Possibly, but the videos show very little explosions on impact from those warheads, although it's likely they did significant damage. In any case, the point of this exercise was primarily to send a message to NATO.
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Possibly, but the videos show very little explosions on impact from those warheads, although it's likely they did significant damage. In any case, the point of this exercise was primarily to send a message to NATO.
taratai
Jedi
This makes it sound as if this facility was working on those missiles carrying tactical nukes that Zelensky was warning about recently. If the claims about the destruction are true, the attack might have caused the nuclear material to detonate, and that would explain the supposed destruction and earthquake-like effects.
Nević Nenad
The Living Force
Any explosion can have earthquake like effects. Its only the mater how big and how close explosion is. If its really big you will "feel it through the floor", especially in steel and concrete buildings. If smaller, you will hear and see your window glasses bending and snapping (that's why you have windows opened with shutters down if expecting explosions). In cities, among the many buildings, you can actually not even see or hear explosion, but the windows and other glass goes "takatakatakataka" from some far away shock wave.
Was the missiles' high speed, (several times the speed of sound) along with their near-vertical descent be a cause of the bright plasma glow seen around the missiles? They were intensely cutting magnetic lines of force while traveling through differing levels of charge in the atmosphere, producing much current and electrical potential. Or... some of the above could have combined with the fuel combustion.
Deneb
Padawan Learner
im not an weapon expert but i suspect that if load was purely kinetic then explosions and fires would be close to nil, in fact it may be new type of weapon due to not needing any explosive load at all, impact of projectile accelerated to insane speed will will leave everything in rubble and it probably is what we have seen
Does this mean that EU spy agencies are involved in money laundering scheme in Ukraine?
mantle
Jedi
Dnepropetrovsk is one of many Soviet forbidding factories, [this one was very extensive ], an industrial power house used for the production , manufacture and containment of all types of hard core ammunitions . and sortied weapons for the defence of the Communist realm. Soviet Nuclear ammunition was but is no longer stored there. During the Soviet collapse the weapons were dispersed back to Russia. It is a military " Makarovka" hiding extensive underground facilities , underground rail included. I have not been there and originally it was not permitted nor allowed, printable nor permissible to speak about it .Military secrets are heavily punishable to divulge. What is hidden from view is usually what matters most.
Putin's Russia knew all about it and gave it a Big overwhelming . The underground facilities no longer exist.
Oreshnik is a disorder for all perceptions of military might currently understood in the West
The govt of Ukraine has blacked out all information on Dnepropetrovsk , adulterated grainy images , and no observers are allowed not even close to it.
So what's the West to do. Even though their pockets are as empty as their hearts , the degree and malevolence of their kind is beyond the aggression of most. Eastern Ukraine is all about extensive rare earth minerals Kursk is also about iron ore. Their NWO demands the full control of all commodities in the planet. Russia is the wealthiest of them all. Oreshnik could be knell of death to them. It does what nuclear does but without its worst effects.
So the answer to the hated Russian govt is PR and silent rage.
Oreshnik cannot be preempted. So Russian hypersonic power according to them never happened.
It can carry a nuclear payload but it does not yet exist.
Such is their PR war.
As hard core as the Oreshnik is.
Putin's Russia knew all about it and gave it a Big overwhelming . The underground facilities no longer exist.
Oreshnik is a disorder for all perceptions of military might currently understood in the West
The govt of Ukraine has blacked out all information on Dnepropetrovsk , adulterated grainy images , and no observers are allowed not even close to it.
So what's the West to do. Even though their pockets are as empty as their hearts , the degree and malevolence of their kind is beyond the aggression of most. Eastern Ukraine is all about extensive rare earth minerals Kursk is also about iron ore. Their NWO demands the full control of all commodities in the planet. Russia is the wealthiest of them all. Oreshnik could be knell of death to them. It does what nuclear does but without its worst effects.
So the answer to the hated Russian govt is PR and silent rage.
Oreshnik cannot be preempted. So Russian hypersonic power according to them never happened.
It can carry a nuclear payload but it does not yet exist.
Such is their PR war.
As hard core as the Oreshnik is.
axj
The Living Force
The certifiably insane are getting desperate before Trump takes office - now giving Ukraine nukes is apparently "in discussion" in the US:
www.rt.com
And Medvedev agrees:
Transfer of nukes to Kiev would be viewed as attack on Russia – Medvedev
The former president’s warning follows reports that discussions have been held in the US about Ukraine obtaining a nuclear arsenal
And Medvedev agrees:
Nević Nenad
The Living Force
But we don't know what else Russia have up in their sleeves. Also, Oreshnik is ammunition, so there is possibility that it could be mounted on other missile as a carrier. For example Yars, which could carry more of it, on the distance of 11.000 kilometers and at its own speed (while in its ballistic trajectory) of about 25 times the speed of sound. (which is more than double the speed of Oreshnik carrier). Plus, it can release Oreshnik submunition from even higher altitude, which can make it hits the target at even greater speed.
Someone calculated that just one bomb (out of 36) of Oreshnik, without any load, due to its speed, releases energy at the impact equivalent to one ton of TNT.
But what about above ground facilities? It doesn't look like Oreshnik did much damage to them. That should be seen by satellites.
I don't know what the next rung on Russia's response ladder is, but if I were advising them I'd suggest another Oreshnik much closer to the Polish border. I don't think the insane people in power will see reason but they are somewhat reliant on more rational human beings in order to conduct any of their operations. Someone will see sense, it just remains to be seen whether their input will make enough difference.
I don’t know where I heard it anymore, but apparently the biggest and most significant part of the structure was situated underground and that is what the Russians took aim at. So it might have been rather literally a bunker busting operation, first and foremost. If so, naturally you wouldn’t see much damage on the surface because the warheads were designed to pinch through the surface like a needle and deliver most of the damage underground. And maybe that was also meant to show elites in the west that they are not safe in their bunkers? Maybe that was the actual point of it?
Pretty much what we've been saying here. "Trying to do everything possible to strengthen Ukraine" before a possible peace deal, which means making the use of NATO long range precision weapons against Russian territory a fact on the ground, plus the possible placement of NATO troops in Western Ukraine.
