Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

[Cosmos]

Putin met with the defense ministry leadership, representatives of the military-industrial complex and missile system developers, giving us more details on the Oreshnik missile that was used:

Especially noteworthy are the following two characteristics of the Oreshnik missile system:

Given the weapon’s designated tasks and range, it can hit targets across Europe, offering significant advantages over other types of long-range precision weapons. As you earlier noted, the mass use of this weapon would be comparable to the use of nuclear weapons.

In other words: As soon as Russia can and will build Oreshnik missiles on mass (which will likely be soon), the systems power and efficiency can be used in ways on ANY target within Europe that are comparable with the use of nuclear weapons. With three big differences: First; it doesn’t leave deadly nuclear radiation behind for ages, second; it can hit targets very precisely and quickly, and thirdly; it doesn‘t have to be nuclear. So, Russia basically told/showed us that they can and will use weapons that can deliver similar objectives/results as the deployment of nuclear weapons without needing to use nuclear weapons! So, in theory, they can use that system, get similar results as nuclear weapons would in Europe, while not risking nuclear war.

 

[Cosmos]

It almost looks to me like if the Oreshnik system would be used either individually or on mass scale, that its effects (and how it looks when it hits) might be somewhat comparable to a bombardment of many pretty small comet fragments that hit the ground? I thought about similar things for quite a while since there are probably other hypersonic systems the russians have too, that have similar effects.

So, here is a nice conspiracy theory:

What if at some level that whole thing about creating and using hypersonic missiles (and the current new cold war in general) is a means to cover up real comet impacts anywhere on earth by “blaming the Russians“?

Can‘t let people on mass know that their leaders are incapable of stopping what is coming, and thus loose control? So they try to calm the masses by making them believe that something can be done, because humans are doing it (aka. the “evil“ Russians)? If so, that might imply that some of the PTB have rather concrete data that something wicked is coming and also more or less a specific timeframe of when it will start to happen.

 

[Ian]

It almost looks to me like if the Oreshnik system would be used either individually or on mass scale, that its effects (and how it looks when it hits) might be somewhat comparable to a bombardment of many pretty small comet fragments that hit the ground? I thought about similar things for quite a while since there are probably other hypersonic systems the russians have too, that have similar effects.

So, here is a nice conspiracy theory:

What if at some level that whole thing about creating and using hypersonic missiles (and the current new cold war in general) is a means to cover up real comet impacts anywhere on earth by “blaming the Russians“?

Can‘t let people on mass know that their leaders are incapable of stopping what is coming, and thus loose control? So they try to calm the masses by making them believe that something can be done, because humans are doing it (aka. the “evil“ Russians)? If so, that might imply that some of the PTB have rather concrete data that something wicked is coming and also more or less a specific timeframe of when it will start to happen.

I think this was mentioned in the transcripts, that "they" cover the cometary bombardment with statements that some kind of technology testing or something similar is being performed, and/or "they" substantiate it with real military actions before and/or after the impact of the comet. If this was the case with the Oreshnik missile, then maybe some more comets are expected today and tomorrow. Some sources are saying that more tests could occur on the 23rd and 24th of november. If they will occur we can expect to see some more "Oreshnik" or maybe some "new missiles" being presented and tested, serving as a cover up for cometary bombardment. But maybe that is not the case here and we could see some technologies that are capable of quick and easy destruction. Whatever the case, the picture isn't the prettiest.
Perhaps there is a way to come to a conclusion through research and comparisons of hypersonic missiles with comets that fall to the ground. Maybe that is something we could look in to if we consider it important?

 

[Adobe]

To add to the conspiracy theory just a bit, I’ll add the David Dubyne is prognosticating for the first quarter of 2025 the earth will be out in front, and the sun and all the other planets will be behind the earth, while a debris field will be incoming and the earth will take the full brunt of the incoming space debris. And that April 15 will be the center of that time and it could look like day and night bombardment of the planet. Also discusses plasma blast will be seen in the skies above. So having some new “meteor like” and “plasma inducing” weapons could work as a cover story.

This forum is well acquainted with Davids work, so I wont post a video. But if someone wants one, just ask, or use the search feature to find his work.

 

[SOTTREADER]

To add to the conspiracy theory just a bit, I’ll add the David Dubyne is prognosticating for the first quarter of 2025 the earth will be out in front, and the sun and all the other planets will be behind the earth, while a debris field will be incoming and the earth will take the full brunt of the incoming space debris. And that April 15 will be the center of that time and it could look like day and night bombardment of the planet. Also discusses plasma blast will be seen in the skies above. So having some new “meteor like” and “plasma inducing” weapons could work as a cover story.

This forum is well acquainted with Davids work, so I wont post a video. But if someone wants one, just ask, or use the search feature to find his work.

Sounds fake to me. This David person is scare mongering for laughs. #shockvalue?

 

[Adobe]

Thanks for your opinion @SOTTREADER. I happen to disagree. I think David’s work has some merit.

FWIW:

(Adobe) And a more specific point would be if he's right about March, April, and May of 2025 being wide open to bolides, that would kind of concur with comets coming in April.

(L) So, how accurate?

A: He is often close, but there are still some surprises.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Thanks for your opinion @SOTTREADER. I happen to disagree. I think David’s work has some merit.

FWIW:

(Adobe) And a more specific point would be if he's right about March, April, and May of 2025 being wide open to bolides, that would kind of concur with comets coming in April.

(L) So, how accurate?

A: He is often close, but there are still some surprises.

Okie doke. I still stand by my intuition that it's scaremongering, utilisation of shock value and the extinction level events described in your post won't happen in the specified dates. Let's revisit this post April 16th + assuming civilization is still around .

 

[Adobe]

@SOTTREADER I couldn’t agree with you more about times and specific dates. I was just speculating with someone who was also speculating. And I do think some speculation helps sort things through. Personally, I don’t take the 15th of April as a significant date, it is just the center point of a movement of the earth. I don’t trust times and date. I think the C’s said something along the lines of never trust them. So, I speculate about timing but I don’t put much stock in it.

Thanks again for your responses, and looking forward to your message on the 16th of April


On more FWIW:

(Adobe) You know that our understanding of time is so-so at best, yet you answer "at times" from our point of reference and it of course rarely works to our understanding of time. So why do you answer us with our time references?

(L) I think that's fairly obvious. Because they're talking to us and they want to communicate. I mean...

(Adobe) Is there a lesson we are supposed to be getting from this? Or is it just noise/static?

(L) I don't understand your question.

(Joe) What do you mean?

(Adobe) Okay. On that question, they often answer, and I'm thinking specifically right now of... It was asked, "is the next real pandemic possibly gonna happen in two months?" The answer was no. "Is it going to happen within two years?" "Yes." And two years passed, so somebody brought it up, and there is regularly something like that, where the Cs will answer with a time reference that we understand (like "within two years") and then, it doesn't happen. So if they know our time reference, why would they even answer that? Why wouldn't they just allude from it and say, you know, wait and see? But they say, like that last time, "within two years", and it doesn't happen within two years. I'm kind of left with "wait for the other shoe to drop." Is there something we should be learning here?

(L) Well, I don't know which specific reference you're talking about. Do you, Niall?

(Niall) Yes. We asked about the likelihood of a plague, in the sense of the Black Death. And it was sometime in the mid-teens, they said "in 18 months to two years" or something like that. Well, there has not been a Black Death in that time period.

(L) Right. I don't know! Okay. What's the answer to that?

A: Reality is open and plans change.

(There is more to this answer, but that about sums it up. And there was another C’s comment about all time / date messages should be considered suspect.) Red Flag.

 

[Deneb]

To add to the conspiracy theory just a bit, I’ll add the David Dubyne is prognosticating for the first quarter of 2025 the earth will be out in front, and the sun and all the other planets will be behind the earth, while a debris field will be incoming and the earth will take the full brunt of the incoming space debris. And that April 15 will be the center of that time and it could look like day and night bombardment of the planet. Also discusses plasma blast will be seen in the skies above. So having some new “meteor like” and “plasma inducing” weapons could work as a cover story.

This forum is well acquainted with Davids work, so I wont post a video. But if someone wants one, just ask, or use the search feature to find his work.

Given immense vastness of space I don't think it matters if earth is on front or back as planets are mere specks of dust in the infinite

 

[Bluegazer]

So, here is a nice conspiracy theory:

What if, in reality, the development of these weapons was actually a measure taken by the Russians knowing that there would be an eventual cometary impact, and with hypersonic speeds they could intercept the bolides before hundreds of tunguska-type events occur on Russian territory?

 

[RedFox]

Something about these weapons creating plasma triggered some memories. What if by firing them, and the projectiles creating plasma, they can (accidentally? deliberately?) 'channel' electrically charged meteors along the same path?

I remember this: Was the West, Texas Explosion a Meteor Impact?

Session Date: May 28th 2013
[..]
(L) So we didn't even ask anything about the fertilizer explosion. So, ask! (Perceval) What caused the Waco fertilizer plant explosion?

A: Information overload in the form of a small comet fragment with a massive electrical charge.

Q: (Perceval) There was a fire burning before the explosion. What caused that fire?

A: First fragment.

{Think of the fires in Scotland.}

Q: (L) I think they were being a little bit facetious about explosions being "information overloads", like a play on words?

A: Yes.

I believe the discussion at the time suggested that the electrically charged gasses (rising high into the atmosphere) created channels in the atmosphere for meteors to ground on.

 

[lilies]

Why No nukes / M.A.D. allowed and why possibly Earth will be even shielded from bigger asteroids by Orion STS, no less

Here is my 2 cents.

M.A.D.:
Kennedy spoke about the need to preserve Earth from nuclear fallout on Sep 25, 1961. This M.A.D. video model shows smoke obstructing 70% of sunlight - days will be like full-moon lit nights - for 10 years, exceptionally cold temperatures, so there won't be crops, no animals and no humans.

I was thinking about the increasing nuclear war fears of politicians and alt-media persons and why the aliens won't allow full nuclear destruction. I tried to figure out what we can expect:

1. Aliens can clean up radiation, so its not that big deal, but the process would be extra waste of their energy and they hate wasting energy as they are contractile - energy-hungry.

2. Global nuclear war would destroy large numbers of human bodies, which they aim to re-use intact, ~98%.

3. Planet-wide EM disturbances as a result of nukes would probably mess with their collector ship navigations making them prone to the already famous UFO crashes. Notice how they even avoid large methane outgassings at sea.

4. All animals killed suddenly in a global conflagration would prevent aliens conveniently continue mutilating cattle to maintain their personnel already here on Earth: their gray workers and other servants who need blood-nutrient baths regularly would malfunction.

5. I think they plan a slow demolition of our society which is projected to be 8.8 billion strong by around 2035. Think about how corporations are purposefully maximizing burger meat production by financial quarters, how they care about the health of their cattle to maximize profit and minimize losses.

6. They may even destroy bigger incoming asteroids in the future to prevent a sudden extinction-level event.

Nuclear war would ruin their perfect plan, making it too energetically wasteful, I think. They need their gray drones to maintain their bi-density bases infrastructure and fly their current fleet on Earth.

Therefore the C's will be confirmed, I think: (A) no nuclear war, (B) only gradual asteroid / meteorite bombardment will be allowed so (C) the world will be only slowly starving until around ~2035. In order that large swathes of humans and animals shall remain continually available as food.

By the time the invasion arrives the remaining population is to be weakened by long starvation, unable to mount significant resistance.

Therefore, I think, Orion STS is planning more of a slow and smooth corporate takeover with minimal military activities, rather than a trigger-happy US-style gung-ho mass bombardment.

 

[Cosmos]

What if, in reality, the development of these weapons was actually a measure taken by the Russians knowing that there would be an eventual cometary impact, and with hypersonic speeds they could intercept the bolides before hundreds of tunguska-type events occur on Russian territory?

Interesting idea for sure! Although I think a laser type system is probably far better equipped in dealing with comet fragments coming in, especially at short notice. Mainly because of time/speed issues. Getting a laser to fire can be more or less instantaneous while getting a rocket fired and up to speed probably takes quite a lot longer. A comet fragment can be incredibly fast so that every tiny split second could make the difference between it hitting earth or not. I’m pretty sure the Russians have quite some interesting laser type weapons. But something like that?

Also, cloud cover and other factors might make a laser less ideal. And also that one laser can only cover the visible sky dome from that position. So maybe a combination of laser and hypersonic missiles would be most effective? And/or lasers mounted on Satellites above the clouds?

 

[Mr.Cyan]

Here is some info from Martin Armstrong - on the aftermath of the strike on Dnipro from "sources" in Ukraine:

Info On Dnipro | Armstrong Economics

Sources from Ukraine confirm that Dnipro (Dnipropetrovsk), Ukraine, was a major facility for manufacturing missiles from Western components and relabeling

www.armstrongeconomics.com

"Sources from Ukraine confirm that Dnipro (Dnipropetrovsk) Ukraine was a major facility for Ukraine to manufacture missiles from Western components and relabel them “made in Ukraine” to shelter the Western suppliers in the NATO war against Russia. The Russian ICBM attack utterly destroyed the Yuzhmash manufacturing, which was an industrial giant even from the days of the USSR. It made rockets during the former USSR and intercontinental missiles for the USSR. According to sources, the Yuzhmash plant no longer exists.

Most of the facility was underground. Ukraine was manufacturing drones and rocket engines. This is where they assembled their weapons. There were three floors underground, each 6 meters high. Zelensky never thought Russia could possibly destroy this operation—but it has.

While this was just a conventional weapon, the impact was so powerful that buildings for several kilometers from the plant shook and suffered damage. Because this facility was underground, all the pipes for the water supply in the city have been destroyed. Messages have gotten out, and the resident commented that it felt like an earthquake.n Keep in mind this was devastating yet it was still just conventional. They could also deploy six nuclear warheads. Those hiding in bunkers are no longer safe during nuclear war,

Despite the Western Press still preaching the Neocon propaganda, emergency meetings reflect that this is a very serious development for warfare. Putin could have easily taken out Europe and American nuclear capability if he really wanted to conquer Europe, but he has been against turning this into World War III."

 

[lilies]

'Strong earthquake'-feeling confirmed by Dnepropetrovsk residents after Russian Hypersonic KINETIC Multi-Strike

that it felt like an earthquake.n Keep in mind this was devastating yet it was still just conventional.

The warheads were separating into multiple, independently maneuvering hypersonic-kinetic missiles and performed a mass bombardment at the underground facilities, exploding UNDER THE SURFACE. This must have resulted in earthquake wave propagation. Remember that Tesla was experimenting with Earthquake Weapons. He cracked strong buildings with his "earthquake machine" rhythmic vibrational instrument turned on in his lab. He received warnings from government to CEASE IMMEDIATELY after strong buildings were observed cracking in the vicinity.

So essentially the Russians here are field-testing a local Earthquake DOOM WEAPON. As you can see on the videos the Hazel Grove like falling-mist-column (dragon teeth) structure is there, because the MIRV warhead separates in flight into a swarm of angry wasps, which become independently violently maneuvering hypersonic missiles. Signature attack style of those missiles is that when they arrive at the target, they suddenly GO UP and then violently strike down vertically. This to make any conventional ballistic air-defense interception even more impossible.

The nuclear filling in those missiles were never the goal, I think. Rather the earthquakes were, which are RUNAWAY technology quickly getting out of control as we know from US Deep State earthquake-generator experiments.

Yuzhmash - is the name of the LARGE INDUSTRIAL PLANT that was hit is no more, it simply ceased to exist after the visit of Oreshnik. It used to be a colossal plant which had its own bus routes. There is nothing left there, only dust. People are in shock. Apartment blocks in the vicinity of what used to be Yuzhmash are cracked. Here where it was, it was designed to continue to operate even in the nuclear war and nukes going off nearby.

Now that big nuke-proof factory is gone!

1. SBU classified any information about the event.
2. The whole city was feeling the event as a strong earthquake.
3. People point out that Yuzhmash was attacked before--Kalibrs would fly in, destroy parts or whole shops and start fires here and there on the territory of the plant. Now it is just gone, including underground facilities ...

This is a signal, indeed--Russia doesn't need nukes to wipe out anything. Medvedev didn't bluff when stated that Russia may unleash the weapon of a power world hasn't seen before. Here it is.

/Article source/
That's why NATO scrambled a quick meeting. These earthquake weapons - are designed to be of limited use, because they can literally cause a runaway QUAKE chain-reaction destroying infrastructure at the opposing end of the globe as the shock-waves reverberate in our planetary sphere.

I would like to know, how the Hollow Earth underground civilization cities are feeling and discussing this.