are you joining the official propaganda?

I sometimes read to gather some facts and I avoid reading opinions, especially from emotionally involved individuals.

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I agree with your remark about opinions.
But what background events do you have in mind? I'm curious.

Actually all we really got is the official propaganda of either one side or the other. Forming a point of view when you're far from events that are happening is only possible through reading/listening/watching what other people has to say or show to the public. That's why it's essential to be cautious and try to compare facts, listen to people who are reliable, don't jump to conclusions or believe things we hear or see. Especially with highly developed deep fake technology - at this point no one can know for sure if what they're seeing/hearing is true.

There's a huge information war on both sides. That's why it's so difficult to follow events happening on the battlefield. We can never be sure about anything. Both the west and Russian side are exaggerating or twisting facts, but I myself trust Russian side more because the west proved itself to be full of pathological liars and psychopaths.
 
Actually all we really got is the official propaganda of either one side or the other. Forming a point of view when you're far from events that are happening is only possible through reading/listening/watching what other people has to say or show to the public. That's why it's essential to be cautious and try to compare facts, listen to people who are reliable, don't jump to conclusions or believe things we hear or see. Especially with highly developed deep fake technology - at this point no one can know for sure if what they're seeing/hearing is true.
Very well noticed. And just then a new piece of propaganda arrived. I wonder what other nasty things the Banderites have planned?
According to the latest information received, the enemy has produced 1,200 sets of Russian-style military uniforms for the Special Operations Forces of Ukraine.
The symbols, stripes, insignia, patterns, as well as the material are completely identical to their Russian counterparts.
These kits are planned to be transferred to the following directions: Sumy, Kharkiv, Kherson, Zaporozhye.
Among the kits: the uniform of the FSB, the Rosgvardiya (there are kits with the insignia of the Akhmat regiment), the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
Also, for the MTR of Ukraine, dry rations were delivered to the Kherson direction, in particular of their own Ukrainian production, as well as (MRE-14) made in the USA, and IRP-P, IRP-B of Russian production.

At the disposal of the special services of Ukraine there are explosives manufactured by the Russian Federation, in particular: TNT blocks and bags with hexogen, cumulative projectiles. In the Kharkiv direction, there is a concentration of equipment previously captured in battles with the Russian Federation. Wheeled trucks: KAMAZ, URAL, as well as a certain number of BTR-80.
The enemy is preparing to carry out sabotage, which will be covered as an action committed by Russian law enforcement agencies. (Boris Rozhin)
12.06.2023 Наступление ВСУ: "МЯСНОЙ ШТУРМ" - враг рвется к узлу дорог в Старомлыновке. Карта боев СЕГОДНЯ: Сторожевое, Макаровка (21 видео) смотреть онлайн в хорошем качестве

Очень хорошо подмечено. И вот тут как раз подоспело новенькое из пропаганды. Интересно, какую еще гадость замыслили бандеровцы?
 
Most of the participants don't bother to point out that they are discussing things imposed on them by official propaganda and avoid talking about important events happening in the background. Why are you joining the official propaganda?

I sometimes read to gather some facts and I avoid reading opinions, especially from emotionally involved individuals.
Probably a fair, as we say, stone in my garden. Of course, not only in mine, but including.
In my defense, I can state the following. I have already written that I have relatives living in the LPR and through them I have quite a lot of information, as they say, directly from the ground, bypassing all kinds of media. This information is often and in many ways simply shocking, but I have never allowed myself to drag it to this forum. Yes, I probably can't completely emotionally distance myself from what is happening, but what you see here from my side has already been "edited", if I may say so.

Наверно справедливый, как у нас говорят, камень в мой огород. Конечно не только в мой, но в том числе.
В свое оправдание могу заявить следующее. Я уже писал, что у меня есть родственники, проживающие в ЛНР и через них я имею довольно много информации, что называется прямо с земли, минуя всякие СМИ. Эта информация часто и во многом бывает просто шокирующая, однако я никогда не позволял себе тащить это на данный форум. Да, наверное я не могу полностью эмоционально дистанцироваться от происходящего, но то что вы видите здесь с моей стороны, уже "отредактировано", если можно так сказать.
 
At a fairly early stage after opening this thread, I noticed that we are not trying to arrive at first-order generalizations about this "special operation" here.
Having tried to find out what you mean by "first-order generalizations" I have come across some uses as in: First-order generalization of the MPMA belief uodate operator

And in this blog post:
Wittgenstein’s Generalisations About Generalisations
Paul Austin Murphy

Dec 13, 2019
[...]
However, Wittgenstein’s statement about all generalisations is a second-order (or metalinguistic) generalisation. (Compare with Karl Popper’s Falsification Principle and the object-metalanguage distinction of Alfred Tarski.) That is, it’s a generalisation about generalisations: not a generalisation about events or things which aren’t themselves taken to be linguistic generalisations. If all first-order generalisations (i.e., those in the “object language”) are unclarifications, then a second-order generalisation about first-order generalisations can be seen either being free from the property unclarity (i.e., due to its second-order status); or as being itself a victim of such a property (i.e., perhaps it’s not an actual or genuine metalinguistic statement).
Here is another example:
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How does the concept of first-order generalization apply to commenting on the conflict in Ukraine and related subjects in this thread?
 
Scott Ritter, who is fresh back from Russia, spilling the beans. Its about The Russian Soul.

It is also the history of the Russian soul that Putin recounted in his speech in February 2022, before the denazification and demilitarisation of Ukraine began. So it now seems that he understands the mystification perpetuated by the West? Good!

Thanks to Laura's research, we know that that doesn't mean what they think it means: 'a dictator come to destroy our way of life'. It actually means 'one good man commits to right action in the face of all the powers ranged against him'.


And there's something else they miss in their own words: the significance of Putin's use of, and grasp of, history. I don't have his work to hand, so perhaps others can correct me, but didn't Collingwood say something to the effect that the most judicious solutions to current problems are those which emerge from 'going deep into history'?

His enemies are acting all shocked and repulsed by Putin's TV address outlining his understanding of the history of Ukraine from a Russian perspective, but they really shouldn't be. Putin laid it all out in writing in an expansive article published on the Kremlin website last summer.

This is from 700 pages back, on 22 February 2022. Just as a reminder.
 
'Indulging in US hawkish strategy: Ukraine is not for peace but for prolonging the conflict.'

12 Jun, 2023

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