Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

[RedFox]

Some key statements by Putin at the CSTO Collective Security Council session on the "Oreshnik" and it's capabilities.

It does seem to be re-writing the rules. You can basically now 'nuke' something without all the radioactive fallout, and presumably without breaching the dimensional boarders.
Considering it's the equivalent of nuclear bunker buster as well.

It's like the invention of the nuke. But this time everyone (in the west) is pretending it doesn't exist. Which would go with the PR game they are playing.

Reality VS PR - who will win?!

 

[N1mTzo]

Here's Rutte basically saying what we've been saying: all recent events are attempts to frame the battlefield by both sides to be in a better position to negotiate a settlement.

Putin literally said the following today:

- The Kyiv leaders are now completely illegitimate, they are usurpers and do not even have the right to give orders to the army;

- The Russian Defense Ministry and the General Staff are selecting targets for the Oreshnik missile to hit on Ukrainian territory, these could be decision-making centers in Kyiv.

PS Illegitimacy means that Putin simply has no one to negotiate with, neither with Ukraine nor with anyone else. NATO is also not a treaty-capable organization, since they have violated ALL possible treaties with Russia over the past 30 years.

Full video of Putin's monologue from the CSTO meeting today - Выступление на заседании Совета коллективной безопасности ОДКБ в узком составе

 

[msasa79]

And here's a top Ukrainian MP from Zelensky's party going all in for a peace settlement, even nominating Trump (in advance!) for creating a "just peace" in Ukraine!

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Looks like implicitly putting pressure on Trump to deliver "just peace" as seen from the Ukrainian side. The real just peace, if and when agreed upon by the Russians and put in practice of denazification, almost certainly won't be to the liking of current Ukrainian regime.

 

[msasa79]

The US assessed that Russia would not use nuclear weapons after Russian military placed Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile on combat duty.

I think it's rather obvious by now, after the real live testing of the Oreshniks, that Russia does not need classic nukes and most probably won't go that route, to deliver devastating blows to their military enemies. Why risk global devastation and radiation, and international condemnation for opening that Pandora's box, if the same goal can be perhaps even better achieved by other, modern and maybe even more efficient means?

Edit: By showing what they can do with Oreshniks, Russians have effectively also closed the doors for potential nuclear false flag attacks to be blamed on them, deduction based on same reasoning as in above paragraph. FWIW.

The winter is coming and the snow is white as same as the house.

Not familiar with this expression or saying, could you please explain the meaning in the context of the above quoted statement?

 

[Scottie]

The temperature of "Oreshnik's" destructive elements reaches 4,000 degrees Celsius.

Steel melts at between 1200 and 1500 C.

Lava is between 700 and 1250 C.

So you can imagine what a hypersonic projectile would do even to underground steel-reinforced concrete bunkers at 4000 C...

Just sayin'!!!

 

[msasa79]

Addition (editing time for previous post expired):

Edit: By showing what they can do with Oreshniks, Russians have effectively also closed the doors for potential nuclear false flag attacks to be blamed on them, deduction based on same reasoning as in above paragraph. FWIW.

And in such a way also taken out of the West's hands a 'justification' to fire their nukes onto Russia in retaliation. If the West still decides to go that path, in current constellation of things on the ground, it will be evident to everybody and their dogs that the very West was in fact the one that really started the nuclear armageddon in earnest.
And even in that case, it's a question with no immediate and clear answer if the Russians would respond in kind to that kind of attack. OSIT.

 

[Aeneas]

So you can imagine what a hypersonic projectile would do even to underground steel-reinforced concrete bunkers at 4000 C...

It could also explain why a Canadian Lieutenant colonel died from "medical complications" if he had been anywhere near the impact place. The MSM reassures us that he wasn't so perhaps he was just taking up hiking in the mountains in the middle of the night and slipped.

Lieutenant Colonel Kent Miller of the Canadian Corps of Engineers reportedly died "from medical complications" on 25 November 2024. He was serving with Joint Task Force Ukraine (JTF-U) as part of the Canadian Armed Forces' Operation UNIFIER , which is aimed at training Ukrainian proxies for combat against Russia.According to Canadian authorities, at the time of his death, Miller was serving at Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) in Casteau, Belgium, where he was responsible for UNIFIER “planning and coordination.” Before that, he was the commander of the 41st Engineer Regiment of the Canadian Army.

 

[Persej]

Steel melts at between 1200 and 1500 C.

Lava is between 700 and 1250 C.

So you can imagine what a hypersonic projectile would do even to underground steel-reinforced concrete bunkers at 4000 C...

Just sayin'!!!

I can imagine, but I still want some pictures and videos.

 

[msasa79]

I can imagine, but I still want some pictures and videos.

You sound almost like "nevjerni Toma" (doubting Thomas).

 

[The Mechanic]

I'm not so sure Russia has now lowered the believability of a false flag. If a huge bomb would go off in a European city and the media blamed the Russians, easily 95% of the population would swallow it hook, line and sinker.

 

[mantle]

"easily 95% of the population would swallow it hook , line and sinker. "
How could they not , all being the eager recipients of massive lying Western propaganda. All will fall just as precisely as the ( 11 buildings fell. Vertically.

 

[axj]

I'm not so sure Russia has now lowered the believability of a false flag. If a huge bomb would go off in a European city and the media blamed the Russians, easily 95% of the population would swallow it hook, line and sinker.

According to the C's, 75% voted for Trump, basically ignoring the MSM. It is probably worse in Europe, but not as bad as only 5% not believing the media.

 

[axj]

So, here is a nice conspiracy theory:

What if at some level that whole thing about creating and using hypersonic missiles (and the current new cold war in general) is a means to cover up real comet impacts anywhere on earth by “blaming the Russians“?

If that theory is correct, it is strange that Putin is making it easier to blame impacts on Russia by comparing the impact of the Oreshnik to a large meteor:

Putin compares Russia’s new missile to meteorite

The president has likened the strike power of the Oreshnik ballistic missile to that of a sizeable meteorite impact

www.rt.com

 

[Altair]

If that theory is correct, it is strange that Putin is making it easier to blame impacts on Russia by comparing the impact of the Oreshnik to a large meteor:

Putin compares Russia’s new missile to meteorite

The president has likened the strike power of the Oreshnik ballistic missile to that of a sizeable meteorite impact

www.rt.com

I think it's quite natural to compare something moving from the sky at 3 km/s with a meteorite because it's simply the closest (and probably the only one) analogy known to modern humans.

 

[axj]

I think it's quite natural to compare something moving from the sky at 3 km/s with a meteorite because it's simply the closest (and probably the only one) analogy known to modern humans.

Yes, and making that comparison can also potentially make it easier to debunk "blaming the Russians" for meteor impacts by pointing out that what looks like a hypersonic missile hit can be a natural phenomenon as well.