Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

[Ian]

1a): This was reported by different Russian Telegram channels and also by Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (which made a report in Russian, but the Telegram channels translated it): "According to information received by the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, NATO is increasingly inclined to freeze the Ukrainian conflict in order to restore the combat capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for an attempt at revenge.
NATO is already deploying training centers in Ukraine, where it is planned to train at least a million mobilized Ukrainians, and is also actively working with Western military-industrial companies, demanding investments and the sending of specialists and equipment to Ukraine.
The West will solve these problems under the guise of deploying a "peacekeeping contingent" in the country. In essence, Ukraine will be occupied: its northern regions, including the capital region, will become a zone of Great Britain, the center and east of the country - Germany, the western regions - Poland, and the Black Sea coast - Romania. In total, it is planned to introduce 100 thousand "peacekeepers" to Ukraine"

1a): MSN

1b): (1a: NATO is already deploying training centers in Ukraine, where it is planned to train at least a million mobilized Ukrainians) This is probably related to the idea of changing the mobilization age from 25 to 18.

1b): MSN

1c): (1a: NATO is increasingly inclined to freeze the Ukrainian conflict in order to restore the combat capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for an attempt at revenge.) I think this relates to Keith Kellogg's (the retired lieutenant general nominated by Donald Trump as special Ukrainian peace envoy) "peace plan".

1c): MSN
1c): Kellogg's ideas for how to achieve peace: America First, Russia, & Ukraine

 

[axj]

So let's say: 1 missile with 36 "warheads" i.e. 36 pyramidal-shaped pieces of metal (tungsten) weighing, let's say, 100kgs each, for a total of 3.6 tons payload. Distance to target 800kms. 100kgs hitting the ground at 3200m/s = approx. 500megajoules of energy on impact. A US-made 900kg bomb (often used by Israelis in Gaza and Lebanon this year to level apartment blocks) produces approx. 200megajoules of energy on impact.

So a 100kg Oreshnik projectile hitting the ground produces approx. 2.5 times the energetic force of one MK84 1 ton bomb.

36 x 100kg Oreshnik projectiles therefore = the destructive power of almost 80 MK84 bombs. That's about twice the maximum payload of a B-52 bomber.

To convert into megatons of TNT (the nuclear explosions measurement), 500 megajoules = 0.12 megatons of TNT (or 120 kilotons).

36 projectiles like that would be over 4 megatons of TNT. If that is correct, that is about the same or more explosive power than most nuclear weapons that are in use today.

4 megatons with just one Oreshnik does seem a bit too much or maybe I am underestimating the kinetic power of a large mass at these speeds.

For comparison, the Hiroshima bomb was 15 kilotons of TNT or 0.015 megatons. The largest nuclear bomb ever had 50 megatons of TNT.

 

[Nević Nenad]

1a): This was reported by different Russian Telegram channels and also by Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (which made a report in Russian, but the Telegram channels translated it): "According to information received by the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, NATO is increasingly inclined to freeze the Ukrainian conflict in order to restore the combat capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for an attempt at revenge.
NATO is already deploying training centers in Ukraine, where it is planned to train at least a million mobilized Ukrainians, and is also actively working with Western military-industrial companies, demanding investments and the sending of specialists and equipment to Ukraine.
The West will solve these problems under the guise of deploying a "peacekeeping contingent" in the country. In essence, Ukraine will be occupied: its northern regions, including the capital region, will become a zone of Great Britain, the center and east of the country - Germany, the western regions - Poland, and the Black Sea coast - Romania. In total, it is planned to introduce 100 thousand "peacekeepers" to Ukraine"

1a): MSN

1b): (1a: NATO is already deploying training centers in Ukraine, where it is planned to train at least a million mobilized Ukrainians) This is probably related to the idea of changing the mobilization age from 25 to 18.

1b): MSN

1c): (1a: NATO is increasingly inclined to freeze the Ukrainian conflict in order to restore the combat capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for an attempt at revenge.) I think this relates to Keith Kellogg's (the retired lieutenant general nominated by Donald Trump as special Ukrainian peace envoy) "peace plan".

1c): MSN
1c): Kellogg's ideas for how to achieve peace: America First, Russia, & Ukraine

Monkey see, monkey doo. Its amazing that they didn't invent anything new since WW2. That "strategy" is also used in former Yugoslavia, to prolong the war as much as posible. And the best thing in their wishful thinking is that Russia will buy all of that

 

[Corvus]

Monkey see, monkey doo. Its amazing that they didn't invent anything new since WW2. That "strategy" is also used in former Yugoslavia, to prolong the war as much as posible. And the best thing in their wishful thinking is that Russia will buy all of that

Russia will keep pushing and colappsing the front until the terms will be in her favor, which will be also doing a world favor, and they think some 100 000 soldiers are going to stop Russia, when Oreshniks start to fall and there is logistics problems they will maybe change their mind. And they probably forgot that they scammed them already with Minsk accords and Putin never forgets. They have zero trust so they will not be able to get it in their terms. Russian demand will be for neonazis to go, and neutrality and buffer zone is must be, which means more pro russian politicians and all that western clique politicians and Zelensky must go. They now have devil at the throat and that is why devil wants to bargain, but in those situations you have to finish him and they know it well, just western politicians are delusional and like said in Cs session mad.

 

[Ian]

Monkey see, monkey doo. Its amazing that they didn't invent anything new since WW2. That "strategy" is also used in former Yugoslavia, to prolong the war as much as posible. And the best thing in their wishful thinking is that Russia will buy all of that

I just don’t get why do they think they can achieve peace, demanding their own terms through threats. Freezing the conflict doesn’t mean ending the war. Puting 100k soldiers in Ukraine doesn’t mean ending the war. Making threats to BRICS will not scare Putin and it doesn’t mean peace. Russia will not allow the sick interests of the West to be implemented and will not allow itself to be threatened. I don't know who they are to think that they can threaten and set conditions while they are in this position where they simply have no right to speak as far as I am concerned. And I think that the Russians are aware of this and that there is no more concession on their part. Given this, I think that peace will not be achieved and I honestly think that we are at a point of no return.

 

[Ian]

I just don’t get why do they think they can achieve peace, demanding their own terms through threats. Freezing the conflict doesn’t mean ending the war. Puting 100k soldiers in Ukraine doesn’t mean ending the war. Making threats to BRICS will not scare Putin and it doesn’t mean peace. Russia will not allow the sick interests of the West to be implemented and will not allow itself to be threatened. I don't know who they are to think that they can threaten and set conditions while they are in this position where they simply have no right to speak as far as I am concerned. And I think that the Russians are aware of this and that there is no more concession on their part. Given this, I think that peace will not be achieved and I honestly think that we are at a point of no return.

Worth reading analysis by Katehon think thank on this situation:

Trump, Ukraine, And Russia

President-Elect Trump is expected to prioritization a resolution to the NATO-Russian proxy war in Ukraine upon re-entering the White House, provided of course that the West Asian wars don’t spiral out of control by then and naturally distract him fro

katehon.com

 

[Corvus]

I just don’t get why do they think they can achieve peace, demanding their own terms through threats. Freezing the conflict doesn’t mean ending the war. Puting 100k soldiers in Ukraine doesn’t mean ending the war. Making threats to BRICS will not scare Putin and it doesn’t mean peace. Russia will not allow the sick interests of the West to be implemented and will not allow itself to be threatened. I don't know who they are to think that they can threaten and set conditions while they are in this position where they simply have no right to speak as far as I am concerned. And I think that the Russians are aware of this and that there is no more concession on their part. Given this, I think that peace will not be achieved and I honestly think that we are at a point of no return.

Because they live in their own reality, wishful thinking, thinking they are all still bosses to whole world and have hard time accepting the new reality, so they continue with same old tactics, that is they do not know for anything else then force and only force, threats and backstabing, no creativity, puting oil on fire, watching the whole world burn before accepting defeat if there is no higher power keeping you in check. It all works when you are in better positions militarly, but when you are not and other side has knowledge about your modus operandi then you seem ridicoulus and mad for whole world to see you without your mask.